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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Maggi Young on December 01, 2006, 11:30:33 PM
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OOPS! just realised 1st December is nearly over in the UK and there is no December page !
Here we go, then!
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It is getting much colder here now. It has felt as though the snow might not be far away.
The Fieldfares and redwings are flocking to the trees with berries but have not been into our garden yet.
I spent a lot of time today just watching them... lovely birds. No photos of them though!
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Maggi,
Nice to see into your garden, rather than just individual flowers etc. Definitely looking a bit different to how ours are here in Aus. ;)
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Only a few flowers in the garden now. The last hangers on from summer and autumn like the campanula and crocus pictured below and the first of the true winter flowers, Cyclamen coum all overlap. The winter narcissus begin to flower both under glass and in the garden. Oxalis versicolor babies often 'escape' into the garden after repotting. It is not supposed to be very hardy but it survives.
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Hi to all,
Just try to post my first picture,not too sure if it works,we find out soon.
This Salvia flowered from October true to November,just finished now.
Salvia Dombey,she is a beauty.[
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last month I showed you an embroidered Hellebore. It arrived today and is far better than I expected. The girl is willing to take orders
Geebo is that, stunning, Salvia hardy?
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Hi Geebo, nice picture and a nice plant. Welcome to the Forum.
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Hi Mark :),
According to the book,it is on the tender side,but here in Ireland there are a lot of plants we get away with,but to be sure i have taking no chances and taking cuttings,got the plant last summer from Anns Grove Nursery,it grows fairly tall and leggy not what you would call a good looking plant,perhaps I shal grow it near a shrub to scramble true,but the flowers are stunning and long lasting,pitty we have no hummingbirds here.
Have taking cuttings for next year and the plant put in the conservatory for winterprotection. :D
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I didnt notice earlier you were from the South. The AGS Ulster group are heading to Co. Cork thus summer for a few days. I think we are going to Annes Grove
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The leaves are now finally down though not cleared following some stormy weather,and one of the first harbingers of Winter is well into it's full glory.I refer of course to Mahonia 'Charity',surely one of the finest mahonias.
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Even here in Vienna (Austria) we have no frost and snow. Some plants begin to flower.
Ranunculus calandrinioides
Colchicum doerfleri
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Narcissus 'Cedric Morris' in bloom in the garden.
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Even an old ivy-clad ash tree can look well against the setting sun; a bit like myself, really!
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lovely pix, Paddy. So many folk find this time of year rather barren and dull.. you show how wrong they are!
Especially with things like your N. Cedric Morris and Franz' Ranunculus etc looking so well.
Franz, that Ranunculus calandrinioides is a beauty at any time of year when it looks like that!
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Ranunculus calandrinioides is really a beauty at any time of year, but after a frost without a snow it is a poor dry plant. But it recovers very fast in the spring.
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Thank you for compliments, Maggi. You now see my method of photography - take lots and lots. We have had the most awful weather for the past week or so, very high winds and torrential rains leading to flooding. I live opposite a river and on such occassions it spreads the 100 - 150 metres from its normal banks right up to my gate, sometimes as high as 1 metre at the gate, but it doesn't last long as the river is tidal.
Ranunculus calandriniodes is simply beautiful - many thanks Franz. It hasn't flowered as yet this season here and is one that I always await with great anticipation.
Paddy
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Isn't this a beauty? Handmade by NN. The crossing is Iris reticulata 'Cantab' x winogradowii
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Gerben,
A very nice plant. The blue is an especially good shade. Did any other bulbs flower from this crossing? I imagine you might get some plants with a little more blue which would then make a good background to show the yellow to better effect.
Very promising. Many thanks for the photograph.
Please advise: who is NN?
Paddy
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that plant could be a real winner if it is hardy and gets mass produced
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This hardy selected reticulata Iris is a real winner and will be on the market, fingers crossed, in a few years. These two bulbs are the only ones we have. Well Paddy I can only call this person Nomen Nescio, the well known unknown.
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It certainly is a beauty Gerben and exactly what I love, reticulate irises being among my most favourite things. I'll try the same cross next spring when both are in bloom. My `Cantab' sets a little seed most years and winogradowii does, if hand pollinated. Thanks for showing the hybrid.
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Ah Gerben,
He whom we might refer to as 'A.N. Other'
Mother Nature does it again.
Paddy
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Beautiful Iris Gerben - a very nice "blue".
