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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: annew on March 02, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
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My crocus lawn is going to take a long time to catch up to Franz's:
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I've had this clump of C. tommasinianus (from Janis) for a few years, and this is the first time I have noticed the lilac veining on it.
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Crocus x leonidii "Janis Ruksans" out in the garden - flowering poorly this year - suffered badly from the severe frost ... :'(
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Do crocuses get Stagonospora? A pot of C. fleischeri appears to be badly infected by it. Also, my pot of C. minimus, has only froduced a few shoots this year. I knocked them out to have a look, expecting to find the others rotten, or eaten, but they are fine and firm, but still dormant. Any ideas?
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That lilac striped white tom is very striking, Anne. Did it come from Janis with a name?
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Just C. tomasinianus albus.
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Do crocuses get Stagonospora? A pot of C. fleischeri appears to be badly infected by it. Also, my pot of C. minimus, has only froduced a few shoots this year. I knocked them out to have a look, expecting to find the others rotten, or eaten, but they are fine and firm, but still dormant. Any ideas?
I don't know about Stagonospora, but crocus do not appear to be doing well this year. A number of mine have very unhealthy looking leaves & others have just disappeared. I assume this is the effect of the severe cold of the 10-11 winter exacerbated by the cold snap this winter
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In the quest to get some different coloured Crocus tommassinianus do you think a cross of 'Roseus' x 'Ruby Giant' or 'Whitewell Purple' would give enough variation to warrant such a cross? I don't know of any sources for variants of this species in North America, maybe some of the American forumist might know of one.
Anne - Stagonospora curtisii is specific to the Amaryllidaceae as far as I know. There are other Stag species that affect other genera methinks.
johnw
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Making a new thread for this month ;)
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I don't know about Stagonospora, but crocus do not appear to be doing well this year. A number of mine have very unhealthy looking leaves & others have just disappeared. I assume this is the effect of the severe cold of the 10-11 winter exacerbated by the cold snap this winter
Gerry - I was blaming the incredibly wet spring, summer and autumn for the lack of flowers on the autumn crocus. It will be interesting to see how the spring ones fare as it has been a very mild winter here. We had about 7cm of snow last night but south of here they were predicting 25-30cm. Mild tomorrow and 15mm of rain so we might just be able to inspect the snowdrops.
johnw
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Just C. tomasinianus albus.
Anne you sent me this Crocus a year or so ago and i have to say it is a little cutie and one of my favourites.
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Anne, I hope the white tom will eventually make an appearance on your sales list. I'm sure you'd have plenty of takers for it.
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Anne, i like your white form of tommasinianus! I have not seen any like it here here although some rather pale forms have appeared here during the years.
More C tomassinianus - and a few others that try to hide among them! They're all selfseeded though.
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Very happy to see this Crocus scardicus flowering 3 years after I got it, courtesy of a generous forumist (thanks, Tony!).
I have had less good luck with C. pelistericus; a few buds formed, but they aborted and I got no flowers :(
Alex
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That has got to be well worth the wait though Alex! :o :o. A little beauty. Congratulations ;D ;D
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Very happy to see this Crocus scardicus flowering 3 years after I got it, courtesy of a generous forumist (thanks, Tony!).
I have had less good luck with C. pelistericus; a few buds formed, but they aborted and I got no flowers :(
Alex
Congratulations Alex
I have the same plants from the same source but my pelistericus flowered well but not scardicus. :-\.
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Nice Crocus from all,
here after some days with rain some new flowers:
Crocus biflorus ssp.adamii, Caucasus
caelestis 2x, Turkey
leucostylosus, Turkey
nubigena, Turkey
stridii, Greece
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and more:
Crocus atticus from Mt.Vardousia, Greece
leichtlinii, Turkey
napolitanus, the first from the vernus-group here, Italy
suaveolens, since January in flower, Italy
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Just C. tomasinianus albus.
It's a lovely thing, Anne.
Perhaps Janus will have a comment when he's out of the mountains. Not like any of the variants here in Washington state that I've seen.
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In the quest to get some different coloured Crocus tommassinianus do you think a cross of 'Roseus' x 'Ruby Giant' or 'Whitewell Purple' would give enough variation to warrant such a cross? I don't know of any sources for variants of this species in North America, maybe some of the American forumist might know of one.
johnw
John. We have some interesting variants here in the PNW: seedlings, intentional crosses, foundlings. Some appear to be crosses with 'Ruby Giant' or 'Whitewell Purple' and C. vernus, including a nice pink. Some others from UK hybridists. I've made some crosses recently, so finger's crossed - so to speak. Give it a try.
Jim
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In the quest to get some different coloured Crocus tommassinianus do you think a cross of 'Roseus' x 'Ruby Giant' or 'Whitewell Purple' would give enough variation to warrant such a cross? I don't know of any sources for variants of this species in North America, maybe some of the American forumist might know of one. johnw
John. We have some interesting variants here in the PNW: seedlings, intentional crosses, foundlings. Some appear to be crosses with 'Ruby Giant' or 'Whitewell Purple' and C. vernus, including a nice pink. Some others from UK hybridists. I've made some crosses recently, so finger's crossed - so to speak. Give it a try. Jim
jim - Well sounds like I should do the cross to see what happens. Have to start somewhere.
johnw
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Hi Dirk,
Here's a slightly odd question - but do you remove all the dead flowers from all of your many plants as I find I have to here? I was thinking it must take ages if you do....
Or perhaps your climate is a bit drier than mine and you don't have to?
Alex
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Some Crocusses in flower here now:
Crocus chrysanthus 'Milea' (2x)
Crocus 'Hubert Edelsten'
Crocus 'Shock Wave' (2x)
Crocus x reticulatus 'Ego' (2x)
Crocus x reticulatus 'Janis Ruksans' (2x)
and Crocus 'Yalta'
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Lovely plants Wim, ;D. Your garden is certainly coming to life now 8)
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Flowering here now:
Crocus korolkowii CB form
Crocus Korolkowii Dark Throat
Crocus korolkowii Golden Nugget
Crocus korolkowii unknown
Crocus korolkowii Yellow Tiger
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Wim
Nice plants - here the Crocus are going over very quickly
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I planted my 'Shockwave' in pots and had not expected the amount of flowers - an excellent Crocus destined for the garden.
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Flowering now various forms of Bulgarian Crocus biflorus.
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Those are looking good, Simon. I hope your winter is over now..... :-\
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Thanks, Maggi. It's 50:50 at the moment whether we will have more snow this week ::)
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Yes, it's a bit early yet to be confident in heralding Spring here ,too :-X
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Just started snowing here Maggi ! ::) ::)
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Just started snowing here Maggi ! ::) ::)
No? Yikes. :P
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Snow here as well. :(
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That's good news for us- snow in the west usually means better weather in the east ;D
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Hi Dirk,
Here's a slightly odd question - but do you remove all the dead flowers from all of your many plants as I find I have to here? I was thinking it must take ages if you do....
Or perhaps your climate is a bit drier than mine and you don't have to?
Alex
Hi Alex,
i remove the blossoms only from the autumn-blossoming Crocus, there is in winter, otherwise, mould. With the spring flowering in open land with rain protection happens, actually nothing. Sometimes I remove them by the photo appointment if for it enough time remains.
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Hi!
Crocus from My garden!
