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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Hans A. on January 07, 2013, 11:13:25 PM
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New year, new topic. ;)
Back from holidays first Iris atropurpurea are already over - but still some to come. :)
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What an opener for the year Hans ! :o
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Your flowering season is always very early Hans. We have to wait for another few weeks to see the first flowers with us.
A very nice species !
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Thanks a lot, Luc and Luc!
Actually it is dry and really warm, my impression they are still earlier than normal - last year I took some picture of them flowering in february, with snow.
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They are early in your garden, buds in mine, and under snow in their country 😄😄😄
Nice to see the first onco flower in the northern hemispher !!
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New year, new topic. ;)
Back from holidays first Iris atropurpurea are already over - but still some to come. :)
Outstanding as ever Hans . In a few months we have some Onco - flowers to ;D
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Well done Hans. Shame to miss even one of them. But you posted Atropurpurea on 1st January 2010, so they aren't exceptionally early are they?
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That was a nice surprise indeed to come home to Hans.
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Thanks Fred, Kris Peter and Pat!
Peter, you are right, there is a particular clone which flowers quite early - I am just surprised some other plants also show flowers and buds so early.
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Second species this year: Iris mariae! :)
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Wonderful - seems tall.
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Thanks Pat, it might be about 35 cm tall.
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hello hans,
nice plant, here in germany actually winter :'(
your seedlings look fantastic.....
cheers
chris
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Well done Hans ! and very early again. :)
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Iris atropurpurea is in full bloom now. The season has started ;)
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Wonderful photos Miriam - and the special colour of these.
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Oh Miriam, if only "the Season" would begin with such treasures here !
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Fantastic pictures Miriam!
Thanks so much for showing such nice colourforms! :o
Here Season goes on. ;)
Iris atropurpurea_3_13-02-24.jpg
Iris mariae_2_13-02-24.jpg
Iris damascena_2_13-02-24.jpg
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Nice color variations Miriam ! It seems that snails also like Oncos ;)
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Hans, I'm always surprised how early is your season !
Lucky guy living in the south ...
Well, nice plants again, try to get seeds ;)
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Thanks a lot Fred! Hope to get seed - I removed all the pollen of the flowers and try to pollinate them by hand.
Yes, they start always very early, but in May all this spectacle should be over. ;)
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Gorgeous as always, Hans!
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Thanks a lot Tom, think it will be a good season. :)
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After several years of growing it from seed today I saw the first flower of Iris bismarckiana in the garden - really a spectacular species.
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An amazing result, Hans !! :o :o :o
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Congratulations hans, it's a fantastic species and not an easy going one :o :o :o
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Yes, truly spectacular and wonderful - Congratulations Hans.
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Wonderful Hans.
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Hans , how fortunate you are to flower the very beautiful and rare I. bismarckiana -- please ,please hand pollinate .
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Beautiful Hans. It is one of my favourites :) .
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First in flower this season Iris acutiloba ssp lineolata
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Glorious flower, Melvyn !
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Beautiful Melvyn
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Beautiful form of this great species, Melvyn!
Thanks for all the comments! I very happy it grows well here. :)
Hans , how fortunate you are to flower the very beautiful and rare I. bismarckiana -- please ,please hand pollinate .
I will do my best Otto. ;)
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It seems that Iris damascena which is in bloom now, is not effected by the severe heat in the last few days.
Nice Iris Melvyn!
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Lovely to see buds and blooms together in the clump Miriam.
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It seems that Iris damascena which is in bloom now, is not effected by the severe heat in the last few days.
Nice Iris Melvyn!
Miriam it is lovely - we could do with a little bit of the heat here
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Wonderful Miriam !! They like your garden !!!
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terrific pictures, congratulations all of you. Miri, It seems they are completey adapted to your garden! important success with this rare species.
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Great pictures Miriam! happy it grows so well with you - actually the same species is in flower here together with Iris bostrensis.
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Incredible how strong and early are your plants ! Congratulations Hans, Iris damascena is a collector....
here I only can see the flower buds... inside the leaves !!!
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Beautiful plants Hans, I particularly like the I. bostrensis.
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Thanks Fred and Melvyn,
I also like Iris bostrensis very much, smaller in size but nicely veined - but I do not know any Oncospecies I do not like.
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Agree with you last statement Hans!
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Iris mariae on white background for Pat ;) and in the Negev desert
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:o :o :o - Great pictures Fred! I enjoy the pictures taken in nature very much!
Not sure if Oncos in Spain flower earlier than in Israel, today Iris haynei started to flower.
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Another nice one Hans ! I suppose this one is almost over in the nature, except at higher elevations may be.
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Thanks Fred - I think I saw recently pictures of Iris haynei (with a dog), I was not sure if those were actual...
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Yes Hans, Ori's pictures few weeks ago.
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I wonder which species will grace the cover of the ASI Yearbook this year. I better ask Thomas as I can see some candidates already. ;)
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Fantastic photos everyone,
Iris hermona in bloom at the moment, i find this species to be a good pot plant.
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Nice one Oron !
If so easy, may be we'll find it next year in garden centers 😄😄😄
My seedlings are not ready to bloom this year 😢😢
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Great plant, Oron! Glad you grow Oncos too... :D
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A very nice species: Iris urmiensis .
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I agree Hans, very nice species ! Do you have it by day ? ;) ;D
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Voilą! 8)
Second is a picture of the garden with a bit of sunshine. ;)
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Sunshine ?? What's that ?