Thanks for showing
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We've had freezing fog for 2 days, but it does have its advantages:
Daphne x houtteana.
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excellent photos Anne. I'm happy we missed out on the cold snap that came with the fog. There must have been lovely clear skies above it all
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nice pictures Anne - are there any frosted ferns to show us too?
Nothing worth photographing in my garden at the moment- hopefully soon there will be.
John
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Hard frost last night, but the fog has lifted so had to nip out early to get these shots before the sun spoiled them. Top is Epimedium x versicolor 'Sulphureum, Asplenium scolopendrium Marginatum Gp, and Polypodium australe Omnilacerum Gp 'Rickard'.
Next is Adiantum venustum, then Polystichum setiferum Divisilobum Gp.
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Other 2 are Polystichum polyblepharum, and Polystichum setiferum 'Plumosum multilobum'.
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I also like your reticulate iris Gerben, if it increases by bulbils like winogradowii it will be a real winner.
Anne, I just love your garden and how the fog and frost add to its beauty.
I would love to have more room than we have so I could plant up a big area with grasses and taller bulbs etc.
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thanks Anne
very nice indeed - I can't wait for the daylight now so that I can pop outside and have a look at my garden. Very inspiring photographs - thank you.
with my best wishes
John
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Dear all
From Portugal I can report that in Lisbon the iris is flowering in the public places (only 1 out of 10). I do not know if it is a pre-bloom or a re-bloom. :)
I do not have any picture :( , but I will try to describe it. It is 50 cm high and dark pourpor almost black and the type are the "bearded" irises.
Also flowering now are the cymbidium orchids in the pots but the last two weeks of cold have stopped new flowers from open and the alredy open ones have got some stains but it is lovly. The camelias are also starting to flower.
Hope it was Ok to report on non alpines but that is what I think of on flowering now.
Merry Christmas
Joakim
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We had a heavy frost yesterday so here are my frosty pics
Geranium 'Rozanne', Some frosted Geranium leaves and a poppy that has appeared in the garden. Can anyone ID it. It nearly always has water on its hairy leaves
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Following the frost we had a brilliant day until about 2.30 when a thick fog appeared. Apparently it's caused when the air temperature is lower than ground temperature. The fog helped me get a shot of baubels hanging on my Jacquemontii Birch.
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Don't know what it is but it looks wonderful wet! :o
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balls of ice, Anne.
The strange thing is the only other poppy in the garden is the small yellowed flowered one whose name evades me just now
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Dear all
I will try to post my first picture so hopfully it will work.
My mother-in-law has this cyclamen persicum almost blooming now.
The funny thing is that it is dark pink but the new buds are white and the older ones get a pink tip that later colours the rest of the flower. Is that the comon thing not to have the colour in the beginning? The plant is grown outside in Portugal but we have had down to 0C and maybe below, so that might be good news for anyone that likes to test in slightly colder climate.
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Kind regards
Joakim
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I managed :)
It is simple as soon as one sees the additional options and there attach :)
Now there is a risk of more pics from me.
Joakim
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Two Cyclamen coum in flower in the garden today.
Paddy
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Joakim, the immature buds on my plants of Cyclamen purpurascens are also white, turning darker as they mature, so it does definitely occur on other species besides persicum. In contrast, immature buds on my C. alpinum are already showing a deep pink colour.
Your coum are a little ahead of mine, Paddy. I have a few flowers but it will be a fortnight at least before things really get going here.
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Tim,
For some reason this particular bed of cyclamen coum is ahead of others in the garden. Cyclamen coum pewter group plants are just in bud at the moment but none is open yet. These cyclamen in the photographs are relatively new plants, purchased only two years ago and the variety of tones was interesting, I thought.
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Tim and Paddy it seems as if Coum also has cpolour from the begining judgeing from Paddys pics. Let me know if I have interpreted the pics right. Thanks for the input Tim. :)
Joakim
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Joakim, yes, coum does have coloured immature buds. Interestingly, I have observed the opposite effect on some plants of Cyclamen coum.
In bud, the unopened flowers can be incredibly dark, only to lighten when the flower actually opens. So, initial excitement at the prospect of having something a little different nearly always leads to disappointment!
