Narcissus February 2015

[johnstephen29]

Ok cheers matt

[SJW]

... Do you grow it in cork?

I did a double-take on first reading this before remembering where Ashley lives. I was thinking well I've used leaf mould and composted bark but Quercus suber?!

[annew]

  Me too!
John, N.albidus and some other hoop petticoats do tend to have lax leaves, especially in cultivation, unless you live in Japan (see Tatsuo's posts!).
Here is a link to a potful on my website http://www.dryad-home.co.uk/gallery/NARCISSUS/Narcissus%20Species%20and%20natural%20hybrids/index.html#Narcissus%20albidus%20SF110%20rule%2014.jpg
I think it would help to have them constantly moving with a breeze through - this might stiffen the leaves. I need a blower in my greenhouse!

[johnstephen29]

Beautiful albidus Anne, here is one of these for you and steve over cork maybe I should have said corcaigh

[annew]

Photographed today - Brian Duncan's prolific Limey Lass, and one I grew from seed in 1991 (!) as N. cantabricus tananicus which I believe is not a valid name for this little cutie.

[Matt T]

Wow! Will have to look out for 'Limey Lass' on your list this year.

Plant list has N.c. tananicus as a synonym of N. romieuxii subsp. albidus: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-311013
Those upward facing flowers with exerted parts are a give away aren't they?

[annew]

Are they? I'm not familiar with that one. Or is it eualbidus? I seem to recall seeing a pic of that one that looked like mine.

[Matt T]

In that the flowers have an over all impression ('jizz' in birding terms) of N.romieuxii?

See what you mean about eualbidus, although we start running into nomenclatural quagmire with that name. Seems that a name for this plant came up before: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6791.msg188625#msg188625

The Plant List entry would suggest that Kew no longer accepts N.c.tananicus as a valid name. But the plant you show doesn't sit easily with what we know as N. albidus. I can seem similarities with both romieuxii and cantabricus, especially the 'clusii-type' in the later.

This may be a case where continuing to use the established name, botanically correct or no, might make sense in horticultural terms?

[Matt T]

It seems that eu- is...

a combining form ... in scientific coinages, especially taxonomic names, it often has the sense “true, genuine” (eukaryote)

With eualbidus given as either an invalid species in it's own right or as a variety of N. cantabricus, continuing to use the established term in the form "N.cantabricus tananicus (Hort.)" might make most sense for gardeners?

I don't want to think about whether this is indeed the 'true' albidus and what to call the plants are we grow as SF110 etc.

[YT]

Photographed today - Brian Duncan's prolific Limey Lass, and one I grew from seed in 1991 (!) as N. cantabricus tananicus which I believe is not a valid name for this little cutie.

A wonderful potfull 'Limey Lass', Anne And its small flowers of "tananicus" are sweet!

I don't want to think about whether this is indeed the 'true' albidus and what to call the plants are we grow as SF110 etc.

I'd like to see the typical N. romieuxii romieuxii and its varieties anyway...

[YT]

Narcissus romieuxii pots are full blooming now

First picture is the same pot posted on 04 Feb.
Second picture is one of the sister seedlings of the above.

[annew]

Well they surely are not the typical N. romieuxiis! Stunning as usual, Tatsuo.
Matt, I think I'll call it tananicus (hort) - as long as I list it with a photo and description, people will know what to expect.

[Matt T]

Narcissus jonquilla is putting on a good show and smelling great too.

This Narcissus bertolonii is also flowering, finally. I received the bulb 3 years ago, for 2 years it did nothing, not even a leaf or a root. At last this scape with 2 flowers. Hope it does something more next year, it smells lovely but needs to pull up it's socks if it expects to stay!

[YT]

Narcissus jonquilla is putting on a good show and smelling great too.

This Narcissus bertolonii is also flowering, finally. I received the bulb 3 years ago, for 2 years it did nothing, not even a leaf or a root. At last this scape with 2 flowers. Hope it does something more next year, it smells lovely but needs to pull up it's socks if it expects to stay!

I like jonquilla's six-lobed cups, Matt I didn't know the narcissus bulb can survive 2 years without roots and leaves

[YT]

Narcissus romieuxii, with naturally tiny flower. When I obtained it was labeled as "Narcissus romieuxii var. mesatlanticus, SRGC 2845"
This plant is very shy to flower. The last flower was 2011...