Geranium ID wanted

[maggiepie]

This was grown from seed labelled G. madeira which I see is G. maderense.
Not sure this is maderense, I wondered if it might be G. canariense but leaves don't look right for it.
The plant has been through several frosts without seeming to do it too much harm but I have just dug it up and am going to attempt to winter it indoors.
Would be very happy if someone can ID it for me.

[mark smyth]

I think it's G. yeoi which I think is the new name for G. rubescens.

Is there a trunk under all those leaves or does it look like a giant G. robertianum?
http://www.marksgardenplants.com/rubescens.html

[maggiepie]

Mark, I wouldn't say it has a trunk but I noticed the bottom leaves were lying on the ground and seemed to be acting like anchors if that makes any sense.
Could be the start of a trunk?

I've never grown G. robertianum so can't give an opinion there.

If it is G. rubescens, how hardy is it and how long does it take to flower?
This plant has been growing in a really lovely mound, I have one other still in the garden which has the same shape.

[Lesley Cox]

G. maderense has a definite trunk and makes a tall plant, to a metre or even more if in good conditions. I saw a white-flowered form this last summer. Very nice.

[maggiepie]

Lesley, I had G. maderense ( pink )  in Oz but can't remember what it looked like when young.
Think it took some years to flower and then croaked but it was magnificent.
When does maderense start to grow a trunk, in its first year?

I will try and get a pic of the inside of the plant tomorrow if it doesn't get crisped tonight.

[fleurbleue]

May be G. palmatum, a little hardier than maderense... 

[mark smyth]

G. rubescens has soft stems and a very short trunk and from memory, mine died out, a flatish over wintering rosette at ground level. The leaves are not sturdy. It grows in year one, flowers in year two and dies that winter.

My G. canariense, sadly also died out, also had a short truck but the rosette of leaves was held above ground level.

G. maderense Guernsey White

[mark smyth]

Are the leaves on your plant succulent or soft. Take another photo looking side ways from ground level.

[maggiepie]

Mark, am not sure the are succulent, they are very thick and strong, they don't get droopy although now it is out of the ground they might.
I might have left it too late to dig up as today I see some crisped and blackened leaves.

Hope these pics help, the plant is just sitting in a bin at the moment.

[maggiepie]

May be G. palmatum, a little hardier than maderense... 

Nicole, I had a palmatum a few years ago but it was potted and never did get very big.
Can't really remember exactly what the leaves looked like but don't think they were as sturdy as these.

[Lesley Cox]

I don't know the others there Helen but I'm pretty sure maderense is monocarpic anyway so it would die after flowering. I don't have it here but a friend does, and she gets seedlings after the demise.

From those leaf pictures, it would be pretty hard to tell difference between any of those species.

[mark smyth]

sorry I only just realised I didnt edit the leaf photos 

[maggiepie]

Mark, I don't think the leaves on mine look like any of those pics.
 

Lesley, if mine turns out to be maderense, it doesn't have an icicles chance in hell of ever making it to flowering.

 

[mark smyth]

Are the leaf stems on your plant pliable or hard and snap easily. All except rubescens have thick fleshy leaves and leaf stems that snap off when bent

[maggiepie]

Mark, I thought they were pliable but just tried one and it snapped.
It is below zero in the garage at the moment though.
Think it might be a goner.