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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: art600 on February 20, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
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I gave a talk on Saturday to the British Iris species Group on Iridaceae.
I showed some photos of what I called Iris barnumae taken in Iran. Brian Mathew corrected me and said they should be called Iris polakii. He has since sent me the basis for the name - this follows.
A search on Google revealed nothing, so I thought this was probably the best place to post the info for widest information.
The photos I showed are below.
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edit by maggi to add Brian Mathew's text:
What is Iris polakii?
Iris polakii was described as a new species in 1885 by the Austrian botanist Otto Stapf who was later employed at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew and became Keeper of the Herbarium. The species was based on a collection made in Iran three years earlier by Thomas Pichler on an expedition to the Hamadan area and Mt Elwend, the leader of which was Dr Jacob Polak. The type specimen was deposited in the Vienna herbarium but unfortunately appears to have been destroyed during World War II. Probably no living material was introduced at the time and no illustrations were made so I. polakii was known only from its written description and Stapf’s memory of the plant. Three years later the Kew botanist J.G.Baker, together with Sir Michael Foster, described another similar but distinct species from Turkey, I. barnumae.
In 1975 Mathew & Wendelbo published their account of Iridaceae for Flora Iranica in which they stated “In the absence of a type specimen it is impossible to identify this plant [i.e. I. polakii Stapf].” However, I have recently reviewed the matter and found that there is in fact a rather straightforward way of identifying it, unfortunately overlooked by us at the time Flora Iranica was being prepared.
In 1927 a collection of living rhizomes of a purple-flowered Oncocyclus Iris was made by the British Consul in Tabriz, Mr B. Gilliat-Smith, and some were sent to England. By this time Otto Stapf had become Keeper of the Herbarium at Kew, Editor of Curtis’s Botanical Magazine and was in contact with Gilliat-Smith. In May 1928 the plants flowered and were illustrated for the Botanical Magazine by that great botanical illustrator Lilian Snelling. Stapf provided the text for the illustration, published as plate number 9279, and remarked that the plant was “no doubt identical with I. polakii, as originally described by me”. A dried specimen of the individual plant that was illustrated was deposited in the Kew Herbarium. Gilliat-Smith also sent to Kew herbarium specimens directly from the wild, from “Hills south of Tabriz” (no. 2489) and “Kushji Gadugi Pass” (collected 21 May 1928).
Unfortunately, for it has caused some confusion, Stapf published the Botanical Magazine illustration under the name I. polakii var. protonyma Stapf, as if this plant differed in some way from his original polakii. However, there is a simple explanation: Stapf was aware of both the purple-flowered, yellow-bearded I. barnumae from south-eastern Turkey and of the yellow-flowered I. urmiensis, described by Hoog in 1900. He considered them very closely related and proposed that they were probably just colour forms of one species and suggested the names I. polakii forma urmiensis and I. polakii forma barnumae. In order to distinguish his original polakii from these Stapf added to it the epithet protonyma (‘first-named’); this was in keeping with the practice at the time and epithets such as ‘typica’ and ‘normale’ were commonly used for the normal or original variant of a species, although I haven’t encountered ‘protonyma’ used elsewhere. In a similar situation today, using modern nomenclatural procedure, we would use the autonym rule and refer to the original form as I. polakii forma polakii.
So, Plate 9279 of Curtis’s Botanical Magazine is a valuable contribution: it is a representation of the ‘real’ I. polakii, confirmed by Stapf, the original author of the species, and the specimen from which it was painted resides in the Kew Herbarium. In the absence of Thomas Pichler’s type specimen this can be regarded as a Neotype of the species. The intense purple colouration of I. polakii has not reproduced well but the characteristic broad standards and short, dense blackish-violet beard are clearly displayed. The other illustration shows a plant of I. polakii photographed by Paul Furse in the 1960s; interestingly, he actually referred to this as I. polakii var. protonyma in his writings.
B. M.
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They are really stunning Art. :o :o :o.
When were these pictures taken please? Is this species in cutivation? I am not such a specialist but I've never seen such a pink before in Oncos, or perhaps any Iris sp.!
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Ron
They were taken during my trip to Iran in 2005. We were very lucky as we had stopped to photograph an 'orange' form of Anemone biflora on the outskirts of a village - the Iris were a bonus :)
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A real bonus indeed Art. ;D Congratulations for such luck! :o What has happened to this species over the last 6-7 years? It is still listed as a synonym by the Plant List, as you know. Is it now recognised as a species?
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Understood now Maggi. Thanks.
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Arthur - superb pictures, it is similar to Iris barnumae f. protonyma from Iran, do you know which differences exist?
Checking Kew Checklist I was surprised to see Iris polakii is a synonym of Iris sanguinea var. sanguinea (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=322241) - thinking always to be "species" near to Iris barnumae... ???
