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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: stellan on November 05, 2007, 11:37:16 PM
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I was in Nagorno Karabakh (area between Armenia and Azerbaidjan) in October and found this Crocus. It was growing in the field between 5000-5500 feet. Can someone tell which species it was? There was only flowers and no leaves.
(http://www.utsidan.se/obj/photo/ff/ffa860e3e30710087c4740b817e85b4c.jpg)
/Stellan
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It is Crocus speciosus.
Thanks for posting - it is great to be able to share your adventures. I dream of the mountains as I cycle to my work ... but here it is very flat ;)
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> It is Crocus speciosus.
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> Thanks for posting - it is great to be able to share your adventures. I dream of the mountains as I
> cycle to my work ... but here it is very flat
Thanks. I have some more pictures of Crocus (Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Marocco, Armenia...) and I will try to find them tomorrow...
/Stellan
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Thanks. I have some more pictures of Crocus (Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Marocco, Armenia...) and I will try to find them tomorrow...
Yes Please :) :) :)
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Ok,
Some Crocus from Mount Uludag in Turkey. The Crocus was growing at 4000 feet and had flowers in early May. Mount Uludag are located about 100 miles south from Istanbul
(http://www.sandstorm.se/bonus/crocus1.jpg)
(http://www.sandstorm.se/bonus/crocus2.jpg)
(http://www.sandstorm.se/bonus/crocus3.jpg)
/Stellan
www.sandstorm.se (http://www.sandstorm.se)
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Good morning Stellan!
Many thanks for your photos!
Your yellow Crocus is gargaricus ssp herbertii,
the blue one is biflorus ssp pulchricolor.
I could not ID these only by the photos,
I know these two species grow on Ulu-Dag!
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Thanks Thomas...
Some more photos...
(http://www.sandstorm.se/bonus/crocus4.jpg)
From Marocco, Middle Atlas at 6 000 feet, 10 oct -06
(http://www.sandstorm.se/bonus/crocus5.jpg)
From Marocco, Rif mountains 7 000 feet, 25 oct -06
/Stellan
www.sandstorm.se (http://www.sandstorm.se)
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Crocus serotinus ssp salzmanii !
Great to have another biker in the forum! I've discovered your homepage
and became green for envy for all the trips you did :-\ I'm still dreaming
of such a trip, but I don't have the time - maybe in next life 8)
If you have more photos, please share them with us!!!
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At first glance I thought the yellow crocus was C olivieri - notice the few, quite broad leaves but this is not recorded for the area you state so Thomas diagnosis is the best one. C gargaricus often flowers before the leaves appear so these are not typical. Any thoughts from others who have visited this area?
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Tony, in my garden gargaricus also flowers without the leaves, but
in the wild this is not a feature for ID!
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... but here it is very flat ;)
From Costessey to the ring road roundabout on the Dereham Road ??
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OK Andrew - I used to bike up that hill on the way home from work ... I was younger then. But did you see where Stellan goes on his bike? :o :o :o If you put all the hills in Norfolk on top of each other they would not get anywhere near 10000 feet ;D
BTW - you must come and visit if you are ever in Norwich.
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Curious this Crocus with white anthers and very little stigmate. Is it a form of sieberi ?
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Tony G here is crocus gargaricus on ulu dag together with biflorus pulchricolor.In this area they are the only two species. I think you can see leaves are not present in the first but are present in the second and third at flowering. I think it depends on their aspect,many flower through running water and others are slightly drier.There are no sign with me in cultivation at flowering time on the gargaricus
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Thanks Tony - I knew when I saw you had joined our community that we would gain some clearer insight into some of the plants we grow. There is no substitute for experience of the plants in the wild, as an 'armchair expert' I simply dont have the full picture.
(Trouble is, if I start planning to go off alone to some of the places you have visited my wife would hide my passport!)
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TonyG
best to engage eyes and brain before typing.I looked at my gargaricus ssp gargaricus from Goktepe as opposed to ssp herbertii from Ulu Dag and these are flowering with and without leaves just like those I showed in the wild on Ulu Dag which is ssp herbertii.
In my defense those I have from Ulu dag are flowering without leaves.I did my previous post by trying to remember which is not easy as the years creep by.
Pictures attached poor but illustrative I think.
On the subject of C. ancyrensis which I have from several locations in Turkey they seem to grow okay(this may be their death knell).
I am allowed to potter off abroad okay as long as I leave a note of where our money is.In any case I have only nearly died a few times it does not happen every trip.
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Need another old bloke to carry the bags Tony?
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I am allowed to potter off abroad okay as long as I leave a note of where our money is.In any case I have only nearly died a few times it does not happen every trip.
Oh,okay then, that puts things in a much better light...... :P :-\ :-X
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Thats exactly the kind of post I have to hide from Jacinta :-X
But if you want a younger bloke to carry your bags I won't tell her if you don't!
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Can anyone help identify this crocus from my garden. It bloomed beginning November last year
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Crocus tournefortii isn' it ?
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Yes, with those frilly style branches it cannot be much else. A good form too.
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Thanks Dominique and Tony
I have no idea where they came from