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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Pascal B on April 28, 2011, 04:11:30 PM
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Couldn't find a thread already but due to the plants being in the greenhouse they probably flower earlier than outside so I might as well start the Lilium 2011 thread with Lilium mackliniae. Coming from Cox it was supposed to be the dark Nagaland form but it seems too pale for that so I have to hope the seeds send by Liz Mills will eventually make me see the real thing.....
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Pascal, I would think that that lily outside would be darker. It is likely to be rather bleached by being grown under glass.
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You mean because of the warmer temps? It is grown in between my Asarum and that is a heavy shaded part of the glasshouse.
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Rhododendrons, lilies, maybe even most garden plants that are grown or opened under glass have a tendency to bleached flowers. Higher temps. less light, all add up to paler flowers.
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Many plants with red flowers, in tropical or subtropical settings, tend to fade out to rose or orange colors when grown in lower light levels. The red colors, due to anthocyanins, do not develop so strongly in low light levels as they do in higher light levels. This is due to the relation of red anthocyanin pigment formation to protection from high light and especially high UV levels.
Jim
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Ok, I was unfamiliar with that effect, I was expecting the inside of the flowers to be as dark as the outside. Will ask Anne Chambers if hers are darker as she has from the same batch and grows outside.
The temperate Arisaema I grow under glass don't really seem to be bothered with this effect luckily and neither do the Asarum. Would this also cause bleaching out in between the veins of Lilium leaves? I can't really asses whether I have imported some with virus or not.... :-\ Will try to make a picture of such leaves tomorrow.
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Rhododendrons, lilies, maybe even most garden plants that are grown or opened under glass have a tendency to bleached flowers. Higher temps. less light, all add up to paler flowers.
Absolutely right Maggi. We grow some regular L. macklinae in the greenhouse and they are faintly pink quickly aging to white. Pascal's will be sensational outdoors you can be sure. Our gereenhouse temperatures are very cool so you can almost rule that out as a factor.
johnw
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I hope Maggi agrees Nomocharis are more or less part of Lilium so I can post it here, the first Nomocharis I had in flower, N. farreri. At least, it is similar to the pictures of this species at the Genus Lilum website but can't be key'ed out with the key in the Flora of China because according to the FoC, N. farreri has no lacerate margins of the inner petals...
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My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
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I was lucky enough to get some virus-free, flowering size bulbs of Lilum rubellum last year straight from Japan and after loosing my seedgrown plants in the past I am glad to have it back and sniff the fragrance again..... :)
Oh, and yes, the pollen is really that vivid orange. I can still see it on my white shirt... :'(
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Lilium oxypetalum var insigne- this one from Susan Band's List and it's a little cracker about 20cm tall. About two weeks earlier than last year.
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Very beautifull David :)
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Thank you Peter, it may set seed, it did last year, if you would like some PM me.
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My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte
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I hope Maggi agrees Nomocharis are more or less part of Lilium so I can post it here, the first Nomocharis I had in flower, N. farreri. At least, it is similar to the pictures of this species at the Genus Lilum website but can't be key'ed out with the key in the Flora of China because according to the FoC, N. farreri has no lacerate margins of the inner petals...
Hello,
I think it fits the description in FoC quite well. At least more like farreri than anything else. One has to take aslight variation in count.
Cheers Göte
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My nomocharis are just emerging.
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Before many years I have received seeds of Lilium pyrenaicum ( yellow and red form ) from a nice friend in England .
The pot with the red form is died after some time ...but the yellow form grows well - so I decide to plant it in the garden ....it seems the location is well for this plant and last year have flowered the first plants ( yellow )
Now in this year I have realized that on this clump of plants is also one with a red flower ...I was really happy ;D ;D ;D
Here are some pics :
Enjoy
Hans
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Well done Hans ;D and you are lucky...
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Thank you Nicole !
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congratulations Hans :)
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thanks Peter ;D
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Lilium oxypetalum insigne
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Great job Hans !!
I love that L. oxypetalum insigne Roma and David !! A little beauty it is !
A bit more robust is my Lilium x martagon "Early Bird".
One flowering stem last year, 3 this year !!! :D :D
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very nice lilies,my martagons are in bud but will be a week or so yet.
Here is a Nomocharis aperta a very nice gift from Giles.
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very nice lilies,my martagons are in bud but will be a week or so yet.
Here is a Nomocharis aperta a very nice gift from Giles.