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Joakim,
Tim has described exactly my reaction to this bed of cyclamen coum. They started in bud in the most beautiful dark and desirable red/purple/wine/burgundy but as they opened more and more they faded to lighter colours. Some opened in a darker colour and held it for some time. I have found these plants are in general darker than cyclamen coum I had grown in the garden up to this but these were all cyclamen coum pewter group plants and this may account for the differences.
Whichever, they are lovely plants and add colour at this otherwise rather bare time of year.
Paddy
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Paddy interesting to here about the colourings of the flower. Maybe You (or any one else) can elaborate about the pewter group. I must admit my ignorance regarding that. Is it a seed collection or a sub group or a cultivar?
May I make a question since we have come into cyclamen?
I noticed today that the seedlings that just have got the first leaf are mostly green but with the scond and third leaf they show much more pattern. Yet the parent seems to have even more patterns. Will the patterns evolve more with time or is just the first leaf special and the rest is the type of leaf the plant is goingto have "for ever"?
Below it is hopefully seen that the first leaf have different shape and patterns that the next pair and the new pair have less than the mother as seen in a post above.
Kind regards
Joakim
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I'm currently collecting seed from my Cyclamen coum Pewter Group. Let me know privately if anyone would like some. (Also send postal address.) They come true and my form is a lovely pink with a deeper, picotee edge. Seed is VERY fresh.
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Joakim, the 'Pewter Group' is a collective name given to a group of plants (Cyclamen coum) which should share similar features. Historically, it was produced by crossing two different examples of C. coum to produce plants which would then go on to become the Pewter Group. The pewter leaves often have a narrow green band which is sometimes faint or can be more strongly marked and the flowers are often darker than those of 'normal' coum. The problem with groups like this is that most of the plants carrying the name almost certainly don't derive from that original cross, so the variability within the group is immense and will only get worse (or better from the point of a collector of variable plants). Effectively, I could select out seedlings from my own random plants which loosely fit the description of the Pewter Group and label them as such. Of course, it would be much worse of these plants had a cultivar name... which 'Pewter Group isn't, thankfully. Seed from these plants should still be labelled as ex. Pewter Group though.
You are right about your cyclamen seedlings, Joakim. The cotyledon is usually plain. In some species, cyprium for example, it is always plain, even if the plant then goes on to produce the most fantastic silvery leaves. In contrast, some seedlings from silver leaved forms of hederifolium will have silver cotyledons, and I ALWAYS keep these until they are mature. The second and third leaves will start to look more like the mature leaves, and those following will give you even more of an idea of what the mature leaves will look like, but to be sure, it is worth keeping the plant until it has gone dormant. When the plant starts growth again, then you will see its true potential. I never sell cyclamen seedlings!
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Lesley thanks for the generous offer and Tim thanks for the info.
I learn a lot and I think more people did that too.
kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim,
As Tim pointed out the term 'pewter group' has become rather loosely applied to Cyclamen coum plants with a particular leaf colouring and pattern but, over time, the boundaries of what exactly fits into this group has become clouded and so it is with mine. They are very like the pewter group but, to be honest, I couldn't say for sure they are exactly as pewter group plants should be. They make a nice show when grouped together.
Joakim, I'm sure there will be many smaller plants of these, my 'pewter group' cyclamen coum in the garden, self-sown seedlings. If you would like me to post some on to you please let me know. Tim will might comment on how advisable it would be to move them now or if it would be better to wait. Tim?
Paddy
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Hello Paddy. If these seedlings are from this year and have only the cotyledon, the tubers will be quite delicate (it will still resemble a small, elongated pearl) and I think that these would be difficult to move. Posting within the UK would probably be OK as you could ship them with a decent amount of soil around the tubers for a relatively low cost and the time spent in the post would be minimal too, so most of the plants would survive.
Shipping abroad presents a few more problems as the young plants could spend a bit longer in the post and retaining soil around the tubers is a no-no as regional authorities generally bin anything that comes in with soil attached - if they find it!! You could ship the tubers in wet (but not wringing wet) kitchen paper - just add extra plants to account for losses.
If the plants are a little older (a year or more), it's much easier. They can be shipped at anytime of the year generally. I ship plants in full growth and the only downside to it is that the recipient has a plant, or plants which have leaves and flowers flailing around all over the place when they are planted out because they've been taken out of their pots. Even that can be sorted out if the plants are going to be potted up and one has the time to pin leaf stalks into place with one hand whilst setting in place with the other hand filled with grit.
