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Title: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on April 28, 2011, 04:11:30 PM
Couldn't find a thread already but due to the plants being in the greenhouse they probably flower earlier than outside so I might as well start the Lilium 2011 thread with Lilium mackliniae. Coming from Cox it was supposed to be the dark Nagaland form but it seems too pale for that so I have to hope the seeds send by Liz Mills will eventually make me see the real thing.....
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on April 28, 2011, 04:16:59 PM
Pascal, I would think that that lily outside would be darker. It is likely to be rather bleached by being grown under glass.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on April 28, 2011, 04:28:05 PM
You mean because of the warmer temps? It is grown in between my Asarum and that is a heavy shaded part of the glasshouse.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on April 28, 2011, 04:41:49 PM
Rhododendrons, lilies, maybe even most garden plants that are grown or opened under glass have a tendency to bleached flowers.  Higher temps. less light, all add up to paler flowers.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: jshields on April 28, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
Many plants with red flowers, in tropical or subtropical settings, tend to fade out to rose or orange colors when grown in lower light levels.  The red colors, due to anthocyanins, do not develop so strongly in low light levels as they do in higher light levels.  This is due to the relation of red anthocyanin pigment formation to protection from high light and especially high UV levels.

Jim
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on April 28, 2011, 06:36:37 PM
Ok, I was unfamiliar with that effect, I was expecting the inside of the flowers to be as dark as the outside. Will ask Anne Chambers if hers are darker as she has from the same batch and grows outside.

The temperate Arisaema I grow under glass don't really seem to be bothered with this effect luckily and neither do the Asarum. Would this also cause bleaching out in between the veins of Lilium leaves? I can't really asses whether I have imported some with virus or not.... :-\ Will try to make a picture of such leaves tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on April 28, 2011, 10:10:46 PM
Rhododendrons, lilies, maybe even most garden plants that are grown or opened under glass have a tendency to bleached flowers.  Higher temps. less light, all add up to paler flowers.

Absolutely right Maggi. We grow some regular L. macklinae in the greenhouse and they are faintly pink quickly aging to white. Pascal's will be sensational outdoors you can be sure.  Our gereenhouse temperatures are very cool so you can almost rule that out as a factor.

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on May 03, 2011, 10:42:22 PM
I hope Maggi agrees Nomocharis are more or less part of Lilium so I can post it here, the first Nomocharis I had in flower, N. farreri. At least, it is similar to the pictures of this species at the Genus Lilum website but can't be key'ed out with the key in the Flora of China because according to the FoC, N. farreri has no lacerate margins of the inner petals...
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on May 04, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on May 04, 2011, 09:16:54 PM
I was lucky enough to get some virus-free, flowering size bulbs of Lilum rubellum last year straight from Japan and after loosing my seedgrown plants in the past I am glad to have it back and sniff the fragrance again..... :)

Oh, and yes, the pollen is really that vivid orange. I can still see it on my white shirt... :'(
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 15, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
Lilium oxypetalum var insigne- this one from Susan Band's List and it's a little cracker about 20cm tall. About two weeks earlier than last year.

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 15, 2011, 07:06:39 PM
Very beautifull David  :)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 15, 2011, 07:40:51 PM
Thank you Peter, it may set seed, it did last year, if you would like some PM me.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on May 16, 2011, 11:10:06 AM
My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on May 16, 2011, 11:16:13 AM
I hope Maggi agrees Nomocharis are more or less part of Lilium so I can post it here, the first Nomocharis I had in flower, N. farreri. At least, it is similar to the pictures of this species at the Genus Lilum website but can't be key'ed out with the key in the Flora of China because according to the FoC, N. farreri has no lacerate margins of the inner petals...
Hello,
I think it fits the description in FoC quite well. At least more like farreri than anything else. One has to take aslight variation in count.
Cheers Göte
PS
My nomocharis are just emerging.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hans J on May 17, 2011, 10:20:30 AM
Before many years I have received seeds of Lilium pyrenaicum ( yellow and red form ) from a nice friend in England .
The pot with the red form is died after some time ...but the yellow form grows well - so I decide to plant it in the garden ....it seems the location is well for this plant and last year have flowered the first plants ( yellow )
Now in this year I have realized that on this clump of plants is also one with a red flower ...I was really happy  ;D ;D ;D
Here are some pics :

Enjoy
Hans
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on May 17, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
Well done Hans  ;D and you are lucky...
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hans J on May 17, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
Thank you Nicole !
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 17, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
congratulations Hans  :)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hans J on May 17, 2011, 07:39:59 PM
thanks Peter  ;D
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Roma on May 23, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
Lilium oxypetalum insigne
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 23, 2011, 08:56:02 PM
Great job Hans !!

I love that L. oxypetalum insigne Roma and David !!  A little beauty it is !

A bit more robust is my Lilium x martagon "Early Bird".
One flowering stem last year, 3 this year !!!  :D :D
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on May 24, 2011, 09:23:27 AM
very nice lilies,my martagons are in bud but will be a week or so yet.

Here is a Nomocharis aperta a very nice gift from Giles.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on May 24, 2011, 09:57:08 AM
very nice lilies,my martagons are in bud but will be a week or so yet.

Here is a Nomocharis aperta a very nice gift from Giles.

Lovely little plant! Do you (or Giles) have any collection data for it? It's the form with Lilium-like filaments.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on May 24, 2011, 12:35:52 PM
I am sorry but I have no information but perhaps Giles may post.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ichristie on May 24, 2011, 07:13:23 PM
Hi all, thanks for the super pictures very interesting I am posting a few pictures first are some forms of Nomocharis then an odd flower of Lilium oxypetalum Insigne, we have flowered pure white ones before but this is a half way very odd, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ichristie on May 26, 2011, 08:05:49 AM
Hi again, hope you have not had the fierce gales like we have had 75 miles an hour not a single meconopsis head has survived out in the garden thankfully I saved the big net tunnel where most of the Meconopsis are most are flowering but a bit raggedy. I am posting the first picture of Lilium oxypetalum we have three flower spikes this year and they have been in the garden for around 7 years hope for seed, I am conviced that this is a separate species, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on May 26, 2011, 08:31:43 AM
Ian;

It's not the yellow form of Nomocharis aperta, then? See pic below. Re: the blotched L. oxypetalum insigne, I'd be a little worried about virus, the irregular colour is quite typical.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on May 26, 2011, 09:50:01 PM
Lilium sempervivoideum from China
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ichristie on May 27, 2011, 07:31:21 AM
Hi, I do not have the yellow Nomocharis aperta would like to have it as for the Lilum Oxypetalum insigne if we have a virus then the bulbs and flower look normal in the past we have flowered a pure white form and thought this is a half way hybrid maybe I should bin it??.  thanks, Ian the Christie kind.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on May 27, 2011, 08:17:30 PM
I would bin it, the irregular color is very typical (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L56vDsy2_KM/TR3mRTmpJqI/AAAAAAAAAPM/aAFXDZHfKn4/s1600/Tiger%252BLily%252B-%252Bvirus%252B1%252B%252528594%252Bx%252B600%252529.jpg&imgrefurl=http://theplantwhisperer.blogspot.com/2010/12/common-issues-with-oriental-lilies.html&usg=__K1N_txTR_VyerFXhzl9aBTC4wek=&h=600&w=594&sz=74&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Fy42XJR7csbGzM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=130&ei=PPjfTayHOs3oOZeV1YEK&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlily%2Bvirus%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GUEA_enNO332NO332%26biw%3D1020%26bih%3D584%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=120&vpy=66&dur=1390&hovh=226&hovw=223&tx=143&ty=129&page=1&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1020&bih=584) of a viral infection. Should get a few spare yellow Nomocharis next year, just need to be sure they come true from seed.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hakone on May 28, 2011, 12:09:12 PM
liliul martagon album

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2749/m003k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/m003k.jpg/)

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1746/m002k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/m002k.jpg/)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Wim de Goede on May 28, 2011, 03:08:18 PM
I like to show you Lily langongensis it is in flower in my greenhouse yet.

Ian I like your Nomocharis  very much, a pitty I can not grow them

Wim
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ichristie on May 29, 2011, 06:38:03 PM
Hi Arisaema will bin it soonest, here is another picture of lilium oxypetalum with the three flowers open will send you some seed if it sets, cheers Ian the Christie kind
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 06, 2011, 05:12:32 PM
Hoping to get my hands on var. rubrum too one day but nevertheless a very nice Lilium, L. bakerianum var. delavayi. I hope I can self it as I only got one flowering....
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tim Ingram on June 09, 2011, 07:55:12 AM
Several nice lilies in Peter and Gill Regan's garden in Kent. Lilium martagon cattaniae, a wonderful deep mahogany-red form with glossy petals; L. martagon hybrid, quite a striking plant very different to others in the garden; L. monadelphum, the most glorious Turkish species (I have never been able to grow this well but Gill and Peter are on heavy retentive clay which maintains higher moisture levels into the summer); and a general view of part of the garden with martagons self-sowing freely.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on June 09, 2011, 10:16:03 AM
Tim,

they are all just beautifull.  I've tried L. monodelphum, but it never established.  Other than moisture retention, what kind of soil is this one growing in? Is it a sandy clay, or truly wet, put-it-on-the-wheel-and-throw-a-pot clay.  I have no problem with L. martagon.  Maybe I just had bad luck.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on June 09, 2011, 10:24:16 AM
Several nice lilies in Peter and Gill Regan's garden in Kent. Lilium martagon cattaniae, a wonderful deep mahogany-red form with glossy petals; L. martagon hybrid, quite a striking plant very different to others in the garden; L. monadelphum, the most glorious Turkish species (I have never been able to grow this well but Gill and Peter are on heavy retentive clay which maintains higher moisture levels into the summer); and a general view of part of the garden with martagons self-sowing freely.
 What a lovely garden..... looks like high summer - We've a few weeks to go before Aberdeen gets that look, if at all. Grey again now after a sunny start.
Tim, I enjoyed your super photos from the super spring garden of the late Rosemary Powis in the  website Discussion area...it too looked so inviting in the sunshine with all its colour.
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/inthegarden/Rosemary+Powiss+Garden/553/
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 09, 2011, 12:26:53 PM
Maggie if i had to pass that front garden on my daily travels i wouldn't get anywhere,simply stunning.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tim Ingram on June 09, 2011, 02:55:06 PM
Many thanks - I am borrowing other people's gardens but that's always nice! Gill and Peter's garden is a pretty heavy clay but has been worked for so many years that it is not too difficult to plant into, except in certain areas. Gill gardens it very naturally, not removing a lot of the growth of perennials as they die down, but allowing them to be incorporated into the soil afresh. There are also quite a lot of stones and flints in the soil and this must help quite a bit with the drainage, if making it painful to put in a fork (they don't own a spade!!).
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on June 09, 2011, 08:11:01 PM
A couple of martagons from me. i bought them both from H W Hyde last autumn

Lilium martagon albiflorum

Lilium martagon 'Red Russia'
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Martin Baxendale on June 09, 2011, 10:26:53 PM
Very nice, Tony. I was looking at their website and am very tempted by their martagons, including the two you bought. L. m. albiflorum looks very good. Would you say Red Russian is distinctive enough to be worth having? Looks a bit like cattaniae but with a pale reverse. I'm not saying it doesn't look good in your photo, just wondering what your opinion of it 'in the flesh' is compared to cattaniae.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on June 10, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Very nice, Tony. I was looking at their website and am very tempted by their martagons, including the two you bought. L. m. albiflorum looks very good. Would you say Red Russian is distinctive enough to be worth having? Looks a bit like cattaniae but with a pale reverse. I'm not saying it doesn't look good in your photo, just wondering what your opinion of it 'in the flesh' is compared to cattaniae.

