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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: ruben on January 01, 2015, 12:33:39 PM
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Some crocusses in flower on the first day of the new year :-d
Crocus suaveolens 'De Jager'
Crocus sieberii atticus ssp. sublimis
Crocus sieberii ssp. atticus 'Bowles White'
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Crocus michelsonii (from kopet dag in Iran, grows on 1200 meters).
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Happy New Year, Ruben - what good flowers to begin the year - lucky man!
You have better weather than us here in Aberdeen- very grey and rather wet here - hard to see any thing at all!
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Happy New year to Maggi!!
Its the first day since 2 weeks with positive temperatures(day and night) and sun. We have had a cold period. The forecast is dry and about 5degrees for coming days.
I'm very happy with some colour in the garden ;D
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Happy New Year to all croco- and other -nuts... ;D
I had Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena in full swing for the beginning of the year !!
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and at the same time...
Crocus korolkowii - Dark throat is showing colour !
Crocus hittiticus still going strong !
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Two Scottish croconuts in heaven seeing these beauties! The dark anthers dehiscing are so interesting - and I think perhaps they show that process better than golden ones?
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Two Scottish croconuts in heaven seeing these beauties! The dark anthers dehiscing are so interesting - and I think perhaps they show that process better than golden ones?
... and two Belgian croconuts happy to oblige ! ;)
I'm also fascinated by the black anthers, Maggi !!
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hitticus is a long flowering crocus. Thx Luc for sharing photos.
Just had time to shot only one before the sunset.
Crocus korolkowii 'MOUNTAINS GLORY'
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Crocus hitticus - I particularly like the stippled one :)
I apologise for poor photo of stippled one - taken in kitchen
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One of many pots of Crocus chrysanthus in flower now
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Very nice the stippled hittiticus Arthur!
Today 10degrees and full sun. Two of my favorite crocus in flower
Crocus michelsonii from kopet dag mountains in Iran
Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena
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I am trying very hard not to be jealous of all these beautiful Crocus - not sure I am succeeding :-X
What a bright and exciting start to the year is being shown by you lucky people with such early flowers!
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sunshine and Crocus :D
Crocus korolkowii 'Mountains Glory'
Crocus chrysanthus 'Goldene Sonne'
Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena
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Nice form of Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena yann!!
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I've another form but buds are just sprouting
Crocus korolkowii RI - Tub
Crocus korolkowii 'YELLOW TIGER'
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Crocus sieberi Bowles white.
Crocus biflorus nubigena
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Wonderful Crocus guys ! A sunny day in Belgium today, so Crocus' cannot be stopped now !! ;D
1-2-3 = bought as Crocus corsicus, this probably isn't - the yellow heart and the time of flowering seem to give it away.... Crocus imperati ?
4-5 = already shown, but so beautiful and in full swing now : C. biflorus nubigena
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Some more :
1-2-3 : Crocus korolkowii 'Dark throat' - well chosen name.
4-5 : Crocus atticus ssp nivalis - resembling very much of the cultivar 'Tricolor'
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Luc : many be imperati ssp suaveolens, this sub-specie has straight stripes
btw your fuji dslr renders justice to colors, need to shop one before spring.
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Not enough sun today to open the flowers but some are as beauitiful on the outside!
Crocus biflorus ssp. stridii
Crocus korolkowii 'Agalik'
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Some crocus today:
Crocus biflorus ssp. stridii --> a form with blackish anthers collected in Greece.
Crocus sieberii atticus ssp. sublimis
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I agree, Ruben - Crocus are beautiful inside and out - so much variety in flowers , anthers, styles- -just the best plants!!
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Kath's Crocus
(Crocus danfordiae blue form)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8631/16051003128_deef5cc9e3_o_d.jpg)
I got this bonny wee crocus many years ago (1994) as a gift from Kath Dryden. I subsequently lost interest in growing plants for over 15 years and during that time I lost many plants. This one declined to a single tiny corm with no label and when it flowered last year (the first for many years) I didn't know what it was. I have recently refurbished the bulb frame that it was rescued from and found the old faded label with Kath's name.
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Steve - fabulous shot and so good you have 'rescued' this beauty. It might now be known as Crocus minutus. Much of danfordiae have been re-classified .... not entirely sure what is left under that name.
Below are two pics of a plant I obtained in 1994 as Crocus biflorus isauricus. Very small flowered, with upright leaves exceeding the flowers at flowering time, I tentatively re-named it as Crocus danfordiae. These are 3rd generation seedlings which are pretty much identical to the original plants. It has been suggested they might be Crocus brickellii, another newly described plant which would once have been included in Crocus danfordiae. These lack the long style branches of Crocus brickellii so all this is pure conjecture!
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Steve - fabulous shot and so good you have 'rescued' this beauty. It might now be known as Crocus minutus. Much of danfordiae have been re-classified .... not entirely sure what is left under that name.
Below are two pics of a plant I obtained in 1994 as Crocus biflorus isauricus. Very small flowered, with upright leaves exceeding the flowers at flowering time, I tentatively re-named it as Crocus danfordiae. These are 3rd generation seedlings which are pretty much identical to the original plants. It has been suggested they might be Crocus brickellii, another newly described plant which would once have been included in Crocus danfordiae. These lack the long style branches of Crocus brickellii so all this is pure conjecture!
I think those are C. danfordiae. C. brickellii has distinctly long stigmatic branches almost allways overtopping anthers and I never saw tips so deep between anthers. Another allie C. minutus has white stigma. No problems to separate. Steve's plant has yellow stigmatic branches, so I think it is blue danfordiae.
