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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Hagen Engelmann on September 02, 2011, 06:49:28 PM
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Crocus banaticus is blooming now. There is no better time to become a croconut. This is a real fantastic plant. The white one is a seedling, born here in our garden. But I`m a galanthophile, what should I do?? ;)
Crocus banaticus albus
Crocus banaticus
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Crocus banaticus is blooming now. There is no better time to become a croconut. This is a real fantastic plant. The white one is a seedling, born here in our garden. But I`m a galanthophile, what should I do?? ;)
Crocus banaticus albus
Crocus banaticus
Beautiful Hagen, you should just lie back and enjoy it, and do you know most of the Crocuses actually look different ;D
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Crocus banaticus is blooming now. There is no better time to become a croconut. This is a real fantastic plant. The white one is a seedling, born here in our garden. But I`m a galanthophile, what should I do?? ;)
Crocus banaticus albus
Crocus banaticus
Very good white!!!
Janis
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Yes David, but not all look white ;).
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Janis, I hope another white will start to bloom tomorrow.
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Janis, I hope another white will start to bloom tomorrow.
Really it is very early comparing with my observations. Here banaticus blooms much later. With me now in flowers are last scharojanii flavus, the first speciosus from Crimea, some suworovianus, cappadocicus and a pair of cancellatus, but several buds of others are coming out, too. Mass blooming still didn't start.
Janis
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Here is the second white seedling of Crocus banaticus. He has very long tips.
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Crocus banaticus is blooming now. There is no better time to become a croconut. This is a real fantastic plant. The white one is a seedling, born here in our garden. But I`m a galanthophile, what should I do?? ;)
Hagen, you could be a galanthophile in spring and a croconut in the autumn, so no problem ;D
Lovely white banaticus!
Poul
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Flowering here today:
Crocus kotschyanus suworowianus
My banaticus will follow in a week.
Poul
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Nice flowers from Poul and Hagen,
here my first blue Crocus for this autumn:
Cr.kotschyanus ssp.cappadocius
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It's started in Germany and Denmark, nothing showing here yet.
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A very beautiful pure white seedling from Crocus nudiflorus 'Orla' opened today... we admired it before we went to work at the radio station .... when we came home and went to see it again after lunch.... it had been felled like a little tree by some hungry mollusc. >:( >:( >:( >:(
We have one C. banaticus open in the "hot bed" under the kitchen window .... some other crocus are spreading September delight...... bless them!
I imagine they'll be hitting the Bulb Log pages soon. ;)
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A very beautiful pure white seedling from Crocus nudiflorus 'Orla' opened today... we admired it before we went to work at the radio station .... when we came home and went to see it again after lunch.... it had been felled like a little tree by some hungry mollusc. >:( >:( >:( >:(
We have one C. banaticus open in the "hot bed" under the kitchen window .... some other crocus are spreading September delight...... bless them!
I imagine they'll be hitting the Bulb Log pages soon. ;)
It's all right for you folks in the Banana Belt ;D
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Dirk, it`s a proud striped autumn flower.
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Few crocuses of today.
Janis
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Great to see the Crocus season getting started again !! :D
Crocus tournefortii is the first to open in my garden ! :D
A generous present from our Chief Croconut a few years ago !! :D :D
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Great to see the Crocus season getting started again !! :D
Crocus tournefortii is the first to open in my garden ! :D
A generous present from our Chief Croconut a few years ago !! :D :D
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What a lovely present Luc.
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Nice Cr.tournefortii Luc,
here come also the autumn with great steps
Cr.boryi
'' hadriaticus ssp.hadriaticus f.lilacinus
'' karduchorum, true form from SE-Turkey
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and more,
Cr.pallasii ssp.pallasii, S-Turkey
'' speciosus ssp.speciosus from Abant Lake
'' vallicola, NE-Turkey
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Crocus season.... what bliss! 8)
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Still waiting for my first one of the season.
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It's happening here in the garden. Just a little wait for the potted crocus which have only just been repotted and await the first soaking.
Crocus kotschyanus appeared suddenly, almost overnight.
Crocus serotinus was pictured on yesterday ... today there are two flowers!
