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Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Kovacs Pal on January 03, 2012, 08:29:31 AM
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Hello,
I got the seeds of this plant as Zephyranthes aurea in 2007.
The Z. aurea is a synonym of Habranthus tubuspathus or my plant is misnamed?
Thank you in advance
Pál Kovács
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All the fancy names are worthless: H. tubispathus is the most frequently grown of all rainlilies. There are a dozen variants or so and some really striking.
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Hi Pál Kovács,
your plant certainly looks like Habranthus tubispathus, which as Alberto has pointed out turns up under a variety of names ::)
I've posted some pics of more rain-lilies here:http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8287.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8287.0)
cheers
fermi
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Thank you for the answers!
Pál
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new thread title ;)
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Hi Pál Kovács,
your plant certainly looks like Habranthus tubispathus, which as Alberto has pointed out turns up under a variety of names ::)
I've just had it flower from seed labelled Rhodophiala araucana! Foolishly I keep ordering it from the seedexes! Maybe one day it's trun out to be true!
cheers
fermi
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Hi Pál Kovács,
your plant certainly looks like Habranthus tubispathus, which as Alberto has pointed out turns up under a variety of names ::)
I've just had it flower from seed labelled Rhodophiala araucana! Foolishly I keep ordering it from the seedexes! Maybe one day it's trun out to be true!
cheers
fermi
As have I, labelled Rhodphiala cw BCM (from two sources) as I recall so presumably the same donor.
johnw
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Maggi, perhaps "Zephyranthes, Habranthus, Rhodophiala, etc., 2012" will make it to avoid one thread for each.
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a mixed thread for these "internamed" plants! ... as suggested by Ezeiza
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Quite appropriate topic name.
Jim
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I've posted pics of some of our "rain-lilies" here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8354.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8354.0)
cheers
fermi
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More rain in the last few days and the rain-lilies are popping up again :D
Here are the first flowers open on Rhodophiala bifida this morning,
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cheers
fermi
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very nice display Fermi... :)
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very nice display Fermi... :)
They were even more impressive the next day!
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More rain-lilies in bloom - Zephyranthes "Grandjax" in its second flowering this season,
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Zephyranthes "Ajax" in close-up
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Lycoris elsae [do these go here or is this thread strictly for American Amaryllidaceae?]
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi, under which name you got these Rhodophialas? Do you remember?
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Fermi, under which name you got these Rhodophialas? Do you remember?
Hi Alberto,
this clump of Rhodophiala bifida was brought form a commercial source more than 10 years ago; it seems to be self-sterile.
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cheers
fermi
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Was it Dirkus? Or Dash? They look very much like the one we call "granatiflora", possibly a different species than bifida.
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Was it Dirkus? Or Dash? They look very much like the one we call "granatiflora", possibly a different species than bifida.
How does one distinguish granatiflora from bifida?
Jim
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Fermi what a great colour - I have not seen these before.
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Was it Dirkus? Or Dash? They look very much like the one we call "granatiflora", possibly a different species than bifida.
No, it was a larger commercial operation - possibly Hancocks who are daffodil specialists but carry a variety of other bulbs - but it was a looooong time ago when I was still living in Melbourne and they never flowered there. In fact they took ages to build up to flowering size here, only starting to flower a few years ago when I split the clump.
I think they are self-sterile as I got seed the first year when I used pollen from a Sprekelia but none the last season when I "selfed" them. I now have some from Paul in Canberra but they yet turn out to be the same clone! In which case I'll have to wait till the ones I grew from seed from Santo to get to flowering size! ;D
Pat,
I'll try to remember to send you some when they are dormant.
cheers
fermi
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The color is intriguing as the Texan "Oxblood Lily" is a deep blood color and it is the most widespread form of bifida, certainly not the color of Fermi's.
Jim, "granatiflora" is larger, about twice as large in all its parts than normal bifida and the tepals are broader, more blunt tipped, not tapering as in bifida in all its forms. It still has to be seen if this is a tetraploid. Everything is so slow in South America as we must mostly check species by species which one is true and which is an hoax. For this you have to go to the locality and see it in the flesh.
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The color is intriguing as the Texan "Oxblood Lily" is a deep blood color and it is the most widespread form of bifida, certainly not the color of Fermi's.