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Tim,
Many thanks for your information, very comprehensive. Joakim is in Sweden but I don't mind trying to send them to him. If the plants fail he will be none the worse off. They are self-sown seedlings here into their second or third year.
Paddy
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Mine came originally as a handful of seedlings, very tiny, given to me by Joy Bishop in England in 1993. They were bare-rooted and taken to the other end of the world in the UK mid summer, with no ill effects, and acclimatized (turned around their seasons) nicely and fast. They were given simply as Cyclamen coum Pewter Group and have produced about a dozen generations of seedlings, every one true to the originals.
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Lesley plants can be amazing when they want to canīt they?
Nice to hear that they are seed proof.
Kind regards
Joakim
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A few things from a walk around the garden today - holidays are great; they give us the time to idle about and take life easy. The Anemone pavonina is a bit early in the season but the last few days have been mild here and it may have come on as a result. Arum italicum 'Marmoratum' seeds itself about freely and is a good foliage plant at this time of year. Narcissus romieuxii is growing outdoors and it looking well at the moment but is very prone to damage from bad weather. Libertian perigrinans is good for winter colour in the garden, a good bronze patch amid the general gloom.
Paddy
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Hi everyone, for those interested I have put some photos of my bulb meadow in winter. Since we have this winter no snow I see growing the leaves of my bulbs.
Crocus-goulimyi
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A few things from a walk around the garden today - holidays are great.
Holidays ?? Speak for yourself Paddy. :D
I was up at 4 o'clock this morning (and Wednesday and Thursday) to go to work, as I am sure other people were as well (prehaps not so early, anybody ?) :) :)
Andrew
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Me too Andrew. I only had Christmas day off.
Paddy how does you Anenome like outside? I have 4 pots of them that could go out.
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Ah Andrew,
My heart breaks for you with your 4a.m. rise. That would kill me. I closed for holidays on Friday 22nd and will return on Monday 7th January. It's a horribly easy job but someone's got to do it!
Mark, that anemone is outside for the last two winters and has done fine. The flower in the photograph is the only one on the plant at the moment but it performs better later on in the year.
Paddy
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I am with Paddy on this one!!
Enjoying the hollidays and planting orange and olive trees.
My son is an Oliveira so he need an Olive tree. He got one extra on his birthday. Then I think it is a funny Christmas tradition to plant orange tree so we did that to.
I stay up reading the forum to 2am does that count as work? Else I enjoy the hollidays.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Young Oliveira Balogh will have a fine orchard when he is grown, with many olive trees and oranges.. what better gift to give the lad? The scent of an orange grove in flower has to be one of the finest fragrances in the world and is one of my most favourite.
Now I'm off to bed early for a change.. all this cake has made me tired!
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My son is an Oliveira so he need an Olive tree.
Joakim, how about Crocus, Fritillaria and Gentiana olivieri ?
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Andrew
It might be a good excuse to get them if they are pretty, but since Oliveira is Portuguese and Oliviera is Spanish it will not be the same.
Oliv tree in Portuguese is oliveira and the name actually come from the plant.
But I will be on the look out for the others :)
Thanks for the tipp.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Andrew
It might be a good excuse to get them if they are pretty.
Joakim, if you do a search on the old forum you should find the Crocus and Fritillaria, not sure about the Gentiana - hold on I'll just check ... No, no Gentiana, that will have to be a Google job.
Since Oliveira is Portuguese and Oliviera is Spanish it will not be the same.
Thank you for pointing out the subtle difference :-[
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Actually, olive tree in Spanish is olivo, oliva is the fruit (for oil), aceituna is the fruit for eating. Olivar is an olive orchard.
Oliviera is either the Portuguese oliveira (olive tree) misspelled or something in Italian ...
Chloe
reserving the right to be bit pedantic about Spanish and Portuguese if others have snowdrops etc ;D ;D :o ;D
and whose children are not Oliveiras - but their cousins are all Oliveiras - a very common surname here, alongside Pereira (pear tree) and sundry other vegetable/animal surnames.
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Chloe thanks for straighten this out :)
Without being an expert I got the feeling that the name Oliviera exist in Spain.
The history behind names like Oliveira is quite nice. It has itīs roots in the Spanish Inquisition!!!
It might very well be a misspelling of Oliveira and many Portuguese Oliveira becomes Oliviera in USA since it is easier to say for Americans!?
Andrew I will have a look at the old forum to try to find the flowers :)
Learning more every day
Joakim