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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: Yann on January 05, 2019, 06:13:25 PM
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New year new flowers ;)
Narcissus albidus SF.110 x Atlas Gold
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This is my pot of Narcissus romieuxii which always comes into flower around Christmas. It's never been all that floriferous, with maybe 1-3 flowers in the whole pot of some 20+ bulbs by now, but last year I tried the suggestion of giving the dormant pot a really good baking, close up under the glass in full sun, and it's done far better now for that!
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I'm finding that my hoops are flowering exceptionally well this year too - thank you to last year's hot summer!
We have a feast of beautiful hoop petticoat daffs out at present.
Three interesting species :
N. cantabricus cantabricus
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N. romanensis ( syn N. x romanensis, N. x barrae, N. x neocarpetanus). N. romanensis is a fertile hybrid of N. bulbocodium and N. cantabricus.
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Narcissus romieuxii ssp albidus var zaianicus M168
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Several clones of our various Moon series hoops are looking spectacular :
Unnamed Moon Group clone S
Callisto
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Elara
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Tethys
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Themisto
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“2802 Narcissus bulbocodium pallidus ex SBL 237” from SRGC 2014-2015 Seed Exchange list is just coming into its first flowering season.
Thank you very much for the seed donner and all members of the Seed Team :)
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New year new flowers ;)
Narcissus albidus SF.110 x Atlas Gold
A nice hybrid hoop, Yann ;)
This is my pot of Narcissus romieuxii which always comes into flower around Christmas. It's never been all that floriferous, with maybe 1-3 flowers in the whole pot of some 20+ bulbs by now, but last year I tried the suggestion of giving the dormant pot a really good baking, close up under the glass in full sun, and it's done far better now for that!
I'll try baking to my some shy flowering hoop daffs this year. Thanks, Rob-Rah :)
I'm finding that my hoops are flowering exceptionally well this year too - thank you to last year's hot summer!
We have a feast of beautiful hoop petticoat daffs out at present.
Wonderful, Anne :o 8)
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Nice pots Tatsuo and Anne. I'm impressed by how many flowers per pot you have !
Neverthless, can I ask how sure you are about the traceability of your bulbs ?
Anne, your N. romanensis looks very white and so closed to N. cantabricus. Pictures of this hybrid by Rafa ( https://daffnet.org/2016/02/some-narcissus-from-toledo-spain/ (https://daffnet.org/2016/02/some-narcissus-from-toledo-spain/) ) show some pale yellow flowers. I don't even know how to differenciate some bulbocodium graellsi from romanensis except than one should make some big population and the other should be isolate close to at least one parent ?
Tatuso : is it not a Narcissus romieuxii ? Or maybe pallidus is an hybrid between romieuxii and a moroccan bulbocodium subspecies ? Pictures of this variety by Ian (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/200304/log.html (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/200304/log.html)) don't show such a petunoides form. Finally, googling with SBL237, I found some reference from Monocots nursery labelling SBL237 as Narcissus romieuxii ssp. romieuxii var pallidus : http://dafflibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/Monocot-Nursery-2003.pdf (http://dafflibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/Monocot-Nursery-2003.pdf)
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Nice pots Tatsuo and Anne. I'm impressed by how many flowers per pot you have !
Tatuso : is it not a Narcissus romieuxii ? Or maybe pallidus is an hybrid between romieuxii and a moroccan bulbocodium subspecies ? Pictures of this variety by Ian (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/200304/log.html (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/200304/log.html)) don't show such a petunoides form. Finally, googling with SBL237, I found some reference from Monocots nursery labelling SBL237 as Narcissus romieuxii ssp. romieuxii var pallidus : http://dafflibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/Monocot-Nursery-2003.pdf (http://dafflibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/Monocot-Nursery-2003.pdf)
Thank you, Kabara :) and a good question. Mine has very nice N. romiexii scent so it's a N. romieuxii or a romieuxii hybrid with other hoop daff species.