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Still in flower with me, CC. minimus, m. 'Bavella,' kosaninii, olivieri ssp balansae (seedlings from TH) ssp. balansae 'Chocolate Soldier,' and a few late chrysanthus vars, as well as late vernus forms including 'Yalta' and 'Vanguard.' All are nearly done except 'Bavella' which is about at its peak right now. Taken at different times of the day.
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Dirk,
love the C. hadriaticus ssp.hadriaticus f.lilacinus and the C vallicola! Beautiful.
Tony,
Crocus serotinus is wonderful.
Lesley,
those clumps are :o :o
Here, Crocus kotschyanus is the only one in flower for the moment.
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Yes Maggi, it`s a bliss only a few days before the autumn galanthus.
Thank you Luc, Udo, Tony, Wim for the wonderful gallery.
I have to settle for some Crocus banaticus.
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Yes Maggi, it`s a bliss only a few days before the autumn galanthus.
;D
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It is very exciting to see autumn season is fully started 8) 8)
Very nice crocuses from evreybody!
Dirk,
I have doubt with your pallasii! I lokks to me more pallasii dispathaceus with pale style!. Where I have seen pallasii locations they were all with red style!
ibrahim
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Great crocuses everyone!
By the way I thought C. abantensis was a spring flowering crocus but apparently I am wrong
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Still waiting for my first one of the season.
...... and here it is. Crocus pulchellus 'Inspiration' eleven days earlier than last year.
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some new Crocus today,
Cr.cancellatus ssp.mazziaricus from Parnass in Greece and
possible a native cross between Cr.boryi and tournefortii, the flower more like tournefortii,
the corm like boryi
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Great crocuses everyone!
By the way I thought C. abantensis was a spring flowering crocus but apparently I am wrong
Crocus abantensis is spring flowering crocus!
Janis
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some new Crocus today,
Cr.cancellatus ssp.mazziaricus from Parnass in Greece and
possible a native cross between Cr.boryi and tournefortii, the flower more like tournefortii,
the corm like boryi
A very nice one Dirk !!
Still waiting for my first one of the season.
...... and here it is. Crocus pulchellus 'Inspiration' eleven days earlier than last year.
Well worth the wait David !!
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Thanks Luc
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Could someone confirm (or deny) please, that the crocus below is C. cancellatus ssp mazziaricus. I've had it as this for many years, from a UK nursery I think but someone questioned it recently. This picture was taken in the southern autumn. Sorry you can't see the outside but you can tell it is striped. The outside background is white or slightly creamy white.
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Some more from today:-
Crocus kotschyanus-this one an escape from Tony Willis' plunge which he kindly sent to me in 2008.
Crocus speciosus-seed grown, sown August 2007 and more to come in this pot
Crocus speciosus xantholaimos
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Sorry for the delay, Lesley: From the flowers seen on the photo your plant could be C. mazziaricus. To be sure you have to look below soil level - mazziaricus has strong netted corm tunics.
David, great photos. The second flower (speciosus) with the white anthers is obviously hybridised with Crocus pulchellus - speciosus has yellow anthers.
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David, great photos. The second flower (speciosus) with the white anthers is obviously hybridised with Crocus pulchellus - speciosus has yellow anthers.
Or it could be just pure pulchellus, Thomas? I can't see much speciosus influence in the flower. David, are you sure the seed was from speciosus and not from pulchellus?
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It looks like pulchellus to me too - or a very near hybrid.
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You're right Martin looks more like pulchellus,
but I thought that David would be sure that at lease speciosus was one parent ..... :-\
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I too think it is pulchellus,they seed around in my plunge and look just like that of David's.
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You're right Martin looks more like pulchellus,
but I thought that David would be sure that at lease speciosus was one parent ..... :-\
That's what I thought at first, but mistakes are easily made with seed.
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You're right Martin looks more like pulchellus,
but I thought that David would be sure that at lease speciosus was one parent ..... :-\
That's what I thought at first, but mistakes are easily made with seed.
Seed was from 06/07 SRGC Exchange, I didn't record the number, and labelled speciosus. Pulchellus it will be henceforth, it will be interesting to see if all the others are pulchellus when they come up. Thanks for your help folks.
