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Seedy Subjects! => Seed Exchange => Topic started by: Rafa on November 10, 2019, 09:26:46 PM
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Dear All,
May I make the following corrections about some names appearen on the seed list? Some of the are open to debate, while the ones in red are in my oppinion not valid.
NARCISSUS (ama)
2521 ‘Camoro'
2522 ‘Cedric Morris'
2523 ‘Kalyke' ( from cantab. petun. . romieuxii albidus SF110)
2524 ‘Limey Lass'
2525 ‘Mary Poppins'
2526 ‘Nylon Group'
2527 assoanus subsp. assoanus
2528 asturiensis Narcissus minor subsp. minor
2529 bulbocodium
2530 bulbocodium JJA805 .
2531 bulbocodium citrinus
2532 bulbocodium graellsii
2533 bulbocodium nivalis
2534 bulbocodium saltuum
2535 bulbocodium validus
2536 cantabricus
2537 cantabricus monophyllus
2538 cantabricus var. petunioides
2539 cantabricus . romieuxii F2
2540 confusus
2541 cordubensis Narcissus fernandesii
2542 cyclamineus
2543 deficiens
2544 dubius
2545 eugeniae Narcissus confusus
2546 fernandesii
2547 hedraeanthus ex S. de Cazorla
2548 jonquilla henriquesii
2549 lobularis Narcissus pseudonarcissus
2550 longispathus
2551 nivalis (bulbocodium subsp. nivalis)
2552 obesus
2553 obesus 'Lee Martin'
2554 obsoletus
2555 obvallaris Narcissus confusus
2556 panizzianus Narcissus papyraceus
2557 perez-chiscanoi F&JK0611 Narcissus confusus
2558 primigenius
2559 pseudonarcissus
2560 pseud. bicolor ex Pyrenees (Narcissus bicolor?)
2561 x romanensis Narcissus grandae, a new species developped from fertile N. x barrae
2562 romieuxii
2563 romieuxii hybrids
2564 romieuxii 'Atlas Gold' JCA805
2565 romieuxii 'Julia Jane'
2566 romieuxii 'Treble Chance'
2567 rupicola
2568 rupicola ex S. de Guadarrama
2569 rupicola watieri
2570 rupicola watieri 'Abaleish'
2571 tazetta
2572 triandrus
2573 triandrus pallidulus Naricissus pulchellus (or N. pallidulus, not clear)
2574 triandrus triandrus
2575 triandrus triandrus alejandrei Narcissus iohannis
2576 yepesii Narcissus longispathus subsp. longispathus
all the best
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Dear All,
May I make the following corrections about some names appearen on the seed list? Some of the are open to debate, while the ones in red are in my oppinion not valid.
all the best
I think these numbers refer to last year's list, Rafa, is that correct? That is the list of #72 2018-2019
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oh! sorry Maggi, please delete my post :-[
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oh! sorry Maggi, please delete my post :-[
No, don't! It's helpful to know your thoughts on the correct names.
One of the problems we have in Australia is that the BICON list of allowed seeds does not keep up with changes in nomenclature so when a plant name is updated it is no longer "Allowed"!!!! ::)
cheers
fermi
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thank you Fermi
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I agree this is useful information - so I have made it a topic.
It was simply confusing to have it in the Seed Ex. 73 thread where the numbers are not applicable. :)
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thank you Maggi!! :-* :-* :-*
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Hi Rafa et al
I'm not sure where to start on this subject; so here goes. We get over 7000 packets of seed donated to the exchange, and we cannot check every name every year, of course. We keep a spreadsheet of over 24000 names for the exchange and note when we have checked a name on it. Until this year we used 'The Plant List' but that is no longer being maintained so we are in the process of changing to 'Plants of the World Online', which means more changes. Until there is a really up-to-date book of narcissus names we'll stick to POWO nomenclature in future, but that will inevitably mean we change some names from those on the donated packet..... there's no complete or simple answer is there?
It's also true that we won't always stick to POWO names: POWO sinks Meconopsis into Papaver, and just think what an outcry we'd have from the Meconopsis Group if we did that!! They also sink most Hebes, Parahebes, and anything else with Hebe in the name into Veronica....help!!
Any advice on best sources of up-to-date and authoritative Narcissus names would be welcome...
Best wishes
Ian & Carole B
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I'm sorry Ian I think I can't cite any authority on the Narcissus genus. This list of names is the result of a group of amateurs that have verified in the field many of the species that the supposed authorities have published.
Just one example Narcissus cordubensis. Most of you are growing Narcissus jonquilla subsp. cerrolazae, that was introduced under Narcissus cordubensis, which is ivalid. In the type locality the only species that you can find is a simple Narcissus fernandesii. So, like you I also request.... help!! :) :)