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Title: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 04, 2017, 01:26:09 PM
Tim Roberts says this site is  a great site for images of saxifraga in Italy......
http://www.actaplantarum.org/acta/galleria.php?lista=0&mode=2&alfa=S&cat=24&cid=68&last=0#p2 (http://www.actaplantarum.org/acta/galleria.php?lista=0&mode=2&alfa=S&cat=24&cid=68&last=0#p2)

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 14, 2017, 10:08:23 PM
Shocking and sad news from the world of Saxifrages. David Walkey, a well-known and greatly respected  grower and hybridiser of the genus, based in the village of Tysoe  in Warwickshire, after which his hybrids are  named, passed away on the 12th January.
18 new hybrids  made and named by  David have been  described  by Adrian Young and will be published in the next issue of IRG ( International Rock Gardener  e-magazine) which will go online  at the end of the month.
Many of David's hybrids are being grown and exhibited to considerable success  by the likes of David Hoare at AGS shows.

Our  condolences to the family and loved ones of David Walkey

Thanks to Adrian Young for this photo of David .

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2017, 05:55:03 PM
News from the Saxifraga Society : Following the sad death of our friend David Walkey a funeral will be held on 6th February at 1.03pm at St Marys Church  Tysoe and after wards at the Village Hall.
 There are to be no flowers but a donation for a Chemotherapy chair at Stratford upon Avon Hospital are welcome.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Matt T on January 31, 2017, 08:55:15 PM
Some time ago there was a question on Facebook about Saxifrages that do well in the garden without protection. I promised a list of those that do well for me here in the Western Isles. I thought folk here would be interested to see it too.

These are all grown in various large pots and troughs in a very well drained potting mix and have no protection other than being sited up against a house wall. Planting them above the rim of the container also helps with drainage.
These are all plants that I have had for some time and grow well for me in the Outer Hebrides (cool, wet summers, mild wet winters, excellent air movement).
Those marked with an * are those that do especially well.
I have others that I don't list here because 1) I've not had them long enough to be proven in my garden or 2) they are slow, but are looking healthy enough and otherwise growing fine.
There are less than a handful of cultivars that I have lost in the 4+ years I've lived here, mainly x elisabethae crosses for some reason.

Cio Cio San (loose habit, but gorgeous flowers)
Bohemia
Beatrix Stanley
Cumulus * (vigorous)
Zlata Praha
Red Poll * (vigorous)
Tvuj Pisen * (a favourite)
Allendale Desire
Kathleen *
Penelope * (vigorous)
Laka
Tvoje Vira *
Athena
Edgar Irmscher
Edith
Allendale Charm * (particularly vigorous, but not the prettiest)
Coolock Gem * (reliably repeat flowering)
Claude Monet *
Jan Neruda *
Also:
S. oppositifolia cvs.
S. lilacina
S. lolaensis
S. paniculata cvs. incl. Pic de Gleize, Lagraveana & Lutea * (all good, tough garden plants)
S. cochlearis cvs.
S. crustata Slovene Silver

Photo: Tvuj Pisen in spring 2016
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: suesimpson33 on February 06, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
A few already flowering in the Alpine house - too early for me and the shows!

Allendale Elf
Coolock Kate
Joy Bishop
Sissi
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: suesimpson33 on February 06, 2017, 12:10:56 PM
And some more
Tysoe Splendour
Albert Einstein
Judith Shackleton
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on February 06, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
"Every cloud" though, Sue - the show benches' loss is our gain as you have time to photograph these little gems to share with us now!
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on February 06, 2017, 01:20:58 PM
Very nice indeed.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 28, 2017, 11:27:46 AM
Saxifraga 'Allendale Comet'
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 02, 2017, 12:37:44 AM
My tufa pan, baptised Luckerhorn by a friend  8) has lots of Saxifrages on the shady side.  They're coming to life despite the heavy rain of the last few days.

Saxifraga burseriana major is doing exceptionally very this year in the rock garden.