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-077quapvUAs/T1PBIcTtKYI/AAAAAAAAE3Y/KEB4KuWvKWU/s800/IMG_8922.JPG)
Best regards! zvone
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Thanks, Dirk.
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At the moment one Crocus flourishes in my garden from Croatia, collected above Makarska on 500 m. What can this be for Crocus?
Thanks for her help, Karl
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It is beautiful, Karl.
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It certainly has a lovely, cheerful centre to it Karl.
Some more Bulgarian Crocus biflorus - an attempt to show the variability in flower form found here.
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Karl,
a wonderful colored crocus!
The only crocus with a golden throat I know matching for Croatia in my opinion is Crocus biflorus ssp. biflorus.
Interesting that there are no stripes or specles outside. A fantastic find!
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Simon,
another 3 highlights :o 8)
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Thanks Armin ;)
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Karl and Simon what lovely variations,good to see.
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Thanks, Tony. Hopefully more to come over the next few days.
Some Crocus biflorus tauricus from Janis.
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It certainly has a lovely, cheerful centre to it Karl.
Some more Bulgarian Crocus biflorus - an attempt to show the variability in flower form found here.
Simon Crocus biflorus SGBR Dark.JPG is simply stunning will you be collecting seed from these forms?
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Some crocusses of the last week.
Crocus 'Goldilocks' (photo 1)
Crocus herbertii (photo 2)
Crocus 'Blue Pearl' (photo 3)
Crocus 'Advance' (photo 4)
Crocus 'Ruby Giant' (photo 5)
Crocus 'Ladykiller' (photo 6)
Crocus 'Vanguard' (photo 7)
Crocus 'Ard Schenk (photo 8)
Crocus 'Prins Claus' (photo 9)
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Some crocusses of the last week.
Frankie, feels like.............Spring ;) ;)
Very nice to see!
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Beautiful display Frankie.
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Frankie,
very nice croci. It seems you got some sunshine :D. I'm surprised 'Vanguard' is already in flower. Usually it is one of the later flowering cultivars with me.
Still dull and windy here. :'(
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Can I officially say I hate this year so far. All my Crocus are almost over :'( :'(
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Can I officially say I hate this year so far. All my Crocus are almost over :'( :'(
Well, my Crocuses fall over due to wind and rain. 1 1/2 day sunshine last week :'(
Does vanguard cross with tommasinianus? This bicoloured Crocus pop up everywhere in my garden. It is looking a little similar to Vanguard.
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Lovely show Frankie, ;) :) :)
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Does vanguard cross with tommasinianus? This bicoloured Crocus pop up everywhere in my garden. It is looking a little similar to Vanguard.
Hoy,
possibly yes. 'Vanguard' is a selection of van Tubergen nurserie from a Russian C. vernus.
It is known since 1934.
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Can I officially say I hate this year so far. All my Crocus are almost over :'( :'(
Well, my Crocuses fall over due to wind and rain. 1 1/2 day sunshine last week :'(
Does vanguard cross with tommasinianus? This bicoloured Crocus pop up everywhere in my garden. It is looking a little similar to Vanguard.
Trond, I have the same 'problem' with bicoloured tommasinianus, but I have no vangaurd in my garden, so I suppose it is a variation of tommasinianus or maybe a vernus x.
Tommasinianus is spreading all over my garden in many different forms, but it is a pretty 'weed'. I think it really appreciate our cool and moist Nordic gardens.
Poul
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my Crocus michelsonii
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WOW ;D
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Crocus alatavicus
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my Crocus michelsonii
What a sight!
And these should be rare and difficult to grow!!!
Poul
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Crocus michelsonii grows very well, no problem
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my Crocus michelsonii
Superb, I'v never seen such a mass of C. michelsonii. Thanks for sharing.
Crocus alatavicus
That's an interesting form!
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Does vanguard cross with tommasinianus? This bicoloured Crocus pop up everywhere in my garden. It is looking a little similar to Vanguard.
Hoy,
possibly yes. 'Vanguard' is a selection of van Tubergen nurserie from a Russian C. vernus.
It is known since 1934.
Trond, I have the same 'problem' with bicoloured tommasinianus, but I have no vangaurd in my garden, so I suppose it is a variation of tommasinianus or maybe a vernus x.
Tommasinianus is spreading all over my garden in many different forms, but it is a pretty 'weed'. I think it really appreciate our cool and moist Nordic gardens.
Poul
Thanks both, Armin and Poul.
I know I have planted Vanguard sometimes but that's a long time ago.
It is exactly this kind of weed I love ;) And certainly tommasinianus loves the climate here 8)
Jan, You says C michelsonii grows very well, I can see that! What a sight!! What kind of climate do you have?
alatavicus is a special gem too ;)
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my Crocus michelsonii
Good Lord! Amazing!
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Trond, I have the same 'problem' with bicoloured tommasinianus, but I have no vangaurd in my garden, so I suppose it is a variation of tommasinianus or maybe a vernus x.
Poul
I think the bicoloured is a fairly common form of C. tommasinianus. I have them here though I have never bought them as such. They must be seedlings from one of the cultivars I bought long ago - 'Ruby Giant' or 'Whitewell Purple'.
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Today I decided to take off cover in greenhouses regardless of very contrasting temperatures. Last night we had outside minus 17 and tonight is offered may be even minus 21 C. In greenhouse temperature in night dropped to minus 9 C but in day with open doors raised up to plus 12 C. Some crocuses (C. hittiticus started and almost finished blooming below cover), but so many came up during few hours after taking off cover, that it is impossible to show you all. So at this moment some exceptional pictures.
I'm starting with Crocus hartmannianus from Dirk. Although not very typical, it shows some hint of black in anthers. In any case very beautiful this spring. I hope it will not killed this night.
Fantastical is chrysanthus 'Black Fire' received from Rik.
Then many isauricus are in full bloom. In this entry few flowers.
Janis
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Very beautiful Crocusses, Janis. Love the 'Black Fire'.
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In this entry hybrids between chrysanthus and biflorus isauricus. My favourite is 'Silver Gold' but I can't decide - which one of two seedlings must keep this name. Pure color and narrow tepals or speckled on yellow and better shape? This is greatest problem of plant breeder - to select best one.
Due my hand problems for me it is not easy to work at computer, so I will limit my entries with very few per day.
Janis
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my Crocus michelsonii
Amazing Didn't know there were that many in the world ;D
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In this entry hybrids between chrysanthus and biflorus isauricus. My favourite is 'Silver Gold' but I can't decide - which one of two seedlings must keep this name. Pure color and narrow tepals or speckled on yellow and better shape? This is greatest problem of plant breeder - to select best one.
Due my hand problems for me it is not easy to work at computer, so I will limit my entries with very few per day.
Janis
Those are all superb hybrids, Janis.
'Silver Gold' is wonderful, I like the second one the best, even with the speckles! For me form is the most important.
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Lovely Crocus Janis. ;D
Thanks for fighting the pain to bring them to us. Most beautiful 8) 8)
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Janis, some lovely hybrids there. LIke Wim, my first thought was that the second with the better shape was the best seedling, but the one with the narrower tepals is more colourful and eye-catching. It's a hard decision!! And Black Fire is WOW!!! Just superb colouring.
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Only one winner for me Janis. #1. May I suggest " Silver and Gold"? Silver Gold isn't quite right. It's #1 as it has much more style, more elegance and the beautiful black tube. :o :o :o :o. May I be the first to order one please? ;D ;D ;D ( maybe my hard hybrid stance is softening, thanks to all you forum ers)!!!
