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Title: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Stan da Prato on December 01, 2012, 09:53:44 PM
Narcissus romieuxii Treble Chance originally from Rob Potterton who says it was selected then named   by his father in the 1970s - he  had put three xxx s on the  label.
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Post by: David Nicholson on December 02, 2012, 07:52:00 PM
Nice pot-full Stan.

Here's my first of the season Narcissus 'Taffeta' slow to offset for me and I can never get the mature bulbs to flower at the same time. I doubt if I shall have any more to show for the next couple of weeks at least.


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Post by: frits.kp on December 02, 2012, 08:01:38 PM
That's an amazing Narcissus, must look out for that one
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on December 02, 2012, 08:07:43 PM
Narcissus  Mesatlanticus  x Camoro hyb
Narcissus romieuxii seedling
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Post by: ArnoldT on December 04, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
Narcissus cantabricus 'Peppermint'
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 04, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Pretty as a a Peppermint Picture, Arnold!
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Post by: ArnoldT on December 07, 2012, 02:30:06 AM
Here's another Maggi.

Narcissus Jessamy
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Post by: annew on December 07, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
Very nice, Arnold, you are way ahead of us.
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Post by: ArnoldT on December 07, 2012, 09:23:54 PM
Anne:

Last year one clone was on the 10th of December the other on the 31st.
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Post by: Anthony Darby on December 08, 2012, 12:30:31 AM
I'm looking forward to my first winter narcissi in a year or two.
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Post by: ArnoldT on December 11, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
Narcissus cantabricus 'Silver Palace'

Selection of:

N. cantabricus subsp. cantabricus var. foliosus

I may have called this Silver Palate in the past as a result of writing on a curved discarded venetian blind strip.
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 11, 2012, 05:25:33 PM
Narcissus cantabricus 'Silver Palace'

Selection of:

N. cantabricus subsp. cantabricus var. foliosus

I may have called this Silver Palate in the past as a result of writing on a curved discarded venetian blind strip.

 Oh my word, this has made us laugh!
I & M - from the land of the home made venetian-blind-label!
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Post by: ArnoldT on December 15, 2012, 04:04:22 PM
N. cantabricus subsp. cantabricus var. kesticus

Named after Mt. Kest, otherwise known as Jbel Lekst, in Morocco where it grows. Mt. Kest is part of the Anti-Atlas mountains.
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Post by: annew on December 15, 2012, 04:29:05 PM
That is a beauty, lovely green throat.
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Post by: David Nicholson on December 15, 2012, 04:34:12 PM
Seconded, really nice Arnold.
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Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 15, 2012, 05:11:03 PM
Yeah, a lovely flower Arnold !
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on December 15, 2012, 05:28:39 PM
Narcissus romieuxii  (Seedling)  from Julia Jane.
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Post by: ArnoldT on December 15, 2012, 10:51:43 PM
Thanks to all for the kind comments.  I haven't repotted in three years and was going to do this year but never got to it.

I've been using a fertilizing product designed for soil and hydroponic applications.

It has worked very well.

All of the miniature Narcissus are throwing up many flowering stems.

http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Pro-Soil-1-4-5-P49C2.aspx (http://www.botanicare.com/Pure-Blend-Pro-Soil-1-4-5-P49C2.aspx)

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Post by: ArnoldT on December 18, 2012, 06:27:45 PM
Narcissus romieuxii var. mesatlanticus
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Post by: Gerdk on December 21, 2012, 11:14:12 AM
Just in flower - autumnal or already  winter flowering?
(sorry for the bad quality of the first pic)

Narcissus serotinus s.str. from Spain - always later than N. miniatus/obsoletus
Narcissus miniatus from Crete with unusually coloured yellow corona
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Post by: David Nicholson on December 21, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
Still not a lot flowering in my greenhouse. When I re-potted earlier in the year I merged a number of pots Narcissus bulbocodium seedlings and forms in order to save space and this was one of those so merged but I wonder if I have a label problem? These do look like N. romieuxii to me, but then, what do I know!
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Post by: Anthony Darby on December 23, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
I think we are crossing into winter/spring flowering narcissi now?
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Post by: ArnoldT on December 25, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
Narcissus cantabricus x romieuxii
Narcissus bulbocodium var. genuinus 
Narcissus romieuxii Julia Jane
Narcissus romieuxii var. mesatlanticus
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Post by: Tony Willis on December 27, 2012, 11:14:03 AM
Narcissus 'Camoro'

