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Hans J

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Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« on: February 02, 2008, 01:43:53 PM »
Hi all

here is a pic of a true Gal. caucasicus ( ex Georgia )
This plants have also a single mark ,grey leaves and a volute vernation

...patience Anthony ....I have to wait until we have wether to make pics ....
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 01:55:59 PM »
Hans, do you know what the latest thinking is about what the morphological differences are supposed to be between Gal. elwesii monostictus, alpinus and the more recently re-discovered examples of wild caucasicus? (apart from where they're found of course).
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 02:00:26 PM »
Martin : I know you have written before some days that G. elw. ssp. monostictus has different chromosomes than G. elwesii
Do you have further informations ?
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 02:11:50 PM »
Another Galanthus caucasicum, I think ::)
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 02:16:45 PM »
Rafa :

I fear no !
do you have a location ?
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2008, 02:43:05 PM »
yes... you are right Hans, it could be Galanthus alpinus... they came from Russia.
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2008, 03:11:52 PM »
Rafa ,

it is also not alpinus they have a more ligth ovary

...I suppose it is a G. elwesii v. monostictus - they have such green ovaries
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2008, 03:24:48 PM »
I received two specie from my friend in Russia but I lost the labels... could it be Galathus cabardinicus?
*cabardensis
« Last Edit: February 03, 2008, 12:50:32 PM by Rafa »
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2008, 03:31:35 PM »
Could you look for the vernation please ?

G. cabardensis has a applante vernation ( similar like lagodechianus )

If you would know the locations.....?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2008, 08:42:01 PM by Hans Joschko »
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 03:47:58 PM »
a leaves detail
« Last Edit: February 02, 2008, 04:03:12 PM by Rafa »
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2008, 03:53:43 PM »
Rafa :

and the location ?

please ask your friend
« Last Edit: February 02, 2008, 04:29:58 PM by Hans Joschko »
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2008, 04:25:39 PM »
Those are definitely applanate vernation. Looks very different from elwesii.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2008, 04:31:35 PM by adarby »
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2008, 05:06:31 PM »
Quote from: Hans Joschko on February 02, 2008, 02:00:26 PM
Martin : I know you have written before some days that G. elw. ssp. monostictus has different chromosomes than G. elwesii
Do you have further informations ?

Hans, the average DNA mass measurements are: elwesii 55.3 pg, elwesii monostictus 59.1 pg, so monostictus has more DNA than elwesii. alpinus is (average) 62.2 pg.
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2008, 05:12:00 PM »
Martin - thank you for this informations -really interesting .

In my eyes is also a difference between G. elwesii and G. elwesii ssp. monostictus :

monostictus have more green leaves
and the multiplication is more vegetativ -the bulbs splitt always very quick
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Re: Gal. caucasicus ( true)
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2008, 05:13:42 PM »
Hans did you notice the extra pic above?
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