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Janis limiting to the best may cause health problems for us too .... my heart may stop, they are all so beautiful :D
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Janis,
what's to choose? #1 becomes "Silver and Gold" and #2 becomes "Gold and Silver"!
;D
If Marcus is still importing you can put us down for the second order after Ron!
;D ;D
cheers
fermi
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Crocus michelsonii grows very well, no problem
I have seen such pictures only once on http://www.wildbulbs.eu
Is this your site, Jan? ;)
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Yes, this is my website
http://www.wildbulbs.eu
Edit by maggi:
Primula photo moved here :http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8426.msg236702#msg236702
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Those are some stunning hybrids, Janis.
A couple more of your C.biflorus tauricus flowering here today.
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Another view of Crocus biflorus SGBRX1, which is larger than the rest in all parts and a Crocus korolkowii, which just popped out from a patch of Muscari- so I am not sure if it is a long lost bulb or a seedling.
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my Crocus michelsonii
Hello Jan,
I'm overwhelmed by your marvelous mass flowering of C. michelsonii. :o :o :o Congratulations for this great cultivation success 8)
Have you heard of the 'Crocus Group' yet? I would like to ask you to join instantly and act as a generous seed donator to help to spread the cultivation of this rare crocus species among crocus enthusiasts ;) :-*
More details about the crocus group: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2643.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2643.0)
Your picture of the blue/purple C. alatavicus is mouthwatering too! 8)
Is it a clone of the lost C. alatavicus 'Vaclav Lajn' (Czech breeder) or is it your own cross with C. michelsonii?
I assume me and the rest of the crocus groupies would like to hear more about this nice croci.
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In this entry hybrids between chrysanthus and biflorus isauricus. My favourite is 'Silver Gold' but I can't decide - which one of two seedlings must keep this name. Pure color and narrow tepals or speckled on yellow and better shape? This is greatest problem of plant breeder - to select best one.
Due my hand problems for me it is not easy to work at computer, so I will limit my entries with very few per day.
Janis
Janis,
all this chysanthus x biflorus ssp. isauricus crosses are spectacular. :o 8)
I love them all despite I know I couldn't grow and please any of them in my meadow :'(
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I will insert some 5-6 entries from greenhouse today.
Janis
as crewei Honaz Dag Archibald.JPG
atticus Amfiklia.JPG
atticus nivalis.JPG
atticus wild tricolor.JPG
chrysanthus black connective.JPG
chrysanthus Gembos yaila.JPG
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Some more
Janis
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Yes Janis ;D Very special ;D ;D
The crewei Honaz Dag Archibald is particularly gorgeous !! 8) 8)
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Now Crocus biflorus isauricus
Janis
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Why is it C. crewei 'Bergamo' Janis? I have many friends in Bergamo Italy and would love to give a pot full of this to them as a gift?
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Why is it C. crewei 'Bergamo' Janis? I have many friends in Bergamo Italy and would love to give a pot full of this to them as a gift?
I got it from late Jim Archibald by his wish - so I can't check it's identity. Locality name confuses me, too, but such was label.
Janis
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Thank you :) :)
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Crocus biflorus isauricus.
Janis
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Few more.
Janis
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Last entry for today.
Janis
paschei.JPG
pseudonubigena KPPZ-108B.JPG
rujanensis e Gothenburg.JPG
rujanensis from Jim Archibald.JPG
species nova RUDA-008.JPG
species nova RUDA-020.JPG
korolkowii-michelsonii-alatavicus today.JPG
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Unbelievable 8) 8)
You still show new things that are not just new but very desirable. Congratulations Janis ... superb plants.
Surely you already have enough material for a new book??? ;D
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I'm simply stunned by all these exceptional Croci Janis and Jan : Amazing !!!! :o :o
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Janis, fantastic show !! :D
Here some pictures from my garden:
Crocus biflorus ssp.pulchricolor , NW Turkey
`` michelsonii, pale blue form, Iran
`` sieberi from Crete
`` veluchensis, Rila Mts, Bulgaria ( the mother from 'Rainbow Gold')
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and more
Crocus carpetanus, Spain
a yellow seedling from Crocus sieberi , (Who is the father ??? )
Crocus sublimis 'Creme Diamond', also with a yellow father ( C.gargaricus ? )
`` paulinae, thanks Janis
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These are really some superb plants Dirk. Seems you grow them so easily, :) :).
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What wonderful crocus :o :o
C. paschei is a favourite of mine although I lost it last year so am back to seedlings again.
Those C. rujanensis forms are also very beautiful Janis, but your Species nova are really extraordinary.
Can you tell us more about this one please?
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Jan, Simon, and Janus:
Your photos and your plants are stunning! My head swirls. I can't even calm down enough to add names to my wish list!
Thanks for sharing them.
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Dirk, yours are wonderful, too!
All like jewels from a treasure chest.
Here are a couple blooming for me, but in the house and nursery store - too much rain as winter tries to end.
2 views Crocus kosaninii 'April View' though the first flower looks like the species, not dark like the cultivar.
2 views Crocus scepusiensis var. leucostygma which looks to be virused. Is it?
2 views Crocus vernus ssp. albiflorus - or is it a C. vernus x C. tomm. clone?
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It does look like a tommasinianus x vernus
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Those C. rujanensis forms are also very beautiful Janis, but your Species nova are really extraordinary.
Can you tell us more about this one please?
If we will look on map of Turkey we will see N of Manavgat (E of Antalya) where is Akseki and Crocus biflorus isauricus (generally with lighter or darker blue ground color of petals, anthers sometimes with blackish connective, but many only yellow) growing around it. Further to East - N of Alanya it is replaced by C. roseoviolaceus (very deep blue) making some borderline between isauricus and this one. Still further to East grows this one (my numbers RUDA-008, RUDA-020,JJVV-040) - there are no one blue, only whites mostly with distinctly black anthers or connective, rarely anthers is yellow. It is something close to isauricus but general flower color, anthers and geographical separation - force me to think that it is different. By EP publications it is regarded as isauricus aff. but I think that it will be described by him as new one very soon.
Janis
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an interest colour,
Crocus angustifolius 'Bronze Form'
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an interest colour,
Crocus angustifolius 'Bronze Form'
Interesting, but it is hybrid and sterile.
Janis
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Crocus sieberi tricolor
Two different sources taken today.
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Janis that region was on my target too but there were so snow and very short time.
There must be severel new specieses from that part ;)
That is the same crocus that the Özgür post two years ago from Karaman very good speckled one.
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Crocus kosaninii
and an unknown.
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Crocus chrysanthus Sunspot - 2 years in same pot without replanting, grown isolated as suspected for virus (some only this spring - top left corner plant) and
Crocus bed 2 days ago
Janis
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Why is it C. crewei 'Bergamo' Janis? I have many friends in Bergamo Italy and would love to give a pot full of this to them as a gift?
I got it from late Jim Archibald by his wish - so I can't check it's identity. Locality name confuses me, too, but such was label.
Janis
Is it possible it refers to Bergama near the ancient city of Pergamon?
This weekend we made a trip looking for different populations of Bulgarian Crocus chrysanthus. Its distribution in Bulgaria is now disjunct with some populations separated by land use change. Driving south towards Turkey the make up of the population changes.