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The bud coming up to the right of the flower in your pic also looks like it'll be pulchellus, so it looks like someone mistook a pulchellus seed pod for a speciosus pod.
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.....so it is sure that the seed wasn't of Dutch origin:
In Holland you always get speciosus when you buy pulchellus ;D
I have tried that several times and always failed :'(
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In Holland you always get speciosus when you buy pulchellus ;D
Isn't that the other way around as what David got, Thomas? ;) ;) Have you ever tried buying speciosus to get pulchellus ??? ::)
Flowering here now: Crocus goulimyi
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Could someone confirm (or deny) please, that the crocus below is C. cancellatus ssp mazziaricus. I've had it as this for many years, from a UK nursery I think but someone questioned it recently. This picture was taken in the southern autumn. Sorry you can't see the outside but you can tell it is striped. The outside background is white or slightly creamy white.
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OK - since no-one else wants to chance an answer :-\ I think it is most likely correct. C cancellatus ssp mazziaricus is quite variable ... very variable in cultivation at least. I have grown similar looking plants under that name. Fine botanical details might confirm or refute this!
edit: sorry Thomas, missed your reply - at least we seem to agree!
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Thank you Tony and Thomas. I shall lift them soon to pot as I have a major plan in mind so will be able to check then, on the corm tunic. I also have to lift large clumps from a raised bed of CC nudiflorus, pulchellus, speciosus, salzmannii and goulimyi. Way out of flower now but thank goodness the foliage of each one is different and distinctive.
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Two pots of Crocus banaticus seedlings with some variations.
One of my favorites: Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus
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a good weekend for Crocus,
Cr.nudiflorus
pulchellus
speciosus ssp.speciosus x pulchellus
thomasii
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and more:
Cr.niveus
cancellatus ssp.cancellatus 2x
serotinus ssp.salzmannii
and boryi
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Can you comment on your plan, Lesley?
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I was really pleased to spot this Crocus speciosus flower. It was planted at the same time as the heather bed but gradually became overgrown and disappeared as the heathers expanded. It is many years since I saw a flower or even a leaf but the heathers around it have died off leaving a gap. It is amazing that the crocus has survived so long. I do not know if it is a named cultivar. It came from the Cruickshank Garden and I don't remember it ever having a label.
Also flowering in my garden Crocus pulchellus which is making a takeover bid for the whole garden
And in a pot Crocus kotschyanus
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Roma, that lovely speciosus looks a bit like one we got from Alistair McKelvie. I'll see if I can find a picture.... or ask the BD if he can find one, to compare.
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a good weekend for Crocus,
I can't say the same here. It is bad weather with rain and strong wind, destroying many flowers >:(
Then it is good to enjoy all your fine crocus :)
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Wim, C goulimyi have always only a short life here, so I have my pleasure with your pics.
Poul, C banaticus stand here outside for a long time. No problem since 30 years.
Dirk, C niveus ist einfach nur schön.
Roma, your C speciosus is very unusual and looks very proudly.
Here is my starter in the pot culture: Crocus mathewii
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Wim, C goulimyi have always only a short life here, so I have my pleasure with your pics.
Here is my starter in the pot culture: Crocus mathewii
Very nice C. mathewii, mine's not out yet.
I've included a couple more pics of C. goulimyi for you, Hagen. I received two bulbs a couple of years ago from Tony (I think) and they've been multiplying okay, replanted them this year and there were 5 bulbs.
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I'm still alive but too busy in nursery even for checking of Forum pages. Replanting, replanting.... Fortunately ( ;D) got some flu and now second day I'm passing in bed and so few pictures from this autumn.
As usually the first to bloom was scharojanii flavus - here the last flower pictured a pair of days ago.
Next was Crimean speciosus - allways the earliest and with narrower segments than Turkish and Iranian samples.
Almost in same time started crocus pallasii from Crim and some of Crocus cancellatus samples.
In general flowering starts slowly but earlier than usually. Still not mass blooming started.