Anthony winter has not started here yet just a few cold days so spring seems a long way off.
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Post by: Anthony Darby on December 28, 2012, 07:35:52 AM
I'm remembering the winter of 2010-11. It started in November with 4' of snow that was still there when we left at the end of January. I seem to remember years when spring was April and May, summer was June and July and then autumn started in August.
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Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 28, 2012, 08:37:51 AM
Narcissus romieuxii "Craigton Clanger" - quite well known around here...  ;D - opened a first flower for Christmas !

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Post by: Maggi Young on December 28, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
What pretty portraits, Luc - I will go and speak to their brothers and sisters to  tell them they are being left behind :-X
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Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 28, 2012, 03:09:18 PM
Pretty flowers deserve pretty portraits Maggi !  ;D
Don't get the brothers and sisters frustrated, Maggi, after all, mine are growing 800 km more to the South... at the Flemish Riviera...  8) :-\
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Post by: YT on January 03, 2013, 08:12:06 AM
Happy New Year!

Narcissus albidus var. foliosus, ex. SF284. This is the first hoop petticoat at here this season and it's 3 weeks or more later than the usual.
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Post by: Maggi Young on January 03, 2013, 10:45:53 AM
Happy New Year, YT!

Our narcissus are late this year too. Ian is weeping about it in every Bulb Log! :'(

I see from your blog pages that you have a lovely Massonia in flower too - very nice.
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Post by: Darren on January 03, 2013, 12:54:58 PM
And an exceptionally nice form of M.pygmaea it is too YT, and very well grown! Massonia are very late here with some M.depressa only just starting to shoot. And I've Nerine sarniensis just coming into flower now - long after the leaves appeared :o

No pics of Narcissi yet but I've had 'Camoro' in flower for a few weeks now and some cantabricus are just starting to open. Timing seems about normal for these here but then I have not grown many hoop-petticoat daffs for several years after losing most of them one disastrous season.




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Post by: YT on January 03, 2013, 02:34:37 PM
Thank you Maggi and Darren :) I'll post the massonia pic to a suitable thread tomorrow ;)

Here, we had deadly heat and long summer followed by very short autumn, and winter came earlier. So, the autumn and winter flowering bulbs had not enough time to grow after their extended summer dormancy was over.
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Post by: fleurbleue on January 03, 2013, 05:46:04 PM
So nice pictures on your blog, Tatsuo  ;)
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Post by: Oron Peri on January 04, 2013, 03:49:26 PM
Narcissus tazetta winter flowering variety is in bloom at the moment.
Unlike the autumnal form (Oct-Nov) this form is growing in valleys in damp conditions, it thrives in cultivated fields.
These photos are taken few hours ago close to where i live.
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 04, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
Beautiful Oron.

Maybe this thread should be for 2012/2013 Maggi?

Well at last things are beginning to move. Clumps in the garden are showing a couple of inches of growth and the greenhouse stuff is beginning to move too now.

Narcissus romieuxii 'Craigton Clanger'- one that I don't find terribly easy to flower, certainly for the past few years it has broken down into very small non-flowering bulbs. Possibly my fault!

Narcissus 'Camoro' in a 9cm pot and showing it's lack of good light this year.

Narcissus bulbocodium (Moroccan form) x N. bulbocodium nivalis- one of Brian Duncan's crosses.

