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General Subjects => Travel / Places to Visit => Topic started by: alanelliott on September 03, 2012, 03:09:30 PM
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From the 3nd of July to the 31st of July I was part of an international expedition exploring the flora of the Darchula district of Far West Nepal. The expedition was organised and led by the Japanese Society of Himalayan Botany and consisted of six Japanese botanists from various Universities and research institutes in Japan, Dr Colin Pendry and myself from the Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh (RBGE) and two Nepalese members of staff from the Nepalese Department of Plant Resources (DPR) who, like myself were to receive field skills training. The expedition was is part of the Flora of Nepal Project coordinated by the RBGE. All the specimen data, maps and the field images will (eventually) be freely available on www.floraofnepal.org (http://www.floraofnepal.org) and use the botanical locator link in the top right.
My part in the expedtion, as well as to recieve training, was to collect specimens for DNA analysis as part of my PhD project to investigate the biogeography of the Himalaya. I was reponsible for collectioning Ranunculaceae, Papaveraceae and Fabaceae. I am currently writing up the reports for the SRGC, who have yet again supported my studies. The SRGC library will recieve a written report with details of the expedition and a preliminary identification list of the the species that were collected. As well as this report for the library I am writing a version for the The Rock Garden.
As they will be a little while in the making and publishing I'll share some images of the landscape and some interesting plants. But I'll start with some statistics. We flew from Kathmandu to Dhanghadi at 80m above sea level (asl). Next day we were taken by Tata bus, basically a lorry with seats and no leg room, the 150km (90 miles) north to the start of the trek. The bus journey despite being a relatively short distance still took 13 hours. Our route was North up the Chamilaya Nadi. We walked for 8 days from our first camp in the school grounds at Dethala (730m asl) to reach Joge Tal our highest camp at 3800 asl about 65km (40 miles) to the North. We spent 4 nights at Joge Tal before retracing our steps.
This was a big expedtion consisting of 10 botanists, 10 sherpas, 1 sherpa leader, 1 cook, 5 kitchen staff, 65 porters. In total we collected 1178 herbarium specimens with 121 wood samples and 150 cytological samples. Each herbarium specimen had seven duplicates made at the time of collecting. These were to distribute to various herbaria, unless they were CITES listed and in that case we collected two specimens for the two participating Nepalese institutes.
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The image above is the view down on our highest camp at Joge Tal at 3800m. The camp was at the meeting three glaciers below the highest peak in the area Api at 7132m althought what you can see is the slightly lower second peak at 7076m.
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The above image is the beautiful floriferous grazed pasture of the Joge Tal. We collected upwards of 40 species of flowering plants. At places the vegetations was easily 60cm-1m tall which is amazing for a grazed pasture. The regime was obviously just at the right level to keep the woody vegetation in check but not heavy enough to allow grasses to become dominant.
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Above is one of the many bridges that fell into the category of 'Things not to tell your mother'. This particular bridge was made from Rhododendron arboreum stems woven together and with a covering of mud and was actually sturdier than it looked!
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Cypripedium himalaicum growing at 4000m on the lateral moraine of the glacier coming down from the mountain of Bobaye east of Api.
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Above is Silene nigrescens growing on top of the Bobaye glacier at about 4100m. We spent about an two hours collecting the plant community that was growing on top the glacier.
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Finially today we have Saussurea obvallata this was growing to the east of the glacier about 4300m. We could smell the synthetic soapy citrus scent of the two flowering plants a good 500m away well before we spotted them.
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Super to see this, Alan - I have edited your post to show the photos full size.
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Wonderful Alan, thanks for sharing this and I look forward to seeing more from the expedition.
Cheers ;D
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Absolutely wonderfulo
Wonderful Alan, thanks for sharing this and I look forward to seeing more from the expedition.
Exactly what I was about to write!!!
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Today I am going to start with a bit of egg sucking. First we have a map of Nepal with Kathmandu, Dhungadhi and Darchula District highlighted. The second map shows the camps we stayed a rough relief map and the heights of the camps and the mountains Api and Bobaye.