Jim, "granatiflora" is larger, about twice as large in all its parts than normal bifida and the tepals are broader, more blunt tipped, not tapering as in bifida in all its forms. It still has to be seen if this is a tetraploid. Everything is so slow in South America as we must mostly check species by species which one is true and which is an hoax. For this you have to go to the locality and see it in the flesh.
Alberto, thanks! I have to large pots full of seedlings of "granatiflora" but they have not bloomed yet. I have both triploid bifida from Texas and the diploid bifida in pots, both of which usually bloom. Eventually I should be able to make a comparison here with granatiflora.
Jim
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Jim. you will be surpised at the extreme vigor of "granatiflora". Having large bulbs and foliage I imagine they would reach flowering size in a tub or large bucket, never in normal pots. This year they have flowered in a number of forms all of which I have marked for the BX.
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I have a few Zephyranthes species which I have grown from seed sown 2008/2009 as follows:-
Z drummondii; Z chlorosolum; Z macrosiphon and Z smallii
I treat them as summer growers and keep them dry over late autumn/winter under the bench in the greenhouse protected by a couple of layers of fleece. Yesterday I had some compost left from another re-potting job and decided to re-pot a few of them and found them still in fairly good leaf although they haven't had any water since late September. I can't say I have noticed this before, are they nearly evergreen?
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Jim. you will be surpised at the extreme vigor of "granatiflora". Having large bulbs and foliage I imagine they would reach flowering size in a tub or large bucket, never in normal pots. This year they have flowered in a number of forms all of which I have marked for the BX.
Thanks, Alberto. My bifida bloom in 2-gal. pots (ca. 22 cm X 22 cm). My granatiflora (the seeds came from you -- thanks for that as well!) have been in the same size pots, 2-gallon, so I will have to move them when they go dormant.
Jim
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Would like to share a pic, probably R. Granatiflora. The strange thing was that the bulbs, were not very big, they were elongated and not deep buried.
They look very similar to yours Fermi.
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Would like to share a pic, probably R. Granatiflora. The strange thing was that the bulbs, were not very big, they were elongated and not deep buried.
They look very similar to yours Fermi.
Hi Santo,
yours have a "cleaner" look to them whereas mine have a yellower base -so does Paul's and no seed set so his is probably the same clone! Does yours set seed?
We've had more rain and so more "rain-lilies" :D
What I got as Zephyranthes smallii but is probably Cooperia drummondii
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The ubiquitous Z. candida
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And the first flower on one that came from Hristo in Bulgaria as "ex Bangkok yellow" - looks like a pale version of "Ajax"
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cheers
fermi
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Interesting discussion on Rhodophiala. I have the same Red as Fermi posted, so you now have duplicates Fermi. Never more than 2 flowers per stem, unlike the others I grow. Also sterile, whereas the others set seed easily. I have red, and pink forms of what were received as bifida, having up to 8 flowers per stem. I also have granatiflora flowering this year for the first time, gut given the description above, I am doubting it. They have spidery flowers, more elongated than the others I have, although the 3 stems have some variability amongst the seedlings. Lovely dark red petals though. I haven't checked the photos yet to see how they came out. I doubt they'll have got the colour right unfortunately.
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I have a few Zephyranthes species which I have grown from seed sown 2008/2009 as follows:-
Z drummondii; Z chlorosolum; Z macrosiphon and Z smallii
I treat them as summer growers and keep them dry over late autumn/winter under the bench in the greenhouse protected by a couple of layers of fleece. Yesterday I had some compost left from another re-potting job and decided to re-pot a few of them and found them still in fairly good leaf although they haven't had any water since late September. I can't say I have noticed this before, are they nearly evergreen?
Any one put me right please?
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The Zephyranthes and Habranthus I have grown spend the winter in the greenhouse, getting water when it occurs to me. They look much healthier after a winter with some watering than after a winter without watering. Bloom comes in summer, when they get more sunshine and natural rainfall augmented by occasional watering. There does not appear to be any sort of trick to it.
My main problem with this group of amaryllids is that I tend to neglect them in favor of the bigger more spectacular things, and then they do not do as well in summer.
Jim
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Thanks for your help Jim.