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Post by: Maggi Young on January 04, 2013, 08:08:18 PM
'Comoro' is  'Camoro'   ;)
Will ask BD what advice he can give you for 'C.Clanger ' - it is such a floriferous wee thing here.
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 04, 2013, 08:46:39 PM
Many thanks Maggi.
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Post by: Anthony Darby on January 05, 2013, 09:55:59 AM
I have seedlings of Narcissus tazetta. Time will tell when it flowers here.
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 05, 2013, 04:51:06 PM
Narcissus romieuxii from a generous forum member.
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Post by: annew on January 05, 2013, 07:58:00 PM
AT LAST!!! After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, my new website is finally working.  8) Please have a look at my narcissus galleries - I hope it works OK for everyone, please let me know if you have problems.
http://www.dryad-home.co.uk (http://www.dryad-home.co.uk)

Edit by maggi : please make comments on Anne's new website  here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9940.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9940.0)

I'm moving those already made there  :)
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Post by: ian mcenery on January 08, 2013, 06:14:36 PM
I had this as a seedling of narcissus jeanmonodii.  It is very pretty and a deeper colour than my camera shows
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 08, 2013, 07:10:47 PM
Narcissus romieuxii SF 126/1
Narcissus bulbocodium praecox
Narcissus hedraeanthus
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 11, 2013, 01:24:38 PM
A bit "squinny" this year I'm finding, but welcome all the same:-

Narcissus romieuxii JCA 805Y 'Atlas Gold'
N. 'Nylon Group'
N. jeanmondii

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Post by: Gerry Webster on January 11, 2013, 04:35:13 PM
Very nice David. You're a few days  ahead of me. Here  the permanently grey skies have resulted in very elongated  & floppy scapes.
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 11, 2013, 08:33:09 PM
Thanks Gerry. I managed an hour in the garden today before being driven in by rain, and that was the first hour of the New Year so far. Apart from the scent of Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' cheering me up there's very little point in starting anything meaningful outside as the soil is mainly the consistency of porridge. As Ian said in the last bulb log some of the little daffs are having a struggle to break through their spathes, the light levels have been atrocious, and I need to very smartly nip off the heads of any spent flowers before the fungus gets to them. Ah, the joys of gardening! 
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Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 12, 2013, 08:16:39 AM
From the master's stable  ;D :

Narcissus "Craigton Clanger"

and

Narcissus "Craigton Clumper"

So happy with these !  :D
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Post by: Ian Y on January 12, 2013, 10:12:34 AM
Nice to see them doing well Luc, mine are not in flower yet. :)

The flowering of the Narcissus these winter flowering Narcissus has reverted to the  timing I used to observe about 12 or 15 years ago.
I have changed nothing so it is all down to nature and our weather.

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Post by: Gail on January 13, 2013, 07:43:09 AM
Narcissus viridiflorus from Cadiz - should be an autumn one but flowering now.
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Post by: Angelo Porcelli on January 16, 2013, 02:16:35 PM
Narcissus tazetta italicus, a natural hybrid between N. tazetta and N. papyraceus, classic passed-along plant in Southern Italy, happily growing in my parent vineyard
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 17, 2013, 03:57:57 PM
Trying a new camera and lens.

Narcissus cantabricus
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Post by: Gerry Webster on January 17, 2013, 05:04:51 PM
Very attractive Arnold. On my screen the style looks yellowish which leads me to wonder whether it is a hybrid?
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Post by: annew on January 17, 2013, 05:26:01 PM
I think it's maybe just dusted with pollen.
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Post by: Gerry Webster on January 17, 2013, 05:51:38 PM
I can clearly see pollen on the perianth but not on the style. The filaments also look yellowish.
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Post by: John85 on January 17, 2013, 05:56:54 PM
In a public garden some narcissus are flowering now.They look  like Carlton
,just a bit smaller.Could it be some prepared bulbs that are flowering already outside?I guess they need to be replaced every year.Climate during the winter here is roughly the same as on the Cornish coast:mild but wet.
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Post by: YT on January 18, 2013, 10:29:00 AM
One of my Narcissus romieuxii has started blooming :) It's almost same as last season, by contrasts with my N. albidus var. foliosus that was posted here on 3rd Jan. that bloomed 3 weeks later than last season.
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 18, 2013, 11:30:09 AM
I've have a look at later today.  It came to me as something it is definitely not.