Saxifraga 'Verona' with its huge flowers.

Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on March 02, 2017, 09:27:25 AM
Very nice Luc and Chris.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on March 02, 2017, 02:17:20 PM
Saxifaga in tufa-can't remember which one
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on March 08, 2017, 01:11:32 PM
S. 'Cranbourne'
s. 'Excellent'
S. 'Karel Capek'
S. x poluniniana
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Roma on March 08, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
Saxifraga cinerea
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Tristan_He on March 10, 2017, 07:59:15 PM
Saxifaga in tufa-can't remember which one

'Gregor Mendel' perhaps? Lovely garden sax, I have loads of it.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Riho on March 10, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
'Mother of Pearl' last year
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on March 10, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Tristan.I put a pic like that in the AGS online show and one of the judges suggested that,only I know I've never had that one.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 10, 2017, 10:29:17 PM
'Mother of Pearl' last year
Welcome to the Forum, Riho!
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: suesimpson33 on March 10, 2017, 10:39:10 PM

'Jenkinsiae'
'Allendale Jinn'
'Your Smile'
alpine house view

(Once again I need Maggi's help in turning these to the correct position - definitely something about the ipad that causes this.) edit by maggi : Fixed.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Riho on March 12, 2017, 03:05:30 AM
Welcome to the Forum, Riho!
Thanks, Maggi!
Another macro photo. It was taken in greenhouse few weeks ago. I hope that it start to bloom soon. It would be the one of first plants that bloom in my garden in this year :)

Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on March 18, 2017, 10:36:59 AM
Saxifraga 'Alfons Mucha'
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Graham Catlow on March 19, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
I've thought about throwing this out many times over the past few years but it has finally produced a display worth the wait.
Saxifraga splendens

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2017, 09:08:53 PM
Lovely photo of a few of  her plants from Sue Simpson- who writes " Back from Kendal! Now have to think about Kincardine!"

The  saxifrage with the huge flowers in the foreground is, I am told by Sue, Saxifraga  'Geoffrey Gould'
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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: astragalus on March 20, 2017, 12:24:24 PM
I've thought about throwing this out many times over the past few years but it has finally produced a display worth the wait.
Saxifraga splendens

(Attachment Link)

It was worth the wait!!
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Graham Catlow on March 20, 2017, 07:10:58 PM
Thanks Anne. :)
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: ruweiss on March 25, 2017, 09:42:07 PM
Flowering now:
Sax. Allendale Elf
Sax. burserana coll. Seissera
Sax. Sissi
Sax. federicii-augustii ssp. grisebachii (Seedlings)
Sax.dinnikii Stasek (Extra big flowers, named after the late Czech Plantsman)
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Matt T on March 30, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
A few Saxifraga in flower here, all growing outside without protection.

S. oppositifolia 'Iceland'
S. 'Prince Hal'
S. Cio Cio San'
S. 'Valerie Keevil' - at least, that is what it was named as, but I suspect it might the imposter as it does not fit with the description given in Horny?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on April 01, 2017, 09:46:56 PM
Two Saxifraga of today ... one unfortunately without names.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on April 08, 2017, 08:12:47 PM
Today in the Sempervivum and Saxifraga corner ... Saxifraga sempervivum from Turkey.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on April 09, 2017, 12:37:44 PM
Some good flowering saxifrage in the past month
The third picture S. dinnikii form Stašek
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on April 09, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
Cyril Lafong's  Saxifraga quadrifaria from the Edinburgh Show ..... winning the Bill Mackie Quaich for best Saxifraga

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 pix by Stan da Prato

Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on May 06, 2017, 06:10:19 PM
Saxifraga x fritshiana?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on May 06, 2017, 07:33:52 PM
I like that one.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Philip Walker on May 17, 2017, 11:39:40 AM
My one David? not sure about the name.
Two more
S.primuloides
S. x burnatii
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on May 23, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
Saxifraga x engleri 'Carniolica'
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on June 05, 2017, 07:26:33 PM
Facebook post  from the Saxifraga Society - presume it is not limited to members - doesn't say so!