In the Tundja Hilly Country we have found populations where the only differences are that some flowers have purple floral tubes while in others they are yellow. Further south in the Sakar Hills there are populations where markings are visible on the external 3 petals of the flowers. These are never very much but some flowers have a darker teardrop and some a darker whiskering effect at the base of the petals.
At an isolated population some 10km from the Turkish border much more variation can be seen with some individuals having darker stripes and/ or speckles covering the entire outer 3 petals.
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I am currently trying to build up a better understanding of Crocus biflorus within Bulgaria. Again distribution of this species is disjunct due to land use changes. Populations from the SE of Bulgaria in the Tundja Hilly Country, Sakar and Strandja floristic regions are much paler than our local populations here in the Stara Planina.
Although some populations number in the thousands the main forms range from white to pale blue most having only a slight degree of marking or striping on the external petals. These pictures show some of the forms, which can be seen in these areas.
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Simon very nice chrysanthus and adamii forms..
It seems this biflorus adamii is very rich in variation.
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Thanks Ibrahim. From memory these forms of C.biflorus seem to be similar to the ones you showed 2 years ago from your part of Turkey. What are your C.chrysanthus like?
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Why is it C. crewei 'Bergamo' Janis? I have many friends in Bergamo Italy and would love to give a pot full of this to them as a gift?
I got it from late Jim Archibald by his wish - so I can't check it's identity. Locality name confuses me, too, but such was label.
Janis
Is it possible it refers to Bergama near the ancient city of Pergamon?
Many thanks Simon, it looks perfect. The label was hand-written so it is possible that I misread it and "Bargamo" sounded for me more common, although I didn't think about Italy, of course.
Janis
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Why is it C. crewei 'Bergamo' Janis? I have many friends in Bergamo Italy and would love to give a pot full of this to them as a gift?
I got it from late Jim Archibald by his wish - so I can't check it's identity. Locality name confuses me, too, but such was label.
Janis
Is it possible it refers to Bergama near the ancient city of Pergamon?
Many thanks Simon, it looks perfect. The label was hand-written so it is possible that I misread it and "Bargamo" sounded for me more common, although I didn't think about Italy, of course.
Janis
Pergamon is an old roman city. Now we call it Bergama which is a small city in the Province of İzmir and this area is nubigena location!
That crewei has dark spot in the throath which I have never seen in crewei. Ofcourse it has interesting creamy outer petals but for me it is more close to nubigena!
Kindly regards...
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Not up to the standard seen above but may be of interest.
Crocus pelistericus white form sadly nibbled on its way to flowering!
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If we will look on map of Turkey we will see N of Manavgat (E of Antalya) where is Akseki and Crocus biflorus isauricus (generally with lighter or darker blue ground color of petals, anthers sometimes with blackish connective, but many only yellow) growing around it. Further to East - N of Alanya it is replaced by C. roseoviolaceus (very deep blue) making some borderline between isauricus and this one. Still further to East grows this one (my numbers RUDA-008, RUDA-020,JJVV-040) - there are no one blue, only whites mostly with distinctly black anthers or connective, rarely anthers is yellow. It is something close to isauricus but general flower color, anthers and geographical separation - force me to think that it is different. By EP publications it is regarded as isauricus aff. but I think that it will be described by him as new one very soon.
Janis
Many thanks Janis. There seems almost no end to the diversity of crocuses in this part of Turkey. Stunning plants.
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This one is really true C. olivieri subsp. istanbulensis collected at it's locus classicus (not by me, of course). By flower not possible to separate from type subspecies, but it has different leaf morfology and corm tunics. It is first blooming in my collection. Corm from Ibrahim still didn't start flowering. I think this is first picture of this extreme rariety in our forum. As I hear, in nature there are not more than 100 plants left.
Janis
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I pictured few quite unusual Crocus tauricus plants. Seeing only flower I never could attach to them name of C. tauricus - dark throat, dark connective. But all of them are collected on Crimean peninsula. But identification isn't hopeless. They have very special basal rings of corm tunics. Very long tooth iterrupted by several short ones and again one very long and so. I don't know another crocus with such basal rings. Leaves are very greyish/bluish green, too.
Janis
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Janis, I was just enjoying that photo of C. olivieri subsp. istanbulensis- which I think is quite beautiful... then you show these tauricus forms- these are also exquisite.
Long live the Crocus! 8)
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C. olivieri istanbuliensis. Well Janis, I will send you corms of my plants later this year. You can then decide.
The pictures in your book, are they true C. olivieri istanbuliensis?
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Camera couldn't capture the right shade.
1-Michael's Purple
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This one is really true C. olivieri subsp. istanbulensis collected at it's locus classicus (not by me, of course). By flower not possible to separate from type subspecies, but it has different leaf morfology and corm tunics. It is first blooming in my collection. Corm from Ibrahim still didn't start flowering. I think this is first picture of this extreme rariety in our forum. As I hear, in nature there are not more than 100 plants left.
Janis
Janis istanbulensis is a late flowering crocus. On my collection they flower after than standart olivieri. Now all my olivieri are in full bloom but istanbulensis is just showed the nose.
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This one is really true C. olivieri subsp. istanbulensis collected at it's locus classicus (not by me, of course). By flower not possible to separate from type subspecies, but it has different leaf morphology and corm tunics. It is first blooming in my collection. Corm from Ibrahim still didn't start flowering. I think this is first picture of this extreme rarity in our forum. As I hear, in nature there are not more than 100 plants left.
Janis
Janis istanbulensis is a late flowering crocus. On my collection they flower after than standart olivieri. Now all my olivieri are in full bloom but istanbulensis is just showed the nose.
This year with me isn't very typical. Crocuses had some frost damage and comes up very unevenly - in some pots one corm is blooming, others only showing noses. In same time colours of many are brighter and deeper toned than usually - another feature of strong frost influence. Very few olivieri blooms but still not started mass blooming of this species. C. olivieri istanbulensis from you (Ibrahim) showed noses out, single corm from another source (it was specially collected for me) just started flowering. You can judge about sequence of blooming only in second year of growing when all corms passed same treatment in your collection during summer when organogenesis of new plant (inclusive flower) happen. All my istanbulensis I got last year, so it is for them first season with me, whilst type subspecies I'm growing several years and I have several acquisitions of it.
This is reply for Ron, too. Pity, but in my book under capture subsp. istanbulensis is picture of type subspecies. I got those corms from supplier in Europe to whom I trusted and only later got information that they originated from PC. This summer my source double-checked them and... they turned type subsp. I'm afraid that in collections under this name at present are grown mostly (if not even only) type subspecies. All my present plants (in total I have 5 corms - from Ibrahim, from another Turkish grower and from wild) where checked by corm tunics and their identity were confirmed.
Janis
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Thank you for clearing that up Janis. :)
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This one is really true C. olivieri subsp. istanbulensis collected at it's locus classicus (not by me, of course). By flower not possible to separate from type subspecies, but it has different leaf morfology and corm tunics. It is first blooming in my collection. Corm from Ibrahim still didn't start flowering. I think this is first picture of this extreme rariety in our forum. As I hear, in nature there are not more than 100 plants left.
Janis
Janis istanbulensis is a late flowering crocus. On my collection they flower after than standart olivieri. Now all my olivieri are in full bloom but istanbulensis is just showed the nose.
