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October snowdrops
« on: October 02, 2014, 06:50:11 PM »
Blanc de Chine in flower here, and Early to Rize, Emmelina and Autumn Beauty well on the way - all in open ground.
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2014, 08:15:18 PM »
Blanc de Chine in flower here, and Early to Rize, Emmelina and Autumn Beauty well on the way - all in open ground.
Steve, I have seen photos of G. 'Blanc de Chine' which is simply a stunner, and would love to see shots of yours...all new to my eyes. Cheers!
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 02:43:52 PM »
lots in flower now

Galanthus reginae olgae
Galanthus reginae olgae 'Eleni' from Melvyn
Galanthus peshmenii
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 05:18:20 PM »
Tony - Some nice variations there in peshmenii.  You'd not get that range of markings if you grew 10,000 nivalis from seed.

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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2014, 06:36:50 PM »
JohnW, also Gn make such differences. It is only a question of the source of the seed. I had to learn, that small isolated populations can create different appearances and very big population have only one appearance of the flower. It is a little bit more difficult than we like to think. And my theory is good for Gn but also for Gpp, Gpb, Gp and much more. Think about your Canadian Gee!
Here is a picture of different autumn flowering ones. All the same appearances like in spring. Sorry, the poculiforme will flowering later and the first autumn virescens in under the ground in the moment.
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2014, 06:49:51 PM »
I don't remember planting this (I don't remember what I had for breakfast either ;D  ), but I must have and have no label in this position is it a good enough image for someone to hazard a guess please?
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2014, 10:11:14 AM »
well ... it can only be one of two David. G. peshmenii or G. reginae-olgae
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2014, 12:00:53 PM »
Great display of snowdrops you are showing Hagen  :P

First snowdrops showing overhere also. Even some Plicatus showing already, from Ruslan's collection.
All are growing outside.

Reg Olg Green Tip - Not much green this year
Reg Olg Melvyn Jope - Large strong flower and flowering for two weeks already
Reg Olg Eleni - Just showing
Plicatus from Ruslan - showed 4 weeks ago !!!
Plicatus from Ruslan - Just showing
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2014, 02:54:03 PM »
another pot of Galanthus reginae olgae
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2014, 06:19:25 PM »
well ... it can only be one of two David. G. peshmenii or G. reginae-olgae

Many thanks Mark. That's got me head-scratching though, I don't remember buying either and having looked at the prices of G. peshmanii I wouldn't have bought one. Is it possible to to explain to a lay-man the differences between peshmenii and reginae-olgae please?
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2014, 06:37:47 PM »
Many thanks Mark. That's got me head-scratching though, I don't remember buying either and having looked at the prices of G. peshmanii I wouldn't have bought one. Is it possible to to explain to a lay-man the differences between peshmenii and reginae-olgae please?

David, I researched this myself recently and found the following descriptions from the IUCN (CITES folk):

Galanthus reginae-olgae:
Leaves - glaucous median stripe on the adaxial surface on a background of green.
Flowers - similar to G.nivalis, usually bold U- to V-shaped mark and inside of inner perianth segment green mark runs from apex to base of segment.

Galanthus peshmenii:
Flowering time and growth habit as G.reginae-olgae.
Leaves - glaucescent (green with glaucous undertones) to glaucous, with or without underlying median stripe. Narrower and longer than G.reginae-olgae and distinctly flaccid appreance when fully developed.
Flowers - outer mark (on inner segment) narrower than G.reginae-olgae and U-shaped. Inside, mark is small and covers only 1/2 length of the segment.

Hope this helps,
Matt
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2014, 06:56:38 PM »
Many thanks Mark. That's got me head-scratching though, I don't remember buying either and having looked at the prices of G. peshmanii I wouldn't have bought one.
I bought my G. peshmenii from Kurt Vickery's bulb list earlier this year - reasonably priced at £6.
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2014, 09:12:11 PM »
£6! David could feed his family for a week for £6.  ;D
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2014, 08:46:56 AM »
£6! David could feed his family for a week for £6.  ;D

I could sell 'em for less than that ;D
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Re: October snowdrops
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2014, 08:51:18 AM »
David, I researched this myself recently and found the following descriptions from the IUCN (CITES folk):

Galanthus reginae-olgae:
Leaves - glaucous median stripe on the adaxial surface on a background of green.
Flowers - similar to G.nivalis, usually bold U- to V-shaped mark and inside of inner perianth segment green mark runs from apex to base of segment.

Galanthus peshmenii:
Flowering time and growth habit as G.reginae-olgae.
Leaves - glaucescent (green with glaucous undertones) to glaucous, with or without underlying median stripe. Narrower and longer than G.reginae-olgae and distinctly flaccid appreance when fully developed.
Flowers - outer mark (on inner segment) narrower than G.reginae-olgae and U-shaped. Inside, mark is small and covers only 1/2 length of the segment.

Hope this helps,
Matt

Many thanks Matt. Having read that I'd say mine is reginae-olgae.
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