Saxifrage Society


The Saxifrage Society is planning a trip to Tromso, Norway from 19th to 22nd June 2018. The focus will obviously be on the Arctic Botanic Garden where we are promised some new exciting plants flowering hopefully for the first time but we also hope to visit the local mountains to see some of the wider sub-arctic flora.
Costings are very loose at the moment but air fares from the UK seem to be around £300-£400 return. Depending on numbers we may be able to rent a large house (or two) through Airbnb holiday rentals which could offer self catering accommodation for around £40 per night. Hotel accommodation would start at around £70 per night.
If you are interested in joining this trip please contact secretary@saxifraga.org
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Yann on July 01, 2017, 10:39:34 AM
Saxifraga vayredana: i collected seeds in the Barcelona mountains in 2011, they germinated during the 2012's winter.
i didn't take care of the seedlings and found them almost burnt in their 6x6 pot. I was able to rescue 1 plant. It's flowering for almost 3 months (yes!) quiet incredible.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Giles on July 04, 2017, 02:40:44 PM
Silver Saxifrages from Waterperry Gardens making a showing at the RHS Hampton Court Flower Show in association with Hogarth Hostas.
(In the Plant Heritage Section)
Taken from the Waterperry Facebook page:
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 05, 2017, 03:54:57 PM
My collection of Saxifraga cultivars are just starting, three here from the garden today. Rather gloomy pictures I'm afraid owing to this photographers sad shortage of skill.

Saxifraga forunei 'Gokka'[attachimg=1]

S. f. 'Cheap Confections' [attachimg=2]

S. f. 'Shiranami' [attachimg=3]
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on October 05, 2017, 03:56:42 PM
I don't know what it is about the ground here that those Sax don't like - perhaps it is too acid, even though it is not "very" acid..... ??? ::)
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 05, 2017, 04:00:58 PM
Mine are in a raised bed consisting mainly of smaller Rhododendrons. The soil is mainly composted bark and JI ericaceous. It was your tip for me try them there Maggi
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on October 05, 2017, 04:05:26 PM
I know! They grow well in similar places for plenty folk!  And recently they're doing nothing here - fear they may have drowned where I had them! 
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Roma on October 05, 2017, 04:15:01 PM
I gave up buying them to feed the vine weevils.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on October 05, 2017, 04:41:36 PM
Aha! I hadn't thought of that reason for them to go - it is a possibility.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Carolyn on October 14, 2017, 08:05:13 PM
Maggi,
Vine weevils love Sax. fortunei! Whenever I buy a new one, my first priority is to take cuttings, in the hope that the evil weevils don't manage to munch through ALL the plants! Then I try to plant them in various places around the garden, as well as keeping one of each in a pot. Hedging my bets.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 17, 2017, 12:16:35 PM
Some more of my small collection of Saxifraga fortunei cultivars:-

S.f. 'Pink Haze'[attachimg=1]

S.f. 'Rokujo'[attachimg=2]

S.f. 'Roseum'[attachimg=3]

S.f. 'Conwy Snow'[attachimg=4]
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: ruweiss on October 17, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
Wow - what a nice collection. Thank you for showing.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 17, 2017, 10:38:35 PM
Thank you Rudi.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on October 17, 2017, 11:14:45 PM
Gert Hoek, SRGC member and  contributor to IRG e-magazine - famous for his  garage roof full of plants, is featured in the September issue of the AGS journal - a new Saxifraga hybrid found by him has been written up by Adrian Young ....
and named for Gert!  Saxifraga x hoekiana :)

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 Congratulations, Gert!
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on October 21, 2017, 10:09:26 PM
Some more of my small collection of Saxifraga fortunei cultivars:-

S.f. 'Pink Haze' (Attachment Link)

S.f. 'Rokujo' (Attachment Link)

S.f. 'Roseum' (Attachment Link)

S.f. 'Conwy Snow' (Attachment Link)

Beautiful series David.
My only fortunei is this one. He is in the 'moraine' picture 1 is spring this year and picture 2 is a month ago.