Lovely little plant! Do you (or Giles) have any collection data for it? It's the form with Lilium-like filaments.
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I am sorry but I have no information but perhaps Giles may post.
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Hi all, thanks for the super pictures very interesting I am posting a few pictures first are some forms of Nomocharis then an odd flower of Lilium oxypetalum Insigne, we have flowered pure white ones before but this is a half way very odd, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Hi again, hope you have not had the fierce gales like we have had 75 miles an hour not a single meconopsis head has survived out in the garden thankfully I saved the big net tunnel where most of the Meconopsis are most are flowering but a bit raggedy. I am posting the first picture of Lilium oxypetalum we have three flower spikes this year and they have been in the garden for around 7 years hope for seed, I am conviced that this is a separate species, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Ian;
It's not the yellow form of Nomocharis aperta, then? See pic below. Re: the blotched L. oxypetalum insigne, I'd be a little worried about virus, the irregular colour is quite typical.
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Lilium sempervivoideum from China
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Hi, I do not have the yellow Nomocharis aperta would like to have it as for the Lilum Oxypetalum insigne if we have a virus then the bulbs and flower look normal in the past we have flowered a pure white form and thought this is a half way hybrid maybe I should bin it??. thanks, Ian the Christie kind.
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I would bin it, the irregular color is very typical (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L56vDsy2_KM/TR3mRTmpJqI/AAAAAAAAAPM/aAFXDZHfKn4/s1600/Tiger%252BLily%252B-%252Bvirus%252B1%252B%252528594%252Bx%252B600%252529.jpg&imgrefurl=http://theplantwhisperer.blogspot.com/2010/12/common-issues-with-oriental-lilies.html&usg=__K1N_txTR_VyerFXhzl9aBTC4wek=&h=600&w=594&sz=74&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Fy42XJR7csbGzM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=130&ei=PPjfTayHOs3oOZeV1YEK&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlily%2Bvirus%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GUEA_enNO332NO332%26biw%3D1020%26bih%3D584%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=120&vpy=66&dur=1390&hovh=226&hovw=223&tx=143&ty=129&page=1&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1020&bih=584) of a viral infection. Should get a few spare yellow Nomocharis next year, just need to be sure they come true from seed.
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liliul martagon album
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2749/m003k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/m003k.jpg/)
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1746/m002k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/m002k.jpg/)
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I like to show you Lily langongensis it is in flower in my greenhouse yet.
Ian I like your Nomocharis very much, a pitty I can not grow them
Wim
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Hi Arisaema will bin it soonest, here is another picture of lilium oxypetalum with the three flowers open will send you some seed if it sets, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Hoping to get my hands on var. rubrum too one day but nevertheless a very nice Lilium, L. bakerianum var. delavayi. I hope I can self it as I only got one flowering....
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Several nice lilies in Peter and Gill Regan's garden in Kent. Lilium martagon cattaniae, a wonderful deep mahogany-red form with glossy petals; L. martagon hybrid, quite a striking plant very different to others in the garden; L. monadelphum, the most glorious Turkish species (I have never been able to grow this well but Gill and Peter are on heavy retentive clay which maintains higher moisture levels into the summer); and a general view of part of the garden with martagons self-sowing freely.
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Tim,
they are all just beautifull. I've tried L. monodelphum, but it never established. Other than moisture retention, what kind of soil is this one growing in? Is it a sandy clay, or truly wet, put-it-on-the-wheel-and-throw-a-pot clay. I have no problem with L. martagon. Maybe I just had bad luck.
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Several nice lilies in Peter and Gill Regan's garden in Kent. Lilium martagon cattaniae, a wonderful deep mahogany-red form with glossy petals; L. martagon hybrid, quite a striking plant very different to others in the garden; L. monadelphum, the most glorious Turkish species (I have never been able to grow this well but Gill and Peter are on heavy retentive clay which maintains higher moisture levels into the summer); and a general view of part of the garden with martagons self-sowing freely.
What a lovely garden..... looks like high summer - We've a few weeks to go before Aberdeen gets that look, if at all. Grey again now after a sunny start.
Tim, I enjoyed your super photos from the super spring garden of the late Rosemary Powis in the website Discussion area...it too looked so inviting in the sunshine with all its colour.
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/inthegarden/Rosemary+Powiss+Garden/553/
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Maggie if i had to pass that front garden on my daily travels i wouldn't get anywhere,simply stunning.