Martin

a couple of pictures below,sorry they are not great but I think they illustrate the differences. The left flower is what I call cattaniae which is grown from scales I collected in N. Greece some years ago .It is a very dark small flowered plant.

Although it is a very nice plant there is no similarity with Red Russia which is as you can see different in both form and colour. The beauty of the latter is in my view the pale reverse which as the flower does not re-curve as tightly as cattaniae can be seen and makes the flowers appear to glow.

The reason I mentioned where I purchased them is that they came as really fine bulbs.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hakone on June 10, 2011, 09:18:02 AM
Lilum nepalense

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1769/liliumnepalense01.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/liliumnepalense01.jpg/)

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4999/liliumnepalense02.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/liliumnepalense02.jpg/)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on June 10, 2011, 12:56:52 PM
Tony,

beautiful martagons.  I've quite a few lilies from Hyde and can only say they are a very good company, imo.  I've never been disappointed in quality and everything has grown for me, plus they are a friendly lot.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Martin Baxendale on June 10, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Very nice, Tony. I was looking at their website and am very tempted by their martagons, including the two you bought. L. m. albiflorum looks very good. Would you say Red Russian is distinctive enough to be worth having? Looks a bit like cattaniae but with a pale reverse. I'm not saying it doesn't look good in your photo, just wondering what your opinion of it 'in the flesh' is compared to cattaniae.

Martin

a couple of pictures below,sorry they are not great but I think they illustrate the differences. The left flower is what I call cattaniae which is grown from scales I collected in N. Greece some years ago .It is a very dark small flowered plant.



Although it is a very nice plant there is no similarity with Red Russia which is as you can see different in both form and colour. The beauty of the latter is in my view the pale reverse which as the flower does not re-curve as tightly as cattaniae can be seen and makes the flowers appear to glow.

The reason I mentioned where I purchased them is that they came as really fine bulbs.

Tony, thanks for the individual flower pics and your description of the differences. That's very helpful. If the segments don't recurve strongly like cattaniae, and the pale outers remain fully on view, then that (along with the paler centre) will give Red Russian a much different look. Good also to know that they're a good supplier. Just hope I can afford all those that I feel tempted by (probably not  :-\)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on June 12, 2011, 03:46:41 PM
Two lilies in flower here this morning.

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: DaveM on June 12, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
Flowering in my garden today:

Lilium pyrenaicum

Lilium martagon - this form was grown from seed collected on the lower slopes of Mount Vermion by the AGS MESE trip back in 99 and called by the collecting team 'Naoussa Boutari' - looks pretty close to var cattaniae.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on June 13, 2011, 09:30:59 AM
Dave the martagon is very nice and I would say the same as mine from Mt Falakro which is only a short distance away and which I think is var cattaniae. I have not found Lilium martagon on Vermion but grow L. chalcedonicum from there where it grows in some quantity. Seems a little strange to give it a name when it is the standard form across the area.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 13, 2011, 06:00:01 PM
Lilium duchartrei and what I believe to be the pink form of bakerianum, a plant I wanted for a long time but apparantly already had...., unless someone tells me it is not... :-\
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Arykana on June 13, 2011, 07:59:10 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/lili-4.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/IMG_7067.jpg)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on June 13, 2011, 08:01:58 PM
I know lilies are naturally photogenic.... but the photos here are especially lovely.... thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pete Clarke on June 13, 2011, 10:12:45 PM
Lily 1 -4, I thought I would ask again this year if anyone has any idea as to the name of this lovely lily.
Various names were suggested last year but none seemed to fit when I read up further on them.
A key feature is the very hairy tips to the buds - petals.
Lilium svovitsianum.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on June 14, 2011, 03:59:04 AM
I would have said a lovely form of Lilium candidum.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on June 14, 2011, 12:22:30 PM
Lily 1 -4, I thought I would ask again this year if anyone has any idea as to the name of this lovely lily.
Various names were suggested last year but none seemed to fit when I read up further on them.
A key feature is the very hairy tips to the buds - petals.
Lilium svovitsianum.
Please send a pic showing all of the plant. I should guess that it is one of the caucasians. Kesselringianum or one of the allies. It seems fairly likely that it is akkusianum which is hairy and has these elongates basal parts of the flowers.
I suggest a visit to http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/main.htm for more info.
Göte.
  
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on June 14, 2011, 04:04:54 PM
two more lilies in flower at the moment

Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae from Mt Falakro in NE Greece

Lilium polyphyllum from seed collected by Margaret and Henry Taylor
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on June 14, 2011, 07:13:45 PM
Lilium szovitsianum in my country garden
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 14, 2011, 07:44:36 PM
two more lilies in flower at the moment

Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae from Mt Falakro in NE Greece

Lilium polyphyllum from seed collected by Margaret and Henry Taylor
Lovely,lovely martagon Tony.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on June 14, 2011, 07:58:59 PM
A nice surprise when we arrived home yesterday, thanks to a kind forumist, Lilium grayi.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on June 14, 2011, 08:04:29 PM
Brian,

Lilium grayi is very elegant! What a shape and colour!
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ashley on June 14, 2011, 08:51:35 PM
Lilium grayi is very elegant! What a shape and colour!

Rather stunning, isn't it :o
Many other beauties here too.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pete Clarke on June 14, 2011, 09:34:26 PM
Many thanks Göte. I think you are right about it being Lilium akkusianum. Fits the decription given in the web link you provided.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on June 15, 2011, 01:47:23 AM
A nice solid red grayii there Brian. Mine have a touch of orange which I find a bit strange.

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on June 15, 2011, 08:18:47 AM
Thanks chaps, I was really pleased with the colour John, now have to site it in the garden.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: pehe on June 15, 2011, 11:13:07 AM
Lillium is not my strong side, but I succeed with this hydride, which I got from my dads garden where it has been growing for half a century. Can anyone put a name on it?

Poul
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Otto Fauser on June 15, 2011, 02:37:40 PM
Brian , your beautyful dark red L. grayi is so much nicer than the hybrid between it and canadense growing in my garden .
          and Pascal your L . bakerianum is exquisite ! I lily I have not seen before . Does it set seed ?
 
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hakone on June 15, 2011, 05:03:36 PM
Lilium callosum

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/364/liliumcallosum02k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/liliumcallosum02k.jpg/)

(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2244/liliumcallosum03k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/liliumcallosum03k.jpg/)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 15, 2011, 06:41:34 PM
Pascal your L . bakerianum is exquisite ! I lily I have not seen before . Does it set seed ?
 

Otto, I had only one flower so I selfed it and keep my fingers crossed. The remaining pollen of it and the delavayi form I have send to Tony Willis so he can try pollinating his delavayi  plant (which is slightly later than mine). I did not want to cross the yellow-brown with the pink but next year if anyone else has the roseum form too I can send the pollen to that person to see if seeds can be produced to grow it on a larger scale. I was looking for the roseum form of bakerianum but as it turns out it was in a batch of an unflowered import from China from 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 16, 2011, 05:14:05 AM
Lillium is not my strong side, but I succeed with this hydride, which I got from my dads garden where it has been growing for half a century. Can anyone put a name on it?

Poul
Hi Poul,
it may be one of the "Mid-Century" hybrids raised by Jan de Graafe in the USA in the 1950s.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on June 17, 2011, 08:22:39 AM
Lillium is not my strong side, but I succeed with this hydride, which I got from my dads garden where it has been growing for half a century. Can anyone put a name on it?

Poul
Hi Poul,
it may be one of the "Mid-Century" hybrids raised by Jan de Graafe in the USA in the 1950s.
cheers
fermi
I agree but it is not one I have grown meaning that I can say what it is not. If you remind me privately a few times I might remember to look for it among old catalogs and other literature.
Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Susan Band on June 17, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
Lilium rubescens grown from Ron Ratko seed. Pity he isn't collecting anymore. Hopefully I will be able to collect some seed from this plant.
Susan
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on June 17, 2011, 08:40:34 PM
A very nice lilium Susan, hope I'll may order one from your nursery soon...  ;)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: pehe on June 19, 2011, 08:22:39 AM
Thank you Fermi and Göte!

Poul
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on June 19, 2011, 08:41:54 PM
Poul,

Your lily is common in our country too. It is a very old cultivar, indeed, or maybee species. I grow it as lilium dauricum, but I am not sure about correct naming.

Today we went to the country house, my lilium szovitsianum were in full bloom and at its best. I thought I should share more pictures of it.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on June 19, 2011, 08:56:14 PM
Can anybody help me with identification of virus mosaic symptoms on Asiatic lilies?
I am very keen in identifying virus symptoms on oriental and other lilies, which have wide leaves. But I've never seen how virus looks in Asiatic lilies, which have narrow leaves. I grow around 35 lily species and cultivars, taking a special and individual care of them and so far I didn't have problems with virus. I have seen virused oriental lilies in my colleagues garden, who grows lilies for cutting.