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S.f. 'Black Ruby'

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on October 21, 2017, 10:20:27 PM
A few of my silver saxifrage. Photo taken last week. Now 2 and 3 years in the tuf.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on October 21, 2017, 10:22:14 PM
continuation
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on October 21, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
Here's the situation where this saxifraga stands, nevertheless an idea of how they are planted.

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 22, 2017, 07:41:13 PM
An impressive set of Saxifrages Jan. You have some equally impressive pieces of tufa too. Is it freely available in The Netherlands, is it very expensive?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: ruweiss on October 22, 2017, 08:51:03 PM
Beautiful pictures of beautiful plants, they look so happy in their places.
Thank you for showing.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on October 23, 2017, 08:24:26 AM
An impressive set of Saxifrages Jan. You have some equally impressive pieces of tufa too. Is it freely available in The Netherlands, is it very expensive?

I buy at a rock plant center in Belgium. Is 120 km from my place. They receive about 20 tons annually. You have to pick them up and transport them yourself. They cost € 0.55 per kilo.
I got 1500 kg once, and once 800 kg. Transport was 2 times € 175, -.
Yes they are well available, but very expensive.

The photo is a 500kg stone next to our house, planted with saxifragas.

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 25, 2017, 07:09:22 PM
Three more from my small collection of Saxifraga fortunei cultivars (one more still to flower)

Saxifraga fortunei 'Beni Tsukasa' [attachimg=1]

S. f. 'Gelbes Monster'  [attachimg=2]

S. f. 'Pink Mist'  [attachimg=3]
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Gail on October 25, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
Saxifraga fortunei 'Beni Tsukasa'
That one is a revelation David - I thought all Saxifragas had white flowers...
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 25, 2017, 09:42:34 PM
See reply 38 above Gail, Saxifraga fortunei 'Gokka' is another red one. Japanese breeders in particular are introducing new cultivars regularly with some lovely reds and glossy purple foliage shades.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Gail on October 25, 2017, 10:24:46 PM
Sorry, I must have been somewhat inattentive before; yes very lovely, but please don't start me on something else...
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: ian mcdonald on October 25, 2017, 10:37:07 PM
Gail, some of our native saxifrages have yellow flowers, S. aizoides and S. hirculus.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Gail on October 25, 2017, 11:36:39 PM
Ian, I am trying so hard not to get interested in yet another genera and that does not help  :)
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 26, 2017, 09:44:27 AM
Ian, I am trying so hard not to get interested in yet another genera and that does not help  :)

But they're at their best when there isn't much else out............. go on, give 'em a try ;D
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Gail on October 26, 2017, 09:41:16 PM
But they're at their best when there isn't much else out............. go on, give 'em a try ;D
A Japanese neighbour in the village was wondering what to grow in her shady front garden so I think a joint collection is a possibility....
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on October 26, 2017, 10:39:46 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 01, 2017, 08:06:17 PM
Last week, a received address from Gerrit, an ordinary plant nursery https://tinyurl.com/y7qxweea (https://tinyurl.com/y7qxweea)
Likewise, these saxifragas ordered.
I still have a nice shady place to plant them. As David says,
Quote
But they're at their best when there isn't much else out............. go on, give 'em a try
so I'm going to try it.