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I think those are C. danfordiae. C. brickellii has distinctly long stigmatic branches almost allways overtopping anthers and I never saw tips so deep between anthers. Another allie C. minutus has white stigma. No problems to separate. Steve's plant has yellow stigmatic branches, so I think it is blue danfordiae.
Thanks Janis. I have struggled to keep up with the current thinking on names. Family and work come before study in recent years :-(
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We were tremendous fans of Dear Kath Dryden, so it is very good to see that you have managed to rescue that rather precious plant, Steve.
The stippling on Steve's blue and also on Tony's pale form is exceptionally lovely.
I like the way Tony's photo shows the depth of the golden throat and the great shape. Real crackers!
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Kath's Crocus
(Crocus danfordiae blue form)
I got this bonny wee crocus many years ago (1994) as a gift from Kath Dryden. I subsequently lost interest in growing plants for over 15 years and during that time I lost many plants. This one declined to a single tiny corm with no label and when it flowered last year (the first for many years) I didn't know what it was. I have recently refurbished the bulb frame that it was rescued from and found the old faded label with Kath's name.
Such a lovely crocus Steve and so well captured, Kath would have been very proud.
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Such a lovely crocus Steve and so well captured, Kath would have been very proud.
Couldn't agree more !!
Tremendous shot !
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Kath's Crocus
(Crocus danfordiae blue form)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8631/16051003128_deef5cc9e3_o_d.jpg)
I got this bonny wee crocus many years ago (1994) as a gift from Kath Dryden. I subsequently lost interest in growing plants for over 15 years and during that time I lost many plants. This one declined to a single tiny corm with no label and when it flowered last year (the first for many years) I didn't know what it was. I have recently refurbished the bulb frame that it was rescued from and found the old faded label with Kath's name.
Forum photo size advice - forum recommended size :
While a large photo can be glorious and can look very good when it is displayed alone on a page, in the Forum the restrictions of the text boxes etc do mean that photos larger that 760 pixels wide will not be seen to their best advantage.
I take this opportunity to once more urge members to re-size their photos to a maximum of 760 pixels wide - it is possible, as is made clear by the number of very excellent photos on the forum which adhere to this ruling, to have perfectly good quality photos displaying the details and beauty of a plant while remaining within the 760 pixels wide and under 200kb limits.
Look at Steves' photo - perfect! and it is 760 x 581 pixels in size and 93.5KB !
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Very dark day, not the best shots
Crocus chrysanthus 'USCHAK ORANGE'
Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena mv 3136 Got
Crocus korolkowii 'MOUNTAINS GLORY'
Crocus biflorus ssp pseudonubigena
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Kath's Crocus
(Crocus danfordiae blue form)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8631/16051003128_deef5cc9e3_o_d.jpg)
I got this bonny wee crocus many years ago (1994) as a gift from Kath Dryden. I subsequently lost interest in growing plants for over 15 years and during that time I lost many plants. This one declined to a single tiny corm with no label and when it flowered last year (the first for many years) I didn't know what it was. I have recently refurbished the bulb frame that it was rescued from and found the old faded label with Kath's name.
Fabulous photo Steve, thanks for posting it.
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Kath's Crocus
(Crocus danfordiae blue form)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8631/16051003128_deef5cc9e3_o_d.jpg)
I got this bonny wee crocus many years ago (1994) as a gift from Kath Dryden. I subsequently lost interest in growing plants for over 15 years and during that time I lost many plants. This one declined to a single tiny corm with no label and when it flowered last year (the first for many years) I didn't know what it was. I have recently refurbished the bulb frame that it was rescued from and found the old faded label with Kath's name.
Fabulous photo Steve, thanks for posting it.
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A sunny day, 21°c in the greenhouse, it's spring inside :D
Crocus biflorus ssp stridii
Crocus dalmaticus 'Petrovac' CEH 537
Crocus fleischeri
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Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten'
Crocus Sieberi 'Violet Queen'
Crocus chrysanthus 'Saturnus'
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Very nice Yann!
I grow all my crocusses outside in open ground. Today its was windy but Sunny. A lot of crocusses where in flower.
Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena (from another source with very dark anthers).
Crocus crysanthus 'Uschak Orange' (is this one a species now? Crocus uschakensis? ).
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Crocus sieberii atticus ssp. sublimis
Crocus crysanthus 'Goldene Sonne' - With very dark buds
Crocus sieberii atticus 'Firefly'
Crocus biflorus ssp. stridii (someone said this could be a late crocus biflorus melantherus)? Can someone help me with this.
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Crocus reticulatis ex. moldavia
Crocus biflorus ssp. isauricus
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Light levels here have been dire for the last 5-6 days with the brief sunny spells being too short to have any impact. As a result many crocus flowers are failing to open.
I can persuade the flower buds to open by placing the plants under a small halogen lamp for about 30 minutes but this light source is of no use for photography resulting in a very false colour balance to the image.
The same issue of light quality arises when trying to photograph flowers in poor winter light -especially when there is thick cloud cover, rain or snow. In these situations the longer wavelength colours (particularly red and to a lesser extent yellow) penetrate poorly whilst the short wavelength high energy colours of blue and violet penetrate well and create an almost phosphorescent effect. In such situations red flowers appear dark or even almost black whilst those with a hint of blue or violet in the flower will almost "fluoresce" these colours. The Crocus chrysanthus Sunspot images below were taken during a brief sunny spell. The images are a fairly accurate reflection of the flower colour:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8634/16244654511_9ceb9cbe9b_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7550/16059117810_f7bea0c01b_o.jpg)
In comparison the series of this (admittedly quite bluish) clone of Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena were taken under a very heavy sky just as it started to snow. The effect was to produce marked enhancement of the blue/indigo/violet. This is not a fault of the camera (Canon and Nikon SLRs have excellent colour balance algorithms) it is simply that the ambient conditions have effectively filtered out the long wavelength colours.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7582/16245669732_94f54b9da5_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7528/16246509445_1ea96d9129_o.jpg)
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You can check this effect out for yourself.