Great plant of iris (barnumae f.) urmiensis Hans
We can only dream of a garden like yours. All plants are kept under glass here.
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Oh Hans, that picture of your garden is so lovely. Does me good to look at it on a bitterly cold day!
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Muchos Gracias Hans :)
What a wonderful piece of eden !! Plants are really great and you're really lucky to be able to grow them outside ....
Here, I've uncovered for the first time the Onco bed, with a sunny and warm day ! But rain will come soon :(
It should be a very good blooming season this year as there are many blossoms coming :) :)
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Thanks Luc, Gail and Fred!
Love your Oncolawn! Must be fantastic in flower. :o
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Muchos Gracias Hans :)
What a wonderful piece of eden !! Plants are really great and you're really lucky to be able to grow them outside ....
Here, I've uncovered for the first time the Onco bed, with a sunny and warm day ! But rain will come soon :(
It should be a very good blooming season this year as there are many blossoms coming :) :)
:o :o :o Impressive Fred , maybe I should say goodbye to my pots.
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So really good to see garden views of how you grow the oncos Hans and Fred.
Hans your stone wall would certainly help with winds and having a microclimate for the oncos and other bulbs that you grow. Hans are you on a bit of a hill - that would help with drainage too.
Won't show anyone what my patches look like at present in their dormancy.
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fred, your oncos looking very well, it seems like a good season this year.....
greetings from germany
chris
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Great plant, Oron! Glad you grow Oncos too... :D
Ya i know, it is terrible isn't it... ;D ;)
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Voilą! 8)
Second is a picture of the garden with a bit of sunshine. ;)
Nice to see the garden Hans it looks very natural 8)
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Voilą! 8)
Second is a picture of the garden with a bit of sunshine. ;)
Very lovely garden and background!
I think we must come over one year ... ;)
Hendrik
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Oron, terrible indeed... ;D ;)
Thanks Ian!
Very lovely garden and background!
I think we must come over one year ... ;)
Hendrik
You are welcome Hendrik! ;)
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Today first time Moleskin Iris from Iran is in flower - I am very happy it likes the local conditions as this is one of Jim Archibalds stock plants I received two years ago. It is very different to other Oncos - I think it is worth its own 'species' name.
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A very special plant, Hans, for many reasons.
It has very much the appearance of an Iris shown by Janis, here
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8639.msg233502#msg233502 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8639.msg233502#msg233502)
He considered that this is not the same as the Iris barnumae or I. polakii and probably a new species too.
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Here is a similar one in the wild, photographed in 2004
I think that Brian Matthew said they were still investigating it.
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Thanks Maggi!
Thanks a lot for posting this picture, Arthur!
Those 'Moleskin' Iris were called Iris polakii - even it was not exactly known how this species looks like. Here a picture of the 1960th taken(?) by Ken Bastow http://www.arilsociety.org/bastow/boxcollection/I.%20polakii-Moleskin-PF3405-005.jpg (http://www.arilsociety.org/bastow/boxcollection/I.%20polakii-Moleskin-PF3405-005.jpg). As Iris polakii is used for former Iris barnumae f. protonyma it should be given a new name. I totally agree with Janis and others - in my eyes an undescribed species and doubtfully a hybrid (of which species?).
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There are three pages of discussion of this iris in that thread
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8639.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8639.0)
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Oron , just read in the latest (March ) "The Alpine Gardener" that you are presenting the E.B. Anderson Memorial Lecture in Nov.
That reminded me that I still have a photo of E.B. Anderson (on the right ) and Paul Furse that I took in 1971 during the International Rockgarden Conference in Harrowgate . These 2 great plantsman were very kind to me and sent me seeds of many choice bulbs , many that Paul and Polly Furse collected on their trips to Turkey , Iran and Afghanistan . Good Luck , Otto.
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Today an Iris damascena seedling started to flower - the last days I had already suspected something was wrong.
It has been confirmed today: something was faster in pollinating the flowers than me and created a monster. ::)
For comparison - left Iris damascena (which have already a good sized flower), right the offspring of it. Leaves are similar to damascena.
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Many thanks Otto.
Hans, i suggests you to lock well the door to the garden as this monster looks ferocious...
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Hans, I agree with Oron - that monster looks dangerous - it may even eat Hugo! :o
Best to play safe and send it to me!! ;D ;)
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Yeah, you might be right, door is closed and Hugo is safe (and inside)! ;D
I still wonder who was the father of this hybrid - it has the largest flowers of all. ::)
Seems to be a good doer (in terms of an Onco :P): vigorous, flowers high above curled leaves and a monster-flower.
(for sure I would have prefered a "normal" Iris damascena)
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Hans, i suggests you to lock well the door to the garden as this monster looks ferocious...
;D ;D ;D Hans, I think Oron or myself could try to tame your monster !
Looks more like iris sofarana than Iris damascena :)
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Perhaps kirkwoodii involved?
John B
Yeah, you might be right, door is closed and Hugo is safe (and inside)! ;D
I still wonder who was the father of this hybrid - it has the largest flowers of all. ::)
Seems to be a good doer (in terms of an Onco :P): vigorous, flowers high above curled leaves and a monster-flower.
(for sure I would have prefered a "normal" Iris damascena)
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Hans your monster looks disgustingly healthy ;) What sort of summer did you have before this??
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Hi Hans, hope you had a good sleep...