Saxifraga cortusifolia 'Beni Tsukasa'
Saxifraga cortusifolia 'Cotton Crochet'
Saxifraga cortusifolia 'Shiranami'
Saxifraga fortunei 'Gokka'
Saxifraga cortusifolia 'Cheap Confections'
Saxifraga cortusifolia 'Rokujo'
Saxifraga fortunei 'Gelbes Monster'

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on November 01, 2017, 08:24:20 PM
Nice selection, Jan.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Carolyn on November 01, 2017, 08:49:33 PM
Jan,
Lovely choices! Most of these are ones I've been trying in the last couple of years. I think Shiranami is my favourite - sheer flower power! I made the mistake of planting Cotton Crochet out in the garden, only to discover that it is VERY late flowering. It is better grown in a pot in the greenhouse, so that you can enjoy the flowers in November while protecting them from the worst of the weather. The one I left outside has no flowers yet, the one I brought into the greenhouse a month ago has flower buds about to open. Maybe conditions are better for it in the Netherlands?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 01, 2017, 10:09:34 PM
Jan,
Lovely choices! Most of these are ones I've been trying in the last couple of years. I think Shiranami is my favourite - sheer flower power! I made the mistake of planting Cotton Crochet out in the garden, only to discover that it is VERY late flowering. It is better grown in a pot in the greenhouse, so that you can enjoy the flowers in November while protecting them from the worst of the weather. The one I left outside has no flowers yet, the one I brought into the greenhouse a month ago has flower buds about to open. Maybe conditions are better for it in the Netherlands?

I first try them in the garden. (no place in my small greenhouse, too many other saxifragas) Next year I will see what happened. Thank you for the advice.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 02, 2017, 07:23:10 PM
Given that I'm probably getting on for 450 miles further South than Carolyn all of mine have been grown in the garden mixed in with a bed of small Rhododendrons in a raised bed.  The compost is 50% JI ericaceous and 50% composted bark with my fairly neutral garden soil probably a couple of feet deeper than the compost. I posted 'Shiranami' on 5 October in the early flowering stage and it is still flowering now as are the others. I'm just waiting for flowers to break on the remaining two clones.

You shouldn't have any trouble with them in your garden Jan although I think yours probably gets colder than mine.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 03, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
Given that I'm probably getting on for 450 miles further South than Carolyn all of mine have been grown in the garden mixed in with a bed of small Rhododendrons in a raised bed.  The compost is 50% JI ericaceous and 50% composted bark with my fairly neutral garden soil probably a couple of feet deeper than the compost. I posted 'Shiranami' on 5 October in the early flowering stage and it is still flowering now as are the others. I'm just waiting for flowers to break on the remaining two clones.

You shouldn't have any trouble with them in your garden Jan although I think yours probably gets colder than mine.

Thank you for explaining, about the soil mix, David.
The Netherlands is generally Zone 7, in the south of the Netherlands it is more against Zone 8. (I think) So max between -7 and -17. But -17 has not been for a couple of years. Usually it is max -10 a-12 here.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 03, 2017, 11:22:52 AM
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The compost is 50% JI ericaceous and 50% composted bark with my fairly neutral garden soil probably a couple of feet deeper than the compost

Do I forget to ask, David, what is JI ericaceous?
I think that in the Netherlands is not for sale.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 03, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
Jan, John Innes is actually a recipe for a mix of compost more information on which is below (I hope you are able perhaps to translate this)

https://www.gardeningdata.co.uk/soil/john_innes/john_innes.php (https://www.gardeningdata.co.uk/soil/john_innes/john_innes.php)

As you will see the original recipe was based on loam and peat. Good loam is virtually unavailable in the commercial market these days and the use of peat for horticultural purposes is now frowned upon and all kinds of things, some good but most very bad, are used as substitutes. Most of the available commercially obtainable John Innes style composts are notoriously bad but some good stuff can still be found from small independent manufacturers.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 03, 2017, 02:33:11 PM
Jan, John Innes is actually a recipe for a mix of compost more information on which is below (I hope you are able perhaps to translate this)

https://www.gardeningdata.co.uk/soil/john_innes/john_innes.php (https://www.gardeningdata.co.uk/soil/john_innes/john_innes.php)

As you will see the original recipe was based on loam and peat. Good loam is virtually unavailable in the commercial market these days and the use of peat for horticultural purposes is now frowned upon and all kinds of things, some good but most very bad, are used as substitutes. Most of the available commercially obtainable John Innes style composts are notoriously bad but some good stuff can still be found from small independent manufacturers.