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Many thanks - I am borrowing other people's gardens but that's always nice! Gill and Peter's garden is a pretty heavy clay but has been worked for so many years that it is not too difficult to plant into, except in certain areas. Gill gardens it very naturally, not removing a lot of the growth of perennials as they die down, but allowing them to be incorporated into the soil afresh. There are also quite a lot of stones and flints in the soil and this must help quite a bit with the drainage, if making it painful to put in a fork (they don't own a spade!!).
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A couple of martagons from me. i bought them both from H W Hyde last autumn
Lilium martagon albiflorum
Lilium martagon 'Red Russia'
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Very nice, Tony. I was looking at their website and am very tempted by their martagons, including the two you bought. L. m. albiflorum looks very good. Would you say Red Russian is distinctive enough to be worth having? Looks a bit like cattaniae but with a pale reverse. I'm not saying it doesn't look good in your photo, just wondering what your opinion of it 'in the flesh' is compared to cattaniae.
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Very nice, Tony. I was looking at their website and am very tempted by their martagons, including the two you bought. L. m. albiflorum looks very good. Would you say Red Russian is distinctive enough to be worth having? Looks a bit like cattaniae but with a pale reverse. I'm not saying it doesn't look good in your photo, just wondering what your opinion of it 'in the flesh' is compared to cattaniae.
Martin
a couple of pictures below,sorry they are not great but I think they illustrate the differences. The left flower is what I call cattaniae which is grown from scales I collected in N. Greece some years ago .It is a very dark small flowered plant.
Although it is a very nice plant there is no similarity with Red Russia which is as you can see different in both form and colour. The beauty of the latter is in my view the pale reverse which as the flower does not re-curve as tightly as cattaniae can be seen and makes the flowers appear to glow.
The reason I mentioned where I purchased them is that they came as really fine bulbs.
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Lilum nepalense
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1769/liliumnepalense01.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/liliumnepalense01.jpg/)
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4999/liliumnepalense02.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/liliumnepalense02.jpg/)
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Tony,
beautiful martagons. I've quite a few lilies from Hyde and can only say they are a very good company, imo. I've never been disappointed in quality and everything has grown for me, plus they are a friendly lot.
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Very nice, Tony. I was looking at their website and am very tempted by their martagons, including the two you bought. L. m. albiflorum looks very good. Would you say Red Russian is distinctive enough to be worth having? Looks a bit like cattaniae but with a pale reverse. I'm not saying it doesn't look good in your photo, just wondering what your opinion of it 'in the flesh' is compared to cattaniae.
Martin
a couple of pictures below,sorry they are not great but I think they illustrate the differences. The left flower is what I call cattaniae which is grown from scales I collected in N. Greece some years ago .It is a very dark small flowered plant.
Although it is a very nice plant there is no similarity with Red Russia which is as you can see different in both form and colour. The beauty of the latter is in my view the pale reverse which as the flower does not re-curve as tightly as cattaniae can be seen and makes the flowers appear to glow.
The reason I mentioned where I purchased them is that they came as really fine bulbs.
Tony, thanks for the individual flower pics and your description of the differences. That's very helpful. If the segments don't recurve strongly like cattaniae, and the pale outers remain fully on view, then that (along with the paler centre) will give Red Russian a much different look. Good also to know that they're a good supplier. Just hope I can afford all those that I feel tempted by (probably not :-\)
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Two lilies in flower here this morning.
johnw
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Flowering in my garden today:
Lilium pyrenaicum
Lilium martagon - this form was grown from seed collected on the lower slopes of Mount Vermion by the AGS MESE trip back in 99 and called by the collecting team 'Naoussa Boutari' - looks pretty close to var cattaniae.
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Dave the martagon is very nice and I would say the same as mine from Mt Falakro which is only a short distance away and which I think is var cattaniae. I have not found Lilium martagon on Vermion but grow L. chalcedonicum from there where it grows in some quantity. Seems a little strange to give it a name when it is the standard form across the area.
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Lilium duchartrei and what I believe to be the pink form of bakerianum, a plant I wanted for a long time but apparantly already had...., unless someone tells me it is not... :-\
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/lili-4.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/IMG_7067.jpg)
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I know lilies are naturally photogenic.... but the photos here are especially lovely.... thanks everyone!
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Lily 1 -4, I thought I would ask again this year if anyone has any idea as to the name of this lovely lily.
Various names were suggested last year but none seemed to fit when I read up further on them.