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I’m sure most people will have a fair idea where Kathmandu is but Dhunghadi is rather off the beaten track. So to paraphrase Alec Guinness in Star Wars: “Dhungahdi. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.” Perhaps a bit harsh but it does have the feel of the Wild West. The airport is basic and run down, although it appears to be getting a car park. There is still evidence of the Far West’s recent troubled past with bunkers, trenches and barbed wire defences. Although nature is now taking it all back. The following day we drove past a smaller airstrip near Gokuleshwor about an hour drive SW from Dethala. It had obviously been on the recieving end of a severe bombing. The control tower and landing strip were wrecked the whole thing had been bombed out of use presumably because the former Government did want it in controlled by the Maoists.
There are no commercial treks that go up to Api the way we did. So we camped when we found enough flat ground and this meant some days were relatively long compared to others. One of the most interesting camps we were at was a police check point above the Bitale hydroelectric dam construction site. To cross the dam there is a temporary scaffolding walkway that is bolted to the cliff to get you past the edge of the dam. When we got over it and in to the check point we found out that two folk had died 11 days earlier, killed by loose rocks falling on them while on the walkway. Sitting in camp we continually heard the ping of stone on metal and we'd watch the locals would run across it as fast as they could go, no matter their age.
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If like Monty Don you are not a fan of Arisaema, apologies, but I am. I was first introduced to Arisaema when I was a student volunteer at Branklyn Garden in Perth by Boyd Barr. When I ended up at the RBGE I was fascinated by the distribution patterns within the genus. One of the first biogeography papers I read was on Arisaema and how with fossil evidence and molecular dating they estimated the divergence of the American species from the related Asian species. The timing suggested that the genus, like others, made use of the Bering land bridge. That blew my mind. That it was possible to do such a thing and as a result of that paper the analysis technique is something I am going to make use of in my PhD study and I’ll talk more about that another day.
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Firstly there was Arisaema tortuosum. This species was fairly common but not abundant. It occurred from 800m right up to about 3000m. There was a fair amount of variation in the colour in spathe and sapdix and leaflet width. All inflorescence had the distinct smell of mushrooms found in this species. This species was generally found in shaded, rocky ground and especially growing out of dry stone dykes around villages.
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Arisaema tortusoum was replaced as the common species in the valley by Arisaema jacquemontii above 2800m found as high as 4000m on the lateral moraines of the Bobaye glacier. Again found growing in amongst rocks but this time in open situations like boulder screes in the forest and in the grazed pasture near Joge Tal. The wicked looking impliment next to the plant is imaginatively called a "digger" a useful tool for gouging out bulbous plants and sawing and hacking through woody roots.
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Next up is Arisaema flavum. Much more restricted and only seen a couple of times. This species is a particular favourite of mine, I think because it is the least sinister looking of the genus. This collection was just beyond Khayekot at 2100m in the forest, growing on a ledge at the base of a cliff. The Japanese also collected it at 2200m, on an open grassy hillside between Lithi and Khayekot. That collection was much taller approaching 1m and very robust, probably due to nutrition more than anything else.
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Finally we have Arisaema utile and a gorgeous beast in my opinion. It was growing in truly remarkable mixed forest types north of Kayekot. The different types graded into one another and contained: Abies spectabilis, Acer campbellii, Alnus nepalensis, Betula utilis, Euonymus porphyreus, Rhododendron arboretum, Rhododendron campanulatum, Rhododendron barbatum, Sorbus cuspidata, Syringia emodi, Taxus wallichiana, Tsuga dumosa.
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Goodness, Arisaema utile really is lovely Alan. Beautiful markings on it too.
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Beautiful photos!
I think the slipper in the first series is C. himalaiacum
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Superb report ... can't wait for more please!
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Today I’m going to say a little about the collecting practices from the expedition. At the start of the trip each of us was assigned a set of families or groups of plants to collect. Each collection ideally had seven duplicates made at the same time, unless as I said earlier it was CITES listed and in the case there were only two duplicated made to say in Nepal. The idea being that it reduces duplication of collection. If everyone sees the same nice Primula, everyone collected the same nice Primula and at the end of the day there are 70 sheets of the plant.
