Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Hans J on August 18, 2007, 05:23:42 PM
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Hi all ,
Here are some pics from today -I'm really glad to share with you this pictures ::)
Haemanthus coccineus
Haemanthus coccineus close up
Haemanthus X clarkei - this is a old hybrid between H. albiflos x H. coccineus
Haemanthus X clarkei close up
Enjoy
Hans ;D
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Ohhhhhhhhh Hans,
what beautiful plants, wowwwwwwwww
:o
We must try to make this hybrid new!
I found no nursery that sells x clarkei!-(
Regards
Bernie
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Hi Bernie ,
I know you like this pics ;D ;D ;D
I have bought this Haem. X clarkei as Haem. 'King Albert' -but this is definitivly wrong, because 'König Albert' is a german cross from a Scadoxus - there exist a article about this crosses -if you are interest so I will send it to you as PDF .
Please write me private
Greetings
Hans
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Hello Hans,
what wonderful Haemanthus you have!! Love the pics of them!!
Thanks for sharing
Heinz
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Hi Heinz ,
Yes they are really pretty .
I give this plants after near a half year totaly dry in my greenhouse on 01. August some water ...and now after few days ....
In hope all my seedlings of Haemanthus and Scadoxus will grow fast......
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I have a potful of wee plants coming along Hans. Most now have two leaves.
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Gratulation Anthony !
Here are for all who interestet a pic of Haemanthus seeds :
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Hi Hans!
Wonderfull pictures!
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Hi all ,
Here is a pic from today from this seedlings of H. albiflos
This was a test of me -I have sowing only in pure Vermiculit - it works very nice
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What is that pink powder on the seeds, Hans? I remember when i was little and my father used to buy Zea seeds to plant, and they had exactly the same powder and colour!
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Michael ,
This powder is : Aatiram - the active is Thiram
I use it for the most of my seeds
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Ohh ok. And that powder is used as a fungicide?
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Yes Michael !
We call this in german "Trockenbeize" -but I dont know a translation .
It is very easy to use : take the seeds in a little platic cup . give a little of this powder - mix it well and take in a fine sieve - later you have all seeds covered with a thin layer of fungicid .....and the rest you can use for the next time .
A other good methode special for fleshy seeds of Amarillids ( like Haemanthus, Clivia,Scadoxus ) is to lay it in a 1 % solution of H2 O2 for a hour !
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Thanks for the explanation!
Oh by the way, the Scadoxus leaves are starting to fade, which means i will be able to send you a bulb soon ;)
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A fairly literal English translation of "Trockenbeize" from the German would be to "dry cauterise"... that is to say a method of protecting the seed from corrosion.... I suppose there must be a neater way of saying this in English, but I cannot think of it meantime! Help, anyone?
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Maggi - I have also looked in my dictinaries ....it is all not rigth .
With "Beize" we mean a treatment ( p.e. by cooking when we lay the flesh in a "Beize" of wine or vinagre ...) a other is to treat wood with "Beize" -after this treatment is it much safer for the wether ...
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Yes, with wood this is against rot... or corrosion of metal, for food we would say a marinade... the meaning is not quite correct with any of these with the seed treatment... perhaps we should call it a "seed treatemnt" !! ;D
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Hans
Great pictures - they are amazing flowers and the seeds too. There is something very particular about plants which flower without their leaves, whether these, crocus or others.
Thank you
Sue
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Hi
Hans, the pics of the seeds are amazing. I've now some seeds of Amarillys Belladona, and they are seemed, they are also so transparent that I can see the little root inside it.
My Haemanthus Coccineus (I think it's this one) already bloomed and I think it is growing there some seeds. Is is completly new to me. Can you tell me what is the normal size of the Haemanthus seeds?
Michael, I also have Scadoxus, it's the first year I have it, the gave me a magnificant flowers. I think it is S. Multiflorus var. Katherinae, but as always, I'm not sure. And yours, are the same or another variety?
I let you a pics os my Haemanthus and Scadoxus:
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Hi Chris.
mine is Scadoxus puniceus. It flowers on spring, without leaves. I never saw haemanthus, but from pictures, they look like a big agapanthus and are evergreen...