Yes, Narcissus bulbocodium f. pallidus has now been recognised as a synonym of Narcissus romieuxii subsp. albidus by The Plant List. But I usually use the name on the label when I received. I think it's the simplest way to avoid confusing between the other SRGC members who got the same seeds from 2014-2015 SeedEx.
Narcissus bulbocodium f. pallidus Gattef. & Weiller (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-310902)
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-310902 (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-310902)
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But I usually use the name on the label when I received. I think it's the simplest way to avoid confusing between the other SRGC members who got the same seeds from 2014-2015 SeedEx.
Yes, it's a good thing to track and give the name and the origin of your plants. Your pictures are also used as a reference for all the people like me who doesn't have such a collection and I was just surprised of such a petunoide shape for a bulbocodium.
There's so much confusion about the names of Narcissus, so much names which are synonym or have very few taxonomical value ! I try to have a basic collection of the different species;, starting with the most different one to have a good sample of the genus and then refine it. Every time I see a new name, I say to myself : what is it ? is it a new species ? is it different from the one I have or just a subspecies or a color variant ? I'm spending lot of time to compare different pictures, trying to find the differences, reading old descriptions... but I'm still often lost ! And I'm a bit lost with your daffodil !
For example, even if it was label "Narcissus bulbocodium pallidus" it was also "ex-SBL237" and this reference was released as Narcissus romieuxii ssp. romieuxii var pallidus (which may have been synonymized in th SRGC index as Narcissus bulbocodium pallidus ?!) by Monocots nursery in 2003 and then by Kurt Vickery. But this name is only used by M. Salmon, it's even not listed in the Botanical names in the genus Narcissus of RHS (https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/pdfs/plant-registration-forms/daffalpha.pdf (https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/pdfs/plant-registration-forms/daffalpha.pdf)).
Using the synonym recognised by the plantlist Narcissus bulbocodium f. pallidus = Narcissus romieuxii subsp. albidus
Archibald also released the species N. bulbocodium var pallidus JJA 696.600 (You grow it :)) and, in the description of the plant in August 2001, he said that this has been named N jacquemoudii by Fernandez-Casas. Now, the Plantlist recognise N. jacquemoudii as Narcissus romieuxii subsp. jacquemoudii. So using the synonym used by Archibald and the Plant List, N. bulbocodium var pallidus =Narcissus romieuxii subsp. jacquemoudii !
Using synonyms, you think to walk on a circle but you don't come back at the same place ....
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Anne, that photo of N. cantabricus cantabricus is probably one of the most beautiful pots I've seen...love how full and elegant it looks.
Thank you for sharing, all these petticoat are exquisite! ::)
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Using synonyms, you think to walk on a circle but you don't come back at the same place ....
;D ;D ;D ::)
Thank you again for the information, Karaba :)
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Some daffodils today :)
Narcissus papyraceus, M.S.427, Spain, Antequera.
Narcissus romieuxii ‘春の光 (haru-no-hikari)’
(N. rom. var. mesatlanticus x N. rom. subsp. albidus var. zaianicus)
A deeper yellow selection from seedlings.
Narcissus romieuxii, A.B.S.4384, Morocco, Ain Leuh.
A variation of seedlings from a single seed pod by self-pollinating.
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Nice pots Tatsuo and Anne. I'm impressed by how many flowers per pot you have !
Neverthless, can I ask how sure you are about the traceability of your bulbs ?
Anne, your N. romanensis looks very white and so closed to N. cantabricus. Pictures of this hybrid by Rafa ( https://daffnet.org/2016/02/some-narcissus-from-toledo-spain/ (https://daffnet.org/2016/02/some-narcissus-from-toledo-spain/) ) show some pale yellow flowers. I don't even know how to differenciate some bulbocodium graellsi from romanensis except than one should make some big population and the other should be isolate close to at least one parent ?