Janis
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I'm sorry to hear you are unwell, Janis :-* .... but it is lucky for us that this gives you time to send us your pictures :)
Crocus outside here are taking battering from the weather.... some brave strong individuals manage to open in a blink of sun. Brave little flowers!
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Few more pictures maid in last days
Crocus speciosus from Turkey with much wider flower segments
Crocus karduchorum - hope true regardless of creamy stigma, it easy hybridizes with kotschyanus
Still doubtfull about my C. hakkariensis stocks - those I got from Dirk and as you can see - all are something different by style. It easy hybridizes, too. And all are with nude throat (according B. Mathew throat must be hairy, but all my stocks has nude throat). Still not bloomed plants got from Jim Archibald.
Two hybrids
kotschyanus x ochroleucus - quite close to kotschyanus
and very nice between
Crocus speciosus ilgazensis and pulchellus - grown from open pollinated seeds of ilgazensis
Crocus suworowianus - two marginal forms - lilacinus got from Czech collector - may be hybrid with kotschyanus, although I collected similar one in wild, too
and one of best - with very prominently striped flower segments (pictured a little too late - was in hospital when it started blooming)
and as last in this entry - Crocus hadriaticus from Mnt. Parnassos in Greece
and cancellatus damascenus from Kubbe gec. near Malatya
Janis
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I'm sorry to hear you are unwell, Janis :-* .... but it is lucky for us that this gives you time to send us your pictures :)
Crocus outside here are taking battering from the weather.... some brave strong individuals manage to open in a blink of sun. Brave little flowers!
Thank you Maggi! I even forgot that I have crocuses outside, too. Must to check the beds after recovering.
Janis
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Some more crocuses
Several forms of crocus cancellatus - those from Kubbe gec should be damascenus
Crocus gilanicus and its hybrid with autranii - only slightly lighter than pure autranii
The earliest of Crocus boryi comes from Erich Pasche
and as last in this entry - laevigatus from S of Tripoli
Janis
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Just started to flower various C. mathewii - here 2 earliest flowers and in other pictures variability of
Crocus pallasii pallasii in Crimea
Janis
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Congratulations to all for the marvelous croci flowers!
My first autuum crocus in the garden is C. kotschyanus ssp. kotschyanus HKEP 9027 from Erich Pasche.
Compared to the ordinary form it has a larger flower with pinkish teint.
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A few here starting to flower.
Crocus speciosus oxonian x 2
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus pulchellus white.
Crocus kotschyanus,from crocus club seed.
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In this entry Crocus speciosus from various places and again hybrid between ilgazensis and pulchellu - note anthers, bright throat and bright color. I think it is very good.
You again can compare that Turkish speciosus has wider petals than Crimean samples.
Janis
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Oooh, fantastic series of pics. Why I can`t be a real croconut :(
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Last flowers of C. suworowianus (vallicola just starts blooming)
and variability in Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus
Janis
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Last pictures for today (I'm still in bed with flu)
Crocus hadrioaticus from Mnt. Parnassos and
from Jim Archibald
and Crocus serotinus salzmannii (stoloniferous form)
Janis
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Can you comment on your plan, Lesley?
Will do so privately Alberto, for now anyway.
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Flowering started Crocus speciosus cv. 'Artabir' - one of very few still grown by me
Still blooms Crocus autranii
Started flowering of Crocus grown under name Crocus kotschyanus hakkariensis SASA (Seisums, Stevens, Archibald) - but its throat is nude.
Janis
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Some Crocuses pictured today.
Janis
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The last crocuses from today
Janis
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Janis what a wonderful, colorful crocus world you show us.
Here are three different seedlings of C mathewii.
And I learned, seedling is not only a seedling. There are big differences.
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Here's my Crocus speciosus 'Alba'
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Hagen, very good mathewii seedlings! For me I would prefer the second one shape is very good with wide petals and large dark zone :o
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Janis what a wonderful, colorful crocus world you show us.
Here are three different seedlings of C mathewii.
And I learned, seedling is not only a seedling. There are big differences.
Very nice mathewii forms, Hagen.
Janis
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Thank you.
A happy group of Crocus banaticus is beginning to annex my garden.