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Hi Michael and Chris ,
Not all Haeamanthus are evergreen - only albiflos, deformis ,pauculifolius, -the rest are summer - or wintergrowing .
A nice form of H. albiflos is H. albiflos f. pubescens - please look
I'm really glad that now we have here more members who are interestet for Haemanthus and Scadoxus !
Greetings
Hans
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Well , Hans, we can see clearly from yuor pix why this is "pubescens"... just look at all those little silver hairs on the back of the leaves :)
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Hi Hans!
Thanks for the information.
Well i like Haemanthus and Scadoxus, but they are very rare and very expensive to collect! But the flowers are amazing!
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Maggi ,
this plant has a interesting story :
A friend of has receive it - but we dont know what is is .....is was only one thin leaf .....after some years we could see that this is a Haemanthus ! - and my friend give me a offset .
After compere with my other H, albiflos I found that it is a big difference .....last year I had flowers for the first time and now I was shure it is a H. albiflos .
I had the chance to read last year the book of D.Snijman about Haemanthus ....and there is written about the form PUBESCENS ...now I was shure !
From a friend I have received in this year a plant of a H. albiflos ex Mgala River ( from a nursery ) -as I get this plant I was really surprised : they looks exactly my other plant ( this is the small pot on my pic )
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That is an interesting story, Hans.
Your first plant is growing really well now, isn't it?
It is good when sometimes a plant DOES have a name which we can see really means something!
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Hi Hans!
Thanks for the information.
Well i like Haemanthus and Scadoxus, but they are very rare and very expensive to collect! But the flowers are amazing!
Michael :
Haemanthus are not all so rare - you can buy from some seeds and grow them .....( and you are young )
With Scadoxus is it more difficould - you can get only puniceus, multiflorus ,mult. katerianae ....al other are rare ! if you have big luck so you can get nutans ,membranaceus, pole -evansii ....
I have try to get the rest ....I have written to many many peoples , nurseries and Bot. gardens but more or less no chance -some of this plants are never more collectet because there is always trouble in this areas , the Bot. gardens have it .....but they give no material to "normal" people - sorry !!!
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Ok Hans, you have convinced me. I think i am getting obcessed with them. I will see if i can find places who sell seed of them. MEanwhile, if you know a place who has seeds for sale, pelase tell me (seeds others than S. puniceus and H. albiflos).
And about the botanical gardens, why dont you try to "corrupt" them with other rare goodies? i have tried and it seems to work hehe!!!
;D
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Michael ,
You can ask several nurseries in South Africa for seeds :
African Bulbs , Silverhill .....
You can look on the RHS plantfinder
PC has in this time Scad. pole -evansii !
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Hi
Michael, my Haemanthus is not evergreen, the foliage you see is from a Hippeastrum. They were together in the same pot, but not anymore.
I thougt the Haem. was getting seeds, but not went away, they've aborted.
Now, as they has not foliage yet, I've changed them to another pot.
And it is almost impossible to get this kind of plants here. I found my two bulbs in a garden center, it was a discovery, they were forgoten, almost dead.
Try to contact Cameron McMaster from African Bulbs, I think they have some species of Haemanthus and Scadoxus.
Did your Haem. Puniceus gave seeds?
Hans, for me it is also very good to know that more people like these kind of plants. They are fabulous.
I think my Scadoxus is mult. Katherinae, what do you think?
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Hans, for me it is also very good to know that more people like these kind of plants. They are fabulous.
I think my Scadoxus is mult. Katherinae, what do you think?
Hi Cris ,
Sorry - I forget to answer for your question :
Yes -I think too that your plant is S. mult. v. katherinae - from this species I have two plants -but they have not flowered until today .
Not all Scadoxus are self -fertile -p.e. my Scad. multiflorus makes not any seeds .
But I know from a other Scadoxus it makes seeds succsessfull - friends has given me before some years a lot of seeds .
Same thing with Haemanthus : albiflos makes easy seeds - my coccineus has made 3 seeds - this Hybrid make not any ....