I have received from you the seeds of this Iris back in 2009 under:
Iris nigricans HU 9990 from Ras - A - Naqeb,
When i received it i thought it was strange as in that area only I. petrana is growing and also the leaves seemed too narrow for nigricans.
It opened yesterday and it is I. petrana.
Thanks again :)
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;D ;D ;D Hans, I think Oron or myself could try to tame your monster !
Looks more like iris sofarana than Iris damascena :)
You both are very welcome! ;) Iris sofarana was also my thought (especially after comparing some pics) as I had sown this species, labels could have been mixed up but I think the leaves do not fit - second of this batch will be open today...
The pollenparent is still a mystery to me as the “monster`has a very uniform greyish - black colour, but species/forms which have a similar colour bloom normally much later here (dark kirkwoodii, sofarana or nigricans) or have much smaller flowers - actually (as every year together with damascena) in flower from the larger species is only I.kirkwoodii calcarea but the colours do not fit.
Pat, last summer was terribly dry - I Think I lost some galanthus and also some smaller Oncos because of the draught. ::)
Oron, glad to see your plant, you are a very good Oncogrower!! - I hope it really is a pure petrana and not a hybrid (wondering about the standards)- in earlier years I read natural pollination of Oncos in its habitat is very low so I did not protect already handpollinated flowers, but it seems (see my monster) this is not valid for the holidayparadise majorca where the guys like to check one flower after another... ::) ;)
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vigorous, flowers high above curled leaves and a monster-flower.
Valid also for Damascenaseedling 2 - maybe a bit paler then 1.
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same leaves Hans ??
that's why it's so difficult to names the species without the location ;D ;D ;D
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Hans my experience was similar in that in the early days of growing arils there was never a flower but that set seed unless I handpollinated but since then I have had what I believe are beepods forming. I have seen our native bees and European bees visiting the blooms.
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Same leaves. ::)
Pat, I checked the flowers at evening and found a mass in different insects inside the flowers - starting by the very destructive Tropinota hirta, different spiders, Polistes spec. and also solitary bees... during day there are vistors like Xylocopa around. Never have seen normal honeybees on them.
Here a picture of visitors of night and day.
And some are always there, during day eating on standards, falls, pollen... (everything) - at night inside (if there is something left of the flower). :-X
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it's not a garden ... it's a zoo !! ;D
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;D ;D ;D - and these are only the animals living on Oncos.... 8) ;)
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Hans, what interesting plants you have! I guess it is hardly surprising that you have the sort of bees that pollinate oncos - you don't live that far away from the source. And it has been reported that solitary bees overnighting in flowers pollinate oncos in nature. You should be grateful for bees which showed such good taste in their choice of flowers. Here in Sydney I have NEVER had a volunteer pod.
On moleskin iris, I have been reading that this might a new species for more than 40 years. It it that difficult to decide? It certainly looks much different to me.
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Thanks a lot Peter!
There are about 3000km with a lot of water in between - so I wonder if the same bee species live(s) in both areas or if a local species adapted the new conditions - I sent the pictures to an expert, might be he will tell me something more.
First buds of a nice coloured Iris bostrensis opened today. :D
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for sure this one is the true species !! :) another excellent and well grown plant, again ;) very good season for you Hans , here, again 0°C this night... ??? :( :'(
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Hans, Another beautiful species! As for the bees, I wouldn't expect the same species in the Balearic Islands, but fairly similar irises are endemic through southern Europe and I'd expect similar bee species to be co-distributed throughout the area. Your pictures support this view. I will be fascinated to see just what species they are. Well dome!
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Thanks a lot Fred and Peter!
Re Bees: Doubt if I will ever find out which species are here around, there are no native Iris on the Balearic Islands so perhaps it is a "newer"adaptation of the bee species to use Iris flowers at night. ::)
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Hans, you are living in paradise :o
In my garden, there are hardly any pollinators because I live in the center of the town.
Iris nigricans is in flower in my garden.
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Back to nature...
In the north of Israel 3 Oncos are blooming now (a trip with one of the forumists :)) )
Iris haynei on Mount Gilboa, Iris lortetii and a beautiful sight of Iris hermona on the grave of a Moslem sheik in the Golan Heights.
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Seems to be a nice trip Miriam, and my best regards to our 'forumist' ;) ;D
Iris hermona is stunning ! Did you also see Iris petrana ( I. yeruchamensis ) ?
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Thanks Fred...I did not go to see Iris petrana this year.
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Hi Miriam, Lovely, lovely pictures, as always. Thanks for sharing, I never get tired of them.
Hans, they must be clever little B's!
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It would be so great to be able to see these arils in their natural settings - as well as on a grave.
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Thanks a lot Miriam - for someone who is interestest to keep the pure species it is a paradise ... and a nightmare with all the insects. ;)
Great pictures Miriam! Grows Iris hermona only on this grave or does it also grow in the surroundings?
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Here some more pics of the garden - seems to be a good year. ;)
First the third Iris damascena-hybrid, then Iris kirkwoodii calcarea, Iris bostrensis, Iris atrofusca and Iris lycotis.
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Such amazing flowers, beautifully photographed. Thank you!
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It's a FANTASTIC year for you Hans !!! :o :o :o
The I. bostrensis and I. kirkwoodiae clumps are stunning !!!
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Hi Hans, those are just awesome. And well photographed! Well done.