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Great photos from everyone,
Good to see Crocoseoson has started, mine will need a few more weeks...
Janis your niveus Blue form photo is stunning!!!
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Hagen, nice Cr.banaticus,
here is a very sunny weekend, many new Crocus in flower:
Cr.asumaniae
cambessedesii
caspius
nerimaniae
medius from Cassego, Italy
kotschyanus ssp.kotschyanus var.leucopharynx
kotschyanus ssp.kotschyanus 'Albus'
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and more:
Cr.hadriaticus ssp.hadriaticus close and open
a selection with darker outside 2x
hadriaticus x sativus 'Cashmerianus' F2 Cross Mix
Selection from this with smaller blue flowers and
a white form with brown throat ( Autumn Sun )
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and two more:
Cr.mathewii, rose' form
cultivation from Crocus in my garden
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Some Crocus in my meadow.
Crocus kotschyanus
Crocus kotschyanus
Crocus goulimy -kotschyanus
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus boryi
Crocus hadriaticus
Crocus Cancellatus
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Wonderful Croci everywhere ! :D
Impossible to top your show......
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I love them all, the commonest and the rarest and in their pots they look cosy and secure but..... most of all I love them in the garden or especially in Franz's meadow.
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Thank you for showing us these crocus worlds of the world. And Dirk is not far from here......
At first I thought, there was a colchicum meadow in Vienna, but it is a crocus meadow now, and tomorrow....
The stigmata of C banaticus can look very different in color.
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Crocus ligusticus
From a collection by Peter Bird & Mike Salmon (BS376). Italy, Liguria, Carcare (above Savona, S of Cairo Montenotte).
This form does not increase vegetatively and all the seedlings from it were killed by the severe cold last winter.
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The stigmata of C banaticus can look very different in color.
I have a strange Crocus banaticus, which doesn't look healthy. Is it virused?
It could be a seedling flowering for the first time - I am not sure.
Poul
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Some crocus flowering today:
Crocus banaticus
Crocus nudiflorus
Crocus vallicola
Crocus serotinus salzmani erectophyllus
Crocus medius
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And some Crocus speciosus forms
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Phantastic Poul,
Three species in one pic - and good autumn light. And all outside
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Crocus ligusticus
From a collection by Peter Bird & Mike Salmon (BS376). Italy, Liguria, Carcare (above Savona, S of Cairo Montenotte).
This form does not increase vegetatively and all the seedlings from it were killed by the severe cold last winter.
Gerry that is a beauty!
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Hagen - a great picture ... and they do look so much better in the garden. I just need to bring mine under control before I begin mass planting
Poul - vallicola to die for!
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I have a strange Crocus banaticus, which doesn't look healthy. Is it virused?
It could be a seedling flowering for the first time - I am not sure.
Poul
I don't like the look of that flower. Could be virus. I would remove it.
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Sunshine brings out the crocuses ... and the camera!
Two subtly different forms of Crocus goulimyi ssp leucanthus seed raised from seed collected at the type locality in the millennium year.
Crocus gilanicus, small but perfectly formed.
Two generations of Crocus serotinus ssp salzmannii one sown in 1997 labelled 'ex VH cols' (could be Vic Horton) the other sown 10 years later is offspring of the 1997 sowing.
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Crocus tournefortii x boryi. This pot has a number of identical plants all appearing just like C boryi. I have another pot where some are more like C tournefortii.
Crocus nudiflorus. I have planted most of mine out now.
Crocus speciosus ssp ilgazensis. Smaller than ssp speciosus.
Crocus pulchellus, a wild form.
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Tony, that gilanicus is very elegant.
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Tony, that gilanicus is very elegant.
It is a wee cutie ...AND it comes easily from seed which is set readily most years. I even got a little last season when seed was in very short supply.
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Do you need different clones for seed? I got some from mine, but none came up so I wonder...
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You're right about seed set readily Tony. This is the pod now, as we speak, on the one and only flower I've had on a first corm of C. gilanicus. It's quite a large pod and hard and lumpy so I'm sure there's seed in it. Would you like it Martin when it ripens? (Your parcel has just arrived :D) I have some other seedlings, from Thomas I think but not flowered yet. Fat pods also on Cory. malkensis. This should be on the "I'm so happy" thread." ;D
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Forgot to attach the picture and it won't accept it as a "modify." so I'll put it here and hope for the best.
