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Janis Ruksans

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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2018, 12:34:05 PM »
Looks a bit like one of those presented on Alan's Website.
http://www.reticulatas.com/Iranian.html
Could it be the same?

Absolutely NOT!!! Alans plants with slightly similar colour are hybrids, this one is wild plant.  Alan just asked me for one bulb of it. It was collected out of flowers in wild and now bloomed with me for the first timer (SLIZE's plant I had and already supposed that it is new one, but I needed confirmation that others are the same and it is not mistake or accidental mutation.
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2018, 12:36:25 PM »
The plant  shown on Alan's site is shown as  " An interesting species related to zagrica that was collected by Arnis Siesums (SLIZE 98-323 ex. GLUZ 98-323)."
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2018, 02:11:03 PM »
Thanks Susan!
I simply overlooked that "SLIZ 98" on Alan's website.
So I strongly guess both are the same plant.

Alan's remark is interesting: "....related to Iris zagrica".
What does Janis' think about this relationship?
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2018, 02:32:51 PM »
In attachment Iris zagrica from different localities. Note dimentions of standarts, proportions.
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2018, 10:19:26 PM »
Flowering today in the (rare) sunshine:

Iris Katharine's Gold.  Especially for Maureen Wilson who asked me if I have heard of it on Saturday at the Kendal Show.  She said nobody she asked had heard of it.  My bulbs came from Potterton's Nursery last autumn.  It's a mutation of Katharine Hodgkin found in a field of KH.

Iris winogradowii? 'Alba'.  Most likely a hybrid of I. winogradowii and a white reticulate iris as it is sterile.

Iris kolpakowskiana.
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2018, 02:03:46 PM »
Thank you Cyril, and for the PM also drawing my attention to Iris 'Katherine's Gold'.  I bought mine from amongst the sale plants at Cambo where it was showing colour but not open.  It hibernated under the snow the 'Beast from the East' dumped on us.  I rescued it from the cold frame after a week or so and put it in the sun and it opened within 20 minutes!  This was about 10 days ago(?) and it is still flowering.
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2018, 04:51:06 PM »
Janis, your Turkish mutation is quite incredible.
Observations:  The fall blade has a slightly different shape from the purple flower beside.  The standard seems to be a bit glassine.
Hope it proves true !
Glad to hear you are interested in continuing to enjoy some of my hybrids

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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2018, 02:16:37 AM »
Concerning SLIZE 98-323 ex. GLUZ 98-323, Arnis kindly sent it to me in 1998. After seeing it bloom I referred to it as "Iran Ameona." I tried unsuccessfully to hybridize it.  Two selfs did not work.  I did get a few seeds (1 to 10) from about half the crosses I tried using its pollen, but I don't know that any germinated.

I understanding it is from the same region as zagrica.  Janis and Arnis know more about it and it's location than I do.

I would love to try growing it again.

One of the things I'm currently trying to do is get a better understanding of Reticulata species.  Last year I was "shaken" so-to-speak, to learn Norman Steven's Halkis is 2n=18.  I had it back in 1998, but was so convinced that it was 2n=20 (and so busy with other things), that I never bothered to replant it.  Had I done so, I would have discovered it had bulblets.  Of course I also had Mathew's BM11026 at that same time, which had bulblets, but it did not hybridize like the Çat Retic, which is 2n=18.  In fact I got a lot of large hollow seeds; some of which were liquidy.  Some very small seeds were produced as a pod parent, but as far as I know none germinated. BM11026 was from further south than the Çat Retic.

Last year we also found out the Norman's Adiyaman Retic is 2n=16.  One of the next steps is to see whether it crosses with histrioides.

Three years ago I got SASA-209 and JRRK-078 from Janis.  I completely ignored them when they bloomed in 2016 -- they looked like any other Retic so-to-speak.  However when I replanted them that Summer I discovered they produced bulblets.  So of course I was keen to try crossing them in 2017.  I didn't get any conclusive results, but I'm beginning to wonder if they might be 2n=16.  I'll have to try some crosses with histrioides this year.  (hint: a histrioides x JRRK-078 cross gave 16 seeds last year).

It would be quite exciting if one or both turned out to be 2n=16 !
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2018, 09:27:40 PM »
I found out yesterday that thanks to a mix-up I'm in the possession of 'Chameleon' - one of Alan's yet to be released cultivar :)
The pot has been in the ground in the garden over the winter, I just took it out to take better photos.

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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2018, 09:32:52 PM »
Dramatic colouring, Gabriela !
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2018, 08:59:50 AM »
I am not an iris specialist. Have only a few irises for some years.

Iris reticulata 'WHITE CAUCASUS' in the 3 meter trough.

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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2018, 06:53:08 PM »
Concerning SLIZE 98-323 ex. GLUZ 98-323, Arnis kindly sent it to me in 1998. After seeing it bloom I referred to it as "Iran Ameona." I tried unsuccessfully to hybridize it.  Two selfs did not work.  I did get a few seeds (1 to 10) from about half the crosses I tried using its pollen, but I don't know that any germinated.

Returning to Iris zagrica. I only recently got British Iris Soc. Bulletin and Curt.Bot.Mag with articles about Iris zagrica. It turned that for description of Iris zagrica was used plant looking as SLIZE-323, so this one certainly is typical zagrica and is pictured in British Iris Soc. (Winter Bull. 2008/9)
Although only 2 pictures looks as SLIZE-323, the type locality is in same region in Lorestan.

The WHIR plants looks as Iris zagrica pictured in Curt.Bot Mag. (vol. 26; 2009) and comes from Kurdistan and they are identical with Henrik's gathering EGO.IQ-129 from Iraq Kurdistan, and looks quite different from SLIZE-323

I don't think that both represent same species, but Irises are quite variable, too. There are 2 gatherings of WHIR and another gathering 17IRS-054 which again looks different. IRS plant was collected midway between both WHIR acquisitions.

Sorry, I'm attaching here pictures of 3 different plants, which were shown earlier, but here they all will be side by side for comparing.
The first is zagrica 16IRS-179  (identical with SLIZE-323) - most likely this is used as type
Then zagrica as pictured in Curt.Bot.Mag - WHIR-185
and then last spring found and nicknamed as dark zagrica -17IRS-054
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2018, 04:04:29 PM »
We had a Winter storm that lasted a week with ice pellets instead of snow: April 14-20.  This delayed the last of Reticulata bloom and seemed to have an impact on pollen formation.

The very last Reticulata to bloom was actually Iris sisianica.  Naturally I applied all manor of pollen onto it (other than self).  Only a few 2n=20 hybrids were available to use it's pollen on.

I must say Norman Steven's Adyiaman Retic looks a lot like pamphylica.  Being 2n=16 I did try intercrossing it with histrioides Lady Beatrix Stanley.  I expect like winogradowii, if I do get plants, the hybrids will very likely be sterile







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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2018, 04:29:19 PM »
We must all hope that into May we can put  hail storms and their like behind us for a while!
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Re: Iris reticulata 2018
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2018, 11:18:24 AM »
Jon (Mini-bulb lover) is having troubling uploading pics so I suggested posting this pic for him.
"Hi Fermi,
Here's a photo of Iris vartanii.... Germinated in 2016 from Oron Peri seed (ex Mt Carmel, Israel). Very fast to flower, helped along by the long cool spring of 2016 which kept it in leaf for longer than normal. This reduced my wait until flowering by one year. I wish more springs were like it! Though it usually flowers in winter it's not uncommon for it to flower late autumn according to online information.
Regards
Jon"
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