Crocus October 2007

[tonyg]

Yes and No!  Yes, Crocus wattiorum is autumn flowering but it has now been separated from Crocus biflorus as a distinct species which leaves the biflorus group with just the one autumn flowering subspecies ... unless someone else knows differently

The Crocus Pages web site needs some revision ... and I need to buy some time

[mark smyth]

If you want help with a new one I would be happy to put it together for you. All forms of thecrocuspages. are available

[I.S.]

  There are anoher autumn flowering from biflorus series. It is very nice one but I couldn't see yet.
C. biflorus nerimaniae from sw. Turkey where Kees planning to go.

[tonyg]

I have not seen C nerimanae  yet either ... and in the UK it is accorded full species status rather than subspecies status.  From the little I know it has affinities with C wattiorum and of course both are in series biflori which links them closely to Crocus biflorus.

[udo]

Some crocus from the last days:
Cr.hadriaticus semi plena
Cr.mathewii rose' form
Cr.tournefortii x boryi , thanks Tony
Cr.tournefortii 'Alba'
Cr.biflorus ssp.melantherus

[mark smyth]

I must cross pollinate some of mine

[I.S.]

  Hi. Tony!
You are also right. I did not see C. nerimania closely. I have only some pictures. It looks to me near to biflorus with yellow center. But if you take out C. biflorus wattiorum from biflorus group then You need to take out C. biflorus nerimaniae too. These are very close to each other. They have located in the same mountain and C. nerimaniae has another location also from south west Tr. They might be relative.
Here are some links.
http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/fen/biyoloji/akademik/AlbumGoster.php?islem=goster&AlbumNo=4
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Complete%20Collection/Iridaceae/Crocus/Subgen%20Nudiscapus%20Ser%20Biflori/C.%20nerimaniae/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/anatolianwildirisis/crocus_cancellatus_ssp_mazziaricus.html

[I.S.]

  Dirk!
What a strange hadriaticus that one.
Thanks to every one for nice postings.

[tonyg]

Ibrahim
Thanks for the additional information.  The Geocities site has a wealth of interesting pictures - and not just crocuses!
All the biflorus group crocuses in this region are so beautiful.  The names may be a challenge for us to work out but the plants are what matter and they are fantastic.  It is great to be able to share information in this way.  One day I shall come and see them for myself.

[I.S.]

   Mark!
If I was instead of you. I would not do that!
It hurts me to disturb the originalty of plants like Dirk's mathewii!!
The beauty of plans came from of evolition by polinateur thousands of years.

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Great series of pix Udo !
That C. mathewii rose form looks fabulous !

[David Shaw]

No luck yet in finding the nasty little bug eating my crocus. On a happier note here are some pics that I took yesterday in the sun.
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus medius
Crocus goulimyi
A happy bee pollinating C. goulimyi

[mark smyth]

David your bee is what us common folk would call a hoverfly but the experts, like Anthony, would call a drone fly

[David Shaw]

Wasn'ae doin much hoverin' when I saw it!
I agree that it is a hoverfly rather than a bee but still doing the same good work.

[Armin]

  Hi. Tony!
You are also right. I did not see C. nerimania closely. I have only some pictures. It looks to me near to biflorus with yellow center. But if you take out C. biflorus wattiorum from biflorus group then You need to take out C. biflorus nerimaniae too. These are very close to each other. They have located in the same mountain and C. nerimaniae has another location also from south west Tr. They might be relative.
Here are some links.
http://www.istanbul.edu.tr/fen/biyoloji/akademik/AlbumGoster.php?islem=goster&AlbumNo=4
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Complete%20Collection/Iridaceae/Crocus/Subgen%20Nudiscapus%20Ser%20Biflori/C.%20nerimaniae/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/anatolianwildirisis/crocus_cancellatus_ssp_mazziaricus.html

Tony thanks for the clarification and thanks Ibrahim to the link of C. biflorus nerimaniae - its very beautiful