Last year I got some Soviet-bred Asiatic lilies from Siberia and one cultivar looks very suspicious. At the beginning it looked .O. K., but later the leavesbecame very strange (darker green spots on general green ground with some yellowish tones). I don't know if it is virus or not. For virus identification, as a rule I observe younger upper leaves, as virus symptoms are better seen on younger leaves. But in this case, it is different: young leaves look O.K., but in a period of time they turn yellowish with darker spots. maybee Luit can help me, showing this pictures to the lily specialists?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Paul T on June 21, 2011, 07:49:28 AM
Zhirair,

Wow, the lilium szovitsianum is spectacular.  :o  I've seen the name before, but I didn't have a mental image of the species at all until now.  That is a gorgeous clump!!!!!  8)

Thanks so much for showing us.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on June 22, 2011, 11:37:34 AM
Thank you Fermi and Göte!

Poul
Boyed might be rigt - it might be the form of bulbiferum that does not carry bulbils. (v. croceum) However that one is more yellowish in the orange and has slightly more narrow bases to the tepals. The difference is sligt and the colour difference could be caused by your camera, your software or my screen.
Lilium dauricum is a usually taller more eastern species so unlike bulbiferum it is unlikely to grow wild in Boyed's area.
Cheers
Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on June 22, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Boyed might be rigt - it might be the form of bulbiferum that does not carry bulbils. (v. croceum) However that one is more yellowish in the orange and has slightly more narrow bases to the tepals. The difference is sligt and the colour difference could be caused by your camera, your software or my screen.
Lilium dauricum is a usually taller more eastern species so unlike bulbiferum it is unlikely to grow wild in Boyed's area.
Cheers
Göte

Göte,

This lily doen't grow wild in my area. It is grown in many gardens, where it survived from old times.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on June 23, 2011, 02:47:50 PM
I misunderstood. If dauricum really has found its way into the gardens of your area it would be an interesting fact since the variants of bulbiferum grow wild much closer to you. However, nothing is impossible. Perhaps it came on the silk road a thousand years ago.
Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on June 24, 2011, 09:28:35 PM
Dependable every year, L. pardalinum.  Like dancing flames in the garden.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 27, 2011, 11:01:19 PM
I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on June 27, 2011, 11:09:08 PM
Crumbs, Pascal, I cannot confirm ID  but what a beautiful flower!
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 27, 2011, 11:18:19 PM
Maggi, I only have one flowering so I selfed it and hope for the best. Slightly visible is a whitish streak on the outer petals which worries me a bit. Scent is strong and quite overpowering, plants are only 25 cm high, very similar in habit to the L. sempervivoideum I posted earlier, first I thought it was going to flower white but the day before it opened it turned warm pink. I only hope they can cope with the sudden heat here in Holland because if it is amoenum, it should be a "cooler" species.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 27, 2011, 11:26:18 PM
Same flower from the outside
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ArnoldT on June 28, 2011, 12:56:24 PM
Lilium ariadne
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: mark smyth on June 29, 2011, 04:03:01 PM
can I slip this in here for IDing? Right now it's being tortured in a smll pot but this hasnt stopped it producing 6 flower stems. I think it's L. duchartei.

Would it suit a trough or is it better released in to the ground?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 29, 2011, 04:26:25 PM
Looks like L. langkongense to me Mark. Not sure about a trough but it should be perfectly happy in the garden but can "run" a bit. Here is one of mine with a bit too much exposure.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: jshields on June 29, 2011, 05:51:18 PM
Saw what looks like Lilium michiganense recently for the first time ever.  These are growing at the edge of a meadow, under tall trees on a creek bank. I stood just in the meadow (and out of the poison ivy!) to take the pictures.  Height about 5 ft. (1.5 or 1.6 meters, probably).

It looks like L. michiganense to me, but I'm no expert on Lilium.  I've not seen any wild Lilium around here before in 30 years, so I'm a tad bit suspicious.  They ran a sewer line through this area several years ago, so it could have been seeded by someone.

Jim
in Westfield, Indiana
USA

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: mark smyth on June 30, 2011, 01:25:17 PM
Thanks Pascal. I will release it this week
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ArnoldT on June 30, 2011, 02:04:43 PM
Lilium leucanthum
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hans J on July 01, 2011, 01:03:49 PM
just back from our latest walk in the Black Forrest/ Germany ....where we found a population of Lilium martagon on the top of a mountain ( 1200 m altitude ) :

Enjoy
Hans  8)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Paul T on July 01, 2011, 01:26:16 PM
Hans,

Wow, that's a beauty.  Are they native there, or is it an escapee/planting?  I know you say top of a mountain, but I have no idea how much introduced flora there is there?

Pascal,

That single flowered pink species is glorious.  Just such a perfect flower. :o

Thanks for posting, everyone.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hans J on July 01, 2011, 01:39:38 PM
Paul ,

thank you !
This plants are native here - I found it also in other areas of Black Forrest - also in the Vosges Mts. and also in the Alps

Hans
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Paul T on July 01, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
Hans,

It sounds so cool to be able to see Lilium in the wild.  I can only imagine how beautiful it would be to some upon something like that in full flower while wandering around on a mountain top.  So very far away from here though for a visit.  ;D  You're very lucky.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 01, 2011, 01:55:53 PM
A couple of vacation pics ;)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Paul T on July 01, 2011, 01:57:52 PM
 :o :o
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on July 01, 2011, 02:13:43 PM
A couple of vacation pics ;)
Good grief, Bjørnar, do you know what you're doing to me?  :o 8)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 01, 2011, 02:14:51 PM
Please don't tell me that second picture shows fields of Lilium souliei?!!! If so, when does the next plane leave.....?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on July 01, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
My goodness Bjørnar, what a treat to see all those in the wild :o :o
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on July 01, 2011, 02:38:24 PM
Have to keep Ian away from this thread... he's hyperventilating again.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 01, 2011, 03:01:09 PM
Please don't tell me that second picture shows fields of Lilium souliei?!!! If so, when does the next plane leave.....?

Fields of L. souliei, indeed! It was a rather good location, Nomocharis, Megacodon and Cypripedium as roadside weeds on the way up, and hundreds of L. souliei at the top (in addition to Arisaema elephas, Mandragora caulescens, Polygonatum, Lloydia, Notholirion, Fritillaria, Cremanthodium, Primula, Rheum alexandrae etc. etc.).

Yunnan is cheap and easy, and Zhongdian has excellent pizza and Beer Lao, so a trip there is highly recommended :)

More pics coming up, just need to go thru them all (and sleep off the jet lag).
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on July 01, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
Have to keep Ian away from this thread... he's hyperventilating again.

Incredible.  :o :o :o :o

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: WimB on July 01, 2011, 03:40:15 PM
Bjørnar,

that's just stunning....WOW :o :o :o Thanks for sharing!

Pascal, when are you leaving, I'm coming with you  ;) ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on July 01, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
Me too !!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on July 01, 2011, 07:32:08 PM
Zihair, it is he same type of virus that was present in Lilium tigrinum,when it was grown by the thousands.

As you know, nowadays is seldom grown as it is the symptomless carrier of all Lilium viruses.

Edit by maggi: Ezeiza refers to  this post from June 19th 2011

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7193.msg205371#msg205371

Can anybody help me with identification of virus mosaic symptoms on Asiatic lilies?
I am very keen in identifying virus symptoms on oriental and other lilies, which have wide leaves. But I've never seen how virus looks in Asiatic lilies, which have narrow leaves. I grow around 35 lily species and cultivars, taking a special and individual care of them and so far I didn't have problems with virus. I have seen virused oriental lilies in my colleagues garden, who grows lilies for cutting.

Last year I got some Soviet-bred Asiatic lilies from Siberia and one cultivar looks very suspicious. At the beginning it looked .O. K., but later the leavesbecame very strange (darker green spots on general green ground with some yellowish tones). I don't know if it is virus or not. For virus identification, as a rule I observe younger upper leaves, as virus symptoms are better seen on younger leaves. But in this case, it is different: young leaves look O.K., but in a period of time they turn yellowish with darker spots. maybee Luit can help me, showing this pictures to the lily specialists?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on July 01, 2011, 09:35:36 PM
I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...

in my opinion...yes

here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ;D). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.

the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027752); my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage ;D one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 01, 2011, 09:51:24 PM
Not seen the brown leaf edge on my plants but the plant looks very similar to yours so great if it is amoenum.... ;D Have you ever tried to pollinate it? Would love this one get established in cultivation on a wider scale. Provided I don't kill it during winter and it will flower again I am willing to exchange pollen with who ever also got it.

And Bjørnar....., not fair.... You said you were going to places that were already pretty explored, you didn't say they would be full of one of my favourite Lilium species..... Souliei really shows how close Frittilaria and Lilium sometimes are and I love that deep red, probably the only red flower I like come to think of it...... :-\
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on July 01, 2011, 10:20:26 PM
@pascal

the amoenum flowered not at the same time (the taller one was the first, the smaller one flowered when the first one ended flowering) and i didn't know that i have 2 different amoena (http://in my mind) in my garden ::) so i didn't store the pollen of the first one in a fridge. now i found out, that i got a third lot of amoena...they emerged very late, unfortunately without flowers but with the same brown line at the leaf-margins. i will dig them all out in autumn, because i fear they are not hardy enough here in south germany/z6b.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Alessandro.marinello on July 01, 2011, 11:05:29 PM
 Similar  to my Lilium sp. that they are not successful to identify
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 01, 2011, 11:38:25 PM
@pascal

the amoenum flowered not at the same time (the taller one was the first, the smaller one flowered when the first one ended flowering) and i didn't know that i have 2 different amoena (http://in my mind) in my garden ::) so i didn't store the pollen of the first one in a fridge. now i found out, that i got a third lot of amoena...they emerged very late, unfortunately without flowers but with the same brown line at the leaf-margins. i will dig them all out in autumn, because i fear they are not hardy enough here in south germany/z6b.

Before I release anything in the garden I always first want to have an ID and at least some seeds/seedlings/offsets before I take the risk with rare plants. This one, like the L. sempervivoideum I posted earlier, will remain in its pot and overwinter in the frostfree glasshouse. I have selfpollinated both and sempervivoideum has a growing seedpod but the seeds can still turn out to be blanks. I will pm you next year when I have pollen available.

@Alesandro, sure looks very much like it too, very nice flower!
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Susan Band on July 02, 2011, 08:36:36 AM
I have noticed both colours of Lilium taliense but I presumed that I had grown a batch of seedlings. Not sure if any plants had both on the same stalk.
Susan
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 04, 2011, 11:51:29 AM
can I slip this in here for IDing? Right now it's being tortured in a smll pot but this hasnt stopped it producing 6 flower stems. I think it's L. duchartei.