You are right, Ibrahim. All my earlier aquisitions of olivieri are in full bloom. Just checked them. I simply didn't give great attention to them as all are pictured, checked names etc. Without flowers are newcomers of last autumn - my aquisitions on Chios and Samos and from other growers - imported bulbs allways bloom later. But true istanbulensis I got only last autumn, too... and it flowers.
Janis
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In this entry C. chrysanthus with black in flower.
The first is quite well known SUNSPOT selected and offered by Bob Potterton. I selfpollinated it and this spring first two seedlings bloomed.
They both on next two pictures. That with black stigma today was backcrossed with Sunspot.
Next is specimen with black stigma which I found on Gembos Yaila, it grew through asfalt on ropadside and it took me almost hour to get it free
On following two are again chrysanthus from Gembos Yaila - one with black anthers another with black connective of anthers. Pollens from last three were used for cross between black stigma and black anther plants from Gembos. Hope they must be fertile as coming from same population. Additionally I used pollens of all on Sunset, but as I don't know nor from where Sunset comes nor chromosome number of all those - I'm doubtfull about success. A year before I got no one seed from such combinations (Sunspot x wild).
Janis
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Central Asian trio in full bloom today.
C. michelsonii
C. korolkowii
C. alatavicus
Janis
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Spectacular Janis, ;D ;D 8
Thanks for posting the 'Sunspot' seedling pictures. Hope you can post more if anymore of them flower, please.
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We have been looking at diversity in Crocus olivieri within Bulgaria. This species has a very fragmented distribution within Bulgaria. We have not yet visited the populations in the west of the country, but the central populations we have seen did not exhibit much diversity other than colour of floral tube.
One of the populations we know on the Black Sea coast has more diversity in markings on the outer petals. The most common forms are still those with pale flower tubes, but here some are speckled and purple tubes are not unusual. Some of the purple tubed flowers also have markings, which is something we have not seen in the population in Central Bulgaria.
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We have been looking at diversity in Crocus olivieri within Bulgaria. This species has a very fragmented distribution within Bulgaria. We have not yet visited the populations in the west of the country, but the central populations we have seen did not exhibit much diversity other than colour of floral tube.
One of the populations we know on the Black Sea coast has more diversity in markings on the outer petals. The most common forms are still those with pale flower tubes, but here some are speckled and purple tubes are not unusual. Some of the purple tubed flowers also have markings, which is something we have not seen in the population in Central Bulgaria.
In Turkey there are populations where you can meet all types of flower tube - almost white, greenish or purplish speckled or striped up to uniformly deep purple tube.
Janis
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To me it is interesting that the populations we have seen of Crocus olivieri and Crocus chrysanthus are more variable the closer they are to European Turkey. We have not seen this yet with Crocus biflorus, which seems less variable in this particular border area.
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Crocuses which we are naming chrysanthus by my opinion really are group of species and quite variable. I saw extremely variable population not far from Tashkent, which is quite far from Turkey in Europe - there almost each plant was different. I put puts with all chrysanthus acquisitions together and then it is possible to see that some are very large, some small and smallest are some from Greece and W Turkey. There are very uniform populations, too - on yaila near Kan gec (not far from Elmali) - there all plants (and they are millions there) are very uniform. I found only 2-3 albinos there, which this spring for the first time bloomed with me, and turned only slightly lighter than others but it can be caused by cold influence. I noted that after strong frosts flowers are more colored than after mild winters.
Janis
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Three my selecttionns from Crocus abantensis
Alba
Azkaban's Escapee
Dark violet
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Crocus leichtlinii
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Janis , very choice selections of your C .abantensis , in particular 'Askaban's Escapee.
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Crocuses which we are naming chrysanthus by my opinion really are group of species and quite variable. I saw extremely variable population not far from Tashkent, which is quite far from Turkey in Europe - there almost each plant was different. I put puts with all chrysanthus acquisitions together and then it is possible to see that some are very large, some small and smallest are some from Greece and W Turkey. There are very uniform populations, too - on yaila near Kan gec (not far from Elmali) - there all plants (and they are millions there) are very uniform.
Janis
My own thoughts and the reason why I posted pictures of variability in Crocus chrysanthus and olivieri here in Bulgaria are that when a species does have a wide distribution there will always be populations which are isolated and where the gene pool may express more variation than in a larger population. But can we look at populations from 2 ends of a distribution range and say they represent different species if there are intermediates throughout the rest of the range? Is it not better to view the forms as part of a species continuum and acknowledge that some of its populations will be more variable than others depending on events in the history of these populations.
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I agree, Simon. And this can only be assessed by extensive fieldwork.
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I agree, Simon. And this can only be assessed by extensive fieldwork.
I also think it is difficult to base any decisions on fragmented populations in areas which have been subject to extensive habitat change caused by thousands of years of agriculture and pastoralism.
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I I can agree with Simon persica and best sample is Fritillaria variation, I'm confused by great variation in 2n for C. chrysanthus, although for plants it is not so important as for ani,mals and then question comes about C. biflorus ??? ??? ???
Janis
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I agree, Janis. 2n can be variable for plants without being deleterious. But if one plant has a 2n of 8 and the same species is listed as having a 2n of 10 and these extra 2 chromosomes are just extra copies of 1 particular chromosome, then is it a new species or just a plant with more than 1 copy of the same chromosome? It doesn't have any new information just more of the same information. :-\
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Simon, I'm not great specialist, but I suppose that then it is regarded as same species in many cases. So it was explained to me by Arnis. My German friends - professional genetics - wrote me "DNA is excellent but it must be supported by morphology, too.". Sometimes DNA don't show impportant differences (researched are is some part of all complex) butmorphology clearly show you - plants are different. It is opposit situation.
Janis
P.S. I'm writing from Airport of Athens waiting next fly.
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travel safe, Janis, :)
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nice clumps, Guff!
They seem to like your climate :)
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Armin thanks.
1-2 Carpathian Wonder
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Guff, nice 'Carpathian Wonder' !
Here a similar form, Crocus heuffelianus 'Snow Princess' and
a Crocus receive under scepusiensis from Cakor Pass ( border Kosovo and Montenegro )
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Flowering today- some colour forms of Crocus flavus.
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Both lovely, Simon ;D ;D ;D, but I particularly like the pale form :o. It seems to have a beautiful pure clean colour in the shot. Is this a form you have selected or from someone else?
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We selected both of them, Ron. There generally isn't much variation in this species in the wild here- so it's good to see something different now and then.
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Guff,
Dirk,
I like all C. vernus from heuffelianus/scepusiensis complex. Excellent! 8)
Simon,
the pale C. flavus is lovely. I like the broad sepals. 8)
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Thanks, Armin.
A side shot of another pale C.flavus.
The weather here is in turbo mode at the moment. A few days ago these Bulgarian forms of Crocus tomasinianus were still under snow. Today they had 25C and some brutal bees to contend with.
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Simon, this pale yellow Crocus flavus is a beautiful plant.
Here 'some' ;D Crocus vernus ssp.albiflorus var.napolitanus f.drebachensis in the small town Drebach in Sachsen/ Germany.
Near the church on the first pic was the beginn with one plant.
Over 300 years later, this Crocus grown on over 7 hectare.
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Crocus meadows are marvelous 8)
The one with the white style is nice.
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Here reconciles pictures of Crocus napolitanus in Austria.
Karl
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Thanks to everyone for these wonderful crocus pictures. A joy!
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Karl,
mouth watering view. :o 8) 8)
It seems the weather is much better then here...