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Post by: LucS on January 18, 2013, 01:11:07 PM
The photo shows a N. cantabricus from wild collected seed as an example
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Post by: Gerry Webster on January 18, 2013, 01:55:00 PM
Yes Luc. Very nice - that looks like the real thing!
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Post by: annew on January 18, 2013, 07:53:59 PM
A very pretty form, Luc.
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Post by: LucS on January 18, 2013, 09:51:11 PM
Two more types of N. cantabricus :
Narcissus cantabricus ssp. (var. ?) foliosus and Narcissus cantabricus ssp. eualbidus
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Post by: Gerry Webster on January 19, 2013, 10:19:13 AM
A beautiful collection Luc.
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 19, 2013, 05:30:43 PM
Here's my version of N. cantabricus subsp. cantabricus var. eu-albidus.

It is listed as above on the Daffseek page with an image from B. Duncan.

Not sure why the hyphenation of the eu-albidus.

Also a N. bulbocodium from Morocco
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Post by: annew on January 19, 2013, 05:42:15 PM
I like both the N eualbidus VERY much! If anyone should have spare seeds at any time I'd be glad to buy or swap for them.
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 19, 2013, 08:00:07 PM
Yes, lovely Arnold, I lost mine last year.

Very pretty cantabricus Luc.
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Post by: Hans A. on January 20, 2013, 08:31:37 AM
Lovely narcissi!

N. tortifolius flowering the first time in my garden, it was a gift of a very generous forumist! Thanks ! ;)
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Post by: arillady on January 20, 2013, 08:36:01 AM
Seems to be a small beauty - for some reason I do prefer tazetta form of Narcissus flower to bulbocodium shaped.
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Post by: LucS on January 20, 2013, 11:13:11 AM
I like both the N eualbidus VERY much! If anyone should have spare seeds at any time I'd be glad to buy or swap for them.
I will H.P. the flowers.
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Post by: Gert Hoek on January 20, 2013, 12:41:06 PM
Those two are flowering in my greenhouse:
right: N. cantabricus ssp. foliosus
left: N. romieuxii 'Julia Jane'
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: annew on January 21, 2013, 01:22:22 PM
Thank you, Luc, I will be happy to pay or swap for them.
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 22, 2013, 07:43:27 PM
Narcissus assoanus minitus
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Post by: arillady on January 22, 2013, 09:20:36 PM
Lovely species Arnold.
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 23, 2013, 11:15:00 AM
Just done a bit of research on that one Arnold. There is a "minutus" listed in the RHS publication 'Botanical names in the genus Narcissus updated September 2008' as an invalid name stemming from Mike Salmon's Monocot Nursery Plant List 1994/5. Pretty little thing though whatever it's called.






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Post by: ArnoldT on January 23, 2013, 11:27:25 AM
David:

It probably came from Mike Salmon.  The person who gave it to me was a regular customer of Mike's.  Thanks,
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Post by: Gerry Webster on January 23, 2013, 12:05:59 PM
It was listed by Jim Archibald:

693.850 : NARCISSUS ASSOANUS (Michael Salmon's "var. minutus") Teruel, Ejidre, Travesa. Ex JWB 87-15 (A dwarfer, variant with a very small corona, which looks rather like N. gaditanus but is much easier to flower well.)

That's very early Arnold.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Hans A. on January 26, 2013, 06:24:38 PM
Some native narcissi of balearic islands next to a small creek.
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 26, 2013, 08:19:05 PM
Two for today.

Narcissus cantabricus clusii petunoid

Narcissus bulbocodium praecox paucinervis
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 31, 2013, 01:00:40 PM
Narcissus cantabricus subsp. cantabricus      

Derived from a collection by Rafa: Madrid, Aldea del Fresno, (see also JJA 699.814). These bulbs came from Kurt Vickery.  Most of the commercially available (imported) plants sold as subsp. cantabricus seem to be  var. foliosus.
This the first flowering here; I expect the flowers will be somewhat larger in subsequent years.
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Post by: Mark Griffiths on January 31, 2013, 01:41:20 PM
very nice Gerry.