Would it suit a trough or is it better released in to the ground?
To me it looks more like cernuum with those narrow leaves. Lankongense/duchartreii is usually at least 60cm up to 120cm tall when flowering with more than one flower. Cernuum is less than 60 cm.
Cernuum leaves are less than 5mm wide. Lankongese leaves are more than 5mm wide.
Lankongese and duchartreii are by some considered to be the same species. Lankongense is supposed to be pink with flowers in a raceme wheras duchartreii is white with flowers in umbel (but nodding turkscap) I have seen intermediate forms. Both tend to have stems that go sideways underground for up to half a meter befor emerging.

Anyway: Most forms of all three are completely frost hardy in mid Sweden so I would plant it out as soon as possible.

Cheers
Göte   
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 04, 2011, 11:55:37 AM
Zihair, it is he same type of virus that was present in Lilium tigrinum,when it was grown by the thousands.

As you know, nowadays is seldom grown as it is the symptomless carrier of all Lilium viruses.

Edit by maggi: Ezeiza refers to  this post from June 19th 2011

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7193.msg205371#msg205371

Can anybody help me with identification of virus mosaic symptoms on Asiatic lilies?
I am very keen in identifying virus symptoms on oriental and other lilies, which have wide leaves. But I've never seen how virus looks in Asiatic lilies, which have narrow leaves. I grow around 35 lily species and cultivars, taking a special and individual care of them and so far I didn't have problems with virus. I have seen virused oriental lilies in my colleagues garden, who grows lilies for cutting.

Last year I got some Soviet-bred Asiatic lilies from Siberia and one cultivar looks very suspicious. At the beginning it looked .O. K., but later the leavesbecame very strange (darker green spots on general green ground with some yellowish tones). I don't know if it is virus or not. For virus identification, as a rule I observe younger upper leaves, as virus symptoms are better seen on younger leaves. But in this case, it is different: young leaves look O.K., but in a period of time they turn yellowish with darker spots. maybee Luit can help me, showing this pictures to the lily specialists?
Lilium lancifolium (tigrinunm) is also available as diploid form that can be propagated by seed and these should be virus free.
Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 04, 2011, 12:02:12 PM
I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...

in my opinion...yes

here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ;D). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.

the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027752); my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage ;D one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?

Also in my opinion it is amoenum. A most beautiful lily but difficult to overwinter. It is one of the few i would grow in a pot - at least until I got several to experiment with. It might be OK in Holland but in Mid Sweden it is a loss.  I have found that in my climate there are a few species like Lilium amoenum and Cymbidium goeringii that will show no obvious frost damage in the winter but will refuse to start growing in the spring.

The flowers are of different age. is this the reason?

Cheers
Göte   

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 06, 2011, 08:24:15 AM
the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027752); my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage ;D one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?

Today I noticed the same phenomenon on a lijiangense. Flowers open yellow and fade to near white during their span of life.
Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 08, 2011, 11:04:05 AM
A Lilium from N Vietnam, not sure what species it is, possibly Lilium poilanei but it is different in habit to the plant sold under that name by Crûg Farm. Can anyone show a picture of a flowering Crûg Lilium poilanei to compare?. The Crûg plant is supposed to be quite similar to Lilium nepalense which suggests it might be Lilium majoense and not poilanei.

Scent of this plant is very strong in the evening, the entire glasshouse was filled with it and the reason I noticed the first flower was open. After the second flower opened I left the door open during the night, the smell is very nice but so strong it gave me a headache.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on July 08, 2011, 12:00:03 PM
A lilium that I hope someone can identify.  Sorry about the poor picture, I'll try and take a better one, but I suspect that someone here might know what it is from this picture.  I have had this twice, the first time it was supposed to be Lilium souilei and the second time it was bought as Lilium amoenum.  I'm sure it's neither!  It has dangerous looking black stem bulbils and doesn't flower for me (the first time I had it, it went in the bin).  I'd be grateful for any help in identification, I'm sure others must have had this plant.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 08, 2011, 12:32:45 PM
Pascal;

Isn't L. majoense more Northernly? Our Chinese friend told me she got them from Sichuan...

Diane;

That lily was identified in a lily thread a year or two ago, it's a white trumpet, but I can't remember which one of them. They are usually virused.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 08, 2011, 02:19:47 PM
I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...

in my opinion...yes

here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ;D). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.


Just back from holiday and my two 'Lilium amoenum' (not sure what they are yet) have emerged into growth and both have a reddish brown leaf edge. They will not flower this year.

My lilium  from N. Vietnam are still in early bud but if they look like Pascal's I will be pleased. They are supposed to be Lilium poilanei
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 08, 2011, 03:27:44 PM
Pascal;

Isn't L. majoense more Northernly? Our Chinese friend told me she got them from Sichuan...


Bjornar, this one is not from Chen Yi.  Regarding majoense, who knows where it occurs...... As Lilium are used as medicine throughout these areas they might as well be cultivated and escaped. Either this or the Crug plant could also be a new species but of the 2 different collection numbers I bought from Crug none are flowering size yet, one even fell apart into several small ones..., not sure if that makes me happy or not.... :-\

One thing is for sure, they both definitely come from N Vietnam but show a different habit so it doesn't seem they are the same taxon.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 08, 2011, 05:27:53 PM
Lilium parryi from California a bulb I purchased last autumn
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on July 08, 2011, 06:52:26 PM
Two species lilium blooming today.  Certainly easy in the garden. (which is why I manage to grow them)

L. leichtlinii
L. henryi
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 08, 2011, 07:53:48 PM
Two from the local Supermarket.? :)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on July 09, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
Today I got a pleasant surprise. Below a large Rhododendron I found this little lily. I had forgotten that I had planted it there for a few years ago. I made it from seed I got from RHS Lily Group in 2007. It is a rare American species and the name is Lilium maritimum.

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 10, 2011, 10:58:08 PM
A couple more lilies in flower,sorry they are not as sharp as I would like.

Both gifts

Lilium michiganense from Kurt Vickery

Lilium canadense from John in Newfoundland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 11, 2011, 03:39:52 PM
A lilium that I hope someone can identify.  Sorry about the poor picture, I'll try and take a better one, but I suspect that someone here might know what it is from this picture.  I have had this twice, the first time it was supposed to be Lilium souilei and the second time it was bought as Lilium amoenum.  I'm sure it's neither!  It has dangerous looking black stem bulbils and doesn't flower for me (the first time I had it, it went in the bin).  I'd be grateful for any help in identification, I'm sure others must have had this plant.

It looks like lancifolium to me. I have also received lancifolium by "mistake" (under the name callosum)
I am aware that many strains of lancifolium are infected and symptomless, however, those I grow seem not to harm any neighbours. Presently I am trying to rise a strain of diploid seedlings in order to be eally sure.
Göte
 
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tim Ingram on July 11, 2011, 10:39:46 PM
Most lilies struggle in our dry summer garden, but we do well with candidum and chalcedonicum. I would also like to try more western US species and humboldtii (grown from seed) has done very well this year, just slightly going over. It has very attractive foliage when it first emerges.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 12, 2011, 08:40:54 AM
Most lilies struggle in our dry summer garden, but we do well with candidum and chalcedonicum. I would also like to try more western US species and humboldtii (grown from seed) has done very well this year, just slightly going over. It has very attractive foliage when it first emerges.
Bulbiferum will grow in a dry sunny garden. It naturalizes here in roadbanks and stone walls.
Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on July 12, 2011, 09:15:44 AM
@pascal + arisaema

i grow the same Lilium poilanei and i guess they come from the same chinese source ;). every stem shows buds (1 to 5 buds). i guess it will last some weeks, till flowering. i stored the pot outside from beginning may in a shadowy place. i can't remember where, but somewhere in i-net i had read, that this lily doesn't like warmth and won't flower under too warm conditions. this seems to be a wrong information when i see, that pascal stored his lilies under warm greenhouse conditions. has anybody more information about the location, where this lily was found? could it be the Fansipan/Fan Si Pan range in north-vietnam, near the chinese border?

this "poilanei" seems closely related to Lilium primulinum var. burmanicum (http://the-genus-lilium.com/images/Lilium/primulinum1.jpg).
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 10:37:19 AM
@pascal + greenspan

It's probably easier just asking the source, but I think he's off doing fieldwork in Tibet. It's from the border area anyway, either around Lao Cai or maybe further west? His L. amoenum come from low altitudes around Hekou.

Greenspan; I'm not sure all the images on The Genus Lilium are to be trusted? Crûgs L. poilanei is yellow and looks very close to some pictures of L. primulinum v. ochraceum...

> Regarding majoense, who knows where it occurs...... As Lilium are used as medicine throughout these areas they might as well be cultivated and escaped.

There's a very limited number of species used for food, and I don't think L. majoense is among them. While Chen Yi's bulbs may be cultivated I strongly suspect they infact do originate from Sichuan. Do you have access to the original description?

@Gøte + Diane

Here's the thread with CYs "souliei" in flower: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4158.0
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on July 12, 2011, 10:56:53 AM
yes i noticed the same, that some of the fotos in markus website-project "the-genus-lilium.com" seem to be wrong labelled. do you think the fotos of lilium primulinum are wrong on the-genus-lilium-site? i think, that the Lilium poilanei in the form of pascals lily seems to be very close related to Lilium primulinum. isn't it obvious?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 11:32:59 AM
As many Asian Lilium are quite hard to identify no doubt some of the pictures on the Lilium.com site might not be under the correct species. What also often happens is that an initial identification is copied over and over again and taken as the reference for that name without actually knowing if that identification was correct in the first place. Although I am not really into Lilium taxonomy or familiar with the discerning characters, in order to identify this N Vietnam species I copied the original description of poilanei during my last visit to the Leiden herbarium. With the help of David Scherberich I managed to translate it from French and it is like this:

Lilium poilanei Gagnepain
1-1.50 m tall, drying orange-red, shiny. Leaves sessile, scattered, lanceolate, attenuate at base, acuminate near top, paler below, 10 cm long  x 10-15 mm, the upper barely smaller, serving as bracts, about 3-5 ribs at underside of leaf. Terminal inflorescence, as a leafy cluster to 20 cm, 5-6 flowers, creamy white, with red lines, 9-10 cm long, funnel-shaped, almost cylindrical and obtuse in bud. - Perianth not striped or spotted; petals almost similar, equal, inside ones a little wide, 2 cm, all wider above the middle, wide and long attenuated at the base, pale yellow, darker at the top with an Andrinople-red (it is a kind of red color) line in the middle, at the end of anthesis strongly revolute. Stamens not reaching the apex of perianth parts, filament filiform awl-like, 6 cm long, glabrous, anther oblong, 12 mm long, loose, green, yellow pollen. Ovary cylindrical, truncated, 15 mm long, style gradually dilated upwards stigmata capitate, trilobate, 4 mm wide, exceeding the anthers.
Tonkin: kilometer 8, pass of Lo-qui-ho, near Chapa (Poilane).
Laos: between Muong-het and M. Seng (Polain)


It should be noted that the description is accompanied by a drawing clearly showing 2 broad basal leaflets of the peduncle but the flower shape is more funnel shaped than the flower on my pictures.
Probably next week I will return to the herbarium and look up the description of primulinum and its varieties. The primulinum reference states Flora of British India and Bot Mag so the last publication should show a painting of it and usually the Bot Mag paintings are in full habit.

