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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2008, 01:07:20 AM »
Hello,

This is Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae growing at 1060m
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2008, 08:13:34 AM »
Rafa,
Qué bonita! First pic of a  daffodil in its native environment for 2008.
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2008, 08:39:16 AM »
Hello,  This is Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae growing at 1060m

Blanchard uses the name Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae for what we now called Narcissus x susannae (triandrus x cantabricus).  Has this changed?

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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2008, 10:45:24 AM »
Thank you!

Narcissus muñozii-garmediae has been named many times as Narcissus hispanicus, Narcissus pseudonarcissus etc.., but always in his section Pseudonarcissus.

Narcissus x susannae is now changed to Narcissus x litigiosus del Amo, who previously named this crosses between N. cantabricus and N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus. Botanist have descrived some variants: N. x litigiosus var. toletanus / N. x litigiosus var. granatensis/ N. x litigiosus var. montelianus.... maybe more.

This species N. muñozii-garmendiae is micro-endemic from Sierra Madrona, in Ciudad Real province (Castilla la Mancha Region). This year I will try again to collect seeds, but there are so many deers, roe deer, mountain goats, wild board that usually eat all the capsules.
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2008, 06:11:21 PM »
You're a real star Rafa. 8) What a lovely wee narcissus. :)
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2008, 12:11:24 AM »
Hello Rafa,

thanks for your explanations - interesting. I have a cultivar called "N. pseudonarcissus hispanicus" in my garden but I was told the origin of this species is totally unclear... Another source said it is an very old cultivar from the middle age... Another one it is probably a selection of pseudonacissus...
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2008, 03:28:40 PM »
Hello,

Some pics of Narcissus x litigiosus (old Narcissus x susannae) from my friend Gerd
« Last Edit: January 24, 2008, 12:17:35 AM by Rafa »

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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2008, 03:45:27 PM »
First Narcissus for me.
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2008, 04:03:27 PM »
Lovely to see some Narcissus this year, especially Rafa's in the wild. I have 3 pots in flower in the alpine house but the weather is too dismal to take a decent picture.
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2008, 11:31:59 PM »
Thank you Raf for these pics which make me dream
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2008, 07:54:42 PM »
Narcissus x susannae is now changed to Narcissus x litigiosus del Amo, who previously named this crosses between N. cantabricus and N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus. Botanist have descrived some variants: N. x litigiosus var. toletanus / N. x litigiosus var. granatensis/ N. x litigiosus var. montelianus.... maybe more.

Thanks, Rafa for explaining this change in naming.  And thanks for showing a picture of N x litigiosus.  Is this plant in the wild or cultivation?  It shows more influence from N cantabricus than triandrus.  Does N x litigiosus describe all hybrids of N cantabricus and any triandrus or just with triandrus ssp pallidulus.  Do you know the difference between the variants you name?  Are they from different areas or showing different morphological features?  This is one of my all time favourite plants and one I try to create but I do not find I get N cantabricus and triandrus to flower at the same time.   
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2008, 09:44:21 PM »
Thanks to all

Diane,

This plant is a cultivated plant, Gerd gave me some bulbs last year. In some days I will post pictures from about 8 Narcissus growing together in the same place including N x litigiosus. Normally (I think) Narcissus cantabricus is the receptor in that hybridation maybe this can explain the percentage in characters. But in the case of var toletanus is a variant is more close to N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus:

"Narcissus x susannae Fernández Casas nm. toletanus Fernández Casas & Luceño, nm. nov.
(N. cantabricus x N. pallidulus). A N. susannae typico, flore reflexo luteolento cuque
estigmate exerto, praecipue differt."


All Narcissus x litigiosus are hibrids between N. cantabricus and N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus, and I think all those variants tell us the forms that occurs in that areas with different genetic percentages.

For example, Narcissus x litigiosus var. granatensis was considered by some authors as a Narcissus graellsii var. granatensis, and this could done an idea of how different could be classic N. x litigiosus deppending the genetic percentage in the hybridation.

Maybe you can dry the pollen and keep in the fridge to make crosses?

Note I saw some articles and Narcissus x sussanae var. montielanus is now considered as Narcissus x montielanus (N. blancoi x N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus)
Narcissus x montielanus = Narcissus x cazorlanus (N. hedraeanthus x N. triandrus ssp. pallidulus)

« Last Edit: February 11, 2008, 06:28:06 PM by Rafa »

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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2008, 09:56:52 PM »
Uau! Very nice shots of Narcissus!
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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2008, 10:45:35 PM »
Narcissus 'December Gold' is nearly past its best now.  It WAS in flower during December - honest!  This is a 'new' names form, I don't know if the name has been registered ..... now who can check that for me (you know who you are!!)

It's a beauty, with really good golden yellow flowers, not as intense as the N bulbocodiums of spring but better than most of the so-called yellows of the winter brigade.  Very close in colour to N 'Atlas Gold' but twicw the size and seems vigorous.

Form an orderly queue please :) :)

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Re: Narcissus January 2008
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2008, 11:07:47 PM »
Tony I would like to be first in the queue  :o
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