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Soldanella from Bucegi Massif
« on: January 20, 2018, 04:47:05 PM »
I  start this topic here in the hope Josef will see it.
Very short - this summer In S. Carpathians while scrambling on a steep slope in the lookout for S. pusilla (actually I was a bit lost at some point) I stumbled upon a Soldanella a bit particular.
Unfortunately in such situations I keep the camera safe in the backpack, so no pictures of the plant which was in the company of Rhododendron myrtifolium on a grassy ledge, +/- 1100 m - corrected 2100 m. I didn't collect leaves either but took some whole capsules with the pedicels. The reason I notice it were the deep purple capsules.

I won't mention here various articles about this complicated genera that Josef knows about, and anyway I don't have enough material to try to match it.  I am curious if someone else knows about similar collections made in the S. Carpathians, or surrounding mountain ranges.
Thanks for all opinions.

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Re: Soldanella from Bucegi Massif
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2018, 09:21:49 AM »
You wrote to my personal account which I should read regularly, it may be deleted after three months otherwise.
Surprising how time is running, I have read it today and the account still exists.
I found a plant with similarly violet capsules in Nízke Tatry mountains many years ago too.
In Bucegi mountains, Soldanella hungarica sensu stricto is expected.
Capsules are not sufficient for exact determination.
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Re: Soldanella from Bucegi Massif
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2018, 04:22:26 PM »
Hello Josef - yes, time goes by fast.

Thank you for your opinion. Reading back my post in the excitation of the moment I gave a wrong alt. - it was 2100 m not 1100.
I know capsules are not enough for ID, I just wanted to show the very particular blunt calyx lobes. Since then, SEM pictures were taken of the glandular hairs on petioles to compare with the others two I know and collect seeds in Bucegi: S. hungarica s. str. and another that I give as S. major s.l.

It is different from both of them. It may be a hybrid or something else from S. major group, looks close with what Zhang described as S. oreodoxa.
It will have to wait until I go back to wander on the mountain there.
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Re: Soldanella from Bucegi Massif
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2018, 03:25:34 PM »
This seems to be the same taxon. Certainly not being  Soldanella major as encountered in Austria.
http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Primulaceae_Soldanella_major_90176.html
It is probably an image by you too.
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Re: Soldanella from Bucegi Massif
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2018, 01:47:47 AM »
Yes Josef, most times I don't wander by myself in the mountains.
In any case, this is a project that will have to wait for more plant material; anything else would be just speculation.
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Re: Soldanella from Bucegi Massif
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2018, 11:57:07 AM »
Yes Josef, most times I don't wander by myself in the mountains.
In any case, this is a project that will have to wait for more plant material; anything else would be just speculation.
Other people have analogous projects.
https://www.researchgate.net/project/Genetic-morphological-and-karyological-variation-of-genus-Soldanella
By a Slovak-Swiss consortium analyzing large amounts of data.
https://www.researchgate.net/project/Soldanella
By me.
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Re: Soldanella from Bucegi Massif
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 02:21:50 AM »
Thanks for the links Josef.
I was aware of your work on Soldanella genus; reason why I contacted you.
As I said, if it happens to collect more material I may pursue further with it just because I would like to know what name to assign to it.

But this is a 'hobby project'; time and resources are allocated for other things. I leave it to the Europeans to do the serious work on Soldanella :)
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