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David, all four you mention have a warm season cycle and are naturally winter dormant.
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David, all four you mention have a warm season cycle and are naturally winter dormant.
Alberto, Yes, that is what I thought but mine did not loose their leaves ???
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Here's Zephyranthes"Ajax" in full flower
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Here's [probably] Zephyranthes macrosiphon
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
So 'Ajax' is sort of like a candida on steroids? I used to grow 'Grandajax' (I think that was the name) years ago, but lost it from memory. I don't even recall the flower now. The macrosiphon is a good strong colour, isn't it?
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Fermi,
So 'Ajax' is sort of like a candida on steroids? I used to grow 'Grandajax' (I think that was the name) years ago, but lost it from memory. I don't even recall the flower now. The macrosiphon is a good strong colour, isn't it?
Hi Paul,
this is some of the Z. "Grandjax" that we grow.
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It's a cross between Z. grandiflora and "Ajax" {which is a cross between Z. candida and [?] Z. citrina}- and is a pale yellow/primrose colour.
You can pick some up on your next visit ;D
cheers
fermi
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I'm somewhat behind the actual blooms, trying to catch up. A couple weeks ago, I had Sprekelia howardii and Sprekelia formosissima 'High Priest' in bloom at the same time. The howardii is less than 5 inches across while the 'High Priest' is 6 inches or more across the face. Since both were in bloom, I tried cross-pollinating them, and I may have gotten a pod or two on the 'High Priest'.
Jim
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At last, a deadly heat summer has gone now, an autumn flowering Habranthus gracilifolius is blooming and a lynx spider is waiting for a quick bite of fresh :)
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Hi all, I did not came here for a long ago 8)
Your flowers are lovely :D
I've some blooming now too:
Zephyranthes x flaggii
and this Habranthus that I'm not sure if it is robustus or other species...
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Hello Cris, we missed you- glad to have you back!
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Hello Maggy, it's always a pleasure to talk with you, you're so kind :-*
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Very desirable Habrantus species Cris and YT ! ;)
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fleurbleue, merci beaucoup :D We could swap, what bulbs do you have? Send me a pm, ŕ bientôt ;)
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A potful of Rhodophiala bifida today.
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Oron that is a stunning photo - need to think about seeds of these now.
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Oron that is a stunning photo - need to think about seeds of these now.
Thanks Pat,
I'm afraid the form in cultivation is a triploid and is sterile therefore no seeds
but bulbs divide easily to form big clumps in just few years time.
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I will have to see if any of the Australian forum members grow it. Thanks Oron.
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mine have flowered weeks ago, the triploid form, the var. spathacea (pink) and the var. granatiflora (dark red). These two varieties are fertile and are setting seeds
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Pat,
I grow a few different Rhodophiala, but have yet to flower a dark one like that.
Thanks for the great pics folks. So strange to see them in spring!! ;D
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Angelo Porcelli, marvellous flowers, congratulations!!!
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Zephyranthes atamasco blooming out of season in the greenhouse today.
Jim
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Hi all ,
I can now offer fresh collectet seeds from my Zephyranthes/Habranthus collections for swap
I'm interestet for trade with other Zephyranthes ( which I not have ) ,other Amaryllids or Pleiones
Please send me a PM
Zephyranthes/ Habranthus
“Big Dude”
andersoni
chlorosolen
longistyla
martinezii
primulina
robustus “Russell Manning”
spec. Cordoba / Argentinia
spec. Mexico flower white
spec. Mexico Isla
spec. R.S./ Argentina
minima
further I have seeds from plants which I have receive as Pyrolirion aureum ...I'm not 100% shure ....but my motherplants came from a good source
Also I have still seeds of
Galtonia viridiflora
Paeonia lithophila
Streptopus amplexifolius
Iris domestica "Hello Yellow"
Haemanthus coccineus
Best wishes
Hans
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I've got this plant as Zephyranthes grandiflora. Obviously it is not.
Does anyone has an idea, what it could be?
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it's Cyrtanthus sanguineus to me
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thanks a lot! One just has to look for the right genus. ;D
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Profitable mistake Susan :)
very nice plant
I hope mine flowers next year
so I can see if it is the true one
Roland