A key feature is the very hairy tips to the buds - petals.
Lilium svovitsianum.
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I would have said a lovely form of Lilium candidum.
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Lily 1 -4, I thought I would ask again this year if anyone has any idea as to the name of this lovely lily.
Various names were suggested last year but none seemed to fit when I read up further on them.
A key feature is the very hairy tips to the buds - petals.
Lilium svovitsianum.
Please send a pic showing all of the plant. I should guess that it is one of the caucasians. Kesselringianum or one of the allies. It seems fairly likely that it is akkusianum which is hairy and has these elongates basal parts of the flowers.
I suggest a visit to http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/main.htm for more info.
Göte.
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two more lilies in flower at the moment
Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae from Mt Falakro in NE Greece
Lilium polyphyllum from seed collected by Margaret and Henry Taylor
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Lilium szovitsianum in my country garden
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two more lilies in flower at the moment
Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae from Mt Falakro in NE Greece
Lilium polyphyllum from seed collected by Margaret and Henry Taylor
Lovely,lovely martagon Tony.
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A nice surprise when we arrived home yesterday, thanks to a kind forumist, Lilium grayi.
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Brian,
Lilium grayi is very elegant! What a shape and colour!
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Lilium grayi is very elegant! What a shape and colour!
Rather stunning, isn't it :o
Many other beauties here too.
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Many thanks Göte. I think you are right about it being Lilium akkusianum. Fits the decription given in the web link you provided.
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A nice solid red grayii there Brian. Mine have a touch of orange which I find a bit strange.
johnw
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Thanks chaps, I was really pleased with the colour John, now have to site it in the garden.
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Lillium is not my strong side, but I succeed with this hydride, which I got from my dads garden where it has been growing for half a century. Can anyone put a name on it?
Poul
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Brian , your beautyful dark red L. grayi is so much nicer than the hybrid between it and canadense growing in my garden .
and Pascal your L . bakerianum is exquisite ! I lily I have not seen before . Does it set seed ?
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Lilium callosum
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/364/liliumcallosum02k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/liliumcallosum02k.jpg/)
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Pascal your L . bakerianum is exquisite ! I lily I have not seen before . Does it set seed ?
Otto, I had only one flower so I selfed it and keep my fingers crossed. The remaining pollen of it and the delavayi form I have send to Tony Willis so he can try pollinating his delavayi plant (which is slightly later than mine). I did not want to cross the yellow-brown with the pink but next year if anyone else has the roseum form too I can send the pollen to that person to see if seeds can be produced to grow it on a larger scale. I was looking for the roseum form of bakerianum but as it turns out it was in a batch of an unflowered import from China from 2 years ago.
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Lillium is not my strong side, but I succeed with this hydride, which I got from my dads garden where it has been growing for half a century. Can anyone put a name on it?
Poul
Hi Poul,
it may be one of the "Mid-Century" hybrids raised by Jan de Graafe in the USA in the 1950s.
cheers
fermi
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Lillium is not my strong side, but I succeed with this hydride, which I got from my dads garden where it has been growing for half a century. Can anyone put a name on it?
Poul
Hi Poul,
it may be one of the "Mid-Century" hybrids raised by Jan de Graafe in the USA in the 1950s.
cheers
fermi
I agree but it is not one I have grown meaning that I can say what it is not. If you remind me privately a few times I might remember to look for it among old catalogs and other literature.
Göte
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Lilium rubescens grown from Ron Ratko seed. Pity he isn't collecting anymore. Hopefully I will be able to collect some seed from this plant.
Susan
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A very nice lilium Susan, hope I'll may order one from your nursery soon... ;)
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Thank you Fermi and Göte!
Poul
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Poul,
Your lily is common in our country too. It is a very old cultivar, indeed, or maybee species. I grow it as lilium dauricum, but I am not sure about correct naming.
Today we went to the country house, my lilium szovitsianum were in full bloom and at its best. I thought I should share more pictures of it.
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Can anybody help me with identification of virus mosaic symptoms on Asiatic lilies?
I am very keen in identifying virus symptoms on oriental and other lilies, which have wide leaves. But I've never seen how virus looks in Asiatic lilies, which have narrow leaves. I grow around 35 lily species and cultivars, taking a special and individual care of them and so far I didn't have problems with virus. I have seen virused oriental lilies in my colleagues garden, who grows lilies for cutting.