I agree with you -it is impossibly to get more or less this plants here in Germany -the most of my plants ( Haemanthus + Scadoxus ) are seedlings or swaps from friends .
A good source is also "Simply Indigenous" from South Africa !
Good luck with hunting
Hans
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Greetings!
Hans, i did not understood very well... Who has S. pole-evansii?
Cris,
my plants did not gave me any seed, because i cut off the wilted flowers to help spare energy, but i can try to pollinate them next season (January). I will post pictures here!
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I have tried these in the past and failed. Maybe I'll try again
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Hans can you tell me more about how you sow and grow on your seeds? Are they surface sown? Does the bulb grow on the surface
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Greetings!
Hans, i did not understood very well... Who has S. pole-evansii?
Michael : With PC I do mean Paul Christian
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Hans can you tell me more about how you sow and grow on your seeds? Are they surface sown? Does the bulb grow on the surface
Mark : Sowing of this Amaryllids seeds like Scadoxus ,Haemanthus and some other is not difficould ,
Make a bigger pot full with a mix of 50% organic + 50% mineralic material ,water it with cooking water , and after cool you can sowing .Treat the seeds like I have descriptet in a realier mail ( with H2O2 1 % ) - lay the seeds on the surface , look for the radicels , and lay a bit scoria gravel between the seeds ,some weeks later will start the radicel ,and from there start the first leaves -dont disturb the seedlings ! You must be really patient -from some Scadoxus ( p.e. membranaceus ) it's need more than a year before start the leaves !!! - take this pots on a shady and warm envirement -be carefully with watering !
If you have more questions please write me !
Good luck !
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Hi all ,
Here is now a pic of the 3 seeds from my Haem. coccineus
The color is like descriptet in the Haemanthus book of Snijman : dark wine red
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Hans,
My H. coccineus never produce that dark a berry. Mine are always bright red, never dark like that at all. I wonder if just different provenance originally? Interesting to see the pic of yours.
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Paul ,
I was too surprised about this color - so I have looked in my book and after reading ....
I will post later more if the seedlings growing
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To me these seeds look like chocolate-coated black cherries........ ;)
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Maggi ,
I will not test it ::)
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Very wise, Hans... they are very pretty to photograph, though!
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Today at the weekly flowershow in Lisse I saw this
Haemanthus:
H. pubescens arenicolus
(one pict. was made a week earlier!)
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Sorry I forgot to post my name
Luit van Delft
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Hi Luit ,
Thank you much for this pics -I have never seen before this species .
Is there a chance to get seeds ?
Hans
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Hans,
this was a plant flowering for the first time from a bought bulb.
I was told it was very expensive.
I presume it will not set seed in our country.
Luit
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Luit ,
It is clear that this plant is expensiv .
I believe there is not a problem with pollination ( if it is self fertil ) - I have pollinate my H. coccineus and I get seeds ....
Hans
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Hi Luit, I checked your bulb on the book "The Genus Haemanthus", but your bulb doesn't fit the exact description of this species. Leaves narrowly ligulate (100-)150-350 mm long, 15-35(-40) mm wide....abaxial surface speckled with red towards the base, rarely immaculate...margin red, smooth or fringed with long soft hairs.
Maybe you can take the measures of your plant.
Ciao
Alberto
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Hi Luit, I checked your bulb on the book "The Genus Haemanthus", but your bulb doesn't fit the exact description of this species. Leaves narrowly ligulate (100-)150-350 mm long, 15-35(-40) mm wide....abaxial surface speckled with red towards the base, rarely immaculate...margin red, smooth or fringed with long soft hairs.
Maybe you can take the measures of your plant.
Ciao
Alberto
Hello Alberto, the plant was sent into the weekly flowershow in Lisse by someone else.
We have looked in the book and discussed the leaves, but the grower said that the measurements
of the leaves in culture and in nature may vary, depending on the circumstances. i. e. weather, soil, how much nutrients the plant was able to take, etc. etc.!
But I will see the grower next week and ask him again.