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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2012, 11:06:53 AM »
Thanks for the IDs and comments Oron.

Certainly the dense immature inflorescence on this 'M. dionysicum' resembles that of Leopoldia tenuiflora.  However the plant is robust (35-40 cm) with strong ascending foliage, and pedicels elongate to about 1 cm in due course, rather different in those respects from what I have as tenuiflora (thinner, broader, rather lax foliage; shorter pedicels, smaller size overall).  Maybe this just reflects variation between populations but unfortunately I have little provenance information, except that the 'M. dionysicum' came from a commercial source under collection number AH8965 so presumably derived from Antoine Hoog's collection from Mt Grammos, Ioannina, Greece of what is now Leopoldia weisii.

I'll post again later when both are mature.
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2012, 12:01:06 AM »
Muscari dionysicum is now fully developed so I can compare it with M. tenuiflorum.


What I have as M. dionysicum AH8965 (syn. for Leopoldia weissii, or according to Martin Philippo M. comosum 'Epirus Giant') has: (pix 1-3)
  • yellow teeth
  • open mouth
  • pedicels 6-10 mm at flowering, lengthening to 12-15 mm later (i.e. somewhat longer than Peter Davis describes in The Flora of Turkey)
  • leaves emerging late (late March-April here), ascending, fleshy, remain green to tips, shorter than scape

Therefore this plant from NW Greece is somewhat distinct from the form of L. weissii you showed from Rhodes Oron.


By contrast, this form of Muscari tenuiflorum (syn. of Leopoldia tenuiflora, from a collection N of Refahye, Turkey via Jānis) has: (pix 4-6)
  • black teeth
  • constricted mouth
  • pedicels c. 2 mm that elongate very little after flowering
  • leaves emerging early (December/January here), lax, thin, die back extensively at tips but longer than scape
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2012, 06:23:27 AM »
Thanks Ashley!

Definitely different from the populations in the south Mediterranean.
Thanks for showing it.
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #78 on: September 06, 2012, 09:37:34 AM »
Muscari mcbeathianum - grown from SRGC seedex 2004 - not its first flowering, though.
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #79 on: September 07, 2012, 08:28:02 AM »
Some more muscari and a relative,
Muscari muscarimi
Bellevalia pycnantha
seedling Muscari ex "Gul [Delight]"
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #80 on: November 05, 2012, 12:30:42 PM »
Can i ask if anybody has any info on this Muscari sp http://www.ozgurdoga.net/aciklamacicek/Muscari_vuralii.htm
To me looks like macbeathianum
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #81 on: November 05, 2012, 12:32:46 PM »
Muscari mcbeathianum - grown from SRGC seedex 2004 - not its first flowering, though.
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Fermi you have made me a very happy chap posting a pic of my favourite little muscari sp a real gem and one i am waiting on delivery of.Beautiful.
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #82 on: November 05, 2012, 12:46:47 PM »
Can i ask if anybody has any info on this Muscari sp http://www.ozgurdoga.net/aciklamacicek/Muscari_vuralii.htm
To me looks like macbeathianum
Closely related, I think.

This from the Wiley page about the original paper :

Muscari vuralii sp. nov. (Liliaceae/Hyacinthaceae) from south Anatolia, Turkey
Süleyman Doğu,
Yavuz Bağcı
Article first published online: 23 MAR 2009

DOI: 10.1111/j.1756-1051.2009.00427.x

© 2009 The Authors

Nordic Journal of Botany

Volume 27, Issue 3, pages 243–246, June 2009

Muscari vuralii Y. Bağcı & Doğu sp. nov. (Liliaceae/Hyacinthaceae) from the Karaman (C4 Karaman–Turkey) is described and illustrated. It is closely related to M. coeleste Fomin and M. macbeathianum Kit Tan. Diagnostic morphological characters are discussed and a key to related Muscari species in Turkey is given. The geographical distribution of the new species is mapped. Notes are also presented on its ecology, biogeography and conservation status.
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« Reply #83 on: November 05, 2012, 01:15:15 PM »
Cheers for that Maggie it has been put on top of my wants list,i love the bicolor flower dark inner and small nature win win and win again and would be nice on the show bench.
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #84 on: November 05, 2012, 10:34:35 PM »
Fermi you have made me a very happy chap posting a pic of my favourite little muscari sp a real gem and one i am waiting on delivery of.Beautiful.
Cheers, Davey,
I origianlly bought one from Marcus Harvey, but had this one flower from seed as well, so hopefully I'll be able to set seed on it if I get a paint-brush small enough!
I like that new species :o Let me know if you find a source!
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #85 on: November 28, 2012, 09:42:42 AM »
I will Fermi,in the mean time could somebody tell me if Muscari heldreichii is a synonym of Muscari botryoides please.
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Re: Muscari ...... and relatives 2012
« Reply #86 on: November 28, 2012, 10:01:48 AM »
.......... could somebody tell me if Muscari heldreichii is a synonym of Muscari botryoides please.
It is according to the Kew Plantlist, Davey:

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-281844
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