Lilium 2011

[Pascal B]

Couldn't find a thread already but due to the plants being in the greenhouse they probably flower earlier than outside so I might as well start the Lilium 2011 thread with Lilium mackliniae. Coming from Cox it was supposed to be the dark Nagaland form but it seems too pale for that so I have to hope the seeds send by Liz Mills will eventually make me see the real thing.....

[Maggi Young]

Pascal, I would think that that lily outside would be darker. It is likely to be rather bleached by being grown under glass.

[Pascal B]

You mean because of the warmer temps? It is grown in between my Asarum and that is a heavy shaded part of the glasshouse.

[Maggi Young]

Rhododendrons, lilies, maybe even most garden plants that are grown or opened under glass have a tendency to bleached flowers.  Higher temps. less light, all add up to paler flowers.

[jshields]

Many plants with red flowers, in tropical or subtropical settings, tend to fade out to rose or orange colors when grown in lower light levels.  The red colors, due to anthocyanins, do not develop so strongly in low light levels as they do in higher light levels.  This is due to the relation of red anthocyanin pigment formation to protection from high light and especially high UV levels.

Jim

[Pascal B]

Ok, I was unfamiliar with that effect, I was expecting the inside of the flowers to be as dark as the outside. Will ask Anne Chambers if hers are darker as she has from the same batch and grows outside.

The temperate Arisaema I grow under glass don't really seem to be bothered with this effect luckily and neither do the Asarum. Would this also cause bleaching out in between the veins of Lilium leaves? I can't really asses whether I have imported some with virus or not.... Will try to make a picture of such leaves tomorrow.

[johnw]

Rhododendrons, lilies, maybe even most garden plants that are grown or opened under glass have a tendency to bleached flowers.  Higher temps. less light, all add up to paler flowers.

Absolutely right Maggi. We grow some regular L. macklinae in the greenhouse and they are faintly pink quickly aging to white. Pascal's will be sensational outdoors you can be sure.  Our gereenhouse temperatures are very cool so you can almost rule that out as a factor.

johnw

[Pascal B]

I hope Maggi agrees Nomocharis are more or less part of Lilium so I can post it here, the first Nomocharis I had in flower, N. farreri. At least, it is similar to the pictures of this species at the Genus Lilum website but can't be key'ed out with the key in the Flora of China because according to the FoC, N. farreri has no lacerate margins of the inner petals...

[Tony Willis]

My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China

[Pascal B]

I was lucky enough to get some virus-free, flowering size bulbs of Lilum rubellum last year straight from Japan and after loosing my seedgrown plants in the past I am glad to have it back and sniff the fragrance again.....

Oh, and yes, the pollen is really that vivid orange. I can still see it on my white shirt...

[David Nicholson]

Lilium oxypetalum var insigne- this one from Susan Band's List and it's a little cracker about 20cm tall. About two weeks earlier than last year.

[PeterT]

Very beautifull David 

[David Nicholson]

Thank you Peter, it may set seed, it did last year, if you would like some PM me.

[gote]

My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China

Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte

[gote]

I hope Maggi agrees Nomocharis are more or less part of Lilium so I can post it here, the first Nomocharis I had in flower, N. farreri. At least, it is similar to the pictures of this species at the Genus Lilum website but can't be key'ed out with the key in the Flora of China because according to the FoC, N. farreri has no lacerate margins of the inner petals...

Hello,
I think it fits the description in FoC quite well. At least more like farreri than anything else. One has to take aslight variation in count.
Cheers Göte
PS
My nomocharis are just emerging.