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Author Topic: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) 2008  (Read 21980 times)

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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #105 on: August 25, 2008, 10:45:13 AM »
Nice Auratum Tony, I think that the unspotte ones were called v. virginale but I have not had time to check it out.

Brian, Are you growing it outside or in a pot? I agree with Lesley and actually a whitish background gives better pictures with a whitish subject.

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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #106 on: August 25, 2008, 10:54:49 AM »
Göte at the moment it is in a pot, and has been since last spring so I was thinking of either repotting or planting out.
Brian Ellis, Brooke, Norfolk UK. altitude 30m Mintemp -8C

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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #107 on: August 25, 2008, 12:21:51 PM »
Just had a look at what McRae has to say about differences between L. philippinense and L. formosanum but he 'bottles' it ".......it closely resembles L. formosanum in many respects". Very helpful!
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #108 on: August 25, 2008, 01:13:46 PM »
David,

I get the impression that cross-hybridisation in these two is so easy that it now is almost academic as to which you have.  A bit like Trilliums.... unless you have an original provenance as to the wild location the seed came from, there is limited chance of you being able to say with absolute certainty what you have. :o
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Min winter temp -8 or -9°C. Max summer temp 40°C. Thankfully, maybe once or twice a year only.

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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #109 on: August 25, 2008, 01:33:33 PM »
Both nice though.

Last March I sowed 11 seeds of Nomocharis, described as 'Nomocharis mixed', from the last SRGC SeedEx, and have 10 germinated. Should I pot them on singly, or leave them in the seed pot for another year?
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #110 on: August 25, 2008, 02:34:02 PM »
You could pot your nomocharis seedlings on, en masse, David, to a bigger pot with a bit of bone meal, no need to be potting individually  as far as BD is concerned!!
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #111 on: August 25, 2008, 02:41:09 PM »
Thanks Maggi, will do.
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #112 on: August 26, 2008, 03:14:20 PM »
OK Brian,
I was just curious since it is supposed to be quite tender but so many "impossible" plants have been surprisingly hardy these days.
I agre with Tony Avent (right??) who used to end all messages with:
"I regard all plants as hardy until I have killed them three times"
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #113 on: August 26, 2008, 04:59:41 PM »
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"I regard all plants as hardy until I have killed them three times"

I'll try my best not to do so! :D
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2008, 08:57:44 AM »
Re-sent message due to breakdown:

Paul,
Meconopsis, at least many of them cannot stand high temperatures.
I am not sure about the borderline temperature but if you get up to 30 C, at
least seedlings will die.
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2008, 12:17:19 PM »
I posted a response to Gote's message, but as I post directly onto the forum rather than via email I don't have a copy of it.  Basically it was along the lines of the fact that 30'C is a coolish day for us in summer, but the seedlings never make it that far anyway, usually just starting to grow then dying off.  Doesn't look like damping off to me, but no idea what it actually is that does them in.  Maybe I am just sowing them wrong or something. 
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Re: Lilium and allies (Cardiocrinum. Notholirion and Nomocharis) July 2008
« Reply #116 on: September 02, 2008, 08:35:01 AM »
I think that this is high temperature damage the seedling leaves turn greyish and die off
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