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Miriam and Hans , such wonderful healthy ,free flowering clumps in your gardens - we will never see such an abundance here in Australia .
Hans ,ich bin ein klein wenig neidisch , herzliche Gruesse Otto.
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You're not the only one who's envious, Otto!
Pat,
4 of your oncos are just breaking dormancy now.
cheers
fermi
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Those signals on Iris bostrensis are amazing - reminds me of some of the signals that have shown up in some of my hybrids.
Fermi great to know you have some irises coming into growth. If we get some rain sometime mine might show up more. Only some of the embryo cultured irises coming up.
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Thanks all!
Hans, Iris bostrensis is really magnificent. I have seedlings of it...hope next year to see flowers.
There aren't plants of Iris hermona in the surroundings of the grave. However, not far (few kilometers) from this location there are serveral natural habitats of Iris hermona.
The flowers were planted there some many years ago.In old Arab cemeteries it is a common thing. Iris hermona is thriving on the grave because Hystrix indica can't reach there (because of the height of the grave) to eat the rhizomes. Hystrix indica is a serious problem for I.hermona in the Golan heights.
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[quote author=Miriam link=topic=9952.msg272391#msg272391 date=1364816056
Iris hermona is thriving on the grave because Hystrix indica can't reach there (because of the height of the grave) to eat the rhizomes. Hystrix indica is a serious problem for I.hermona in the Golan heights.
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Very interesting- I am really surprised that the porcupine, Hystrix indica can't climb onto the graves. I would not have thought they were so limited.
Astonishing the things one learns here!
Thanks again, Miriam.
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Thank you for all this details Miriam !
By the way, you also can eat Porcupine, after they have eaten the iris : may be a very nice taste ;D ;D ;)
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haha..after you Fred ;D
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Thanks a lot for the comments - yes this is really a good season so far and some are much more floriferous I expected this year.
Thanks for the information Miriam, I am not unhappy here do not exist porcupines, if there would I would invite you Fred (you are also invited without porcupines)! ;D ;)
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Iris sari ssp. manissadjanii flowering today.
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very nice plant and pic Rob !
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Rob what a great photo
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Tremendous Rob! Well done! (both the plant and the photo) :o
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At least, Onco season is starting here :)
One of the first one is Iris schelkownikowii, survivor from 2012 frost
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At least, Onco season is starting here :)
One of the first one is Iris schelkownikowii, survivor from 2012 frost
Some other references in the Forum to this plant......
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3915.75 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3915.75) 2009
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6651.msg217450#msg217450 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6651.msg217450#msg217450) 2011
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8382.msg241731#msg241731 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8382.msg241731#msg241731) 2012
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At least, Onco season is starting here :)
One of the first one is Iris schelkownikowii, survivor from 2012 frost
:o :o :o
Stunning plant Fred .
Here also the first of this year . Iris acutiloba ssp. acutiloba .
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What a pot Kris !!! Congratulations ! I'm not sure mine will bloom this year... :'(
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Wow! Some fantastic plants Rob, Fred and Kris! Really great Iris acutiloba ssp. acutiloba! :o :o :o
Here in flower Iris nectarifera and Iris lycotis with a curious visitor.
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What a pot Kris !!! Congratulations ! I'm not sure mine will bloom this year... :'(
Thanks Fred ! Yours is already building up some energy for next year .... ;)
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Here also the first of this year . Iris acutiloba ssp. acutiloba .
Wow you've got an amazing number of flowers in that small pot.
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Thanks Rob and Hans . I think they do better if not repotted each year . I suppose that once in 2 or even 3 years is better ?
The year I repot I have less flowers ....or is this coincidence ?
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Thanks Rob and Hans . I think they do better if not repotted each year . I suppose that once in 2 or even 3 years is better ?
The year I repot I have less flowers ....or is this coincidence ?
Ian always says (about other bulbs, not particularly iris) that if they flower badly after being repotted after a few years in the same pot, it is not because the repotting had that effect, but that the year before they were in poor old compost and so did not make their new buds.....
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Thanks Rob and Hans . I think they do better if not repotted each year . I suppose that once in 2 or even 3 years is better ?
The year I repot I have less flowers ....or is this coincidence ?
No coincidence I think. I see the same behaviour here
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Kris, Amazing clone!
great pictures from all :o
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Thanks Myriam , Luc and Maggi .
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Iris iberica ssp. iberica .
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Lucky you Kris to be able to flower Iris iberica ssp iberica - and so well grown as well.
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Kris could you please take a photo including the pot size from the side?
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With cooler nights the arils are starting to germinate more. During summer if any germinated I potted them up a bit more and today I planted out a few pots of newly germinated or potted up. J&J 595.320 Iris paradoxa, plus seed from the ASI in 06,07,11, 12 plus a few of my crosses from 98, 06, 07, 10, 11. And made sure I made a note on paper their planting plan as the kangaroos have been breaking so many tags by walking all over the resting aril beds. I pushed in the tags further than normal this time. The ground was pretty hard digging. Planting out early in the year gives the seedlings the best start to be able to cope next summer.
Oh for a bit of rain so that the kangaroos move on. At least I will be able to report how good kangaroo pellets are for the garden as there is a fairly even scattering throughout ;).
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.....................Oh for a bit of rain so that the kangaroos move on. At least I will be able to report how good kangaroo pellets are for the garden as there is a fairly even scattering throughout ;).
And I moan about cats ;D
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Lucky you Kris to be able to flower Iris iberica ssp iberica - and so well grown as well.