Crocus aerius, Crocus abantensis, Crocus baytopiorum and some of the C. biflorus spp are ideal. You may need to use an artificial light/heat source to keep the flower open until dusk but if you can achieve this then check out the colour of the flowers in these Crocus -there is a hidden beauty that is visible to insect eyes but can barely be appreciated by us except for that short-lived magical time just before dusk (or under very heavy skies -especially when raining/snowing).
To see what Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena should look like in normal daylight check out Ruben's excellent images above.
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Great pictures guys ,thanks for sharing, Crocus season is starting here to .
Crocus fleisheri
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Just one more ......Crocus fleisheri
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wonderfull photos from all Croconuts ;)
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I got this bonny wee crocus many years ago (1994) as a gift from Kath Dryden. I subsequently lost interest in growing plants for over 15 years and during that time I lost many plants. This one declined to a single tiny corm with no label and when it flowered last year (the first for many years) I didn't know what it was. I have recently refurbished the bulb frame that it was rescued from and found the old faded label with Kath's name.
So good that is rescued Steve. Wonderful , do I see some dots on the outside of the petals ?
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Light levels here have been dire for the last 5-6 days with the brief sunny spells being too short to have any impact. As a result many crocus flowers are failing to open.
I can persuade the flower buds to open by placing the plants under a small halogen lamp for about 30 minutes but this light source is of no use for photography resulting in a very false colour balance to the image.
The same issue of light quality arises when trying to photograph flowers in poor winter light -especially when there is thick cloud cover, rain or snow. In these situations the longer wavelength colours (particularly red and to a lesser extent yellow) penetrate poorly whilst the short wavelength high energy colours of blue and violet penetrate well and create an almost phosphorescent effect. In such situations red flowers appear dark or even almost black whilst those with a hint of blue or violet in the flower will almost "fluoresce" these colours.
In comparison the series of this (admittedly quite bluish) clone of Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena were taken under a very heavy sky just as it started to snow. The effect was to produce marked enhancement of the blue/indigo/violet. This is not a fault of the camera (Canon and Nikon SLRs have excellent colour balance algorithms) it is simply that the ambient conditions have effectively filtered out the long wavelength colours.
You can check this effect out for yourself.
Crocus aerius, Crocus abantensis, Crocus baytopiorum and some of the C. biflorus spp are ideal. You may need to use an artificial light/heat source to keep the flower open until dusk but if you can achieve this then check out the colour of the flowers in these Crocus -there is a hidden beauty that is visible to insect eyes but can barely be appreciated by us except for that short-lived magical time just before dusk (or under very heavy skies -especially when raining/snowing).
Interesting to know Steve and that 'Sunspot' is irresistible....
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Thanks Kris!
That's a very attractive Crocus fleischeri.
Well-spotted with the blue danfordiae. The outside of the petals have spotting and faint feathering:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3745/11713206414_002c47135e_o_d.jpg)
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Thanks Steve , looks very nice on the outside !
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Crocus biflorus ssp.issauricus in the morning.
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Crocus biflorus ssp.issauricus after few minutes heating .
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Crocus biflorus ssp.issauricus : again few minutes later. Let's have a look inside .....
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Crocus biflorus ssp.issauricus : seems to have black anthers .... ;D
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Never try to shot in the dark morning, Crocus don't wait for me to be back from work >:(
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Great series of this cracking Crocus Kris!!!
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Crocus biflorus ssp.issauricus : seems to have black anthers .... ;D
So pretty - I'd be thinking Crocus biflorus crewei but yours has more leaves :-\
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Gorgeous Crocus, Kris.
I had some Crocus flowering over the last few days as well !
Crocus atticus ssp nivalis
Crocus imperati (bought as C. corsicus... :( )
Crocus korolkowii 'Spring cocktail'
Crocus korolkowii 'Dark throat'
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A lot of very nice plant being shown.I have a good number in flower but no sun and so they are elongating and falling over before opening.
Three open in the kitchen today
Crocus reticulatus from Turkey (this does not fit the new key and so I am not changing it's name yet.
Crocus cyprius
Crocus danfordiae-note the black spots at the base of the anthers-could this be a new species!
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Nice plants Tony -especially that wee cyprius.
I might be wrong but I think the dark base to the anthers is a feature of danfordiae.
(Or have I risen to the bait?) ;)
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Fantastic pictures .... I have just started getting into Crocus .... species you would recommend??
Corrado
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Fantastic pictures .... I have just started getting into Crocus .... species you would recommend??
Corrado
Any species you find offered are worth having! The more expensive ones may be that way because they are difficult to grow - it's a pretty easy way of reckoning which to try first.
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Lovely crocusses everybody!
That danfordiae (or new species) is really special! Does it grows side by side with crysanthus? Maybe its a cross?
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Ruben
'new species' was a slight hint of scepticism at all the new species now being described in crocus and almost every other genus we are interested in. Those C. danfordiae were collected in 1988 in an area with no C. chrysanthus nearby.
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Any species you find offered are worth having! The more expensive ones may be that way because they are difficult to grow - it's a pretty easy way of reckoning which to try first.