For some reason I struggle with this species - but oddly N.romeuxii rifanus seems to do well for me - either raising from seed or bulbs it flowers well and increases, C.cantribicus usually dwindles to nothing in 2 years if that. I grew both in the greenhouse - is there some distinct difference in their cultural need?
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Post by: ArnoldT on January 31, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
Mark:

I grow both side by side and they get a baking during summer months where the greenhouse temperature reaches 100 F.

They are both in long clay pots plunged in a mix of sand and gravel.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Gerry Webster on January 31, 2013, 02:29:53 PM
very nice Gerry.

For some reason I struggle with this species - but oddly N.romeuxii rifanus seems to do well for me - either raising from seed or bulbs it flowers well and increases, C.cantribicus usually dwindles to nothing in 2 years if that. I grew both in the greenhouse - is there some distinct difference in their cultural need?
Mark - this the first time I've been able to get hold of subsp. cantabricus so I have no idea how well it will do. I have no problem with growing various forms of N. romieuxii though I wish I could provide Arnold's summer temperatures - the last two years have been miserable.
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Post by: David Nicholson on January 31, 2013, 07:19:55 PM
Lovely cantabricus Gerry and I concur in respect of your wish for Arnold's summer temperatures.

A couple from me from the greenhouse today:

Narcissus jeanmondii, this example from Brian Duncan.
N. romieuxii x N. bulbocodium this a gift from Ron Mudd (thanks Ron) this original bulbs from Rannveig Wallis.
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Post by: YT on February 01, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
Nice specimens, David :)

From my outside pot bench today...

Narcissus bulbocodium var. tenuifolius x N. romieuxii ssp. albidus var. zaianicus
N. romieuxii, a sellected seedling from a German collector
N. romieuxii var. mesatlanticus '筑波の花火(Tsukuba-no-Hanabi)', a 'spider flower' mutant from the ARGS seed distribution, was found and named at a nursery in Japan.
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Post by: Gerry Webster on February 01, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
Tatsuo - your plants are remarkably compact. You must have much higher light levels than we have in the UK. The first two plants are lovely but I'm afraid I cannot be so enthusiastic  about '筑波の花火(Tsukuba-no-Hanabi)'
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Post by: David Nicholson on February 01, 2013, 07:52:19 PM
That is one I would have sent to the compost bin but the others are beautiful Tatsuo
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Post by: annew on February 01, 2013, 07:57:21 PM
I have to agree, I sometimes get the odd seedling like that. Compare to the 'spikey' snowdrops though..
Your plants look very well grown Tatsuo, mine are much taller and fall over in the glasshouse if it is windy.
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Post by: YT on February 02, 2013, 03:13:27 AM
Thank you, all :)
And... what a lovely conservative society ::) ;D
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Post by: johnw on February 02, 2013, 03:29:57 AM
That is one I would have sent to the compost bin

David

We'll add your bin to our must list when visiting the UK next.  Long over-due for a Devon raid.

johnw
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Post by: annew on February 02, 2013, 02:57:14 PM
Thank you, all :)
And... what a lovely conservative society ::) ;D
;D ;D :-*
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: ArnoldT on March 03, 2013, 08:12:47 PM
Not Spring here.

