"Effects on Gardeners by Brexit"?

[bulborum]

Dutch will not go out of Europe Graeme
They are to intelligent for that

Roland

[Dionysia]

How does Bulborum's comment not constitute a political comment? The insinuation is that we British are stupid in voting for Brexit which I find offensive.

[johnstephen29]

Hi Ralph that Jeremy kinsman has his head skewed on right, every word is true. Hi Paul I dont think roland ment to be offensive, I think basically he ment the Dutch know which side there bread is butted on, if you know what I mean.

[annew]

I wish I hadn't started all this now.
I think we'll just have to wait and see what kind of new trade agreements can be arranged. Not a lot of point in speculation.

[bulborum]

Hi Paul I dont think roland ment to be offensive, I think basically he ment the Dutch know which side there bread is butted on, if you know what I mean.

John is right

If I find something stupid then it is the young ones who didn't vote
It's their future
My company was trading in 8 countries in Europe
You will not know how much paperwork it saved getting into Europa and the Euro
Not to mention all the different valuta we had to deal with (almost 4% lost by exchange rates )

One simple example why we didn't trade with Swiss
You have to count and weight all bulbs bringing to Swiss
Giving an indication how much we would sell
After the selling weekend  the same for importing the bulbs back to the EEG
Can you image counting a few hundred thousand bulbs by hand twice
That will take weeks
Dutch live from exporting so why would they destroy that
Just fools would do that

I wish I hadn't started all this now.

I think you are right Anne
Better to talk plants (more fun and we can't change the Brexit any more)
Here it seems finally summer

Roland

[Steve Garvie]

I wish I hadn't started all this now.
I think we'll just have to wait and see what kind of new trade agreements can be arranged. Not a lot of point in speculation.

Anne, you were right to start this. Brexit has profound implications for us as gardeners, traders and indeed through all aspects of our life. The economic and social issues surrounding BREXIT and REMAIN were not in my opinion adequately presented to the British people. Few who frequent these pages would disagree that the EU is in need of realignment such that it reflects popular European opinion. However, living in a Britain destined to leave the EU I fear we will face austere times with increased barriers to free trade -including of plant material. I desperately hope that I am wrong!

In other EU nations with significant  eurosceptism the push for their own referenda is on hold -the view is wait and see what happens to the UK. As a result the EU establishment cannot afford for the UK to be seen to thrive outwith Europe as this will fuel further dissent in the ranks. So the UK will be fortunate to cut itself a Norwegian-style deal which will cost us financially, will involve accepting free people movement but will deny us any say in policy making. In my opinion those in the UK who voted for Brexit will be very disappointed in what they will get. Those who voted to stay are already very disappointed. A self-induced lose lose scenario, it's very difficult not to see this as needless folly. But as I said I really hope that I am very wrong.

[Graeme]

Here it seems finally summer

It seems like its a British 'summer' here this morning - lashing it down with rain again

[Maggi Young]

Friends - the idea of this thread was to cast some light on what the effects of "Brexit" might be to the  horticultural  sector   - I would hope that you could discuss this  politely - or I will remove the thread, which would be a shame, since there are surely  matters of import to our industry sector and hobby at stake here.

This is not  the place for a discussion or comments on whether or not the results of the recent referendum are agreed with - it is about  what effects may accrue to horticulture.

[Yann]

just checking this thread, i don't think UK will leave schengen zone or it's the economical death of the country. And i think USA will make pressure on the EEC. Buying or Selling with Swiss just need cites papers, buying plants from Thailand is easier than importing from Ireland.
When i import plants from Israel the Cites cost less than 1£. So i don't think the exchange between the island and the EEC will be more complicated than now. The first benefits for UK exporters is the Pound devaluation, so nurseries should normally sell more with the rest of europe. However this is a short-term vision...

[Steve Garvie]

Yann, the UK currently is not in the Schengen Zone despite being a member of the EU.
Interestingly Switzerland, Norway and Iceland ARE in the Schengen Zone but are not EU members. These three countries accept "Schengen" in exchange for access to the single EU market.

[Tristan_He]

Yann, the UK currently is not in the Schengen Zone despite being a member of the EU.
Interestingly Switzerland, Norway and Iceland ARE in the Schengen Zone but are not EU members. These three countries accept "Schengen" in exchange for access to the single EU market.

Yes, that would be a paradoxical outcome of Brexit Steve, especially as many of those who voted leave had immigration as a major concern. I genuinely have no idea what will happen next. However if we do leave the single market we are certainly going to face a lot of extra Red Tape that we didn't before if we want to buy plants from Europe.

[ian mcdonald]

I wonder how we managed to trade and carry out our hobby before the common market?

[Maggi Young]

That would be in the days when it was acceptable to go abroad and dig up wild plants  to take home? Nowadays a great many countries  have a great many trade and collection regulations!

[bulborum]

Nowadays everybody is in a hurry to get the newest plants and selections
Most people have no time to seed and the long wait till it flowers
For me one of the nicest thing from growing
Swapping seeds and see the progress year after year

Roland

[Yann]

Steve, you're not in the schengen zone but UK signed special agreements for commercial trades when Schengen was established.
One of the reason why no control are done in the freight exchanges (not the same with persons  ). I can't imagine these agreements are cancelled.

Focusing on plants trading, until Cites rules are not changed with UK (should i still use united kingdom ) continental buyer will continue to buy from english nurseries.

sorry if I expressed myself badly, I am very tired and can't find my words