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Karl, phantastic :o :o :o
Nothing so rich at present with me in Greece.
Janis
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So many superb crocus in this topic, just had a brief look through to catch up, while on lunch break. Wish I had time to comment on some of them, but I don't.
No spring this year, we went straight from winter to summer, yet another day at 78 F (25 C), supposed to get warmer this week, and the crocus are jumping out of the ground. Just a few days ago, there was no sign of C. kosaninii, today this clump has approximately 150 flowers. Now I'm findind first-flowering seedlings in the lawn too.
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But my reason for posting today is to ask about whether a particular C. malyi form that has appeared from my in situ seed sowings over the years is worth selecting and naming. In the two photos below, we see a clump of C. malyi, the back portion of the clump are my original ones, the ones in the two slightly diagonal front rows are all mature in-situ seed grown plants, and they have enormous flowers, just about double the size than is normal. They measure 3-1/2" or 9 cm across. You can see 6 of the large-flowered ones in both photos, the more overhead shot gives a better idea about comparitive flower size. I also grown cultivars 'Sveti Roc', 'Ballerina', and a form collected in the Velebit Mountains (small flowered), but none have flowers nearly as colossal size as these.
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Maybe your Sveti Roc has been praying to whoever Sveti Roc was!
Flowering here Crocus abantensis is a shady limestone bed.
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Simon
Your Crocus flavus SGST pale form2a is exquisite. :o
johnw
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Thanks John- it was lucky that it did not look as tempting as the albino form next to it, which was nibble in the night :'(
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Maybe your Sveti Roc has been praying to whoever Sveti Roc was!
I don't know what that means.
Sveti Roc (also seen as Sveti Rok) is a more compact form with more rounded flowers:
http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=3484&strPageHistory=related
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I was referring to a conversation we had a few years ago- when we were trying to decide if Sveti Roc was a place named after a saint- Sveti being Slavic for Saint.
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I was referring to a conversation we had a few years ago- when we were trying to decide if Sveti Roc was a place named after a saint- Sveti being Slavic for Saint.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5096.msg142367#msg142367
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5096.msg142380#msg142380
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Hi!
Send picture Crocus vernus, that decorates my garden.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fQEJxPSFikM/T2YlCu_I6ZI/AAAAAAAAFnk/W3-BX5byXBQ/s400/IMG_9223.JPG)
Best regards! zvone
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I was referring to a conversation we had a few years ago- when we were trying to decide if Sveti Roc was a place named after a saint- Sveti being Slavic for Saint.
Crocus malyi (AH.8651) was apparently collected in Croatia - "on the road from Obrovac to Sveti Rok" (see map)
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McMark,
ohh - so lovely crocus clumps. :o 8)
I adore you - I lost about 30% of all of my crocus and other bulbs planted in my raised beds this winter (all C. minimus, C.corsicus, C.medius, C. cancellatus, C. goulimyi, C. ochroleucus, rare C. chysanthus & vernus cvs., all reticulata iris, some alliums, many tulips+seedlings, hyacinthoides hispanica+non-scripta, galanthus woronowii, cyclamen coum, colchicum, sternbergia+seedlings, leucojum aestivum, narcissus+seedlings...)
The unusual warm period of Nov. to Jan. forced the early growth, the 2 weeks lasting bare frosts in February down -18°C (no snow cover) killed all early stuck out shots.
Many I thought look o.k. 2 weeks ago turned to yellow and decompose as temperatures raised. Still green shots being stuck, show no sign of growth and I fear more losses. I could cry a river... :'(
Many crocuses in the meadow show small, stunted and dark colored flowers...
The gene pool became smaller but stronger - I hope at least. :-\
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To Simon, Maggi, and Gerry, thanks for jarring my fading memory, I had vague reminiscence of such discussions on the name, but a hasty search on the forum didn't find it right away.
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There's still hope, Armin. Whatever remains of the bulbs and corms underground may still be able to regenerate smaller replacements. We have had the same thing here in some years- a plants vanished for a year and then reappears smaller and slowly works back up to flowering size.
In the meantime there is always Saint Roch- nominated patron saint of Crocus malyi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Roch
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I lost about 30% of all of my crocus and other bulbs planted in my raised beds this winter (all C. minimus, C.corsicus, C.medius, C. cancellatus, C. goulimyi, C. ochroleucus, rare C. chysanthus & vernus cvs., all reticulata iris, some alliums, many tulips+seedlings, hyacinthoides hispanica+non-scripta, galanthus woronowii, cyclamen coum, colchicum, sternbergia+seedlings, leucojum aestivum, narcissus+seedlings...)
The unusual warm period of Nov. to Jan. forced the early growth, the 2 weeks lasting bare frosts in February down -18°C (no snow cover) killed all early stuck out shots.
Many I thought look o.k. 2 weeks ago turned to yellow and decompose as temperatures raised. Still green shots being stuck, show no sign of growth and I fear more losses. I could cry a river... :'(
Oh Armin, that's so very sad to suffer such widespread losses with your bulbs, I can sincerely sympathize with the distress you must have seeing so much lost. It seems abnormal weather is becoming the norm around the globe these days. It's way too early for the weather we're having here too, reached 80 F (26 C) today, has been record breaking warmth for nearly a week, supposed to get hotter as the week progresses, more like July and August. But fortunate for us this year, while winter was overall very mild, and our earliest spring ever, there were sufficient very cold and gray days to keep things in check, to keep the ground frozen and prevent overly precocious growth. With April around the corner, I'm hoping we don't get whacked with a very hard late freezing. But, it has been a banner year for the crocus, now frits, brodiaea, allium, tulipa, corydalis, are coming on strong... the chance of a late freeze is still very real here, I don't rest easy for several weeks yet.
But nature and our plants can be resilient, and I'm sure that in short order you'll be able to replace many plants. I felt devastated in October 2011 with the pre-Halloween surprise snowstorm, which because trees still had their leaves, they had no chance whatsoever with 14" (35 cm) of heavy wet snow, destroying a number of ornamental trees in the yard. A few I cut back to mere stubs, with the hope that they'll leaf out and regenerate.
FYI, I posted more crocus photos here:
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=952.msg15930#msg15930
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=952.msg15872#msg15872
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There's still hope, Armin. Whatever remains of the bulbs and corms underground may still be able to regenerate smaller replacements. We have had the same thing here in some years- a plants vanished for a year and then reappears smaller and slowly works back up to flowering size.
In the meantime there is always Saint Roch- nominated patron saint of Crocus malyi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Roch
So Simon, would there be an appropriate name for my super-sized form if C. malyi, perhaps something like C. malyi 'Roko' or 'Rocco', among the many alternate spellings of Roc from your link?
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Simon,
yes, hope is the last to die. I hope some of my buried treasures will reappear.
The bitter thing is it is now the second consecutive winter with fatal late bare frosts and losses. :(
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We had the same snow storms here, Mark. I hadn't realised they had happened in your part of the world too. The sheer number of trees brought down onto powerlines left some villages without power for weeks.
Our weather forecast tonight suggested that Madrid is expecting snow tomorrow- hope it doesn't head this way next.
Take the Stallone route, Mark, and called it Rocky ;D
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Yes, I'm liking that, 'Rocky' (Balboa).