As Baker described primulinum in 1892, it predates poilanei and it really depends on the question if Gagnepain was familair with this description and he didn't "re-describe" the same taxon in a form at its easterly limit? Being described in the Flora of India suggest that primulinum was described from one of the states neighbouring Burma, still a long way away from N Vietnam.... The pictures of the various collections on the Crûg website are not all showing the same flower but the KWJ12064 and HWJ681 are not flowering size yet so I can't confirm if they are the same or different or that we are talking about a rather polymorphic species.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
They are obviously all quite closely related, probably why the authors of the FoC decided to synonymize them all under L. primulinum and L. nepalense... The original descriptions would be incredibly helpful, without them we're just left guessing.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 11:51:22 AM
I know it is a long shot but if anyone has acces to Botanical Magazine already and can scan the description and painting? The copyright on the old Botanical Magazines no longer applies so can be published on the internet. I can photocopy the article during my next visit but can't scan them, otherwise it will be a picture from a black & white copy or a picture taken with a cameraphone as cameras are not allowed in the library....
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 12:10:32 PM
The drawing from the Lilium poilanei description, a somewhat "artist impression"  that is not really helpful.... :-[
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 12:29:53 PM
Curtis' is already online, see here (http://www.botanicus.org/item/31753002721907).

The other relevant names and synonyms listed in FoC are as follows:

Lilium primulinum var. primulinum Baker, Bot. Mag., vol. 118, t. 7227. 1892. (below)

Lilium primulinum var. burmanicum (W. W. Smith) Stearn, Gard. Chron., ser. 3. 124: 13. 1948:
Lilium nepalense D. Don var. burmanicum W. W. Smith, Trans. Bot. Soc. Edinburgh 28: 135. 1922
L. ochraceum Franchet var. burmanicum (W. W. Smith) Cotton

Lilium primulinum var. ochraceum (Franchet) Stearn, Gard. Chron., ser. 3. 124: 13. 1948:
Lilium ochraceum Franchet, J. Bot. (Morot) 6: 319. 1892
L. majoense H. Léveillé
L. nepalense D. Don var. ochraceum (Franchet) S. Yun Liang
L. tenii H. Léveillé

Lilium nepalense D. Don, Mem. Wern. Nat. Hist. Soc. 3: 412. 1820.

There might be some additional names listed in CVH, I'll check it later.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 12:39:49 PM
Thanx Bjornar, didn't know some institute was already putting it online, very helpful, saves me time for some other "to-do" items I had on my list too.... ;D

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 12:56:16 PM
One important feature that already is clear from the primulinum description is that it should be flowering from an umbel, something the N Vietnam plant clearly doesn't do. However, I am not sure how to interpret the "terminal inflorescence, leafy cluster along 20 cm" from the polainei description.... Given that it is "along 20 cm" it suggests it might be branched like the N Vietnam plant.

Primulinum also shows a leaflet halfway up the pedicel (but that might be a less important character) which the N Vietnam plant lacks.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 01:13:20 PM
Remember that the above is the description of L. primulinum v. primulinum which is restricted to Burma and Laos, the Chinese varieties may differ a fair bit...

Protologues of Lilium tenii and L. majoense (+ L. pyi) below, also from Botanicus (http://www.botanicus.org/page/265914).

Edit: What the heck is Lilium duclouxii?

Kouy-tcheou is supposedly an old name for Guizhou province. Anyone know a "Ma-jo", or "Yunnan: Lou-pou, Tong-chuan" (possibly Dongchuan)?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 01:45:37 PM
Remember that the above is the description of L. primulinum v. primulinum which is restricted to Burma and Laos, the Chinese varieties may differ a fair bit...


The absence or presence of branched or clustered flowers is used within Lilium at a species level, in my view a much more dependable character than color or markings. So if the Chinese taxa have a branched flower stem and the ones from the border with Burma a cluster I highly doubt they belong to the same species.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on July 12, 2011, 01:56:13 PM
One important feature that already is clear from the primulinum description is that it should be flowering from an umbel, ...

inflorescence description of Lilium primulinum in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=240001426): "Flowers 4--9 in a raceme".
the description in curtis: "Flowers about three, arrangend in a corymb (http://pharm1.pharmazie.uni-greifswald.de/systematik/ergaenz/corymbus.htm) or umbel.."

i think the formation of the inflorescence depends on the number of flowers. e.g. this foto of L. taliense (http://the-genus-lilium.com/images/Lilium/taliense5.jpg) shows 3 flowers emerging from the same point and not till then the flowers produce a typical raceme inflorescence. so if a young lilium bulb produces only up to 3 flowers, they could be arranged as an umbel even though the inflorescence is a raceme normally. maybe that's why in the curtis magazine description named 2 inflorescence types. (sorry my english isn't so good. i hope everybody understands what i mean  ;D).
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 02:16:39 PM
Here's the protologue for L. ochraceum, from J. Bot. (Morot) 6. (The .pdf is huge (http://www.archive.org/details/journaldebotaniq06pari), but a very interesting read as it has protologues for a lot of Chinese lily species.)

Edit: Tchang Chan is Diancang Shan (i.e. CangShan) next to Dali.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 02:23:33 PM
Greenspan, I understand what you are saying but in the case of the N Vietnam plant I have a second bulb that has 2 flowering buds, not in an umbel but already branched. As a matter of fact, there is even a leaflet half way in between the 2 pedicels and each pedicel has 2 basal leaflets.

No comment on the Flora of China.....(..)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on July 12, 2011, 02:28:40 PM
i'll make a foto of my "poilanei"-buds this evening...free choice...umbel + raceme, depending on the number of flowers. 8)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 02:56:53 PM
I tend to agree with greenspan re: the value of the flower arrangement for identification; I have a L. majoense with 4 buds arranged in a perfect umbel, pictures on Google show the same lily with two flowers in a raceme. There's also a L. duchartrei with 6 buds in a raceme, and a lankongense with three buds in an umbel...
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 05:30:12 PM
As I said, my N Vietnam plant with 2 flower buds has a branched raceme. As such that would contradict your hypothesis about a correlation, it merely shows the character itself is unstable, at least in some species and/or sections. It also shows that for keying out taliense and other species the Flora of China key becomes useless.... ;)

In case of this group of species it then depends on other characters but the original descriptions are not much of help as far as I can read them. It would be a daunting task to look into this group as not all holotypes are yet online and many characters now used were not described (shape & size of bulb, production of stolons, stem roots etc....). I think I pass.....
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Liz Mills on July 12, 2011, 05:32:14 PM
By chance I took these photos in my garden in the middle of June.  I was sold the bulb as Lilium primulinum ochraceum and think this is correct.  It is hardy and long lived.  Does this help you with your discussion?

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
The botanical epithet "ochraceum" means pale yellow. Primulinum as per Curtis is yellow unmarked, the description of Lilium ochraceum states: "Flores 1-3, virginei nutantes, lutei, immaculati"
Which I would read as "1-3 flowers, nodding and yellow". I see no reference to any markings and suppose the "immaculati" refers to the color?! Any people on the forum that read Latin better than I do? And what does the virginei have to do with nutantes?

Whatever it is Liz, it is very attractive, does it set viable seed?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 06:27:44 PM
Isn't "virginei nutantes" something like "nodding when young/before anthesis"? Like you I'd understand "immaculati" to mean unspotted...

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on July 12, 2011, 06:29:15 PM
immaculati means unspotted, unflecked, pure.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 12, 2011, 06:48:50 PM
How many had they seen when they wrote the description?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 12, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
OK, then I was looking in the right direction.....As the immaculati was separated from lutei by a comma I was a bit confused.

@ Tony, there are so many things that could have happened during history when describing a species, it really depends on the author, how the material came to them etc.... During the time of the missionaries a lot of material was simply shipped as dried specimen to Paris and published by people who had never seen the living plant. Many plants collected by Delavay for instance. If lucky the sheets were part of a set showing the various stages or manifestations/variety within a population but often it was merely a single specimen. They worked with what they got and after the publication when more info becomes available the description is updated and ammended. Only during the time of the great planthunters also seeds and/or living material was send to Europe. I have come across many issues while looking at Arisaema that literally meant reconstructing history to find out what the author exactly meant with the name (the history of Arisaema fargesii and franchetianum for instance is still muddled).

As this is merely making ochraceum a variety of primulinum it probably was just a matter of comparing both holotypes and protologues. But I am quessing now.

Do remember that plants can even be described from a leaf. Or just the flower. Reconstructing nomenclatural history of name is fun but very time consuming. Any volunteers for this one?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 12, 2011, 07:32:38 PM
By chance I took these photos in my garden in the middle of June.  I was sold the bulb as Lilium primulinum ochraceum and think this is correct.  It is hardy and long lived.  Does this help you with your discussion?

Do you know if the bulbs are white or purple? It looks an awful lot like L. ciliatum...
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on July 12, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
yes, my first thought also...liz lily shows a vigorous + wonderful ciliatum, enviable 8)

here some flower bud fotos of my poilanei...i got 8 bulbs of different size. the thin stems show 1 flower bud, the thicker ones 2 up to 6 flower buds. here 3 fotos each with 2 buds (foto 1+2 the same plant), last one with 6 buds. no doubt that this lily has an inflorescence of the raceme type. but young plants with only 2 buds can show both...umbel or raceme type. and this might be a phenomen of some other asiatic lilies.