Hans, It is also listed twice as synonym of I. barnumae. :) Directly underneath the listing you mention. So you were correct.. in a way ???
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Seed of this plant was distributed by Jim & Jenny Archibald and it appeared in their seed list as
JJA584.750 : IRIS BARNUMAE f. PROTONYMA (Sect. Oncocyclus) Iran, West Azerbayejan, N of Khoi, Khamsian pass. 1585m. Residual steppe between cultivated areas. (Possibly the first time material of this sumptuous, dwarf steppe-plant has been available since the 1960's. Beautifully proportioned flowers in pure, penetrating, rich red-violet. The standards are slightly paler than the falls with their glossy, black-violet signal-patches below distinctive beards of dense, short, black hairs, like patches of moleskin. The black-bearded race is endemic to NW Iran and this colony has the finest forms we have seen.)
I was lucky enough to buy a small plant from Jenny Archibald after Jim's death and on the back of the label Jim has written "= I polakii"
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Diane
Lucky you :)
I understood from Brian that barnumae has yellow hairs on the falls
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Here picture of typical barnumae from near Van in E Turkey.
And another one which I grow as collected it under name "moleskin Iris" from Iran - of course not barnumae protonyma to which some "moleskin" was attached in Iris book. But what it is? May be someone know this?
Janis
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Janis
It is quite clear that your plant is barnumae, and the plants I photographed in Iran are different.
I believe the discussion on 'moleskin' is still continuing - the black patch on the falls suggests Iris polakii is involved.
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Seed of this plant was distributed by Jim & Jenny Archibald and it appeared in their seed list as
JJA584.750 : IRIS BARNUMAE f. PROTONYMA (Sect. Oncocyclus) Iran, West Azerbayejan, N of Khoi, Khamsian pass. 1585m. Residual steppe between cultivated areas. (Possibly the first time material of this sumptuous, dwarf steppe-plant has been available since the 1960's. Beautifully proportioned flowers in pure, penetrating, rich red-violet. The standards are slightly paler than the falls with their glossy, black-violet signal-patches below distinctive beards of dense, short, black hairs, like patches of moleskin. The black-bearded race is endemic to NW Iran and this colony has the finest forms we have seen.)
I was lucky enough to buy a small plant from Jenny Archibald after Jim's death and on the back of the label Jim has written "= I polakii"
Diane , I too was lucky to raise one plant of I. barnumae f. protonyma = polakii , seed kindly sent to me by Jenny after Jim's death . Hopefully it may flower next year -fingers crossed .
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Janis
It is quite clear that your plant is barnumae, and the plants I photographed in Iran are different.
I believe the discussion on 'moleskin' is still continuing - the black patch on the falls suggests Iris polakii is involved.
"Moleskin"- hybrid??? - I saw it in wild, quite uniform, and where is parents? Nothing seen in proximity.
Janis
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I tend to agree with you Janis. I have not seen them in nature but the pictures of the 'moleskin' Iris show very uniform plants (only colour seems to vary), I always wondered when I saw them also mentioned as 'Meda'hybrids. I had received 2 plants from Jenny Archibald, hope they will flower this year for the first time - I think they were labled Iris aff. barnumae - Moleskin.
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I tend to agree with you Janis. I have not seen them in nature but the pictures of the 'moleskin' Iris show very uniform plants (only colour seems to vary), I always wondered when I saw them also mentioned as 'Meda'hybrids. I had received 2 plants from Jenny Archibald, hope they will flower this year for the first time - I think they were labled Iris aff. barnumae - Moleskin.
On my pictures you can see that "moleskin" is so different, that seem that only common thing to both is the genus "Iris" ;D
Janis
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Surely from the notes by B Mathew I polakii Staff includes barnumae? As I barnumae and urmiensis are no longer regarded as the same species as I polakii, (Iris polakii can't have a yellow beard?), and if a plant resembling Irises barnumae has a yellow beard it can not polakii?
The yellow 'V' on the falls of Iris barnumae is very distinctive in the forms I grow.
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The missing illustrations from Brian Mathew's notes have now been added to the first post in this thread.
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Thanks Maggi
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and thankyou Arthur, your talk was quite wonderfull, and I Barnumae and polakii were not the only treasures to be seen. :D
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I think it is I. barnumae and I. polakii is theplant Janis mentioned as 'Moleskin' here are some pictures from J. Mayr http://www.dionysia.de/bilderoncoiris.htm
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Wonderful to peruse the pictures through the link you provided Rafa. :o :o :) ;)
For me though it has added to the confusion. Sorry! :(
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I think it is I. barnumae and I. polakii is theplant Janis mentioned as 'Moleskin' here are some pictures from J. Mayr http://www.dionysia.de/bilderoncoiris.htm
The pictures I showed as Iris barnumae were identified by Brian Mathew as Iris polakii - the text and pictures provided by him confirm this.