The Japanese numbering system is fairly unusual. For example my first collection was given the number 1217001. Breaking down the number: 12 is the year of collection, 1 is first collection trip of the Society of Himalayan Botany this year, 7 is my personal number and the one that identifies the collection as mine and 001 is the first of my sequential numbers.
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Everyone strung out collecting.
Each time we made a collection we recorded basic information in our personal field books. We’d note down the collection number, a name (if you knew it), the date, altitude and GPS coordinates, locality information, and basic habitat information. Finally, a description of any features of the plant that might be lost when pressed and dried: things like overall height of the plant, largest and smallest leaf and/or leaflet, flower colour, colour of anthers, filaments and stigma etc. It is amazing what’s lost on a herbarium sheet and how plants change once dry and crispy. The plant was also photographed in as much detail as you could manage so that there are associated field images to allow future researchers to see things that might be lost in the taking of the specimen.
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Anemone polyanthes
My images field images are not always the greatest. Taking picture in the pouring rain under an umbrella in dense forest doesn’t always lend itself to artistic quality images. Also my aging DSLR is not great at macro shots and with hindsight I wish I’d taken a small compact camera to do those, but hey-ho.
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Collecting Loranthaceae was interesting you can't press it normally because they just fall to bits. The trick is to put the plant in a sealed plastic bag with alcohol for 20min. The alcohol kills it and the plant and it stays together.
We each had a Sherpa field assistance and without their help the trip would not have been anywhere near as successful. My assistant was a guy called Myce, very funny, intelligent and genuinely interested the work. Myce and the others had the eyes of a hawk. When we’d come across a plant we’d want to collected one quick look at it and they’d be off scouting about nearby to find enough material for the seven duplicates. While looking for the material for the duplicates they’d often reappear with another species as well or at times see something we’d missed.
The specimens would be put into folded newspaper with the collection number written on the bottom right of the sheet, and then placed inside a field press. The Japanese field press is just two rigid bits of plastic with a belt with a plastic clip to keep it tightly shut.
Once we got to camp we’d process the specimens before drying. This meant tidying up the plants from the field press making things like the front and back of leaves were visible and that the flowers were open so the fertile parts were visible. As we processed the specimens we’d take a little bit of leaf material, about the size of a penny, from each collection and place it in a “teabag” and it looks exactly like one. All of the teabags were placed into boxes full of silica gel with a good sealable lid to dry.
The processed specimens would then be given to the some of the crew responsible for drying the specimens. They’d make large bundles and then put them over kerosene stoves and dry them for three hours. Next morning at 6 am, with a cup of tea, we’d check to make sure that each and every specimen was dry before they’d be bundled up and stored. If they were still damp they’d be put back in.
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Most evenings Dr Colin Pendry and I would enter our field data straight into Padme the Flora of Nepal database, which we brought with us on a laptop, and Colin helped the Nepalese botanists input their data. The Japanese compiled their own spreadsheets and their data will be imported into the Flora of Nepal database at some point in the near future once its error checked. The laptop was also useful for having somewhere to back up images. We were able to take a laptop because the expedition had a generator, this let us have a few hours of light in the mess tent each evening, work on the laptop and charge cameras. It also allowed the trek crew to keep their mobile phones charged.
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Specimen sorting
Once back in Kathmandu we took over the top floor of the Tibet Guest House and spent three days dividing the c.8000 sheets from the 1178 collections. The seven duplicate sets are for Tokyo University Herbarium (TI), Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh (E), The Nepalese National Herbarium at Godovari (DPR), Tribhuvan University Herbarium (TU), one set was to be divided up so specialists on specific groups would get a set of a specific genera, for example Corydalis for Magnus Lidén at Uppsala (U). The other two sets the Japanese were deciding who would get them.
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Nice view though
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Beautiful photos!
I think the slipper in the first series is C. himalaiacum
I took the ident from the Nepalese botanist collecting them. I am happy to "crowd source" identifications.
Thanks!
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Somewhere I'll need to go for my own work, but did you get any Polygonatum images? I'll have to be more to the east near Sikkim and into Bhutan.
Very cool so far.