Thanks for the kind compliments Pat . But in my opinion I don't do anything special to this plant ....
Maybe there is something.....al my plants are my childs .... ;)
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Kris could you please take a photo including the pot size from the side?
Hi Pat , I try to make another picture the fortcoming days ....
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Two forms of iris acutiloba in flower now: acutiloba ssp. acutiloba with one round and one secoundary onco spot.
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and acutiloba ssp. lineolata (ewbankiana) with one so called onco spot
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very nice plants Luc ! congratulation ! I'm waiting for the first flowers later, outside...
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To compare two pictures of iris acutiloba ssp. acutiloba we photographed in Azerbaijan last year.
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very nice plants Luc ! congratulation ! I'm waiting for the first flowers later, outside...
Flowering is rather late here. And I have the impression that some plants tend to go dormant already due to the high temperatures.
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Hummm.. looks more like sap. lineolata ...
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Iris paradoxa flowering today. It seemed to take ages for the bud to open, but it was worth the wait.
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Iris shelkownikowii fully open today
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Beautiful Luc - well grown.
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I agree Luc, well grown ! Seems we have the same clone ...;-)
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Hans, Kris, Rob and Luc, wonderful work! Beautiful plants, great pictures.
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I agree Luc, well grown ! Seems we have the same clone ...;-)
For shure we do.
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Iris afghanica x acutiloba
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I don't really like hybrids but this one is stunning !!!
Is it one of your babies ?
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Great plants everyone .......
Here Iris sprengeri.
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Kris could you please take a photo including the pot size from the side?
The picture I promised you earlier Pat ...
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I don't really like hybrids but this one is stunning !!!
Is it one of your babies ?
No. I have enough with my two babies ;D
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Thanks Luc - now I have a better idea of the size.
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Thanks Luc - now I have a better idea of the size.
Hummm , I am younger Pat .... ;D
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Hummm , I am younger Pat .... ;D
He still thinks he's young ;D
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Iris kirkwoodii JCA590256 from W of Aleppo, Syria. A somewhat higher species.
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Lovely LucS. Both younger by far!
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Iris paradoxa (forma choschab) with small dark purple falls almost entirely covered with the dark beard.
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Iris iberica ssp. iberica from Georgia.
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Luc you certainly have a fine collection. What is the giant in the background that is flowering?
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Luc you certainly have a fine collection. What is the giant in the background that is flowering?
The kirkwoodii from Syria I posted earlier.
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Iris paradoxa from near Lake Sevan Armenia
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Iris acutiloba subsp. acutiloba from the Transcaucasus.
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Well done Luc ! acutiloba is great !!
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Luc, those are great pictures of beautiful plants. Well done indeed!
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Here is paradoxa Sevan from Janis and paradoxa Atrata from Leonid.
And the RC Andromache
John B
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Here is paradoxa Sevan from Janis and paradoxa Atrata from Leonid.
And the RC Andromache
John B
I have both paradoxa forms also in flower. Especially the dark form is eyecatching.
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Iris acutiloba ssp. lineolata from the Transcaucasus with the single onco-eye.
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Here the Onco-season comes to an end ....
Iris paradoxa (choschab form)
Again Iris sprengeri with more flowers ...
Stil two species to go ....
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Beautiful iris photos and so well grown Kris and John. :D :)
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Iris bostrensis
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Iris afghanica ( a Regelia Iris)
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You grow them well Luc.
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Iris iberica elegantissima opened today - first oncocyclus to bloom here in my current garden in northern New Mexico.
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Luc, your I. afghanica is lovely. It's one I would love to see in person some day.
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Congratulations every body for your plants !
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I agree with Fred. What wonderful plants.
Love the huge signal on Iris bostrensis.
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Most of my Onco's died this winter. Will try to save the rest with replanting in fresh soil and cutting of infected rootstocks. From 7 I. afganica alive two. One on picture.
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Iris helena (Iris acutiloba ssp. lineolata (Trautv.) Mathew & Wendelbo, Iris acutiloba var. lineolata Trautv., Iris ewbankiana var. lineolata (Trautv.) Gavr., Iris lineolata (Trautv.) Grossh., Oncocyclus helena K. Koch ) :)
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Most of my Onco's died this winter. Will try to save the rest with replanting in fresh soil and cutting of infected rootstocks. From 7 I. afganica alive two. One on picture.
What cause of death?
Fungoid infection?
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Here is I. kirkwoodii open today.
John B
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Wow some more aril treasures. thanks Janis, Ru and John.
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What cause of death?
Fungoid infection?
Started growing early, then came hard frost and I again covered them and below was too wet - so... followed fungal problems. Today I'm harvesting all what left and will change soil and will replant without watering up to late autumn.
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hi,
today, iris elegantissima opend her flower....
(http://im.bilderkiste.org/2136810015833/deds_006.jpg)
cheers
chris
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...and here is Iris acutiloba var. lineolata the first.
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Wonderful pictures Christian and Ebbie,
here finally my first flowers:
Iris iberica ssp.lycotis and Iris paradoxa ssp.paradoxa.
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hello, now in bloom, iris nigricans, stands next to i. elegantissima outside with rainprotection over the winter months....
(http://im.bilderkiste.org/8136828571154t800/dde_001.jpg)
(http://im.bilderkiste.org/0136828574326t800/dde_002.jpg)
cheers
chris
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Two new flowers today,
Iris acutiloba x barnumae and
a mysterious plant, grown from seed Iris iberica ssp.iberica from botanical garden Tbilisi.