@arisaema

can you show a foto of the L. duchartrei with 6 flowers/buds in a raceme? here my duchartrei (last year)...4 flowers umbel like. maybe insufficient flowers for a raceme. ;D
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Liz Mills on July 13, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
Many thanks you guys for putting me right.  I've now googled L ciliatum and this is definitely the plant I have - it solves the problem of the leaves and the green anthers which didn't match the description of L primulinum ochraceum in 'Lilies of the World' by Woodcock & Stearn (1950) which I use as my main reference book.  Interestingly they do not list Lilium ciliatum at all - has the name changed?  Also, Pascal, my plant has so far set no seed but as your interest is in Himalayan lilies I assume that seed from L ciliatum would not be of interest in any case.

This book also describes Lilium primulinum var primulinum as follows:
'Although this is the nomenclatural type of the species, it is really a form of var burmanicum  in which the purple marking of the throat has been lost.  It has self-coloured, unblotched flowers of primrose yellow with green filaments and was first imported from the Shan States of Upper Burma about 1890.'

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 13, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
Also, Pascal, my plant has so far set no seed but as your interest is in Himalayan lilies I assume that seed from L ciliatum would not be of interest in any case.


True. But I was not asking it specifically for myself. In general I think growers should put a lot more effort into propagating rare plants as ex situ conservation becomes more and more important, rare plants should not be imprisoned in collections. Seeing people mis-using newly imported rare plants for instance for hybridisation first always makes me a bit disappointed. There is nothing wrong with hybrids as long as the true species is firmly established into cultivation too but often that is not the case so a "pollen-exchange" section on the forum might not be a bad idea?. As I have no interest in non-Asian plants I didn't recognise it as ciliatum but as far as I can tell, it is quite a rarity and not at all common in the wild anymore.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on July 13, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
Here are three blooming this week.  Kushi Maya is particularly interesting being an L. nepalense hybrid

Kushi Maya
Big Brother
Conca d'Or
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 13, 2011, 12:38:00 PM
There is something funny with the picture of primulinum in Curtis.
All lilium I have looked at for this feature, have two bracts. In an umbel of three flowers they form a whorl of six leaves. In an umbel of four there are eight leaves. In the whorl from four and upwards the count may be different with abortive bracts. If there is only one, terminal, flower this does not always apply - probably since there is no true pedicel.
Some liliums have branched pedicels. Lancifolium and speciosum are good examples. In those cases there is only one bract where the main pedicel goes out from the stem and the other bract sits where the secondary pedicel branches off. Sometimes there is no secondary pedicel but the second bract sits where it would have been.
The illustration shows four bracts where the pedicels branch out just as expected but there are tertiary bracts on the pedicels.
Cardiocrinum and Notholirion have only one bract. Nomocharis have two but terminal flowers may be deficient umbels with bracts for more flowers than acually present.
I do not grow sufficient numbers of Fritillaria to have an opinion on the number of bracts there.

I agree that the shape of the inflorecense should be a better criterion than tepal colour - especially since som many Lilium have forms with aberrant colour. Usually brick red turned into yellow.
However, duchartrei and lankongese seem to have all combinations of umbel/raceme and white/pink.

I agree very much with Pascal.

Göte
 
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 13, 2011, 01:07:50 PM
Not mine, but I came across a few pictures of a stunning form of what must be L. sempervivoideum, and figured they might be of interest:

http://www.cfh.ac.cn/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=1fca649f-c71d-4c04-9023-9226651e62b0
http://www.cfh.ac.cn/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=9ee0bd25-44cc-410a-b61d-2d89bc8d4ead
http://www.cfh.ac.cn/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=8b249a2d-a11a-4e30-b53b-bcd86bd27cad
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Liz Mills on July 13, 2011, 04:35:44 PM
Some members of the RHS Lily Group are trying to get a Pollen Exchange off the ground.  They also run a good Seed Exchange.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 14, 2011, 10:37:37 PM
Interesting nepalense hybred Jamie, and lots of wonderfull species, but a rather more common lilly at work last week, it has probably been growing effectively wild in this garden for 50 years or more
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on July 15, 2011, 12:51:59 PM

Kushi Maya is a very nice  nepalense hybrid Jaimie  :o
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on July 15, 2011, 09:00:01 PM
A few flowers on the 1.75m high L. grayi thanks to the incredibly grey and wet last few months.  Brian, note how my flowers are orangish in the centre whilst yours are a lovely solid red.

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 20, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
Lilium sargentiae is flowering earlier this year than last year so hopefully I can get the seedpods to mature before the first frost. The ones I grow as the related sulphureum are just showing their buds and almost 2 meters tall now, much taller than last year. Both produce an abundance of green stem bulbils that had no problems getting through the winter, this years harvest will be donated to the seedex as I have them popping up all over the place, a simple gust of wind is all that is needed for that....
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on July 20, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
A few flowers on the 1.75m high L. grayi thanks to the incredibly grey and wet last few months.  Brian, note how my flowers are orangish in the centre whilst yours are a lovely solid red.

johnw

I think I was very lucky John, they came from the same supplier I assume?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on July 20, 2011, 10:20:27 PM
A few flowers on the 1.75m high L. grayi thanks to the incredibly grey and wet last few months.  Brian, note how my flowers are orangish in the centre whilst yours are a lovely solid red.

johnw

I think I was very lucky John, they came from the same supplier I assume?

Lucky indeed as there were from the same supplier.

Just back from outer suburbia where it was 32c looking at magnolias in the blazing sun, 25c here near the ocean and glad to be back.

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Lvandelft on July 21, 2011, 09:52:46 PM
Two from the local Supermarket.? :)
Michael, the production of these pot lilies (Asiatics) is booming and there seem to be several good garden plants among them.
I believe that the names of your plants probably are:
Lilium Tiny Orange Sensation for pic. 28 and Lilium Tiny Sensation for pic. 29

Here the link to the (wholesale) supplier with the pictures:
http://www.zaboplant.nl/en/lily/plants.html (http://www.zaboplant.nl/en/lily/plants.html)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 21, 2011, 10:07:51 PM
Thanks Luit.

Cheers
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Hans J on July 24, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
Good news from me  :)

Today I have collect ripe fruits and seeds from my L.pyrenaicum yellow and red :

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7193.msg201944#msg201944

If anybody is interestet for swap or payment of the shipping costs so please send me a PM

Hans
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 24, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Today in flower
one of the unnamed species from Chen Yi
Needed an 150 cm long bamboo as support
otherwise all the flowers would be on the ground

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on July 24, 2011, 06:25:28 PM
Today in flower
one of the unnamed species from Chen Yi
Needed an 150 cm long bamboo as support
otherwise all the flowers would be on the ground

Roland


Roland  - Looks like the cw sargentiae we have here.  You may need a taller cane next year!

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 24, 2011, 06:40:50 PM
Has L. sargentiae bulblets ??
I bought two times L. sargentiae from her
both times there where completely other lilies in the parcel

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ArnoldT on July 24, 2011, 07:02:48 PM
Roland:

Stem bulbils beneath the leaves?

Surely either L. sulpherum or L. sargentiae
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ArnoldT on July 24, 2011, 07:06:31 PM
If the base of the filaments are hairy it is L. sargentiae
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on July 24, 2011, 07:38:35 PM
Forgive me... I think Roland's last picture of the leaves and bulbils may be upside down.... here is the image turned around... I think the leaves look to be growing in a more correct manner ????
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 24, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
Maggie this is the correct way
the flower-stem was hanging down
the bulbils are all over the flower-stem
like lilium tigrinum
just much smaller

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 24, 2011, 09:08:53 PM
Arnold

Here the close up
It looks like L.sargentiae
If yes I am happy

This one came in flower in a 11cm pot
I just forgot to replant
I kept it separate because the bulb looked different

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ArnoldT on July 25, 2011, 01:10:57 AM
Roland:

Looks hairy to me.

How's the scent in the evening?

I had it from Chen Yi but it lasted five years and then disappeared.  I'm still growing some stem bulbils from it.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 25, 2011, 09:28:11 AM
A couple of lilies in flower today

Lilium auratum

Lilium chalcedonicum , particularly pleased with it as it has produced four flowers this year as opposed to one in previous seasons. A second bulb has done the same.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 25, 2011, 09:53:37 AM
I will pollinate it
and hopefully it's not self-sterile
good for here and the BX

I will hold my nose tonight under the flower
does sargentiae have a special perfume ??

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ArnoldT on July 25, 2011, 11:13:26 AM
I've found it heavy scented at night.  Somewhat stronger than L. leucanthum
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on July 25, 2011, 11:12:19 PM
Some lilies from me

Asiatic 'Marseille'
Aurelian 'Lady Alice'
Regale giganteum
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on July 25, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Asiatic 'Landini'
LA unknown
Asiatic 'Pink Giant'
Asiatic 'King Pete'
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on July 26, 2011, 07:26:30 PM
Zhirair, what a delightful selection of lilies, looking very healthy  indeed.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: jshields on July 26, 2011, 08:45:02 PM
I am overwhelmed with Lily Envy!  All I manage to keep alive here are a couple henryi and one 'Black Dragon'.   It's pretty pathetic.  Even the wild Lilium michiganensis that I discovered in the park behind the school next door failed to set seed pods.  If it comes back next year, I'll play pollinator myself for it.

Jim
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 26, 2011, 08:52:13 PM
Yes Arnold

it is perfumed too
good place next from the terrace :)

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on July 28, 2011, 08:00:22 PM
What the heck is this? It doesn't key as, well, anything... :P It's slightly fragrant, a bit like the roots of Asarum caudatum.

Chinese; lanceolate foliage (25-40 mm x 7-10 mm); nectaries green, not papillose; tepals revolute, 40 mm long, 11 mm wide, green with purple-brown spots and shading; ovary about 15mm; style 27mm; filaments about 30mm; anthers orange, 9mm.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 28, 2011, 09:35:24 PM
Shape reminds me of L. xanthellum. But that one is yellow so probably can't be it, pretty plant though.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Guff on July 29, 2011, 02:24:47 AM
First lily grown from seed to flower.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 29, 2011, 04:35:02 AM
Very nice, Guff.
was it a L. speciosum variety or a hybrid?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: gote on July 29, 2011, 05:41:48 AM
What the heck is this? It doesn't key as, well, anything... :P It's slightly fragrant, a bit like the roots of Asarum caudatum.

Chinese; lanceolate foliage (25-40 mm x 7-10 mm); nectaries green, not papillose; tepals revolute, 40 mm long, 11 mm wide, green with purple-brown spots and shading; ovary about 15mm; style 27mm; filaments about 30mm; anthers orange, 9mm.
I assume you have tried FOC. Do you have the book about chinese lilies?
It looks to me as something close to the primulinum/ochraceum/nepalense complex.
It MIGHT be an undescribed species, If so you have the chance.
Göte
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Rick R. on July 29, 2011, 07:17:54 AM
What the heck is this?