Thank you David for the website info.
  I buy from a small grower regularly a few bags (he calls it) white peat / loam mix. I mix that by Japanese split (2-6 mm grit) and coarse river sand. That is good for most gentiana and daphne. Perhaps I have to do some extra peat for these saxifragas?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 06, 2017, 07:04:50 PM
Saxifraga cortusifolia var. fortunei 'Black Ruby'.

Planted spring 2017, stands in the moraine, all day full sun, but with wet feet. Photo 1
September photo 2
Today photo 3 and 4

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on November 07, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
Last week, a received address from Gerrit, an ordinary plant nursery https://tinyurl.com/y7qxweea (https://tinyurl.com/y7qxweea)
Likewise, these saxifragas ordered.
I still have a nice shady place to plant them. As David says, so I'm going to try it.

Does anyone know of a nursery in the USA or Canada selling these Saxifragas?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 07, 2017, 07:11:29 PM
Just done a Search on 'Duck Duck Go' which is weighted towards USA and found the following that might help a plant seeker to 'aim' a bit.

Wayside Gardens-South Carolina. Shows S. f. 'Sugar Plum Fairy' but out of stock.
Monrovia, California looks like a wholesale outfit. Showing 'Pink Elf' and 'Berry Bright' but might have others?
Sunny Border Nurseries again looks like a wholesale outfit. Berlin Connecticut. Shows 'Black Ruby' might be others?
Far Reaches Farm, Washington State I think, I'm not really up on State postal references site gave WA 98368. Shows 'Dwarf Form' and refers to selection being grown from seed.

In Canada:
NVK Connon Nurseries, again looks like a wholesale outfit. Dundas Ontario. Shows 'Cheap Confctions'
Phoenix Perennials, Richmond BC (British Columbia??) again looks like a wholesale outfit show a cultivar called 'Akibare', have a long list on their web site but I don't know stock position

All of the above should come up on G**gle.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on November 08, 2017, 03:25:55 PM
Thank you David - I've passed on this link.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 08, 2017, 09:57:21 PM
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Does anyone know of a nursery in the USA or Canada selling these Saxifragas?

Maggi, this garden center also sends to England. If you may be looking for this.
Here the shipping costs in English language. https://tinyurl.com/y98g2cj5 (https://tinyurl.com/y98g2cj5)
But you have to order in Dutch.  https://tinyurl.com/y7qxweea (https://tinyurl.com/y7qxweea)
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on November 09, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
Thanks, Jan.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 09, 2017, 03:48:52 PM
Last week I was at the concrete and stone dump and found a wheelbarrow full of lava stones. I had some lava stones. Beautiful enough to make a corner in the shade for autumn saxifrage.
This afternoon, the sun was shining, so made two wheelbarrows soil mix and finished the job.

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 09, 2017, 07:14:13 PM
Looks good Jan.

Here's my Saxifraga fortunei 'Black Ruby'. Now I have counted them properly I still have two to flower, 'Cotton Crochet' which as Carolyn said is always very late, and 'Blackberry and Apple Pie' that looks as though it will be even later.
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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 16, 2017, 06:39:46 PM
My last two for this year, Saxifraga fortunei 'Cotton Crochet' and S. f. 'Blackberry and Apple Pie'

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 16, 2017, 09:40:49 PM
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My last two for this year, Saxifraga fortunei 'Cotton Crochet' and S. f. 'Blackberry and Apple Pie'

Nice flowering plants so late in the year. With me they also bloom, fantastic. Thanks, David for sharing. :)
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Arie.v on November 20, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
Connon nurseries NVK has "Cheap confections" and "Wada", I purchased from them, and yes it is whole sale only.
I worked for them for 48 years until my retirement as their head propagator.
I have seen some also on the Fraser's Thimble Farms on Saltspring Island BC Canada
I will be ordering from them next spring.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Arie.v on November 20, 2017, 02:49:36 PM
Cheap confections are listed here as fortunei, Jan has it listed as cortusifolia, what is up with that. Are they the same or mislabelled in North America?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 20, 2017, 03:39:47 PM
Cheap confections are listed here as fortunei, Jan has it listed as cortusifolia, what is up with that. Are they the same or mislabelled in North America?

