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Narcissus ID confirmation sought
« on: September 17, 2010, 03:34:12 PM »
Friends, new Member "BrooklynGirl" , Lola, asks if we can give a confirmation of the ID ofthese narcissus pictured in the wild on a Greentours trip to Iberia and Morocco in late Feb/March ( where she met Anne Wright)

Here are 2 pics she's  not sure about........

Narcissus assoanus x N. panizzianus, Spain   ??
Narcissus assoanus x N. panizzianus, west of Ronda,Spain ??



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Re: Narcissus ID confirmation sought
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2010, 03:36:49 PM »
Welcome BrooklynGirl.  There was a tornado that blew through Lola's neighborhood last night.

Hope everyone fared well.
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Re: Narcissus ID confirmation sought
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2010, 05:54:58 PM »
I hope so, too, Arnold.... Lola's last email came through to me timed about 3am this morning, UK time, so we know she was fine then  :)
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 08:15:02 PM »
Here is some home video of the tornado.

WARNING it is X-rated and turn down your sound.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 09:23:34 PM »
That would be a most unusual cross.  If I had not seen the name I would have said it is Narcissus rupicola but perhaps it is straight N assoanus?   The close up shot with small flowers and BIG leaves adjacent is definitely of two different species!  We need AnneW or Rafa to give definitive answer. 

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Re: Narcissus ID confirmation sought
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2010, 12:47:28 AM »
Thanks Arnold and others for your concern. We're fine here, no damage in our garden or to our house but down the street a huge limb of an oak came down blocking someone's front door, and other trees on the street were injured. Prospect Park has suffered many, many tree losses.
   It passed through as quickly as it came, and with great violence.
from Lola, where most bulbs are safely underground, except for a lovely little pink Tritonia that survived unscathed.

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Re: Narcissus ID confirmation sought
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2010, 10:21:12 AM »
Welcome BrooklynGirl, glad to hear that the effects of the storm were minimal.
You do see the natural cross between N assoanus and N panizzianus around Ronda in Andalucia (it has been given the name Narcissus x chistopheri), but there is usually a huge variation from the positively horrid through to the highly desirable. The population illustrated by your second picture is just a little too uniform for me to suggest hybrid. So, I would go with Tony in suggesting that this is simply N assoanus - and simply a lovely little daff!!
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2010, 10:32:39 AM »
Welcome BrooklynGirl, glad to hear that the effects of the storm were minimal.
You do see the natural cross between N assoanus and N panizzianus around Ronda in Andalucia (it has been given the name Narcissus x chistopheri), but there is usually a huge variation from the positively horrid through to the highly desirable.
Well, you learn something new everyday!  It's one of the things I like about this forum :)  Thanks Dave for the info and thanks to BrooklynGirl for bringnin it to our attention.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 10:48:31 AM »
I posted a few pics of this hybrid in a topic some while ago - here's the link (I hope...):

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1494.msg36326#msg36326
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Re: Narcissus ID confirmation sought
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 03:09:38 PM »
I think you've got a typo, David....christopheri is correct, I think.

From the RHS: Botanical names in the genus Narcissus-
Updated September 2008   ( link below)

× christopheri Blanchard, in Daffodils & Tulips: 11 (1997) (Narcissus) = N. × koshinomurae

× koshinomurae Fernández Casas, in Fontqueria 44: 254 (1996) (Narcissus) = N. fernandesii Pedro × N. panizzianus
Parlatore. PC 2004

http://www.rhs.org.uk/RHSWebsite/files/78/78c20a53-f093-4946-86a6-ebd964646409.pdf
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 07:04:38 PM »
You are of course correct, Maggi, thanks. I had spotted and corrected several other typos in the post but hadn't checked the name   :-[ :-[
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