Very nice, indeed!

Take a look at the Lilium primulinum listing here:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumAsiaticSectionFour
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on July 29, 2011, 10:03:39 AM
Guff,

I take it that that is a hybrid seedling.  Very beautiful!  Any idea as to the parentage?  I have still to bloom my own seedlings, but I'm getting there. I only hope I get something half as attractive.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 29, 2011, 06:50:24 PM
Zhirair,
Is Lady Alice a hybred of L henryi? I have a lilly about 2 meters high in flower which I bought as "white henryi" but it looks like your Lady Alice.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Boyed on July 29, 2011, 07:04:40 PM
Zhirair,
Is Lady Alice a hybred of L henryi? I have a lilly about 2 meters high in flower which I bought as "white henryi" but it looks like your Lady Alice.

Peter,
Yes, it is a hybrid of l. henri with l. regale.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 29, 2011, 07:28:54 PM
Thankyou Zhirair,
that explains it's height then too.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on July 29, 2011, 10:35:51 PM
Flower of the second plant of the N Vietnam Lilium, much more pronounced spotting in the throat than the first plant I posted pictures of. If the spotting would extend into the petals you probably end up with the mystery Lilium from Bjornar.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Guff on July 30, 2011, 01:05:34 AM
Thanks, it's an Oriental Lily seedling.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Gene Mirro on July 30, 2011, 04:00:33 AM
I am overwhelmed with Lily Envy!  All I manage to keep alive here are a couple henryi and one 'Black Dragon'.   It's pretty pathetic.  Even the wild Lilium michiganensis that I discovered in the park behind the school next door failed to set seed pods.  If it comes back next year, I'll play pollinator myself for it.

Jim

Jim, that's typical behavior for L. michiganense, even if you hand-pollinate it.  I don't know the reason.  Do your plants get a lot of sun?  I believe michiganense needs a lot of sun.  But I don't know if that's related to the pollination issue.  I'm beginning to think that a lot of native plant stands are getting badly inbred, because of isolation due to long distances between stands.  Maybe you should try getting some seeds or bulbs from another location, or at least some pollen.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Gene Mirro on July 30, 2011, 04:07:50 AM
What the heck is this? It doesn't key as, well, anything... :P It's slightly fragrant, a bit like the roots of Asarum caudatum.

Chinese; lanceolate foliage (25-40 mm x 7-10 mm); nectaries green, not papillose; tepals revolute, 40 mm long, 11 mm wide, green with purple-brown spots and shading; ovary about 15mm; style 27mm; filaments about 30mm; anthers orange, 9mm.

It has nepalense-like foliage.  I think it's a nepalense hybrid, maybe with wardi or cernuum, if those crosses are possible.  There is massive variation in the species in the wild.  And in the collector's garden, anything can happen.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Gene Mirro on July 30, 2011, 04:16:17 AM
Today in flower
one of the unnamed species from Chen Yi
Needed an 150 cm long bamboo as support
otherwise all the flowers would be on the ground

Roland


Your third photo shows bulbils, so it might be sargentiae, but sargentiae usually has a greenish tint to the flowers.  It might be one of the many forms of sulphureum.  I have at least six different kinds of sulphureum.  I have no idea if that many exist in nature.  Sulphureum will often get much taller than sargentiae, and will bloom later, and often will not produce seeds.  If you grow sulphureum in full sun, it will be strong enough to support itself.  Both sargentiae and sulphureum can tolerate very warm growing conditions.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: yijiawang on July 31, 2011, 05:06:22 AM
Lilium sp. from China
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 31, 2011, 06:43:24 AM
Very nice pictures yijia

Is this where you live
or where you on holiday
what is the white spot on the last picture ?

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: yijiawang on July 31, 2011, 08:14:56 AM
Very nice pictures yijia

Is this where you live
or where you on holiday
what is the white spot on the last picture ?

Roland

Hello Roland, I live in N.China, these pictures were taken in my holiday, trip to S.E.China. the white spot is ice.
This species is similar to Lilium paradoxum http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/paradoxum.htm
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: bulborum on July 31, 2011, 09:11:16 AM
The Lilium paradoxum is also a beauty
what a colour
Just keep posting such beauties
I love them

Roland
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 31, 2011, 09:24:30 AM
lovely pictures Yijia and a very beautiful lilly.
Also an interesting link to alilly group? with a seed exchange?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on July 31, 2011, 10:14:02 AM
I can only agree with everybody here Yijia,beautiful pictures..the yellow lily is incredible do you not have a name for the sp.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 31, 2011, 01:24:29 PM
Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my

Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: yijiawang on July 31, 2011, 06:10:59 PM
Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my

Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar

Hello Tony,
  So beautiful poilanei, this species petal and leaves are thick, maybe long flower term? The purple spotted are variable, even some flower without spotted, pure green.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 31, 2011, 07:59:17 PM
Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my

Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar

Hello Tony,
  So beautiful poilanei, this species petal and leaves are thick, maybe long flower term? The purple spotted are variable, even some flower without spotted, pure green.

Hi Yija it is very similar to one of the ones you have shown on the 'genus lilium 'website which is pleasing.

When I received the two bulbs I took of scales and have raised a couple of bulbils from each of  them to increase my numbers but I will cross pollinate them when the second flowers and raise some from seed to get some variation. It is so much more elegant than L. nepalense and as you say it has very nice leaves as well as the flowers.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: yijiawang on August 01, 2011, 03:49:30 AM
Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my

Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar

Hello Tony,
  So beautiful poilanei, this species petal and leaves are thick, maybe long flower term? The purple spotted are variable, even some flower without spotted, pure green.

Hi Yija it is very similar to one of the ones you have shown on the 'genus lilium 'website which is pleasing.

When I received the two bulbs I took of scales and have raised a couple of bulbils from each of  them to increase my numbers but I will cross pollinate them when the second flowers and raise some from seed to get some variation. It is so much more elegant than L. nepalense and as you say it has very nice leaves as well as the flowers.

Hello Tony, yes your lily from same source with those pictures.
PS: I found one small lily in same situ(with th yellow one), could you please identify it?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: yijiawang on August 01, 2011, 06:07:28 AM
lovely pictures Yijia and a very beautiful lilly.
Also an interesting link to alilly group? with a seed exchange?
Of course, please link me to the group, thanks!
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ichristie on August 02, 2011, 08:40:36 AM
Hi, thanks for the wonderful Lilium pictures and the yellow one is a dream, I have Lilum nepalensis flowering just now the bulbs are in pots but have been outside, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: jshields on August 02, 2011, 01:32:54 PM
Ian,

Very pretty!

Jim
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: ArnoldT on August 02, 2011, 03:05:54 PM
Lilium rosthornii
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Wim de Goede on August 07, 2011, 02:56:42 PM
Hi all,

Our stok of L lankongense in bloom
1  stok
2  close

Wim
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Regelian on August 07, 2011, 04:12:18 PM
Just beautiful!  Are they seedlings or all the same clone?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Wim de Goede on August 08, 2011, 06:49:43 PM
No Jamie they are all the same clone

wim
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on August 10, 2011, 06:48:01 PM
For the first time I got flower in L. speciosum var. clivorum. I have looked for description of that variety but can not fine it. I have looked in my books and on the Internet. On the Internet I can fine several pictures but no description tell what do clivorum to a variety.

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on August 10, 2011, 07:24:41 PM
It seems to be a standard Lilium speciosum and very lovely too. The clivorum  addition looks as though it is another of the quite pointless names added as a var. in 1881.  (Lilium speciosum var. clivorum S. Abe & Tamura, 1981) This seems to happen to many plants in all families.

Here is my second plant of Lilium poilanei in flower now
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on August 10, 2011, 07:28:31 PM
Very nice species Tony  ;)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on August 10, 2011, 08:17:32 PM
My goodness, my pleasure at seeing these lily pictures shows just how much I missed a day of Forum photos! Such photogenic flowers, so elegant.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: greenspan on August 11, 2011, 03:40:44 PM
3 of 8 stems of my Lilium poilanei start flowering. all 8 stems produce buds. there is one poilanei flower with nearly no markins inside the flower. if you compare this flower with Lilium primulinum var. burmanicum on the-genus-lilium.com-website (http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/images/Lilium/primulinum1.jpg) it shows that L. poilanei is a very close related species to primulinum to my mind.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: fleurbleue on August 11, 2011, 03:59:31 PM
New for me, this Lilium poilanei is really amazing  :D
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on August 16, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
Lilium auratum growing up through a rhododendron. it has survived several cold winters there. it is not as pristine as growing it inside.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on August 18, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
A friend just sent me these shots of a Lilium we gave her at a plant sale.  She says it is over 8 feet tall. I immediately assumed it was L. henryi as that one is in flower here now, on inspection it appears not to be furthermore hers does not appear to be a scrambler.  Her garden can be a week or two later than ours.  As best as I recall the only ones we had at the sale were henryi, formosanum, bulbiferum canadense, pardalinum, nepalense and michiganense. Could it be pardalinum?  I don't however recall the green centre?

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Afloden on August 18, 2011, 11:24:14 PM
John, that looks a lot like Lilium superbum, but may be a pardalinum hybrid.
 
 I personally would consider L. speciosum clivorum a good variety rather than just another variant. It has phenology on its side and I have yet to get pollen from it to be accepted on my typical speciosum. Type description below. Also L. gloriosoides really should be a good species. It is native to the Lushan Mts of Guangxi (China) and is highly disjunct from Japan, but the Taiwan material is better placed near the Japanese plants. Not sure if molecular work would support this since I know Taiwan has a history of both Sino-Himalayan and Sino-Japanese phtyogeographic patterns let alone the many tropical elements of its flora..