Janis then showed an iris correctly identified as Iris barnumae.
At some stage the Iris known as 'Moleskin' was called Iris polakii - this is incorrect.
Looking at the superb collection of J Mayr a considerable number of plants appear to be incorrectly identified.
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Looking at the superb collection of J Mayr a considerable number of plants appear to be incorrectly identified.
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I thought so too Art.
Still great plants though, ;)
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This puzzle me, because the picture you show is cleary and without doubt Iris barnumae, at least, to me... I think Moleskin is most probable plant called I. polakii as it is very variable suggesting that it still in the speciation process, looking for its definitive form. It would be interesting to make a hand made cross between I. meda and I barnumae to see if the result is somthing similar to Moleskin.
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So, what is Moleskin? and Do we have to use I. polakii instead of I. barnumae?
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So, what is Moleskin? and Do we have to use I. polakii in the places of I. barnumae?
Rafa
The purpose in starting this thread was to eliminate the confusion surrounding both Iris barnumae and Iris polakii. I had Googled Iris polakii and got no items at all.
When I showed my photographs of what I thought was Iris barnumae to the British Iris Species Group, Brian Mathew and tony Hall were in the audience. Brian immediately told me that what I was showing was Iris polakii. He said Iris barnumae would have yellow hairs whereas Iris polakii had the balck 'moleskin' on its falls.
He then kindly sent me the article he had written and noted in the BIS Year Book - he added perhaps it would have got more publicity if he had published in the Plantsman or the AGS Bulletin. I said I thought it could be achieved using the Forum.
I said that I had heard the 'Moleskin' iris referred to as Iris polakii - he said this was wrong. The 'Moleskin' iris does share the same patch of 'moleskin' with polakii, but it is not polakii.
Rafa - in answer to your 2 questions:-
1. 'Moleskin' is still under study
2. Yes you must now call the plants that look like my photographs, not having a yellow patch on the falls, Iris polakii (previously known as barnumae)
The plants in David Millward's article of August 2004 are not Iris barnumae but Iris polakii.
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OK Arthur, thank you I will change labels when they bloom.
The thing that confused me is that Mathew in his book menthioned that it seems that I. polakii could be a hybrid between I. meda and I. barnumae, and seeing 'Moleskin" and its variability we can perfectly imagine this is the origin, but I am not really sure, because there is a yellow/brownish pigments in I meda that I can see in I. ' Moleskin'
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Rafa
I can easily understand the confusion.
Janis thinks that 'Moleskin' is not a hybrid and is a species in its own right - what we have seen in the wild are colour forms of Moleskin. just like the many colour forms of Iris meda.
I await futher information from the botanists.
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Would this plant count as I barnumae with it's yellow beard?
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That is Iris barnumae :)
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Thanks Arthur; I shall try to pursuade one of my 'barnumaes' to flower without the yellow :P I would really like to grow a multi coloured form of polakii as well though!
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Rafa
I can easily understand the confusion.
Janis thinks that 'Moleskin' is not a hybrid and is a species in its own right - what we have seen in the wild are colour forms of Moleskin. just like the many colour forms of Iris meda.
I await futher information from the botanists.
I think the same. So named "moleskin" is new species, different from meda and, although very variable, really not so variable as meda.
Janis
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As Diane mentioned, seeds of "JJA584.750 : IRIS BARNUMAE f. PROTONYMA" look Iris polakii. I bought the seeds from JJA and sowed Nov. 2008. Now a seedling is blooming its first time here 8)
Seed of this plant was distributed by Jim & Jenny Archibald and it appeared in their seed list as
JJA584.750 : IRIS BARNUMAE f. PROTONYMA (Sect. Oncocyclus) Iran, West Azerbayejan, N of Khoi, Khamsian pass. 1585m. Residual steppe between cultivated areas. (Possibly the first time material of this sumptuous, dwarf steppe-plant has been available since the 1960's. Beautifully proportioned flowers in pure, penetrating, rich red-violet. The standards are slightly paler than the falls with their glossy, black-violet signal-patches below distinctive beards of dense, short, black hairs, like patches of moleskin. The black-bearded race is endemic to NW Iran and this colony has the finest forms we have seen.)
I was lucky enough to buy a small plant from Jenny Archibald after Jim's death and on the back of the label Jim has written "= I polakii"
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Perfect grown plant!
Congratulation Yamanaka!
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Yes - Congratulations Yamanaka!
Beautiful plant
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Hans and Pat, thank you :) My place fits for growing aril irises in pots. The only thing is we have a rainy season from end of spring to early summer here. I have to move the iris pots to dry corner during its dormant period.
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Please, do you agree, that this is Iris polakii?