Narcissus assoanus.
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Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 07, 2013, 03:55:01 AM
It's now winter here in the Sothern hemisphere and this daff could be considered an autumn flowerer but was planted late so maybe that's why it's only in bloom now.
First Stanza - a cross by Lawrence Trevanion in Canberra - N. elegans v. fallax X Soleil d'Or.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Rogan on June 07, 2013, 09:35:35 AM
That's lovely Fermi, and nice to have it flowering in the middle of winter   :)
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Post by: arillady on June 07, 2013, 10:28:23 AM
That is a great cross Fermi. Hope it builds up for you.
Old reliable double romans are flowering now.
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Post by: Anthony Darby on June 07, 2013, 11:45:42 AM
Like yours Fermi. Not too keen on these doubles. I have Narcissus malacitanus seedlings coming up for their second season.  8)
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 20, 2013, 05:18:00 AM
The "hoops" are into their swing here!
In our garden we always start with the white/cream ones followed by the lemon then the yellow.
Here are some labelled as 'Nylon'
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 20, 2013, 05:44:17 AM
This was labelled Narcissus cantabricus folious
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 20, 2013, 05:50:18 AM
These two (near the N. cantabricus folious) appear to be seedlings and look a bit different to the parents; the first seems to have a bit of N. romieuxii in it.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 01, 2013, 03:39:08 AM
First flower on another narcissus hybrid from Lawrence Trevanion in Canberra,
N.'03-01J' N. fernandesii x N. viridiflorus.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 01, 2013, 07:00:03 AM
This narcissus appears to be a seedling - the closest ones to it are white hybrids (Tarlatan and Ianmon) so the bees had been busy! It looks more like a N. romieuxii than N. cantabricus/bulbocodium to me.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: annew on July 01, 2013, 10:05:21 AM
Nice to see your daffs, Fermi, just when we're starting to repot ours.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 02, 2013, 12:05:56 AM
Nice to see your daffs, Fermi, just when we're starting to repot ours.
It's a nice thing about this Forum - you get to see into the future ;D
Here's that clump of N. 'Nylon' and behind it is yet another seedling which appears a bit different to "mum"!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 17, 2013, 08:59:16 AM
Another self sown seedling!
Looks a lot like "Julia Jane"!
And I didn't see that nasty red-legged earth mite in the centre till i had the pic on screen! >:(
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 17, 2013, 09:00:56 AM
Recently re-acquired Narcissus pachybulbus and here's the first flower head.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 19, 2013, 06:13:48 AM
Here is Narcissus panizzianus flowering today. With me it always produces flowering stems half the length of the leaves.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 22, 2013, 09:33:42 AM
Here's another of Lawrence Trevanion's hybrids;
this is 'Westholme' x N. viridiflorus; it's supposed to open 7G-G and fade to 7W-Y ; sort of half way there.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 22, 2013, 09:36:31 AM
Here are three of the 'Glenbrook Ta-Julia' grex which I got from Rod earlier in the year - of the 4 that I've flowered, each one is different so far!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: annew on July 22, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
Wow, Fermi! What fantastic hybrids! The 'Ta-julia' are presumably seedlings from 'Julia Jane?'
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 22, 2013, 12:11:45 PM
Wow, Fermi! What fantastic hybrids! The 'Ta-julia' are presumably seedlings from 'Julia Jane?'
Hi Anne,
Glenbrook Ta-Julia is Rod Barwick's grex raised by crossing Tarlatan with Julia Jane.
I think that there must be about a dozen forms. One year Rod actually had different forms available for sale by the numbers he gave them, but these came just as Ta-Julia - six "freebies" actually!
I've used pollen from Mitimoto on these 3, so look forward to the results ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 23, 2013, 12:31:48 AM
Is this a clone or just seedlings resulting from the cross?
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 23, 2013, 12:51:55 AM
Is this a clone or just seedlings resulting from the cross?
Hi Anthony,
I'm presuming he's just named all the seedlings from the cross as 'Glenbrook Ta-Julia' and has given the individual clones a number.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 23, 2013, 12:54:26 AM
Here's an early dwarf trumpet in the rock garden - we got this as Narcissus hispanicus  - but there were 2 bulbs and 2 types of flowers! The second type will probably open a little later.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 01, 2013, 10:16:27 AM
Spanish Narcissus cantabricus, from seed sown July 2011.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on August 01, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
That's good going AD, two years from seed. Mine seem to take four.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 02, 2013, 07:00:53 AM
These have been particularly quick. Others still look like two week old grass seedlings! I'll see how long it takes Narcissus dubius, N.X allenae and N. piifontianus etc.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Gerdk on August 03, 2013, 09:05:11 AM
These have been particularly quick. Others still look like two week old grass seedlings! I'll see how long it takes Narcissus dubius, N.X allenae and N. piifontianus etc.

--- tooo long - especially dubius - maybe southern hemisphere conditions will help to hasten growth.