Is this a hybrid and who is the father?
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udo, look here: http://forum.garten-pur.de/Stauden-24/Iris-der-Onco-Gruppe-13903_msg1931791A.htm#msg1931791 (http://forum.garten-pur.de/Stauden-24/Iris-der-Onco-Gruppe-13903_msg1931791A.htm#msg1931791) - I.iberica x shelkownikowi?
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Nice plants everyone. From me I nigricans and paradoxa choschap
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Dirk , you are growing 2 interesting and beautiful onco hybrids . I specially like the I. iberica x schelkownikowii ( camillae ) cross .
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many thanks Ebbie and Otto,
here a sister from this Iris iberica x camillae cross( i think ) in spring 2012
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My onco's seriously suffered this season. They were too wet in winter and started rotting. So I had no other choice that to replant them all although it happens in blooming time, but I hope that most will alive. Many vety difficult to grow were lost at all but suffered even such which I regarded as easy - sprengeri. But it bloomed below cover this winter. Surprisingly well flowered I. afganica. Good survivors were sari and manisadjiany and surprisingly well alived meda, ewbankiana and some others. Almost lost were various ibericas and seriously suffered paradoxa, too. So here flower of Iris manisadjianii made before replanting and bed with newly replanted Irises (onco).
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Janis I do hope that the remaining arils survive for you. Love manissadjianii.
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Janis, i wish your good luck with your Oncos.
Here some new in flower today:
Iris acutiloba ssp.lineolata
'' barnumae
'' paradoxa f.choschab
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Iris barnumae urmiensis opened today!
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Here is samariae today.
John B
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A few plants that are in flower at the moment.
Three forms of iris sari
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Two forms of iris sprengeri
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Iris iberica subsp. elegantissima
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Iris barnumae urmiensis opened today!
A beautiful species Tom and one that is high on my wish-list
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Here is samariae today.
John B
Outstanding beauty
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Superb plants Luc, John, Tom, Dirk and Ian!
Coming back from a great trip i found the last oncoflower for this year in the garden - Iris auranitica
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The auranitica photo makes me quite sad as I (and anybody else in his/her right mind) won't be able to see the habitat again soon :'(
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The auranitica photo makes me quite sad as I (and anybody else in his/her right mind) won't be able to see the habitat again soon :'(
A sad truth, Thomas.
Have you seen them at the locus classicus in the past ? ( http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/jun04/msg00280.html (http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/jun04/msg00280.html) - I wondered if this was you? )
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Yes, that's me. I was there about 6 times between 2003-ish and 2011, and once at the Tel Jafnee habitat (the type habitat of f.wilkiana, without finding it).
The area there is quite safe, as far as I know, but it is an island of tranquility in the Syrian chaos. No way getting there without crossing combat zones.
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It is so distressing that still there are such terrible areas of conflict in the world. One feels powerless in such a case but thank goodness that plantlovers can communicate, co-operate and co-exist in harmony.
A small consolation, but a straw to be grasped......
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Look forward to reading about your trip Hans.
Yes Thomas and Maggi it is so sad that men cannot agree and it is the innocents who suffer. The plants may be in even more danger as they will possibly be picked and sold by desperate people to be able to live once there is a semblance of peace.
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Janis, i wish your good luck with your Oncos.
Here some new in flower today:
Iris acutiloba ssp.lineolata
'' barnumae
'' paradoxa f.choschab
Dirk
Does your barnumae have yellow hairs on the fall - if not the plant is probably polackii.
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Three of mine. First time flowering for me I. barnumae. :)
Iris acutiloba
iris barnumae
Iris iberica ssp elegantissima
oncos
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Dirk
Does your barnumae have yellow hairs on the fall - if not the plant is probably polackii.
Arthur, i can't see a sign from Iris polackii.
Here my last flowers for this spring:
Iris elegantissima in two forms
Iris barnumae ( or a hybrid with this )
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Some first flowerings for me: iris barnumae urumiensis and I. gatesii, the latter one of the largest flowers I have ever seen! The red plant label in the bottom pic is a standard size to give some scale.
Alex
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stunning plants all!
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Something is happening in the antipodes - at last! First, an Iris atropurpurea from 1986 Shahak seed cultured about 20 months ago. It is the reddest atropurpurea I've seen in the flesh, and I understand why it is called argaman in Hebrew. Second, we have a lovely hybrid from Pat Toolan - PT0434, grows well, flowers well (Many, many thanks, Pat!). What more could I ask for? Hope you all enjoy them as much as me!
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Peter in New South Wales you are so ahead of plants here in South Australia. Great photos and great irises :D
Now a plea to all who have shown oncos this year to write a short article on your way of growing them for the Aril Society International Yearbook which is so behind at present.
I will gratefully accept ANY ARTICLE AND PHOTOS on behalf of ASI - or Thomas Fietz who is a member here too.
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Finally the arils have begun flowering in this wet cold winter.
PT0407 Iris haynei hybrid x Iris atropurpurea
PT0428 Iris samaraie x Iris atropurpurea
Iris atropurpurea looking too blue and is darker in better light.
Somehow this got mixed with the atropurpurea rhizomes
This last one I need to check as it is in front of Iris jordana but the tag is just about indecipherable.