We were without power for a week with that Halloween snow storm, some places two weeks. Then a snowless winter, until the beginning of March, another 13-14" snow, like bookends to the winter season. With the coming heat, I might be tempted to plant tomatoes this weekend ;D
The regular C. maly and the big-flowered offspring flower a copuple days sooner that C. malyi 'Sveti Roc' (just opened today, many more buds coming) and 'Ballerina' (also started opening today). I have been sowing seed for the last several years, and there must be a thousand seedlings coming up as thick as grass, some of them started blooming this year.
Photos:
1. C. malyi 'Sveti Roc'
2. C. malyi 'Rocky' ;D with in hand in the photo to get a sense of scale of the flowers.
3. C. imperati suaveolens (among the slowest to increase here, although I do have seedlings coming along)
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McMark,
thanks that you commiserate with me. I feel already much better now ;D
Let's keep fingers crossed you don't get whacked by late frosts, too.
Your crocus images in the NARGS forum are lovely. Like your chrysanthus hybrids.
'Rocky' is an appropriate name. Like it too. ;D
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When would be the most appropriate time to dig up my 6 corms of the extra large-flowered C. malyi. Last year I thought about the same thing, but when they go dormant and dry up so fast, I wouldn't really know which ones to separate, seems like I might need to do it when I can actually see which corms are the right ones by the growth attached to them. Is it bad to dig up crocus while in flower?
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Is it bad to dig up crocus while in flower?
Yes
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Is it bad to dig up crocus while in flower?
Yes
In my - very limited - experience, not necessarily. About six weeks ago I received through the post a corm of C. vernus. Although not literally in flower, it was above ground & had a well formed flower bud which developed normally. It now looks fine & appears to have divided. I was sceptical, but the person who sent it assured me it would be OK & he was right. So, I imagine it depends when & how carefully you do it.
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I dig up crocus seedlings in flower, being very careful and potting immediately, as it's the only way to select out the good ones. They don't seem to mind so long as you don't damage the roots and pot up and water within a minute or preferably within seconds, so the very fine roots don't dry out.
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Thanks all, I think I'll give it a try over the weekend (maybe I'll do this on 4 of 6 large-flowered ones, just for insurance) ;)
Tony, what has been your experience that Crocus shouldn't be moved in flower?
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Armin, I can imagined how it is sad to lost some part of collection! Mine are also out side without any wintercare. I had also lots of snow this winter. My raised bads were covered with 30cm snow. I was so sory that I have lost my colchicums (baytopiorum, chalconicum, and some more...) But now they are all perfect. I have only some demaged leaves of C. wattiorum. But me I lost crocuses in hot and rainy summer conditions. (like hadriaticus and from pallasii grps. ex.)
I believe that you will have lots of cormlets next year for increasing up your collection.
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As the Crocus season draws to its end in the Northern Hemisphere here in the Southern Hemisphere the autumnflowering species start to bloom
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Thanks all, I think I'll give it a try over the weekend (maybe I'll do this on 4 of 6 large-flowered ones, just for insurance) ;)
Tony, what has been your experience that Crocus shouldn't be moved in flower?
Sometimes the move will set them back a few years- if you break too many roots- but I have a feeling that the corms of your large flowered C.malyi will also be larger than the others.
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Thanks all, I think I'll give it a try over the weekend (maybe I'll do this on 4 of 6 large-flowered ones, just for insurance) ;)
Tony, what has been your experience that Crocus shouldn't be moved in flower?
Mark in my view it is the worst possible time to touch them. At flowering time most have used all the reserves in the old corm and are just starting to make the new one. Damage to the roots sets them right back and they either die or only produce a tiny corm which takes a couple of years to come back. When it was acceptable to collect I used to bring them back wrapped in wet tissue and had good success but as I said it sets them back. Separating them out in a pot is easy and not a problem,digging them up in the garden is a different issue.
Like all things there are exceptions and if you are successful then of course the person who says do not do it is going to be wrong.
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I completely agree with Tony. I even lost sometimes plants when tried to replant at blooming time. In any case it push back development for 2 years, so I prefair to mark pretty seedling with sticker. Sometimes at harvesting not easy decide which one corm is marked, but better then take out of stock 2 - 3 and final separation to make next season. Results will be far better.
Of course - when plants are collected in wild at blooming time there are no other choice. Sometimes results are good. All my white abantensis (2 different), wild x paulinae, white chrysanthus started from single plant collected just in blooming time, but usually alive around 50-70%. From 10 C. atroviolaceus collected last spring shoots formed 6 specimens. Hope blooming and first seed crop in 2014 or 2015.
Janis
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Armin, I can imagined how it is sad to lost some part of collection! Mine are also out side without any wintercare. I had also lots of snow this winter. My raised bads were covered with 30cm snow. I was so sory that I have lost my colchicums (baytopiorum, chalconicum, and some more...) But now they are all perfect. I have only some demaged leaves of C. wattiorum. But me I lost crocuses in hot and rainy summer conditions. (like hadriaticus and from pallasii grps. ex.)
I believe that you will have lots of cormlets next year for increasing up your collection.
Ibrahim,
I would have been happy if there were snowfalls. But this winter just 1 cm or so. Nothing that really protects the corms and bulbs from deep frost.
I've noticed already the previous season (was too dry in spring) a high number of small crocus leaves (=cormlets) in my meadow. This makes hope for a recovery.
But in the raised beds it is a nightmare. Shots were well developed, sitting just below ground level and finally have been burst by the hard frost. I have no hope for many cormlets.
I also pulled out today my retics (cvs. Harmony, S.J.Dijt, George) - shots 15 cm+ long with visible flowers buds - killed 100%...
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Crocus oliveri ssp. balansae in my meadow. This species survived this winter but many other not!
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Franz for me this is a flavus for me not balansae!
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Thanks everyone, tonight I marked the location of the 6 large flowered C. malyi (I think it is actually 3 corms each producing 2 stems, or perhaps pairs of corms very close together). With mid-summer heat (82 F today, 28 C), they're already almost all gone over.
So, I shall wait until later to dig them up. Not as familiar with what these things are doing underground as I rarely dig them up, what would be the best time to dig them and replant, mid-summer?
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Crocus 'Blue Pearl' blooming this weekend. I have them planted around a red-twig dogwood, a nice combination but difficult to capture in a photo, so I offer this pic of the blooms.
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Crocus oliveri ssp. balansae in my meadow. This species survived this winter but many other not!
I agree with Ibrahim - it is flavus! See the number of stigma branches.
Janis
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If it was bought from a supplier, who sources from Holland it usually is just C.flavus.
Flowering here now Crocus sieberi "Latvian Luck" and some forms of Bulgarian C.tomasinianus.
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Thanks for the correction. I do not really know whether it is C. flavus and C. oliveri ssp. balancae. The Crocus was collected in Chios
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This Crocus was also collected in Chios. What is that. Thank you for help.
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Sadly i don't have any crocus blooming in my garden yet, but there are some lovely ones where i have my workshop. Today i noticed that one of them have 2 extra petals..6 is the normal amount, right? Does anyone know what this is? The lady that owns them have gotten them from an old garden.
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This Crocus was also collected in Chios. What is that. Thank you for help.
Crocus olivieri. On second picture subsp. balansae. On the first not so clear to count branching of stigma.
Janis
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Sadly i don't have any crocus blooming in my garden yet, but there are some lovely ones where i have my workshop. Today i noticed that one of them have 2 extra petals..6 is the normal amount, right? Does anyone know what this is? The lady that owns them have gotten them from an old garden.