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Somewhere I'll need to go for my own work, but did you get any Polygonatum images? I'll have to be more to the east near Sikkim and into Bhutan.
Very cool so far.
Sorry didnt take any images of Polygonatum. We did collect 5 species, the only one with a field ident was P. recumbens. The Japanese Botanist Yonukura-san collected and imaged all those. We did collect a fair amount of extra rhizome of one species to fry up and eat one night - but thats no help.
Al
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One thing that struck me between Bhutan and the far west of Nepal was the lack of large massed populations of Primula that so often have that wow factor. When I was in Bhutan in 2009 there were huge swathes of Primula sikkimensis or at least large numbers of a species that occurred in over a large area. It was completely different in Darchula.
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I found a small population of Primula floribunda growing in a vertical wet rock face under a waterfall at about 900m, after heeding nature as you might say. As an aside quite often some of the most interesting plants and views were found/discovered after a “pitstop”.
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Primula munroi was only found in flower a couple of times up near the Bobaye glacier often as individual plants in the lee of boulders and never as sizable population. Another Primula species in the same boat was Primula macrophylla but I didnt see it in flower only fruit although a flowering specimen was collected by Colin.
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In the short alpine turf about 4300m on the edge of a wee snow filled gully there were a fair number of two species of Primula growing together. Firstly Primula reptans and tentatively the second is Primula elliptica. I say tentatively because it will be a new species records for Nepal if it is - it Keyed out in John Richard's Primulas and is pretty close to herbarium material from N.W. India and Pakistan. These were the last two pictures I took that day before falling unwell.
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I had a raging fever and the whole walk down is fairly blurry. I remember bits, like Myce picking the best line for me to walk and stumble down the hill and stopping to remove layers. The bridge (this picture taken as we left camp that morning with Myce in shot) is where my legs gave up and I collapsed in an undignified heap. Myce, the legend that he is, must have dragged me across because I don’t remember. I spent the next days and a half on my back in my tent.
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Crucihimalaya himalaica we found growing all through the sandy rocky edge to the river’s flood plain up at Jage Tal. You might know this better as an Arabadopsis but molecular evidence has placed this and a number of other species from the Himalaya and SW China in a new genus.
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I always like seeing plants I know from Scotland like Oxyria digyna a relative of Rumex. I’ve only seen this on Mull, where it was a much more vigorous plant, but it is a good example one of the many circumboreal plants that occur around the northern hemisphere and into the Himalaya. This floristic link in one I will be investigating in my project using molecular techniques.
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Another superb report, Alan - many, many thanks.
You reminded me that I was once privileged to grow (and exhibit) a large pan of Primula reptans in full flower at Southport AGS Show but, like everyone else in the UK (unless you know different), subsequently lost it over the following three or four years. A very tiny, but beautiful creeping moss-like species that honoured us with it's immaculate presence for such a fleeting but glorious period.
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Extraordinary adventure :o
You have realize one of my dreams ! So cool. 8)
I hope you make many other personnal photo of Landscape and plants of course.
Good continuation and see you soon.
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Greetings from a wet and windy Penicuik.I've spent this weird holiday Monday at home cleaning the data from the Darchula trip and here are some trip statistics based in the field identifications.
We made 1178 collections of flowering plants and ferns which cover 115 families and 338 genera. There are still 97 collections unknown to family and 276 collections unknown to genera.
Below are the ten largest families and genera in terms of collections.
| Family | # Collections | | Genus | # Collections |
| Poaceae | 80 | | Rhododendron | 30 |
| Asteraceae | 74 | | Carex | 27 |
| Rosaceae | 69 | | Potentilla | 19 |
| Cyperaceae | 49 | | Salix | 18 |
| Polygonaceae | 41 | | Rhodiola | 16 |
| Ranunculaceae | 40 | | Galium | 16 |
| Ericaceae | 37 | | Pedicularis | 15 |
| Orchidaceae | 36 | | Corydalis | 14 |
| Fabaceae | 34 | | Alnus | 13 |
| Saxifragaceae | 26 | | Impatiens | 12 |
and by way of penance here are a couple of nice pictures!
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Androsace lanuginosa at about 2300m near Ghusa
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Aster sp. growing near the camp at Joge Tal at 3800m.