Last year I got some Soviet-bred Asiatic lilies from Siberia and one cultivar looks very suspicious. At the beginning it looked .O. K., but later the leavesbecame very strange (darker green spots on general green ground with some yellowish tones). I don't know if it is virus or not. For virus identification, as a rule I observe younger upper leaves, as virus symptoms are better seen on younger leaves. But in this case, it is different: young leaves look O.K., but in a period of time they turn yellowish with darker spots. maybee Luit can help me, showing this pictures to the lily specialists?
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Zhirair,
Wow, the lilium szovitsianum is spectacular. :o I've seen the name before, but I didn't have a mental image of the species at all until now. That is a gorgeous clump!!!!! 8)
Thanks so much for showing us.
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Thank you Fermi and Göte!
Poul
Boyed might be rigt - it might be the form of bulbiferum that does not carry bulbils. (v. croceum) However that one is more yellowish in the orange and has slightly more narrow bases to the tepals. The difference is sligt and the colour difference could be caused by your camera, your software or my screen.
Lilium dauricum is a usually taller more eastern species so unlike bulbiferum it is unlikely to grow wild in Boyed's area.
Cheers
Göte
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Boyed might be rigt - it might be the form of bulbiferum that does not carry bulbils. (v. croceum) However that one is more yellowish in the orange and has slightly more narrow bases to the tepals. The difference is sligt and the colour difference could be caused by your camera, your software or my screen.
Lilium dauricum is a usually taller more eastern species so unlike bulbiferum it is unlikely to grow wild in Boyed's area.
Cheers
Göte
Göte,
This lily doen't grow wild in my area. It is grown in many gardens, where it survived from old times.
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I misunderstood. If dauricum really has found its way into the gardens of your area it would be an interesting fact since the variants of bulbiferum grow wild much closer to you. However, nothing is impossible. Perhaps it came on the silk road a thousand years ago.
Göte
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Dependable every year, L. pardalinum. Like dancing flames in the garden.
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I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...
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Crumbs, Pascal, I cannot confirm ID but what a beautiful flower!
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Maggi, I only have one flowering so I selfed it and hope for the best. Slightly visible is a whitish streak on the outer petals which worries me a bit. Scent is strong and quite overpowering, plants are only 25 cm high, very similar in habit to the L. sempervivoideum I posted earlier, first I thought it was going to flower white but the day before it opened it turned warm pink. I only hope they can cope with the sudden heat here in Holland because if it is amoenum, it should be a "cooler" species.
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Same flower from the outside
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Lilium ariadne
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can I slip this in here for IDing? Right now it's being tortured in a smll pot but this hasnt stopped it producing 6 flower stems. I think it's L. duchartei.
Would it suit a trough or is it better released in to the ground?
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Looks like L. langkongense to me Mark. Not sure about a trough but it should be perfectly happy in the garden but can "run" a bit. Here is one of mine with a bit too much exposure.
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Saw what looks like Lilium michiganense recently for the first time ever. These are growing at the edge of a meadow, under tall trees on a creek bank. I stood just in the meadow (and out of the poison ivy!) to take the pictures. Height about 5 ft. (1.5 or 1.6 meters, probably).
It looks like L. michiganense to me, but I'm no expert on Lilium. I've not seen any wild Lilium around here before in 30 years, so I'm a tad bit suspicious. They ran a sewer line through this area several years ago, so it could have been seeded by someone.
Jim
in Westfield, Indiana
USA
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Thanks Pascal. I will release it this week
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Lilium leucanthum
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just back from our latest walk in the Black Forrest/ Germany ....where we found a population of Lilium martagon on the top of a mountain ( 1200 m altitude ) :
Enjoy
Hans 8)
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Hans,
Wow, that's a beauty. Are they native there, or is it an escapee/planting? I know you say top of a mountain, but I have no idea how much introduced flora there is there?
Pascal,
That single flowered pink species is glorious. Just such a perfect flower. :o
Thanks for posting, everyone.
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Paul ,
thank you !
This plants are native here - I found it also in other areas of Black Forrest - also in the Vosges Mts. and also in the Alps
Hans
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Hans,
It sounds so cool to be able to see Lilium in the wild. I can only imagine how beautiful it would be to some upon something like that in full flower while wandering around on a mountain top. So very far away from here though for a visit. ;D You're very lucky.