Normal number is 6 but sometimes are formesd extra parts but usually it is not inherrited and next year returns to normal number. Only very few varieties when good grown usually makes extra petals, anthers.
Janis
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Thank you Janis :)
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Janis thank you for your help. I'm sorry that you had so much snow during your visit to Greece.
I have difficulty identifying my crocuses of Chios. I have no more original plant. It flowers over a hundred seedlings and each seedling looks different.
I think perhaps some crocuses are hybrids because other species blooming besides.
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As I finished with my travel diary, I have some time for other crocuses. Today is not the happiest. I started to register losses of winter. The first crocus rising trouble was C. goulimyi which leaves started to yellow too early. As stock is large I dug out one corm - mother bulb looked suspicious for frost damage but as leaves were staying for long, they built up quite good replacement bulb. Today took out some C. laevigatus - the best stock from Metohi. Corms were killed but there were good seed pods between leaves and those I harvested for drying. Seems that they will be quite good. Not so good with spring bloomers. Very suspicious look some of C. sieberi, adanensis, minimus, flavus sarichinarensis. Very suspicious are aleppicus, boryi, caspius, serotinus, vitellinus and some others.
Amazing situation with C. atticus Bowles' White. I'm usually growing it in garden but for safety some allways are potted for greenhouse. Now it perfectly bloom in garden but pot plants all are gone - flower development stopped at soil level and corms are rotten - no disease, just frost.
It is the third most worth season in my 50 years of Crocus growing. At present seems that I will loose around 100-200 stocks (from 1300) of crocuses, but situation can be more horrible, as development only started. Strange year - more susceptible aroids not suffered at all.
In this entry some from biflorus and chrysanthus group.
Janis
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Some more for today
Crocus candidus and its form Orangino
C. flavus sarichinarensis - this is last picture of them - development stopped and almost 100% will be lost.
Crocus olivieri balansae 'Chocolate Soldier' and
C. vitellinus from Syria collected by Arnis around 10 years ago.
Janis
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One of Crocus x paulinae variants.
Crocus danfordiae variability (some pot with C. minutus between them, too).
Janis
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Here season starts much later, so my entries start when those from others end. Here some pictures from yesterday.
Janis
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Some more.
Janis
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Janis, Really sorry to hear of your stock losses. It's hard for me to imagine such impacts from frost, living as I do in a mild, frost free winter zone.
I was interested in your Chocolate Soldier, the photos I've seen previously had Chestnut outers not inners. Here's one posted by Fermi for Marcus Harvey. http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3947.30
Anita
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I was interested in your Chocolate Soldier, the photos I've seen previously had Chestnut outers not inners. Here's one posted by Fermi for Marcus Harvey. http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3947.30
Anita
:D :D :D Good joke! Succeed! The "mystery" reason is very simple. I too late opened windows that morning and so temperature in greenhouse due sunny day rised up to +30 C and flowers opened very flat and even petals turned down. When temperature dropped and flowers started to close, they accidentally misplaced. The first turned up outer whorl segments and so they became "inner" and those from inner whorl started turning up later and enclosed outer ones. Such is process how so unusual flowers arised. :D :D :D
Janis
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Here returned winter. Outside is snow and frost. Offered even minus 5 in day and minus 10m in nights, so I can return on forum with few pictures from yesterday.
Now Crocus antalyensis variability.
At first commercial form, grown in Holland and got be me from Willem van Eeden.
Then follow gatherings from Turkey. Sample TULA is from very NW of area, note white stigmas.
After that subsp. striatus - feature - striped petals inside (picture made in friend's garden, mine didn't bloom this year), but last two were collected quite far from striatus "locus classicus" - they are striped inside, too but in different pattern.
Janis
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Few other late blooming
Crocus heuffelianus Snow Princess (from Dirck)
2 heuffelianus seedlings from my Estonian friend Taavi Tuulik
Crocus scepusiensis form got from Galanthus Man - Colin Mason
I'm not great lover of "tommies"- but that and some others from another galanthofile John Grimshaw are fantastic.
And as last - one of first cvijicii pots.
Janis
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many nice flowers, Janis
Here my last Crocus for this spring,
Crocus minimus 'Little Girl', the flower is only three centimetre high :D
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8) 8) 8) to see the nice C. heuffelianus & scepusiensis forms, Janis.
Dirk,
the C. minimus are lovely and well grown. Did you protect them?
After the strong bare frosts all my C. minimus are in heaven now...
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Some fantastic crocuses there. 8)
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8) 8) 8) to see the nice C. heuffelianus & scepusiensis forms, Janis.
Dirk,
the C. minimus are lovely and well grown. Did you protect them?
After the strong bare frosts all my C. minimus are in heaven now...
Armin, not protect on open beds. We had 5 cm snow in the very cold period.
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Regardless of protection, losses are quite important here. Today took out of regular beds 39 pots to keep them dry (not watering) hoping that may be some small offsets will be formed on top of old corm. Some minimus stocks are between them, Seriously suffered laevigatus (two stocks completely lost), caspius, boryi, aleppicus and several others. Mostly autumn blooming species but several spring ones, too.
Now started blooming cvijicii and first flower of pelitericus came out.
Janis
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Crocus albiflorus variability from Jura mnt in Chelvetia and from Croatia
And few pictures of Crocus atticus raised by me and named 'Michael Hoog's Memory'.
And as last in this entry Crocus malyi (pictured in garden)
Janis
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Crocus olivieri balansae from Spilos (grown in greenhouse) and variability of Crocus versicolor (all pictures from garden).
Janis
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Always beautiful crocus Janis. The Crocus versicolor, grown outside are most beautiful especially 17 & 27.
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a few easy autumn Crocus flowering and thriving in my garden at the moment .
The C. speciosus 'Crimean Giant ' is the largest flower of all the species I grow , raised from seed collected in the Crimea in the 1970,s
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and 3 photos of C. caspius -all derived from C.caspius P.F. 5035 , seed that Paul Furse sent me in the 1960,s . It varies from white to lilac-pink . noticed a fasciated stem yesterday with 2 flowers on it . I wished some of the rarer species would be as easy to cultivate as caspius .
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Wonderful to see such a nice clump of C. caspius. It may be easy to grow but is extremely difficult - actually, impossible - to obtain from commercial sources. I lost my own plants (the pink form) some years ago but was lucky enough to be given some replacements recently.
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I wish that caspius would be more hardy. Pity, but most of my caspius are gone after this winter... Otto, may be you will have some spare seeds after winter? Even several speciosus, especially xantholaimos. archibaldii and some othre Turkish seriously suffered or even died this winter with me. :'( :'( :'(
Janis
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Still some crocuses bloome in greenhose
Crocus carpetanus blue form
Crocus cvijicii - white seedling
Vrocus minimus Bavella from Archibald, not very typical due orange style, traditionally Bavella has white style
Crocus pelistericus - 2 pictures
Light C. reticulatus from Russia (Pjatigorsk) pictured few days ago
and Crocfus suaveolens from Thomas
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Have (already!) started harvesting seed from my cross of sieberi 'Stunner' X cvijicii. Don't think I've ever had seed ripen so early on a spring-flowering crocus before. Seed pods started to appear within about a month of doing the cross and were already fully up a good cm above the compost level in late March. I expected them to take a while to ripen but today the first two pods started to split open to reveal ripe pink seeds ready for sowing.