Tatuso : is it not a Narcissus romieuxii ? Or maybe pallidus is an hybrid between romieuxii and a moroccan bulbocodium subspecies ? Pictures of this variety by Ian (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/200304/log.html (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2004/200304/log.html)) don't show such a petunoides form. Finally, googling with SBL237, I found some reference from Monocots nursery labelling SBL237 as Narcissus romieuxii ssp. romieuxii var pallidus : http://dafflibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/Monocot-Nursery-2003.pdf (http://dafflibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/Monocot-Nursery-2003.pdf)
Karaba - you are right, I would not be expert enough to identify these myself. These came from seed of romanensis from Rafa himself.
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Some daffodils today :)
Narcissus papyraceus, M.S.427, Spain, Antequera.
Narcissus romieuxii ‘春の光 (haru-no-hikari)’
(N. rom. var. mesatlanticus x N. rom. subsp. albidus var. zaianicus)
A deeper yellow selection from seedlings.
Narcissus romieuxii, A.B.S.4384, Morocco, Ain Leuh.
A variation of seedlings from a single seed pod by self-pollinating.
Tatsuo - these look fabulous!
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If it works, I have just updated my website gallery with up to date images of Galanthus and Narcissus cultivars and species. I hope it will be a useful resource for everyone. Find it here:
https://www.dryad-home.co.uk/gallery (https://www.dryad-home.co.uk/gallery)
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If it works, I have just updated my website gallery with up to date images of Galanthus and Narcissus cultivars and species. I hope it will be a useful resource for everyone. Find it here:
https://www.dryad-home.co.uk/gallery (https://www.dryad-home.co.uk/gallery)
A delight just to look at the photos, Anne, especially when enlarged to full size - and indeed a most useful resource - thank you!
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Narcissus romieuxii
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Narcissus 'Craigton Clumper’ 8) 8) 8)
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Showing why it got its name! Grown to perfection by Tatsuo!
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WOW! I might have to send all my daffs over to Tatsuo to grow for me! ;D ;D ;D
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Showing why it got its name!
Yes, Maggi :) It's a vigorous and quick increaser at here.
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WOW! I might have to send all my daffs over to Tatsuo to grow for me! ;D ;D ;D
Your gorgeous daffs are always welcome, Anne ;D
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we're jealous Tatsuo :)
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we're jealous Tatsuo :)
Why don't you move to Japan, Yann ;)
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Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides x N. romieuxii
A pair of my original seedlings 8) ... and the flat corona one is my favorite :)
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:o :o Stunning!
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Thanks, Anne :)
2 more sister seedlings are coming into flower now.
The flattest seedling in my previous post is now over 5cm :o
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The flattest seedling in my previous post is now over 5cm :o
It is SOOO pretty!
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Thanks, Maggi :) I'd like to name it if increases well.
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Narcissus cantabricus subsp. monophyllus S.B.L.545 x S.F.389
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so nice!!
Narcissus cantabricus subsp. cantabricus , from Rafa's seeds
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Narcissus cantabricus ‘Clusii’ x N. cantabricus var. petunioides
The seedlings started to open their first flowers. One of them has very flat “petunioides” like flowers :)
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Lovely cantabricus!
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Narcissus Galantoquilla. It's raiser, Brian Duncan, calls it his 'snowdrop daffodil', similar in habit, size and flowering time to snowdrops.
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Narcissus 'Fringella group', a nice little one from Anne
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I like it too!
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Narcissus cantabricus in my frontyard ;D I try to acclimate it but I have only one flower this year.
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At LAST! Bring on the trumpets!! My favourite time of year :D :D :D
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At LAST! Bring on the trumpets!! My favourite time of year :D :D :D
:o :o :D
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Narcissus ‘Themisto’ :)
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Narcissus ‘Cyllene’
Narcissus ‘Callisto’
So cute hybrid daffs :) Thank you, annew :-*
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I am definitely sending my entire collection over to Tatsuo to grow - they look so much better in Japan!