Gerd
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: TC on August 03, 2013, 11:22:45 AM
Are they "winter "flowering ?.  I get confused with southern hemisphere flowering times.  If they flower for you in August, I presume that this roughly equates with February here.
I know in the distant past, I tried some southern hemisphere seeds and they tried to flower in our winter.  They did not survive !
I was under the impression that there was some sort of "time clock" with the seed germination that was geared to their original environment.
Your Narcissus have performed brilliantly.  Any seed that I sow of Narc. takes between 6/7 years to flower !
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 03, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
These were sown as soon as I received them from Spain, so I assume they have just set their clock to southern time. I have snowdrops, including mixed seed  and seed from Maidwell C, Swanton, Sickle and Maidwell L germinating now. I also have large trumpet daffs, tulips and Narcissus Polly's Pearl out too.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 06, 2013, 09:11:22 AM
One of the new daffs from Lawrence Trevanion in Canberra,
03-01MJ - Limequilla x Emerald sea?.

2 x seedlings of Spoirot

Two from Rod Barwick:
Thirty 'O
Ben Bler

cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: arillady on August 06, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
A daffodil from years ago - I think it was one from Harold Cross but it has long lost its tag.
this other littlie has also lost its tag due to chooks and lawnmowers.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 09, 2013, 03:51:33 AM
...this other littlie has also lost its tag due to chooks and lawnmowers.
Hi Pat,
it looks like one of the jonquilla group; can you get a close-up of the open flower?
 This little Narcissus cantabricus is flowering for the first time - seed from Toledo, Spain (thanks Rafa ;D ) sown in May 2010; looks similar to yours, Anthony.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 09, 2013, 05:25:46 AM
Mine came from El Escoril (thanks Rafa  8)).
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: arillady on August 09, 2013, 11:56:26 AM
Some better photos Fermi (even in the wind) - I am pretty sure it is N. fernandesii as other patches are starting now too. Half the size of N.jonquilla. I do so like these bulbs that are acclimatising here.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 12, 2013, 06:23:27 AM
A "new" Div 6 from Keira Bulbs;
Narcissus Camoro
Narcissus Jessamy
Narcissus Kojak
Some Hybrid Hoops - the main ones are Kholmes or Smarple and there are some seedlings now in flower and some looking quite distinct.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: annew on August 12, 2013, 06:08:22 PM
Very nice, Fermi. :D
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 14, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
Thanks, Anne.
More new ones today! :D
This tiny fellow was grown from seed sent by Rafa - collected in Spain.
The second pic compares it to 'Olumbo' - a more "standard" sized Hoop from Rod Barwick.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 14, 2013, 09:13:33 AM
Another new one from Keira Bulbs, a Div 6 Y-OR
And 2 of last year's KB daffs.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: annew on August 14, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
Those really tiny bulbocodiums are a favourite with me - the smaller the better!
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 16, 2013, 12:33:16 AM
Those really tiny bulbocodiums are a favourite with me - the smaller the better!
Hopefully it'll be receptive to pollen from a small white bulbocodium from KB.
The Div 6 Y-OR shown above has now developed some deeper colour,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 18, 2013, 12:19:12 PM
Will anyone have seed of Narcissus hedraeanthus available this season?
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on August 18, 2013, 06:21:50 PM
Sorry , Anthony, can't help.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 20, 2013, 12:51:22 AM
Sorry , Anthony, can't help.
Sorry, Anthony, it's one I've been trying to get for ages as well. :(
Here's yet another seedling hoop in the garden - definitely not the same as the rest of the clump where it's germinated as they finished a week ago and were much smaller.
(Apologies for the poor quality of the pics - I didn't notice the dial was on the wrong setting!)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 20, 2013, 12:54:50 AM
Another "new" one from Keira Bulbs this year - seedling #1 -KS -2- 2013, a Div 6 W-Y?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 21, 2013, 11:59:27 PM
A bit drizzly this morning but managed to get a couple of pics;
Tracey
Turland Gold from KB
not sure -10WW from GBF
(not sure - possibly Bezzababe 6YY from GBF) Itzim (Mitsch, USA) received from GBF;
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: annew on August 22, 2013, 07:59:02 AM
It's great to see so many unusual varieties in your garden, Fermi. I am up to my eyeballs trying to get my repotting done, and can look forward to our spring.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 23, 2013, 04:05:45 AM
Hi Anne,
thanks for taking time from the re-potting to look at our daffs ;D
Here's one I got as "Tatiana x N. cyclamineus" though I wonder if it was meant to be "Titania"?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on August 23, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
 Cannot find any registration of Tatiana as a daffodil name, Fermi, so almost certainly the Titania is the  6WW  from hybridiser   J. Lionel Richardson and  registered in Ireland in 1958. (There are three other Tiania registered, different sections)
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 23, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Thanks, Maggi,
I'll have to discuss it with Doug who gave it to me. I'm not sure if he raised it himself.
Tatiana might be a good name for it!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 27, 2013, 07:16:11 AM
The first of the triandrus hybrids! This one is from Keira Bulbs,
KB-M-64-91-1S
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 27, 2013, 07:26:48 AM
Another one of Lawrence Trevanion's "green" daffs,
Narc 07-03-MJ (Hillstar x Emerald Sea)
It  has a nice, sweet scent;
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 27, 2013, 09:01:52 AM
My goodness, KB-M-64-91-1S is quite special. I could live with that.  8)
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: David Nicholson on August 27, 2013, 09:14:24 AM
My goodness, KB-M-64-91-1S is quite special. I could live with that.  8)