Thanks Maggi! I have bought a few recently that I really liked (in the pictures) but the recent extremely strong winds have scattered all the labels .... I will need your help if they ever flower, I am afraid
Crocus chrysanthus (a few cultivars)
Crocus etruscus
Crocus kotschyanus kotschyanus
Crocus minimus
Crocus sativus
Crocus tommasianus
what do you think? :) .... any good grower / nursery / supplier I should know?? I am trying to focus on botanical species and cultivars: anything you are all in love and it is a must?
Regards
Corrado
Any supplier
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Join the crocus group and take part in the seed exchange. As Maggi says there is not a one you would not wish to grow.
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Join the crocus group and take part in the seed exchange. As Maggi says there is not a one you would not wish to grow.
Sounds like a good idea! Can you send me a link to some information about the Crocus group?
A question .... from seeds? Is it easy to propagate them by seed? Keep in mind this is my first "round" of Crocus ....
Corrado
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Look in the rest of the crocus section of this forum all details of crocus group there
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One in the Crocus biflorus group.It was first of all thought to be ssp pulchcricolor from Ulu Dag but I collected it near Feithye some 400 miles South East.
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Very nice one Tony!
Today lots of rain but the development of crocus goes on!
The first flower of Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandrii. I like the contrast of the dark and white.
Crocus michelsonii, a major version. This one is selected in the Kopet dag Mountians at 2100 meters in Turkmenistan.
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One in the Crocus biflorus group.It was first of all thought to be ssp pulchcricolor from Ulu Dag but I collected it near Feithye some 400 miles South East.
A very intense blue, Tony ! Very attractive !
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A very intense blue, Tony ! Very attractive !
A fantastic wee Crocus!
Apparently Crocus biflorus is sometimes called Scotch Crocus -it's certainly the blue that does it for this Scot!
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A fantastic wee Crocus!
Apparently Crocus biflorus is sometimes called Scotch Crocus -it's certainly the blue that does it for this Scot!
Yes it is a wonderful blue and the colour in the picture is reasonably accurate. I collected it in 1998 not far from Feithye and it was growing with Fritillaria serpenticola Cyclamen alpinum and Primula vulgaris on a lightly wooded site. Unfortunately on a return visit the hillside had been turned into a eucalyptus plantation and the plants were gone.
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Steve the name 'Scotch' Crocus referes to a white flowering plant with dark stripes.
It has its name because it was found in a Scotch garden nearly 100 years ago,
meanwhile it disappeared from trade and I don't know anybody who grows the true form,
but maybe it has survived in lost gardens without knowing.... ???
Its a sterile plant and originates from Crocus biflorus from Italy - these Italian plants
have nothing to do with the Turkish, we must say ex-biflorus, which was meanwhile
confirmed by DNA studies.
But whatever Tonys plant is - its a real beauty and its intense blue is outstanding within the genus :D
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Steve the name 'Scotch' Crocus referes to a white flowering plant with dark stripes.
It has its name because it was found in a Scotch garden nearly 100 years ago,
meanwhile it disappeared from trade and I don't know anybody who grows the true form,
but maybe it has survived in lost gardens without knowing.... ???
Its a sterile plant and originates from Crocus biflorus from Italy - these Italian plants
have nothing to do with the Turkish, we must say ex-biflorus, which was meanwhile
confirmed by DNA studies.
But whatever Tonys plant is - its a real beauty and its intense blue is outstanding within the genus :D
Thanks for this info Thomas!
Yes it is a wonderful blue and the colour in the picture is reasonably accurate. I collected it in 1998 not far from Feithye and it was growing with Fritillaria serpenticola Cyclamen alpinum and Primula vulgaris on a lightly wooded site. Unfortunately on a return visit the hillside had been turned into a eucalyptus plantation and the plants were gone.
It is indeed a superb crocus Tony. It's sad to hear that the original site has been replaced by a sterile Eucalyptus plantation. It is fortunate that you were able to collect a corm when you did, I don't think I've seen a biflorus quite as enchanting!
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Thanks for this info Thomas!
It is indeed a superb crocus Tony. It's sad to hear that the original site has been replaced by a sterile Eucalyptus plantation. It is fortunate that you were able to collect a corm when you did, I don't think I've seen a biflorus quite as enchanting!
These ecucalyptus plantations are becoming a serious threat to biodivdersity everywhere, let alone the amount of water they are driving out of the soil. A real pity!
Regards
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Hallo Hubi , I have a Crocus growing in my garden since the late 1950,s labelled C. biflorus var. 'Parkinsonii' , white fl. and the outer segments with 3 dark purple stripes . Would that crocus be the same as the 'Scotch' Crocus ?
Tony your C. biflorus ssp. ? is a very beautiful shade of blue , sometimes nearly matched by C. aerius .
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Hi Otto.
Sorry, 3 stripes is probably the true biflorus 'Parkinsonii' - Scotch has 5 stripes.
'Parkinsonii' does set a lot of seeds, while 'Scotch' is sterile....
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These ecucalyptus plantations are becoming a serious threat to biodivdersity everywhere, let alone the amount of water they are driving out of the soil. A real pity!
Regards
Tell us about it! Our whole country has been transformed and dried out by eucalypts! ;D
And they are highly flammable!
cheers
fermi
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Still very cold, wet, dark and windy here. However, the sun came out briefly today. All the Crocus flowers are flopping from lack of light.
C. imperati suaveolens
C. minimus
C. sieberi atticus 'Firefly' - a number grown in pots to be brought into the porch in succession to provide cheap and cheerful decoration and looking the best out of them all.
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Today lots of sun and a first spring feeling.
The crocusses opened well. Many pollinators did there job.
My first picture shows my oldest bulbbed- 3 years old.