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Crocus tournefortii x boryi. This pot has a number of identical plants all appearing just like C boryi. I have another pot where some are more like C tournefortii......
Tony - have you raised seedlings from your supposed hybrid? I had a plant which I tentatively identified as the hybrid. All the seedlings from it are morphologically indistinguishable from boryi (& flower early) apart from one which looks like an odd, very colourful, tournefortii. This is later flowering. I'll post a pic when it appears.
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Gerry - Yes and like you they seem pure boryi. I guess the original cross (not my own seed) failed. ie the seed was always boryi ... But it is more vigirous than most of the boryi I have grown which suggests possible hybridity.
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Lesley, glad the package arrived okay. Enjoy! Probably best if you sow the seed yourself as a back-up in case of disaster with the seedlings from Thomas - sod's law dictates that as soon as you mail off the seed, your seedlings will rot off or be eaten by something nasty. Thanks for the offer, and let me know if you have more seed to spare in the future once you have more stock yourself.
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Lovely crocuses everyone
Crocus nerimaniae from a generous friend ;)
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Crocus laevigatus
From JJA seed (347.422). Ex a collection by P & P Watt: Crete, Kedros 1100m.
The whole effort is 3cm high.
This is the sole survivor of a 2006 sowing
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Crocus nerimaniae from a generous friend ;)
Very beautiful Ian.
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Nice Crocus laevigatus Gerry,
here also some Crocus in flower today:
Cr.longiflorus, Nebrodi Range, Sicilia
hadriaticus x sativus'Cashmerianus' F1 Cross
`` `` F2 ``
caspius, rose form from Rodsar, N-Iran
`` , seedlings AGS
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Lovely crocuses everyone
Crocus nerimaniae from a generous friend ;)
Ooh - I must have the wrong friends :D :D
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Some very nice crocus being shown.I am not having a good autumn but here are a few in flower now
Crocus hadriaticus ,strange colour,grown from seed collected on Mt Parnassus.
Crocus asumaniae
Crocus pulchellus two seperate collections
Crocus nerimaniae
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Some very nice crocus being shown.I am not having a good autumn but here are a few in flower now
Also not too good here. Flowering is very erratic (though oddly enough C. niveus is better than it's ever been). I don't know whether this is a consequence of last winter's cold or the miserable summer.
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Crocus laevigatus in flower today
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Some very nice crocus being shown.I am not having a good autumn but here are a few in flower now
Also not too good here. Flowering is very erratic (though oddly enough C. niveus is better than it's ever been). I don't know whether this is a consequence of last winter's cold or the miserable summer.
Here is the same - blooming order very unusual and not so mass blooming than usually. Weather seem to be good, but size of some flowers smaller than usually. Niveus very good - same as with you.
Janis
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Very nice Crocusses, everyone!
Here in flower now:
Crocus speciosus 'Oxonian' (2x)
Crocus speciosus 'Artabir' (2x)
and Crocus banaticus (2x)
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Variations in Crocus banaticus seedlings
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First it was too cold, now it's too hot so a few pics whilst they last.
Crocus goulimyi 'Mani White' kindly sent to me by Gerry, and more to bloom from this pot.
Crocus goulimyi seedlings from a sowing made in August 2007 from SRGC Seed Ex.
Another one from Gerry, which he labels as C. tournifortii possibly crossed with laevigatus Form B.
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Well done Mr N. ! :D
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Only some new flowers, it is to hot. ( 28°C today)
Cr.gilanicus, very small and pale
medius 'Millesimo'
kotschyanus ssp.kotschyanus var. leucapharynx, darker form
oreocreticus
serotinus ssp.salzmannii, stoloniferae form
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The meadow is full surprises.
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Today I discovered these two self seedlings in my meadow. I think, they love themselves.
Crocus goulimyi
Colchicum cupanii
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A superb duo Franz !!! :o :o