Arie, I have searched for you and the names are used interchangeably. They are also used interchangeably on garden center websites.
That makes it a bit confusing. The names I mention are the names that I got on the card.
Cortusifolia is a synonym. see http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Saxifraga+cortusifolia+%27Beni+Tsukasa%27+ (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Saxifraga+cortusifolia+%27Beni+Tsukasa%27+)
So in my Dbase I am going to call them Fortunei, that seems to me the best.

I went outside to take a picture of the 'Beni Tsukasa' so beautiful dark red and still in bloom.

Here, for example, a site that calls him cortusifolia, confusing  https://www.staudenonline.de/saxifraga-cortusifolia-beni-tsukasa (https://www.staudenonline.de/saxifraga-cortusifolia-beni-tsukasa)

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Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 20, 2017, 03:42:18 PM
Cheap confections are listed here as fortunei, Jan has it listed as cortusifolia, what is up with that. Are they the same or mislabelled in North America?

Hello Arie, I think the naming possibly depends on the original source of the plants. For example Peters nursery in Germany label all their cultivars as S. cortusifolia whereas all the plants I have bought from UK nurseries have been labelled as S. fortunei.

http://shop.alpine-peters.de/saxifraga-herbststeinbrech-oktoberle/cortusifolia-flora-angebot.html (http://shop.alpine-peters.de/saxifraga-herbststeinbrech-oktoberle/cortusifolia-flora-angebot.html)

As far as Cheap Confections is concerned I have bought it as S. fortunei and it is the same plant Jan has.

Maybe someone else has another view?
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 20, 2017, 03:43:47 PM
Whoops, sorry Jan, didn't see your reply. But I think both of us think similarly.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Jan Tholhuijsen on November 20, 2017, 04:03:14 PM
Whoops, sorry Jan, didn't see your reply. But I think both of us think similarly.

That's OK, David.
It happens a lot that synonyms are used, or misspelled names. With new purchase, it is best to always check names.(I always do it, but that takes some time.)
Usually unintentionally, simply because they do not take the trouble.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: Arie.v on November 20, 2017, 05:57:02 PM
Wish I could get some locally here, shipping from BC is expensive, maybe I have to talk my former employer in to getting some other ones. 
Cheap Confections and Wanda are both white ones.
Love the red ones you posted Jan on Facebook.
Thanks Dave and Jan for clearing this up for me.
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on November 20, 2017, 06:46:35 PM

................Cheap Confections and Wanda are both white ones....................


Er, well? Arie if you look earlier in this thread at my 'Cheap Confections' you may see that it is pink fading to white which caused me a bit of hesitation. I checked this out on the Edrom Nursery Web Site (Edrom has a very good range of fortunei cultivars ) and found that the flower is sometimes referred to as being pink and sometimes white. Also, on the same site the flower is referred to as being white and with large pink bracts.
http://www.edrom-nurseries.co.uk/shop/pc/Saxifraga-fortunei-Cheap-Confections-35p8078.htm (http://www.edrom-nurseries.co.uk/shop/pc/Saxifraga-fortunei-Cheap-Confections-35p8078.htm)

'Warda' although white (I'm sure you will be glad to know) it's proper name is 'Wada'
Title: Re: Saxifraga 2017
Post by: adrian young on August 13, 2019, 03:17:48 PM
Saxifaga in tufa-can't remember which one
Saxifraga x apiculata 'Gregor Mendel'
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