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A couple of vacation pics ;)
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:o :o
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A couple of vacation pics ;)
Good grief, Bjørnar, do you know what you're doing to me? :o 8)
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Please don't tell me that second picture shows fields of Lilium souliei?!!! If so, when does the next plane leave.....?
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My goodness Bjørnar, what a treat to see all those in the wild :o :o
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Have to keep Ian away from this thread... he's hyperventilating again.
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Please don't tell me that second picture shows fields of Lilium souliei?!!! If so, when does the next plane leave.....?
Fields of L. souliei, indeed! It was a rather good location, Nomocharis, Megacodon and Cypripedium as roadside weeds on the way up, and hundreds of L. souliei at the top (in addition to Arisaema elephas, Mandragora caulescens, Polygonatum, Lloydia, Notholirion, Fritillaria, Cremanthodium, Primula, Rheum alexandrae etc. etc.).
Yunnan is cheap and easy, and Zhongdian has excellent pizza and Beer Lao, so a trip there is highly recommended :)
More pics coming up, just need to go thru them all (and sleep off the jet lag).
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Have to keep Ian away from this thread... he's hyperventilating again.
Incredible. :o :o :o :o
johnw
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Bjørnar,
that's just stunning....WOW :o :o :o Thanks for sharing!
Pascal, when are you leaving, I'm coming with you ;) ;) ;D
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Me too !!!!!! ;D
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Zihair, it is he same type of virus that was present in Lilium tigrinum,when it was grown by the thousands.
As you know, nowadays is seldom grown as it is the symptomless carrier of all Lilium viruses.
Edit by maggi: Ezeiza refers to this post from June 19th 2011
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7193.msg205371#msg205371
Can anybody help me with identification of virus mosaic symptoms on Asiatic lilies?
I am very keen in identifying virus symptoms on oriental and other lilies, which have wide leaves. But I've never seen how virus looks in Asiatic lilies, which have narrow leaves. I grow around 35 lily species and cultivars, taking a special and individual care of them and so far I didn't have problems with virus. I have seen virused oriental lilies in my colleagues garden, who grows lilies for cutting.
Last year I got some Soviet-bred Asiatic lilies from Siberia and one cultivar looks very suspicious. At the beginning it looked .O. K., but later the leavesbecame very strange (darker green spots on general green ground with some yellowish tones). I don't know if it is virus or not. For virus identification, as a rule I observe younger upper leaves, as virus symptoms are better seen on younger leaves. But in this case, it is different: young leaves look O.K., but in a period of time they turn yellowish with darker spots. maybee Luit can help me, showing this pictures to the lily specialists?
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I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...
in my opinion...yes
here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ;D). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.
the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027752); my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage ;D one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?
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Not seen the brown leaf edge on my plants but the plant looks very similar to yours so great if it is amoenum.... ;D Have you ever tried to pollinate it? Would love this one get established in cultivation on a wider scale. Provided I don't kill it during winter and it will flower again I am willing to exchange pollen with who ever also got it.
And Bjørnar....., not fair.... You said you were going to places that were already pretty explored, you didn't say they would be full of one of my favourite Lilium species..... Souliei really shows how close Frittilaria and Lilium sometimes are and I love that deep red, probably the only red flower I like come to think of it...... :-\
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@pascal
the amoenum flowered not at the same time (the taller one was the first, the smaller one flowered when the first one ended flowering) and i didn't know that i have 2 different amoena (http://in my mind) in my garden ::) so i didn't store the pollen of the first one in a fridge. now i found out, that i got a third lot of amoena...they emerged very late, unfortunately without flowers but with the same brown line at the leaf-margins. i will dig them all out in autumn, because i fear they are not hardy enough here in south germany/z6b.
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Similar to my Lilium sp. that they are not successful to identify
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@pascal
the amoenum flowered not at the same time (the taller one was the first, the smaller one flowered when the first one ended flowering) and i didn't know that i have 2 different amoena (http://in my mind) in my garden ::) so i didn't store the pollen of the first one in a fridge. now i found out, that i got a third lot of amoena...they emerged very late, unfortunately without flowers but with the same brown line at the leaf-margins. i will dig them all out in autumn, because i fear they are not hardy enough here in south germany/z6b.
Before I release anything in the garden I always first want to have an ID and at least some seeds/seedlings/offsets before I take the risk with rare plants. This one, like the L. sempervivoideum I posted earlier, will remain in its pot and overwinter in the frostfree glasshouse. I have selfpollinated both and sempervivoideum has a growing seedpod but the seeds can still turn out to be blanks. I will pm you next year when I have pollen available.