Crocus korolkowii, from Mongol Tau Mts in Uzbekistan
Crocus michelsonii from Kopet dag in Turkmenistan
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Crocus korolkowii 'Agalik' - very large flowers
Crocus korolkowii from talas Mts in Kyrgyzstan
Crocus sieberii atticus 'Bowles White'
Crocus sieberii atticus ssp. sublimis
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Crocus dalmaticus 'Petrovac'
Crocus fleischeri - one of my favorites
Crocus sieberii 'Firefly'
Crocus fleischeri 'Gulek Pass'
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Crocus ancyrensis 'Golden Bunch'
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Crocus ancyrensis 'Golden Bunch'
This is a real beauty! Are all your crocus in flower outside? Mine are just popping out of the ground ....
Regards
Corrado
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I just love all the things I am seeing on these pages. Super plants everyone.
I have this labelled as C. graveolens, could someone confirm this please as it doesn’t quite match description in books.
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I just love all the things I am seeing on these pages. Super plants everyone.
I have this labelled as C. graveolens, could someone confirm this please as it doesn’t quite match description in books.
Only the marked form is shown in the Crocus Pages on C. graveolens : http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269807916Crocus_graveolens.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269807916Crocus_graveolens.pdf) but İbrahim Sözen shows more variation on his site :
http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/graveolens (http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/graveolens)
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but Zhirair Basmayjan shows more variation on his site :
http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/graveolens (http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/graveolens)
Hi Maggi , isn't it Ibrahim's site ?
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Oh, my! Yes, of course it is Ibrahim's site - İbrahim Sözen - http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk (http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk) :-\
I have made the correction. Thanks, Kris. :-*
I have just been working with some of Zhirair's crocus pix for the IRG and they are also on Ibrahim's site. :)
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Ooooo! Another lovely site. Many thanks.
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You have go me so much into the Crocus with all the pictures and the talks, that you now have me completely hooked and I have ordered a lot of seeds at the seeds exchange, and I am ordering more outside ....
Are the Crocus in the picture from seeds or from bulbs? How long from seeds to flower? Where can I read good instructions on sowing Crocus?
Regards
Corrado
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Crocus atticus ssp sublimis 'MICHAEL HOOG’S MEMORY’
Crocus atticus ssp sublimis
Crocus etruscus
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two common hybrids
Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten'
Crocus Sieberi 'Violet Queen'
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You have go me so much into the Crocus with all the pictures and the talks, that you now have me completely hooked and I have ordered a lot of seeds at the seeds exchange, and I am ordering more outside ....
Are the Crocus in the picture from seeds or from bulbs? How long from seeds to flower? Where can I read good instructions on sowing Crocus?
Regards
Corrado
On average you get Crocus flowers in around 3 years from seed. Ian's Bulb Log has many references to Crocus, as you might imagine!
This Bulb Log is a good starter for you : http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2006/061206/log.html (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/log2006/061206/log.html)
The Index to the Bulb Logs, made by Len Rhind, is here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/index.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/index.pdf)
And all of the Bulb Logs can be accessed from this page http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb) - the Logs from 2009 to the present are on that page, and the page has a link to the logs from 2003 to 2008
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Nice pictures Yann!
But I think you're crocus etruscus looks virused...
Some pictures of the garden today:
Crocus biflorus ssp biflorus var. parkinsonii
Crocus cryanthus 'Ushak Orange'
Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandrii
Crocus pestalozzae - is this species common to somebody? Is this normal with blue tips?
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Crocus adenensis
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Ruben i was waiting to see full opening flowers to put the pot in quarantaine.
If it doesn't set seeds=> compost :-\
Most of my crocuses with virus are from the same source.
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Oooouch! Disaster stroke!!!! Just been around the garden and something or someone went to the pot where I had planted crocus minumus, dug some holes and eaten most of the bulbs .... only some broken buds left .... what could it be???? Birds or rodents?
Regards
Corrado
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usually rodents :o
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usually rodents :o
Noooooo! What type of rodents eat Crocus bulbs? Is there a way of protecting the pots?
What shall I do now? Dig everything out to see what can be salvaged, or shall i leave everything as it is and wait for spring?
Regards
Corrado
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All those wonderful Crocus, here's some of mine which were flowering during the last week:
Crocus atticus 'M. Hoog's Memory'
Crocus biflorus subsp. punctatus
Crocus fleischeri 'Gulek Pass' (2 x)
and Crocus michelsonii
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Noooooo! What type of rodents eat Crocus bulbs? Is there a way of protecting the pots?
What shall I do now? Dig everything out to see what can be salvaged, or shall i leave everything as it is and wait for spring?
Regards
Corrado
Mice once dug in from above and ate all my yellow flowering crocuses, they didn't touch the blue and white flowering ones which were in between them...never had that happen again...maybe they just had a taste for yellow Crocusses that year. Pots you can protect by putting them in a "cage" where the rodents can't get in.
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Today's Crocus flowering with the warmth of the sun on the glass house.
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Yann, etruscus is very susceptible for virus.
Ross, very nice to see babadagensis en taseliensis in a collection! Are they good growers for you? You got them out of seed?
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Thanks Ruben, I got them from Janis Ruksans. I am really enjoying them as they nose up through the compost and then open up to show us their glory.
I am very jealous of so many of the photos I see, my wish list just gets longer and longer.
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A couple of Crocus today
C. hartmannianus and C. fleisheri
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A couple of Crocus today
C. hartmannianus and C. fleisheri
Both gorgeous, Oron, but the hartmannianus is exquisite !!
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Stunning Oron!!!
C. hartmannianus is particularly superb. It's a shame it's so rare and unobtainable.
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Nice Crocus hartmannianus, Oron.