Yes, very pretty but there are umpteen like it surely?
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: arillady on August 27, 2013, 10:28:18 AM
Fermi you do have a great selection of Narcissus.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Gerry Webster on August 27, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Yes, very pretty but there are umpteen like it surely?
I agree with David - very pretty but, insofar as one can judge from a photo, it seems similar to many others.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: Maggi Young on August 27, 2013, 11:30:59 AM
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Quote from: Anthony Darby on Today at 09:01:52 AM

    My goodness, KB-M-64-91-1S is quite special. I could live with that.

Yes, very pretty but there are umpteen like it surely?
I'm with Anthony - I  can see at least five flowers on one stem, the flowers are a  good size and substance and if it is a robust garden plant that stands well and increases - then it's different from most of the triandrus hybrids we've had in the garden here! Worth watching to see how it goes.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 28, 2013, 05:22:00 AM
I agree with David - very pretty but, insofar as one can judge from a photo, it seems similar to many others.
Hi Gerry,
Keira Bulbs have been doing a bit of breeding in this range of hybrids (AFAIK they are sterile, so no possibility for "line breeding"!); this and a few others aren't named - just released under their breeder identification number, so perhaps not exactly what they are looking for in regard to something that they'll name. As Maggi says this seems to be a good "do-er" and has come back stronger in its second year.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 28, 2013, 05:26:28 AM
In flower this morning,
Narcissus Fenben (?N. fernandesii x N. cordubensis?) from Glenbrook Bulb farms
Narcissus Kedron with distinctly orangey petals
clumps of 'Jumblie' growing in a mound
hybrid jonquils
species jonquils
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: annew on August 28, 2013, 08:41:41 AM
Very nice display, Fermi.
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 29, 2013, 01:40:47 AM
Very nice display, Fermi.
Thanks, Anne,
we often think of our garden as mainly a spring garden due to the huge number of daffs....and tulips....and iris....and other bulbs ;D
Here are a few more from this morning,
the first is a 6WW we got from Otto, but I'm not sure if it's Mitzi or one of the others he gave us!
the second is one of GBF's "breeders" - Littler Beauty x N. cyclamineus
next is also from Rod Barwick, 'Slip'ry'
fourth is 'Trena'
last is the "second form" of Narcissus hispanicus - the first flowered a few weeks ago - both little trumpets but distinct and received as the one species - but are they??
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Winter flowering Narcissus 2012 - 2013
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 30, 2013, 01:26:12 AM
A second Narcissus nivalis seedling has flowered and it's a pale yellow/lemon!
From the same pot of seedlings which produced that dark yellow one 2 weeks ago!
I'm amazed, I didn't know there was that much variation.
cheers
fermi
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