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Pat and peter, nice to see the onco flowers back ;D
It's a good thing that earth has 2 hemispheres ! Here, of course, everything is dry and yellow....
I hope to see more in the next days...
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Iris atropurpurea from into the sun to then away from the sun to show the colour variation.
The gale force winds the last couple of days was not kind to the species hybrids.
PT0735
PT9904
Better leave it at this in case I go over the limit.
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Nice flowers, Pat, despite your bad weather. Here the weather has been generally nice but very windy, windy enough to shred petals and sepals and pull bloomstalks out of the ground on a couple of days.
Have had several haynei with a surprising amount of variation - from brownish purple through purple to almost black and variation in signals as well. My question is: If I select dark haynei x dark haynei and bluish haynei x bluish haynei, are the selected offspring still species haynei?
Hope you enjoy them!
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Beautiful Peter - what a difference between them all. Even with rain I was able to find some pollen to use this morning on different crosses here. I hope you are pollinating madly. Personally I would try to pollinate similar to keep them close.
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Very nice plants Pat and Peter !
Peter, if you cross Iris haynei with Iris haynei... you'll get Iris haynei, even if colors are same
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Thanks, Fred and Pat. I'm asking because I wonder how far selection for different characters (colour, signal, etc.) could be taken within the species before people would have difficulty recognising the flower as Iris haynei. It is a question that has puzzled me for a very long time. Perhaps I should try to find out?
Here are two of quite a number of Sharis x hermona from David Shahak seed. These have mostly large, showy flowers. Not species, but very nice indeed.
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But species crosses as Sharis is a combination of I. lortetii, I. gatesii, I. calcarea and I. susiana from David Shahak in 1975.
Beautiful photos Peter.
Wouldn't a species keep its main characteristics if you are crossing different variations?
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Hi,
I have just come into this thread for the first time for ages and I see Pat and Peter's plants way out in front of mine. It is still way too cold in Hobart for flowers and the current cold snap won't be making things any better.
Still such stunning plants warms the cockles of my heart. Well done to both of you.
Re species or not species (that is the question) I guess a range of diagnostic features determine speciation and flower colour may be but one. Then there will be a set of parameters within which color may fall. If one exceeds these is this not aberantness (probably a new word!) Rather than a new species?
Cheers, Marcus
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A few of the aril species hybrids flowering today.
PT0442
PT0817
I took pollen of 0817 to 0442 but broke the head off 0442 when pollinating - blow.
PT0472
Iris hermona hybrid dark form (?)
PT0421 - love the form of this one and will do more breeding with it.
Local Mediterranean Garden Club members coming tomorrow afternoon to visit so they will have quite a few aril species hybrids in flower.
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A fine selection of quality "lampshades" there, Pat.
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A few of the aril species hybrids flowering today.
Local Mediterranean Garden Club members coming tomorrow afternoon to visit so they will have quite a few aril species hybrids in flower.
Very nice flowers Pat . "The Local Mediterranean Garden Club " , that seems very interesting ! Here the mediterranean weather seems to leave us . After a hot and dry july and august everything gets back to normal ......
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Kris the visit of the Mediterranean Garden club members was blessed with lovely weather and plenty of arils and other plants that have to survive our long hot summers. Most members had never seen arils in person so that was a thrill for them. The 'river' in the front of the house was bubbling along over the rocks, grass was green and the sun was shining - what more could you want?
A few arils taken today:
PT9842 x 3 photos - all I want for Christmas is my two front teeth!
a view over some of the patches
PT0402
(I like it when the message comes up that I can't add anymore photos)
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Well done Pat, I am perpetually amazed at your plants. Even more impressive is the large number of other blooms that may be glimpsed in the backgrounds.
Here is a more modest contribution - three seedlings from old John Holden seed cultured in 2011 - I guess the seed were 25 years old when cultured. They were listed as HT-43 x samariae, up to 5 large blooms on almost three-year old plants. They made a spectacular show and are a credit to John Holden's breeding skill.
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Beautiful blooms Peter. I do love the samariae look that comes in some of the hybrids here over the years as most of Shahak's 'various choice hybrids' had samaraie or lortetii in them.
I will reduce some of the blooms photographed the last couple of days and post in a while. Ideal weather for pollinating - the best year so far!
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PT0416 maybe - this has lovely globular form with accentuated lines
PT0823 - good light brown dotting to give a brown effect from afar
PY0434 striking red thumb print
PT0442 before and after opening - yellow background and purple dotting and veins in lines
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Stunning flowers Pat, with such wonderful veining 8)
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Thanks Ashley.
A few photos from this afternoon.
I crossed PT0464 with PT0416 to keep the lovely form of these two.
Also PT0421 with PT0330 as they had similar form.
PT0426 has huge flowers on a stocky plant - it has to be nearly the largest bloom I grow.
Too much cold and rain has made the leaves like this. 27C tomorrow for a very early heated day.
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Peter and Pat,
your onco season is way ahead of mine; this is the first bloom - one of Pat's :PT 0317, I. hermona x ?, taken this morning as I raced off to work!
cheers
fermi
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Very nice, Fermi! Iris hermona seems to produce many flowers like this - large, showy, long style arms with large crests - and huge anthers absolutely crusted with pollen! I'm glad your season has started, mine is almost finished - much too hot too early in the year - a week of hot weather has compressed the season into only a few days!
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Fermi you have been having cooler weather and Peter has had so much warmer days except for the high 20s here last week.