Here 2°C and full sun.
The first Crocus open in the frame.
Crocus fibroannulatus and
'' hartmannianus
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A couple of Crocus today
C. hartmannianus and C. fleisheri
Great C. hartmannianus Oron ! Here it is flowering to but due the lack of good light it looks not so good as yours . (first 3 images )
Some other Crocus seems to react better on this lack of light.
Crocus fleisheri (Chios form) e.g. (image 4 )
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Stunning Oron!!!
C. hartmannianus is particularly superb. It's a shame it's so rare and unobtainable.
Maybe we can swap next summer Steve ;)
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Nice hartmannianus everybody!
I also like the fibroannulatus Dirk. Do you have a picture of the style? Is it also striped?
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More sunshine today at the Picton Garden opened up some more flowers, much to our delight.
C. Cyprius - lost some of the blue in the photo, is a bit darker.
C. fleischeri
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Very nice indeed Ross.
Crocus nubigena . (Turkish form from Janis )
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Love the shadows in your pictures, Ross. Get working with Photoshop - black crocuses 8)
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Maybe we can swap next summer Steve ;)
I really hope I have something you want Kris! ;)
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I really hope I have something you want Kris! ;)
I am pretty sure Steve , no worries ;)
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First time flowering here : Crocus taseliensis .
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marvellous Kris
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marvellous Kris
Thanks Yann , but now the real thing....keep them going for more then one year .....
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Crocus sieberi subsp. atticus ‘Stunner’ - one of the easiest crocuses at here.
Crocus ‘Sunspot’ - just started to bloom today.
Crocus michelsonii - my favorite.
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First time flowering here : Crocus taseliensis .
Nice one Kris!!!
Crocus sieberi subsp. atticus ‘Stunner’ - one of the easiest crocuses at here.
Crocus ‘Sunspot’ - just started to bloom today.
Crocus michelsonii - my favorite.
Lovely compact plants YT!!!
I wish I could keep my michelsonii as compact and neat as this!
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Very nice pictures YT!
Today cold but Sunny weather.
Crocus sieberii atticus 'Bowles White'
Crocus sieberii atticus ssp. sublimis
Crocus korolkowii from Varzob mountians in Tadjikistan
Crocus michelsonii
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Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandrii - one of my favorites
The first crocusses in the damp shadow starts flowering. One is very EARLY. I got is this summer and its flowering here for the first time. Neighbours of it like veluchiensis, abantenis(almost in flower) and heuffelianus are just coming up.
Can somebody gave me a possible reason of the early flowering time?
But i'm so happy to see it cause its such a beauty! Crocus cvijicii x velechiensis 'Rainbow Gold'
Crocus herbertii
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Crocus ‘Sunspot’ - just started to bloom today.
It is flowering here to Tatsuo.... ;D
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Crocus laevigatus in the wild, Greece, January 2015
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Crocus laevigatus in the wild, Greece, January 2015
Splendid pictures Dimitri .... are these three different clones?
Regards
Corrado
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Splendid pictures Dimitri .... are these three different clones?
Regards
Corrado
yes, different clones
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yes, different clones
The first from the top is quite extraordinary.
Regards
Corrado
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Lovely compact plants YT!!!
I wish I could keep my michelsonii as compact and neat as this!
You should move to Gibraltar or Northern Morocco, Steve ;D Their latitude are almost same as my place.
Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandrii - one of my favorites
Me, too, ruben! Its white margined dark purple exterior is so cute :)
It is flowering here to Tatsuo.... ;D
Kris, that is the flowering size bulb ;) Naturally very small ;D
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YT, I'm very envious of the compact habit of your michelsonii. Light levels being what they are in my greenhouse, every single year it invariably etiolates and flops over, to the point I'm thinking of giving them away (maybe) >:(
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Crocus rujanensis
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the point I'm thinking of giving them away (maybe) >:(
Alex, give them to me (maybe) ;D ;D ;D
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Crocus michelsonii and C. ‘Sunspot’ again.
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Tatsuo , what a wonderful pot full of compact C. chrys. "Sunspot" and michelsonii and beautiful presented . Congratulations on your growing skills .
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Crocus michelsonii and C. ‘Sunspot’ again.
Superb display YT !!! Fantastic !
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Thank you, Otto and Luc :) I'm lucky growing crocus on outside bench for keeping them in compact.
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Crocus michelsonii and C. ‘Sunspot’ again.
Fantastic YT! If you ever have one bulb too many .... ;D
Corradp
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Crocus biflorus ssp. alexandrii in full flower today
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Damn this one is catch eyes
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Crocus crysanthus 'Herald'
Crocus alatavicus
Crocus vitellinus
Crocus sieberii ssp. sieberii ex crete
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Crocus atticus ssp atticus Ronald Ginns
Crocus atticus sublimis MICHAEL HOOG’S MEMORY’ (Janis)
Crocus biflorus weldenii 'Fairy' (and not Albus, thx Thomas)
Crocus chrysanthus 'Herald'
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Crocus vitellinus
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It's so wonderful to see all those beautiful Crocus in the sun here, my plants have been covered with snow today.
Tatsuo, your plants seem to feel very well in your climate!
Ruben, it would be interesting to see another photo of your 'Herald' when its open. From your photo it looks like the yellow colour is to bright - Yann's plant looks true with its softer yellow colour.
Yann, your biflorus looks like the cultivar 'Fairy' - 'Albus' is white all over without any other colour.
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Thomas you're right, sorry i made a mistake labelling my photo. It's Fairy.
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some very lovely flowers,it seems to be a good year so far.