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I am definitely sending my entire collection over to Tatsuo to grow - they look so much better in Japan!
Dryad Nursery @JP ;D ;D ;D
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Narcissus ‘Themisto’ in full bloom 8)
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Dryad Nursery @JP ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Working flat out trying to record seedlings at present - they are coming into flower so quickly with the warm weather. I have taken hundreds of photos, but they will have to be processed when I get more computer time.
Meanwhile a sneak preview of some favourites.
My own favourite seedling - Little Dryad
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A superb form of N. cantabricus petunioides from Tatsuo ;)
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A humongous cantabricus hybrid nearly 6cm in diameter!
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Gianna showing colour changes as the flower matures
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Cream of the crop - Narcissus albimarginatus. If only you could smell it - a deep rich perfume similar to French violets. This one is in my custody :D
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Things are outpacing me in the hybrid house!
These are mostly named cultivars, mine and other breeders'.
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These are nearly all flowering for the first time:
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An experimental planter with interchangeable pots in the centre to showcase the miniatures as they come into flower - here Brian Duncan's Cheekie Chappie
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Wow! Just gorgeous, Anne :o Your ‘Little Dryad’ looks outstanding!
The season is moving from hoop petticoats to to miniature trumpets there.
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A new comer, Narcissus ‘Wee Dote’ opened its flower yesterday :) :) :)
Its colour will fade to whiter soon.
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Narcissus bulbocodium obesus MS541, a real winner
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A distinctive clone, Yann. :D
Tatsuo - Wee Dote is one of Brian Duncan's finest - a regular show winner (and fine parent).
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Tatsuo - Wee Dote is one of Brian Duncan's finest - a regular show winner (and fine parent).
Thanks, Anne. This flower has already been hand-pollinated ;D
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Narcissus ‘Coo’
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Narcissus ‘Candle Power’ x N. cyclamineus
Thank you, Anne :)
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A real beauty YT.
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A real beauty YT.
Indeed. Thanks, David.
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Narcissus cantabricus (syn. N. cantabricus var. clusii)
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Coo is really beautiful, where did you get it?
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Coo is really beautiful, where did you get it?
From Anne. Robust and floriferous.
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Narcissus bulbocodium var. pallidus, JJA696.600
Two different seedlings from same seed packet.
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... and today :) Almost white cyclamineus.
Narcissus ‘Candle Power’ x N. cyclamineus
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Is that one of mine, Tatsuo? Did it have a number?
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Narcissus cantabricus (syn. N. cantabricus var. clusii)
WOW! You can really grow these plants to perfection!
By the way, Coo is from Glenbrook in Tasmania, so it travelled a long way to England then back to Japan!
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Is that one of mine, Tatsuo? Did it have a number?
No, Anne. You kindly sent me the bulb in 2014 but there was no number on the packet.
WOW! You can really grow these plants to perfection!
By the way, Coo is from Glenbrook in Tasmania, so it travelled a long way to England then back to Japan!
Thanks, this "var. clusii" is a quick increaser at here.
Yes, Coo travelled very long way and now shows me its fabulous flowers.
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Narcissus provincialis var. bicolorans, JJA 703.605
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Narcissus bulbocodium var. nivalis, SRGC Seed Exchange 2010-5192, from wild collected seeds in Spain,
The tiniest N. bulbocodium in my collection. Compare with N. bulbocodium subsp. obesus, MS451 in the last picture.
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I LOVE these tiny nivalis!
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These smaller bulbocodiums are great - aren't they!
Gerd
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I've found these N. bulbocodium in the town of Caldas da Rainha in Portugal.
This population is sparse, individuals are isolated and only found here and there, under the canopy if big umbrella pine trees.
The leaves are different from N. bulbocodium obesus, longer as grassy.
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Astonishing Narcissus here ! :o :o
I've got Narcissus cordubensis in flower right now :