I should have put an open day notice in the local paper last week for today but missed my opportunity. Peak bloom was this week. At least I am pretty sure there are quite a few pods forming.
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The second Onco is also one of pat's - Iris kirkwoodiae x Iris atropurpurea
cheers
fermi
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Glad you are getting some blooms Fermi.
Yesterday we had terrible drying winds that really knocked the oncos around and down. A few left standing tall but only a couple of decent blooms to photograph today- photos later. You must have received the wind too Fermi as John N at Yarra Glen got it too.
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Really, really nice blooms Fermi. It is only the middle of September and many of my plants are showing that they want to go dormant. Among them have been two very interesting Iris hermona. They were not quite what I was expecting, but still nice!
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The weather in Sydney has been very unseasonal this year - in mid winter we had huge rainfall - more than 12 inches (300mm) in ten days and then nothing for the next seven weeks. To top it off, the days have been above average temperatures climaxing in 7 of last ten days have been over 30C- ten degrees above average for this time of year! Many days have also had 60 - 100 Km/h winds. The irises have been very confused - most rushed into bloom, only to be blown to bits by the winds.
Many years ago I received some seed of I. kirkwoodii x Herb's susianus (Herb was the late Herb McKusick from the Aril Society International). This year, many of the plants bloomed, so I show a selection of the blooms. The range of variation was surprising to me, bearing in mind what I thought to be the closeness of the cross. Here are five of the seedlings which flowered this year which seem to span the range of variation.
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Today, I have a plant from seed from Ian Mitchell, labelled "near gatesii".
I don't really mind what it is near - I like it. Five stems, three-year-old seedling, 200mm pot. I had to keep it inside to protect from the wind! Hope you like it!
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Beautiful photos Peter. Your weather has been far kinder to the arils than our cold and damp for so long.
A rhizome I received as Iris susiana many years ago finally flowered today and it isn't correct. At least finally I know.
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Hi, just one today - a "near nigricans" from seed from John Holden:
(Nigricans x Ord Mountain) x nigricans. Very like one I showed last year but this one opened on a beautiful day instead of in a howling gale! Quite a small bloom, but very, very black. Even so, the signal patch was very evident, being of a different texture. Both standards and falls were very shiny, almost lacquered in appearance.
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Great iris Peter. I have mainly spend blooms and some pods forming now.
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Superb Oncos Peter, nice to see them in flower at this time of the year!
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First, almost the last bloom of the year - another large "near gatesii" (ZA077). Next, I'm not sure whether I should show the next three - they are from seed from Ian Mitchell from many years ago. They are ((Susiana x (Teucros x lortettii))x((Susiana x sari) x (gatesii x mariae)) and so are only 15/16 onco with the rest regelia - (ZA073, ZA074, ZA075). These latter are strong plants with multiple bloom stems. They have been a standout group of blooms at the end of the season. Hope you like them!
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I missed a lot ;D
Stunning plants and pictures Pat and Peter !It's really impressive, and we can see that this plants love your climate :)
I hope to see more.... here first leaves are just emerging from the ground ;)
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Many thanks, Hans, Fred, Pat and all. Yesterday I had a bud with the merest hint of colour, today after a night with minimum temperature of 18C, I had this paradoxa (from Vanadzor, Armenia, ZB078A).
Melted my cold heart!
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Peter the falls always remind me of bumble bees.
Fred as we didn't seem to have so many checking the onco thread I haven't posted all that I could have.
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Fred as we didn't seem to have so many checking the onco thread I haven't posted all that I could have.
Crikey, Pat, nearly eight thousand people aren't enough for you?
Our experience has been that the more there is to see the more there are looking!
If the thumbnail photos are nice and clear then not everyone will open them - so figures for that are sometimes lower than one might expect - as folks just open the ones they really want to drool over!
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Two red faced experiences today now!!
Not knowing a certain old rose - Golden Vision - when I visited an old farmhouse today to check out an old climbing rose for a contact. One of those 'of course' moments when I saw the photos on www.helpmefind.com/roses (http://www.helpmefind.com/roses)
And now my not knowing that the counter is only for those who increase the thumbnail. Ho Hum ???
Thanks Maggie.
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Very nice paradoxa Peter !
Pat, I think many people are looking at onco pictures.... and even if not so many... I enjoy to see them ;D :) so please.. do it for me 8) ::) :-*
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I like to look too!
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Most of the arils have finished now with a couple of possibles but mainly arilbreds coming on now. These photos are from last week.
Iris samariae - can't work out how to take this photo off which was posted by mistake. This doe kid is our new family member.
PT0719 = various choice hybrids (ex Shahak) x (Princess Maya x Ravid (light))
Not susiana - I have waited years and years for this one to build up slowly, look virused as heck by the end of each season and this year it finally flowered. And it is NOT Iris susiana :'( So I am now of the opinion that Iris susiana is lost completely in Australia.
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Now to try again with Iris samaraie (ex Shahak)
I used PT0328 which is a medium size flower with a huge signal over the following PT9815 which has huge flowers (photo taken after a windy night) but a small signal to see what results. And the reverse cross as well.
I have two pods forming on (Iris subbiflora x Iris revoluta) using one of my crosses from 2004. I only tried these two thinking that it wouldn't work. Must play around a bit more next year.
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Very nice flowers again Pat.
I think iris susiana is Iris sofarana, and the all old stock is infected by virus. lost in cultivation I think.