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Thanks for your post ;)
36 Orchidaceae's you have seen ?
Have you somes photos for you to described the Biodiversity ? :P ;D
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36 Orchidaceae's you have seen ?
In a word no. mostly because I wasnt looking. We each had our own plants to collect. Ganga Dutt, a nepalese botanist, was collecting and photographing Orchidaceae. Sorry
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They say an army marches on its stomach and that goes for botanists too! We basically ate our way up to Api. As well as the insane amount of food that the porters carried for 100 people for 21 days we bought or collected food too. Nectarines and bananas were bought from farmers as we went. A couple of times we bought new tatties and ate them covered in garlic and butter while we processed specimens. The cook staff collected "greens" from the forest, there were plenty of Cucurbitaceae to be had and we even had young fern crosiers one night. We picked Berberis and other fruits when we came across them. One of my favourite was fried Polygonatum rhizome. We had that one evening after we found a clearing in the forest where there must have been thousands. Also our sherpas and the cook staff continually harvested fungi from the trees which was always delicious. We joked a couple of times about the embarrassment and professional humiliation if a group of professional botanists myco-poisoned themselves while in the field.
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One of the most interesting and locally important crops at less than 1500m was the Chiuri tree, Aesandra butyracea in the Sapotaceae. The expedition coincided with fruiting and we all had the opportunity to gorge ourselves on the excellent fruits and learn about its importance to the local economy. At Chureni village we were told that each family has 2 trees, from which they obtain about 200 kg of fruit which contain 100 kg of seed which yield about 80 l of edible oil, making them completely self-sufficient in oil. We were interested in the potential for commercialisation of this crop, and later at DPR we learned that there is a small scale processing plant at Gokuleshwar, but that it has met with limited success because of the presence of saponins in the fruit. So far no one has needed a kidney transplant so thats all good.
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On to a couple of random plants for this evening.
Firstly, Epilobium latifolium this was growing in the debris on top of the Bobaye glacier. It was amazing to see something so big and blousy flowering there. I like the irony of a "Fireweed" growing on top of ice.
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Secondly, Meconopsis robusta. This species is found from NW India to West Nepal. It is the furthest west of the evergreen rossette monocarpic species and is assumed that it is closely related to the likes of M. dhwojii and M. napaulensis. We've sent dried leaf for DNA extraction to the USA to be tested as part of a PhD project being done in Texas.
We found a single plant in bud on the way up to Api and decided to leave it until we returned hoping that it would have opened. Five days later it had. We only found and collected six plants. Interestingly, plants that were in direct sun had purple/black bases to the bristles on the leaves and stem whereas the plants in the shade did not. I mention this because the purple/black base to the bristles has been used as a distinguishing character between various taxa in the genus and in this case as least seems to be a plastic character dependant of the environment. The Meconopsis account in Volume 3 of the Flora of Nepal used this character in the Key to distinguish M. gracilipes from M. dhwojii.
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Hello Alan, I am green with envy that I was not with you but your superb report and pictures seems as if I was thanks for posting all the pictures and info, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Hello Alan, I am green with envy that I was not with you but your superb report and pictures seems as if I was thanks for posting all the pictures and info, cheers Ian the Christie kind
Cheers Ian. I'll have another couple of post yet i think.
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Today is just a wee summary of the vegetation and altitude from the observations in my field book. I’ve tried to illustrate with some images what the vegetation was like or refer back to previous posts.
I plotted our route to various point along our route from the start of the trek to the highest point I reached. The graph showing the altitude, with the Camps marked along the x-axis. Roughly where the vegetation changed is marked below the altitude line.
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On the valley floor at the start of the trek the vegetation felt very subtropical despite being so far north. This is attributed to the effect of the valley being so deep. The vegetation was fairly degraded due to agriculture and constant harvesting of anything that’s left for fodder. Both of these points are fair enough and they are far gentler at it than we are than we are with agriculture.
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You can see higher up the slopes on the above picture that there is open forest. This is Pinus roxburghii the dominant tree between 1300-2000m. The stands of Pinus roxburghii tended to be very open mostly grasses and some herbs as understory.