II. Lillium speciosum var. clivorum S. Abe et Tamura var, nov.
'L . speciosum var. gloriosoides Baker' Grove in New F1. Silva, III, Fig. VII
(1930).-' L, speciosum punctatum ', Wallace in Roy. Hort. Soc. Lily Yearbook, IV, 126
(1935).
Bulb flattened globose, scales rather loosely imbricated, 4-6 cm. long, 1.3--2 cm.
wide, lanceolate, acuminate. Stem rather slender, 0.9-1.3 m, long, tending from suberect
to sub-pendulous, usually nodding at the top. Leaves tending to 1/2--phyllotaxis,
subnutant, broad-lanceolate to elliptic-ovate, slightly larger than the type, 12-20 cm.
long, 4-6 cm. wide, 0.2-0.3 mm. thick, attenuate, rather dark green (31"m.), strongly
impressed along nerves, wavy in the margin. Flowers more lightly colored than
the type, faded or margined, sometimes blotched, pendulous ; blossoms 2-3 weeks
earlier than the type ; pedicel rather slender, 11--14 cm, long, 0.25-0.3 cm. diameter ;
perianth-segments much reflexed, much wavy ; stigma subcapitately truncate.
Plant growing in Nagasaki is similar to the plant from Shikoku, but differs in
the following characteristics.
Bulb globose, but slightly flattened ; scales broad-lanceolate ; stem 0.6 to 1 m.
long, tending to sub-erect ; leaves moderate green (31 m). Blossoms 2-3 weeks ear324
植物学雑誌第69巻第817-818号昭和31年7-8月
her than the type variety, but later than the plant from Shikoku ; pedicels rather
rigid, 8-11 cm. long, 0.3--0.4 cm, in diameter.
Folia : phyllotaxis plerumque 1/2, nutantiuscula late lanceolata vel ovate-elliptica,
apice gradatim attenuata, nervis valde impresses, margine repanda. Flores ; stigmate
subcapitao-truncata, patet praecocciore quam typo.
Nom Jap.: Taki-Yuri (nom. vernacul. in Shikoku. Etymologia Taki-cautes, Yuri--
Lilium).

Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: johnw on August 19, 2011, 12:09:07 AM
Aaaron - Thanks so much. I think you've hit the nail on the head.

We grow pardalinum but it never flowers as the bed get rather dry at times from tree roots.  L. vollmeri flowered for awhile in another bed though and it never got much taller than a meter and always looked squinny. So it made not much sense that our friend would have a pardalinum in a very cold garden and so tall too, her beds are very sandy, mind you we have had a summer of torrential rains.  L. superbum certainly makes more sense. Now we must figure out how it got into our lily collection and did a Vancouver friend send it as pardalinum #2 years ago.   

I was in the Annapolis Valley today at 28c.  24c on the coast which is warm for here.  It is going to 13/14c at night. Definitely a change in the air and light and feeling a bit autumnal.

johnw
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on August 22, 2011, 07:02:36 PM
Lilium sulphureum which this year reaches nearly 2 meters tall for the tallest (just as my glasshouse). One was slightly pinkish, the tallestonly white and yellow. The odd thing is that the buds before they open already produces some sweet fluid which attracts all sort of insects including the wasp on the last picture.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: art600 on August 25, 2011, 06:28:39 PM
Does Lilium nepalense have bulbils in the leaf axils?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Pascal B on August 25, 2011, 06:46:14 PM
Does Lilium nepalense have bulbils in the leaf axils?

No, it produces underground runners to reproduce. L. sulphureum and sargentiae are 2 species that do produce bulbils in the leaf axils but nepalense definitely not.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on August 30, 2011, 04:30:38 PM
My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte

Definitely N. aperta, this particular form is formerly known as N. forrestii.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on August 30, 2011, 06:56:58 PM
My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte

Definitely N. aperta, this particular form is formerly known as N. forrestii.

Thank you both for the identification,as usual the differences seem barely discernable. I have crossed it with the second one and also with the aperta from Giles and both have produced a lot of seed.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 10, 2011, 03:12:56 PM
Lilium ex Supermarket  :)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: mark smyth on September 12, 2011, 05:58:02 PM
Where you all buy the colour forms of L. martagon?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: arisaema on September 12, 2011, 06:01:34 PM
H.W.Hyde has plenty, also The Lily Nook in Canada.

http://www.hwhyde.co.uk/lilies/martagons/
http://www.lilynook.mb.ca/martagon.html
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: mark smyth on September 12, 2011, 06:07:09 PM
 :o :o :o Oh, no. I shouldnt have asked and I shouldnt have looked

Thanks for showing me a web site I dont know
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Ulla Hansson on September 12, 2011, 06:33:55 PM
Mark, here is a site with beautiful Martagon lilies.
 http://www.lilijas.info/
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: art600 on September 29, 2011, 05:14:06 PM
Normally if I want info on a lily I google it.

In the case of Lilium davoricum - nothing.

Can anyone give me some detail - height, type of soil etc.

I have a pot of 'seedlings' that look good for the garden.

Thanks
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on September 29, 2011, 05:23:24 PM
Arthur

if you just google ' davoricum' you will get some results but they do not help much
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on September 29, 2011, 07:07:20 PM
Normally if I want info on a lily I google it.

In the case of Lilium davoricum - nothing.  Thanks 

Try spelling it Lilium dauricum - you will find plenty of links.  It used to be called L maculatum dauricum but it is now called Lilium pensylvanicum so you will also find info under that name. 

PBS link is here:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumDauricumSection (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumDauricumSection)

and another useful link from The genus Lilium site is here
http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/dauricum.htm (http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/dauricum.htm)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on September 29, 2011, 07:21:14 PM
Diane

I thoughtat first of that but Lilium davoricum appears as a species in google in Flora Altaica
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on September 29, 2011, 07:28:38 PM
Diane

I thought at first of that but Lilium davoricum appears as a species in google in Flora Altaica

 Yes, it does, but that and any other reference to davoricum that I can find is dating from 1800 and something  and cannot be followed up.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: PeterT on September 29, 2011, 07:51:13 PM
L davidii could be another interpretation if there has been a mis spelling. I might write "davoricum" if I was sowing davidii and thinking of another species as well - such as dauricum, could that happen for you Arthur?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Diane Clement on September 29, 2011, 08:53:24 PM
Sorry, I realised my first reply was rather in haste and not clear.  It has been spelled as Lilium dauricum, L davuricum, L dahuricum by various authors (and L maculatum dauricum) and these are all old names for what is now (unfortunately) named L pensylvanicum - because that was its original name by Gawler in 1805 who mistakenly thought it was a North American species.  When he realised his mistake, he corrected it in 1809 to L dauricum, but priority now means it is back to its originally published name.
 
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-279888 (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-279888)
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on September 30, 2011, 04:56:23 PM
A picture of some Lilium distichum scales Martin Baxendale sent me on the 18th August potted up today.

All ten have produced a small bulb in six weeks in the airing cupboard.I hope this encourages others to swap some of the rarer lilies as it is an easy way of propagating them and does not damage the parent bulb.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: tonyg on September 30, 2011, 10:09:51 PM
A picture of some Lilium distichum scales Martin Baxendale sent me on the 18th August potted up today.

All ten have produced a small bulb in six weeks in the airing cupboard.I hope this encourages others to swap some of the rarer lilies as it is an easy way of propagating them and does not damage the parent bulb.
Very impressed - all I need now are some rarer lillies to swap :P  I'll give it a try with what I've got though, is it too late to do it now?
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Martin Baxendale on September 30, 2011, 10:43:20 PM
A picture of some Lilium distichum scales Martin Baxendale sent me on the 18th August potted up today.

All ten have produced a small bulb in six weeks in the airing cupboard.I hope this encourages others to swap some of the rarer lilies as it is an easy way of propagating them and does not damage the parent bulb.
Very impressed - all I need now are some rarer lillies to swap :P  I'll give it a try with what I've got though, is it too late to do it now?

No, plenty of time, Tony.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Stephen Vella on December 21, 2011, 11:03:53 PM
Let me know if you think this maybe showing virus in Lilium 'Queens Promise'? Its a orient pet and very vigorous.Its suppose to have a uniform pink colour throughout the petals and did so last year. Its planted next to L 'Trumphator' which I suspect carried the virus, the plant looked weak and did not flower. I contacted the grower and he seems to think its not likely to be a virus, as he doesnt have virus on his property and I dont have any tigrinum that may carry virus. This is a new garden with new Liliums bought from the same grower.

He suggested to isolate it and feed it with a nitrophosca and the symptoms will not show up the next year. I dont have any hopes..what do you think?

cheers
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on December 22, 2011, 10:38:18 PM
I think I would be throwing that away
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Janis Ruksans on December 23, 2011, 05:50:46 AM
Let me know if you think this maybe showing virus in Lilium 'Queens Promise'? Its a orient pet and very vigorous.Its suppose to have a uniform pink colour throughout the petals and did so last year. Its planted next to L 'Trumphator' which I suspect carried the virus, the plant looked weak and did not flower. I contacted the grower and he seems to think its not likely to be a virus, as he doesnt have virus on his property and I dont have any tigrinum that may carry virus. This is a new garden with new Liliums bought from the same grower.

He suggested to isolate it and feed it with a nitrophosca and the symptoms will not show up the next year. I dont have any hopes..what do you think?

cheers

Without doubt - 100% virus!
Janis
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: partisangardener on December 23, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
Virus
But did anyone try to heat scales from a virused lily in hot water 60 C° for 15 minutes. This works with paeonies and might be a chance for this problem. 
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: partisangardener on December 24, 2011, 12:14:08 AM
For the long nights
I found this year a place where L. martagon was very common. Even some white flowers. Never saw a lily-place more exiting in all my life.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: partisangardener on December 24, 2011, 12:16:05 AM
I played bee but alas all marked plants were eaten by deer.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: Gerdk on December 24, 2011, 10:27:15 AM
Axel,
Extraordinary plants, extraordinary place, extraordinary pics! Thanks for sharing with us!

Gerd
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: partisangardener on December 24, 2011, 11:00:54 AM
One third didn't make it to blooming because of the grazing from the roe deer. Does anybody know a way to prevent this.
I would like to see all the variations blooming there one day.
There were very few lilybeetle (but very big ones too, I have never seen this size before) and a little lilyfly.
Maybe the grazing cut their number down too.
Title: Re: Lilium 2011
Post by: floricole on January 07, 2012, 12:53:02 AM
One third didn't make it to blooming because of the grazing from the roe deer. Does anybody know a way to prevent this.
I would like to see all the variations blooming there one day.
There were very few lilybeetle (but very big ones too, I have never seen this size before) and a little lilyfly.
Maybe the grazing cut their number down too.

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for my part, here in Quebec, I have wild canada lily and the deer find them very tasty. I put coyote urine near the lily and I try to go twice a week near the colony with my dog. It work at least for now but they are still present on my land.

Here is a canada lily (var immaculatum) photo credits: Ron Moodycliffe
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