Two in flower today
Crocus nevadensis
Crocus vernus ( I have kept it as this although I think they have all been renamed but i do not have the details)
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some very lovely flowers,it seems to be a good year so far.
Two in flower today
Crocus nevadensis
Crocus vernus ( I have kept it as this although I think they have all been renamed but i do not have the details)
Nice soft colour Tony . Sunny afternoon here today .....
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Lovely crocus from all. Apart from varieties of Crocus michelsonii, C. aerius and C. chrysanthus 'Sunspot', there is not much in flower here as it has been cold over the last 2 weeks. The ground is still frozen.
Kris, you must have good light levels for the flowers to be on short stems. The best place to grow Crocus must be Japan as Tatsuo has shown on numerous occasions.
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Crocus crysanthus 'Herald'
wow!! :o
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Kris, you must have good light levels for the flowers to be on short stems. The best place to grow Crocus must be Japan as Tatsuo has shown on numerous occasions.
Hi Cyril , I put some near the roof of the glashouse . First weeks of january it was not possible to have short flower stems here because it was not cold enough and to cloudy. Now we had more open weather and light frost and this is much better .
But I like them with short stems , like the second flower on this Crocus bafflers ssp. issauricus .
Also 'Sunspot' is short enough.
In the case of C. taseliensis we can see the difference between the flower from the first period en the flowers from now.
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Kris, these crocus are well grown and compact, the way I like them. Scottish weather has been rather dull and damp and my C. 'Sunspot' is a little elongated. I love the C. taseliensis, one of the newly described species, wonderful combination of white petals, yellow and black stamens, red style with speckling on the reverse of the outer petals. I have asked Janis and Liga for this but no reply yet.
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Crocus biflorus alexandri
quite pleased with this as it camee from a random collection of crocus seed pods I made on Mt Falackro in Northern Greece most of which are C. pulchellus.
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Crocus biflorus alexandri
quite pleased with this as it camee from a random collection of crocus seed pods I made on Mt Falackro in Northern Greece most of which are C. pulchellus.
:o :o :o I can imagine that you are pleased Tony !
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Wow Tony!!! :o
A real serendipitous find!
This is indeed a stunning crocus!
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A chance find that one can only dream of. Stunning!
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A Stunning form Tony!
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Lovely, Tony- hard to think of another with such a full cover of that depth of colour on the outers which make it so "yummy"
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Fabulous form Tony.
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Crocus biflorus alexandri
quite pleased with this as it camee from a random collection of crocus seed pods I made on Mt Falackro in Northern Greece most of which are C. pulchellus.
Very special Tony.
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Kris, these crocus are well grown and compact, the way I like them. Scottish weather has been rather dull and damp and my C. 'Sunspot' is a little elongated. I love the C. taseliensis, one of the newly described species, wonderful combination of white petals, yellow and black stamens, red style with speckling on the reverse of the outer petals. I have asked Janis and Liga for this but no reply yet.
Thanks Cyril . For me it is not only a matter of quantity but also of quality ;) But as you say , if you get dull weather for weeks then it is over .....
Sure Janis or Liga wil answer and other wise..... ;)
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With many thanks to the nice gentleman who share this with me ......Crocus sieberi ssp. sieberi
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And the conditions of sieberi ssp. sieberi in Crete .....
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Crocus biflorus alexandri
quite pleased with this as it camee from a random collection of crocus seed pods I made on Mt Falackro in Northern Greece most of which are C. pulchellus.
Only 'quite' pleased. That is unbelievably beautiful.
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Kris
lovely pictures from Crete,I have never seen them in such quantity.
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Crocus biflorus alexandri
quite pleased with this as it camee from a random collection of crocus seed pods I made on Mt Falackro in Northern Greece most of which are C. pulchellus.
You've got every reason to be happy with this one Tony, it's a gem !!
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Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii.
Nice form sent to me by Lesley Cox :-*
If you read this Lesley - please can you let us know where you got it from - thanks!
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Really super photo Tony! A proper bulb frame is beckoning more and more, plus a diversion towards crocus from the snowdrops we have been collecting over the past few years. In the garden we have had big trouble with rabbits in the past but are now properly fenced and it would be good to establish more crocus outside too (don't too often see these pictured here?)
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Lovely Tony. Excellent coverage of colour on the outers and just the faintest blush to the tips of the inners. A lovely form.
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Another special crocus. Crocus reticulatus, form from Mt Falakro, Greece. Original collection David Stephens 2002, these are seedlings from 2005 seed. Freshly open today .... indoors, it's perishing cold outside. Just two or three corms, flowering well. Little chance of seed set in this cold weather but I will hand pollinate in a day or two, bring them onto a cool windowsill overnight ... and pray!
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Edit by my : Seems this plant may be the recently named Crocus orphei
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Luscious photo of these photogenic little gems, Tony.
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Very good forms of Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii and C. reticulatus Tony.
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Very good forms of Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii and C. reticulatus Tony.
Thank you - time constraints and a feeling that you'll have seen them all before mean I am limiting my posts to the more noteworthy plants.
(It's still lovely to see what everyone else has in flower though :) )
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Crocus biflorus ssp. biflorus var. parkinsonii
Crocus sieberii atticus 'Bowles White'
Crocus hittiticus
Crocus tommasinianus 'Roseus'
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Crocus sieberii ssp. sieberii ex crete
Crocus crysanthus 'Herald'
Crocus crysanthus 'Ushak Orange'
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Your crocus season is well on the way Ruben. So much colour already. Thank you for showing. Here it is bitterly cold and nothing is moving.
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Great show, Ruben ! I love the C. sieberi sieberi :o
Some more in flower over here :
Crocus biflorus ssp adamii
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri - the blue on the outers is almost black :o
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Some more :
Crocus gargaricus and Crocus herbertii, both a wonderful orange shade.
