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Title: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: annew on October 20, 2021, 06:49:57 PM
I am so excited to have a number of flowers on 2 pots of autumn daffodils at last. The names are a nightmare though. see what you think to these - ID attempts welcomed! First is one I received as N. elegans:
Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: annew on October 20, 2021, 06:52:41 PM
Second is one I received as N. serotinus - last year this was thought to be N. deficiens. It came from 'Pelagia/Kreta' (i wasn't sure of the handwritten note)
Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: Yann on October 20, 2021, 09:34:37 PM
deficiens
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serotinus
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elegans, flowers implementation and corona (dark orange-marron)
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Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: annew on October 20, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
I will check corona colour tomorrow - my camera may not have picked up the true colour.
Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: Gerdk on October 21, 2021, 08:57:31 AM
Some remarks to the discussion here:
Anne, if your plant has (glaucous) leaves together with flowers it is Narcissus N. elegans (Spanish botanists still distinguish here
elegans and obsoletus depending on distribution and some other characteristics as the shape of the corona for instance).

To distinguish between Narcissus serotinus and N. deficiens (miniatus) please have a look at the attached photos.
The tube of Narcissus serotinus is narrow to its base and then becoming abruptly inflated.
The tube of N. deficiens is narrowly tapering and usually more greenish.
Unfortunately the botanical names have  changed so often that there is a lot of confusion.
Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: annew on October 23, 2021, 05:05:43 PM
Here is the side view of the one labelled elegans
Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: annew on October 23, 2021, 05:08:51 PM
This is the best I can do for the one labelled serotinus, without taking more photos (which I can do if needed) I can see it does not have the correct shape for that species.
Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: Gerdk on October 24, 2021, 10:46:11 AM
I would say - Narcissus labelled elegans = elegans
and N. labelled serotinus = most probably deficiens - but in no case serotinus.


Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus October 2021
Post by: annew on October 26, 2021, 08:49:16 AM
Thank you, Gerd.
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