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The first of the two image I like because you can see the white dots of our porters with their “Japanese boxes”, weighing about 30kg if they were lucky, heading up the hill ahead of us. We found Meizotropis buteiformis growing on the way up.
From about 1500m Quercus spp. appeared and become dominant between 2000-2500m. Above 2500m the dominant tree was another oak, Quercus semicarpifolia. This persisted until about 3500m where we left and artificial tree line, although it was still above us on the slopes.
Between Lithi and Kayhekot there was much more open with grasslands, probably moidifed by human action due to it being fairly populated, despite being so steep.
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The riverine forests, beyond Kayhekot, at altitudes greater that 2000m were a mix of a number of deciduous species: Aesculus sp. Junglans sp. Acer sp., Alnus nepalensis, Betula utilis and Rhododendron campanulatum, R. barbatum and R. arboreum.
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On a steep hillside from about 2900-3100m, between Khayekot and Simar Kharka the dominant tree was Abies spectabilis, which had a mix of Betula utilis, Rhododendron campanulatum, Rhododendron arboreum and Tsuga dumosa.
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Above this altitude the valley flattened out to something resembling a glaciated valley. From here to 3500m there was some beautiful Quercus semicarpifolia forest. As we were now relatively far beyond the last permanent village, the forest felt very unspoiled until Dhaulo Odar where the temporary Cordyceps camp appears for a few months a year and it was fairly trashed.
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To the west of camp at Joge Tal on steep north facing slopes at about 4000m there were remnants of Betula utilis - Rhododendron forest. As a contrast the Mordor-esque the lack of vegetation on the Bobaye glacier at about the same altitude up to 4100m, the highest point on the glacier we reached, was only a few km away to the NE from the Betula forest.
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The sub-alpine and alpine pasture above 3500m was an impressive dense carpet of flowering herbs. The dwarf shrub flora associated with this altitude at the eastern end of the Himalaya was all but absent - Rhododendron lepidotum & R. anthopogon were to two most common shrub species we found. The slopes to the SE of Bobaye glacier with sparse alpine vegetation but classic flora like Sausaurea obvollata and the Primula’s I’ve posted previously to 4400m – but the vegetation extended higher we just didn’t get there.
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Today’s entry is just some random picture from the expedition. I’ve been databasing the Clematis specimens we imaged from the National Herbarium (KATH) at Godavari, about 40 minute drive outside of Kathmandu. It’s a weird building if you’ve ever watched Lost and can picture the Dharma Initiative buildings that are slowly crumbling in the jungle…you have it.
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We spent half a day there dropping off the duplicate set of specimens for DPR and I took the opportunity to image herbarium specimens that will be very useful for my PhD project and writing the account for the Flora of Nepal.
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This specimen is Clematis phlebantha.
The trip to the herbarium was a useful exercise because there are lots of specimens that I’ve not seen duplicated in UK herbaria. These specimens tend to be from the Mid-hills and the Terai. Western botanists, like we did, try to get as high as possible. The likes of Stainton, Polunin etc. and more recently Japanese and Edinburgh expeditions have neglected the Mid-hills. Plus no one really wants to spend any time in the heat and oppressive humidity of the Terai. Luckily there are an abundance of specimens collected by Nepalese botanists in KATH that seem to fill in the gaps. Working as a production line, Colin and I managed to image 630 specimens but we ran out of time at about 80% done.
Noshiro-san took pictures of people working so here’s one of me taking a picture of Meizotropis buteiformis and the picture I took as we left the camp below Lithi.
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I started noticing something quite strange when we went got going. When we walked through villages or passed people on the trail I’d always place my hands together and say Namaste or Namaskar depending on the age of the person. Normally I’d get a Namaste back but old men would almost invariably salute me. It took me a couple of days to realise that it was probably my choice in walking trousers – the only people I’d seen wearing combats were the paramilitary police that had a couple of checkpoints up the valley.
When we were almost Khayekot an old guy walked up to us and snapped to attention, saluted and he stayed in position despite my protests that he shouldn’t salute. I had to I saluted him back! Madness.