Crocus sieberi 'George'
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Amazing pictures and species! From seeds or from bulbs?
Best,
Corrado
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Thank you Corrado.
It's a mix, actually.
herbertii and gargaricus are from seed (sown 2010), whereas the others were obtained as bulbs.
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Thanks Luc! Great job .... is it the first year the flower? How long did it take from seeds to flower?
Best,
Corrado
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Some more in flower over here :
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri - the blue on the outers is almost black
Luc,
That is a fantastic crocus, congratulations! :o
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Thanks Oron, I'm very happy with it as well !
Thanks Luc! Great job .... is it the first year the flower? How long did it take from seeds to flower?
Best,
Corrado
Sown in 2010, first time to flower, Corrado.
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Not a sunny day.
I can only take a picture of the outside...
Crocus versicolor
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Crocus adanensis, JJA 339.701
Turkey, Adana, NE of Duzice. Ex a N. Stevens coll.
This is the first flower from seeds :)
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Another special crocus. Crocus reticulatus, form from Mt Falakro, Greece. Original collection David Stephens 2002, these are seedlings from 2005 seed. Freshly open today .... indoors, it's perishing cold outside. Just two or three corms, flowering well. Little chance of seed set in this cold weather but I will hand pollinate in a day or two, bring them onto a cool windowsill overnight ... and pray!
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It isn't C. reticulatus, but just recently named Crocus orphei - very special species from very isolated but quite large population. Unfortunately not seen by me in nature. I three times went there to search for it and allways were stopped by late snowfall.
Janis
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Great show, Ruben ! I love the C. sieberi sieberi :o
Some more in flower over here :
Crocus biflorus ssp adamii
Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri - the blue on the outers is almost black :o
Hi Luc,
C. alexandri - is it wild form or Dutch garden cultivar?
Janis
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Here still is winter. The mildest in my memory - only two nights with minus 17 C, but in general not lower than minus 10-12 , mostly only slightly below zero. Hope that February and March will not bring bad weather surprises. But several earliest (Central Asian) crocuses are showing flower buds. At present I saw flowers only of those which I brought inside on my bathrooms windowsill for herbariums.
Janis
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It isn't C. reticulatus, but just recently named Crocus orphei - very special species from very isolated but quite large population. Unfortunately not seen by me in nature. I three times went there to search for it and allways were stopped by late snowfall.
Janis
Thank you Janis - I had a feeling that this had been given species rank.
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Dark day not so much flowers this week.
Crocus paschei
Crocus rujanensis
Crocus versicolor 'NR 1'
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Crocus chrysanthus, JJA 343.210
Turkey, Kartal Geçidi. 1560m. Ex LST 068A.
This is the first flower from seeds, too :)
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Hi Luc,
C. alexandri - is it wild form or Dutch garden cultivar?
Janis
Hi Janis, I think it is a Dutch garden cultivar.
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Crocus biflorus ssp alexandri - the blue on the outers is almost black :o
Hi Janis, I think it is a Dutch garden cultivar.
Unique colour Luc, the black on the reverse of the outers is very eye-catching. Has it got a cultivar name?
Only 2 crocus in flower outside:
Crocus imperati 'De Jager' (I have this in the garden since 1992).
Crocus olivieri (obtained as C. olivieri istanbulensis which it is not, according to the corm).
Crocus aerius (a dark form) in the greenhouse refuses to open.
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Unique colour Luc, the black on the reverse of the outers is very eye-catching. Has it got a cultivar name?
I don't know a cultivar name of Luc's wonderful plant - it is listed in the KAVB Checklist from 1996 as:
biflorus ssp alexandrii, 1894, SW Bulgaria, S Yugoslavia, FCC-RHS 1987
Bowles mentions it as form of Crcus biflorus in his 'Handbook of crocus and colchicum' and shows a drawing that looks like Luc's plant with its dark outer petals.
Unfortunately Jacobsen and van Scheepen don't mention it in their 1996 article about Crocus chrysanthus/biflorus cultivars, but they show the cultivar 'Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii 'Major' with clearly blue outer petals, which was shown by Ruben some days ago as Crocus alexandrii.
All are great garden plants, hardy even in bad winters and I really loven them all :D :D :D
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Unique colour Luc, the black on the reverse of the outers is very eye-catching. Has it got a cultivar name?
I do not have a cultivar name, Cyril, but I'm quite happy with the information Thomas just mentioned ! Thanks a lot Thomas.
I must add that I'm very happy with the plant !
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Thank you for this information Thomas.
I must add that I'm very happy with the plant !
Luc, it's easy to understand why you are happy with the plant, in fact you should be delighted!
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It is a lovely plant Luc, reminded me of cultivar LadyKiller but looking at Thomas's reference pictures of this, yours is not quite the same. However (risking controversy) yours does look very like Ruben's C biflorus alexandrii, pictured a few pages back. The lighting is different which may account for the seemingly very dark colour of yours but maybe they came from the same source??
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It is a lovely plant Luc, reminded me of cultivar LadyKiller but looking at Thomas's reference pictures of this, yours is not quite the same. However (risking controversy) yours does look very like Ruben's C biflorus alexandrii, pictured a few pages back. The lighting is different which may account for the seemingly very dark colour of yours but maybe they came from the same source??
As far as I know, they did come from the same source, Tony... and I've also been thinking of the lighting. I must say though, that my picture does reflect the colours seen with the naked eye... I'm hoping for some sun and warmth to take more pix of the open flowers. Obviously, I will post them here then. :D