His English was pretty good. “Where are you going? Are you working Sir?”
“Yes we are on our way to Api. We are surveying the plants in the valley for the Flora of Nepal project.”
He looked mightily confused.
Finally is a group picture of the botanists and the Sherpa team - the Api Family. All the botanical jokes and puns have been done to death.
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Alan as I have commented on Twitter will post a reply here just to emphasize the strength of this blog, amazing pictures and brilliant, brilliant read. Will look forward to any further additions. Hope the SRGC print more in full SOON.
Kevin Pratt
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Alan as I have commented on Twitter will post a reply here just to emphasize the strength of this blog, amazing pictures and brilliant, brilliant read. Will look forward to any further additions. Hope the SRGC print more in full SOON.
Kevin Pratt
You are very kind Kevin and as it sounds like a guilt trip I'll happily add some more soon.
Al
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Thank you Alan this is a great thread also very informative. Thanks again for taking the time
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A brilliant thread, Al. You're a very lucky person to go on such a fascinating trip - thanks for sharing it. Liz
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Alan
Thank you very much for the topic. Lots of beautiful images and information! The trip was really great.
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Thank you Alan this is a great thread also very informative. Thanks again for taking the time
Thanks for commenting. It was the least I could do because of all the support the club has given me!
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A brilliant thread, Al. You're a very lucky person to go on such a fascinating trip - thanks for sharing it. Liz
Thanks Liz glad you enjoyed it! Sharing was my pleasure after all the club helped get me there!
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Wow, what an interesting report! And the pictures! The first especially appealed to me. ( Yes, I know we are supposed to care about the plants, but still, the landscape is breathtaking) I once red a report from an expedition in Kashmir, and found it very interesting. But this way, with lots of photos it was much better of course. I really want to thank you for taking your time to share this with us. I hope you are going to add more.
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It has been a while since I updated the thread and as the dog has been walked and the drive cleared might as well take the opportunity.
I recently submitted the final report to the exploration committee and I’m modifying to something that suits the Rock Garden. This evenings offering is just going to be some nice pictures of plants that have had the determinations done.
The collection statistics now stands at 1181 collections covering 121 families and 383 genera for flowering plants and ferns. There are still 129 collections only identified to Family and 52 collections as completely unknown.
Allium prattii grew in the remnant Betula-Sorbus forest.
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Anaphalis nepalensis grew in extensive patches in the flood plain near Joge Tal at 3800m.
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Leontopodium himalayanum grew around and on the glacier at Bobaye at 4100m.
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Finally my favourite Corydalis was Corydalis elegans. We only found a couple of times one was my collection east of the Bobaye glacier at about 4200m.
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I'll leave with you plant name anecdote. One plant we were looking for is the Western Nepalese endemic Primula ramzanae - which we didnt find. It was originally collected by Polunin Sykes & Williams (PSW) 42 in 1952. Turns out that the nepalese all laugh about this species because of the name.
Presumably a conversation between one of PSW asked a local went like this.
"What do you call this plant?" said PS or W.
"ramzanae" said the local.
"Oh ramzanae you say, I'll write that down. Primula ramzanae has a good ring to it." said in PS or W.
Bhaskar the Nepalese botanist based at RBGE tells me that ramzanae translates as "god knows" so now replay the conversation with the translation. It still makes me chuckle.
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Wow, what an interesting report! And the pictures! The first especially appealed to me. ( Yes, I know we are supposed to care about the plants, but still, the landscape is breathtaking) I once red a report from an expedition in Kashmir, and found it very interesting. But this way, with lots of photos it was much better of course. I really want to thank you for taking your time to share this with us. I hope you are going to add more.
The landscape was pretty amazing. But we had very few days where we had blue skies and snow capped peaks visible because of the monsoon. We were very lucky to get a break in the weather for a couple of days when we were at our base camp at Joge Tal - that you can just make out in the photo you are refering to.
Al
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Thank you for adding some more information and BEAUTIFUl pictures. I will keep an eye on this thread! And yes, language can be tricky, one have to watch out. But it makes it very easy to remember that species for the rest of the life, right?
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Did you find Clematis confusa in your field visit to Darchula?