@Alesandro, sure looks very much like it too, very nice flower!
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I have noticed both colours of Lilium taliense but I presumed that I had grown a batch of seedlings. Not sure if any plants had both on the same stalk.
Susan
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can I slip this in here for IDing? Right now it's being tortured in a smll pot but this hasnt stopped it producing 6 flower stems. I think it's L. duchartei.
Would it suit a trough or is it better released in to the ground?
To me it looks more like cernuum with those narrow leaves. Lankongense/duchartreii is usually at least 60cm up to 120cm tall when flowering with more than one flower. Cernuum is less than 60 cm.
Cernuum leaves are less than 5mm wide. Lankongese leaves are more than 5mm wide.
Lankongese and duchartreii are by some considered to be the same species. Lankongense is supposed to be pink with flowers in a raceme wheras duchartreii is white with flowers in umbel (but nodding turkscap) I have seen intermediate forms. Both tend to have stems that go sideways underground for up to half a meter befor emerging.
Anyway: Most forms of all three are completely frost hardy in mid Sweden so I would plant it out as soon as possible.
Cheers
Göte
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Zihair, it is he same type of virus that was present in Lilium tigrinum,when it was grown by the thousands.
As you know, nowadays is seldom grown as it is the symptomless carrier of all Lilium viruses.
Edit by maggi: Ezeiza refers to this post from June 19th 2011
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7193.msg205371#msg205371
Can anybody help me with identification of virus mosaic symptoms on Asiatic lilies?
I am very keen in identifying virus symptoms on oriental and other lilies, which have wide leaves. But I've never seen how virus looks in Asiatic lilies, which have narrow leaves. I grow around 35 lily species and cultivars, taking a special and individual care of them and so far I didn't have problems with virus. I have seen virused oriental lilies in my colleagues garden, who grows lilies for cutting.
Last year I got some Soviet-bred Asiatic lilies from Siberia and one cultivar looks very suspicious. At the beginning it looked .O. K., but later the leavesbecame very strange (darker green spots on general green ground with some yellowish tones). I don't know if it is virus or not. For virus identification, as a rule I observe younger upper leaves, as virus symptoms are better seen on younger leaves. But in this case, it is different: young leaves look O.K., but in a period of time they turn yellowish with darker spots. maybee Luit can help me, showing this pictures to the lily specialists?
Lilium lancifolium (tigrinunm) is also available as diploid form that can be propagated by seed and these should be virus free.
Göte
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I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...
in my opinion...yes
here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ;D). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.
the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027752); my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage ;D one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?
Also in my opinion it is amoenum. A most beautiful lily but difficult to overwinter. It is one of the few i would grow in a pot - at least until I got several to experiment with. It might be OK in Holland but in Mid Sweden it is a loss. I have found that in my climate there are a few species like Lilium amoenum and Cymbidium goeringii that will show no obvious frost damage in the winter but will refuse to start growing in the spring.
The flowers are of different age. is this the reason?
Cheers
Göte
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the last one i got as Lilium xanthellum var. luteum from paul christian. but this is definitely not a xanthellum (xanthellum has narrow leaves, stem ~35-55 cm; look here in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027752); my plant is about 1,2 m). at first i thought it is the so-called "Lilium taliense var. kaichen" ...but look at the last foto...it isn't a fake or collage ;D one stem two kind of flowers...the right flower is a "normal" taliense in my mind. any suggestion?
Today I noticed the same phenomenon on a lijiangense. Flowers open yellow and fade to near white during their span of life.
Göte
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A Lilium from N Vietnam, not sure what species it is, possibly Lilium poilanei but it is different in habit to the plant sold under that name by Crûg Farm. Can anyone show a picture of a flowering Crûg Lilium poilanei to compare?. The Crûg plant is supposed to be quite similar to Lilium nepalense which suggests it might be Lilium majoense and not poilanei.
Scent of this plant is very strong in the evening, the entire glasshouse was filled with it and the reason I noticed the first flower was open. After the second flower opened I left the door open during the night, the smell is very nice but so strong it gave me a headache.
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A lilium that I hope someone can identify. Sorry about the poor picture, I'll try and take a better one, but I suspect that someone here might know what it is from this picture. I have had this twice, the first time it was supposed to be Lilium souilei and the second time it was bought as Lilium amoenum. I'm sure it's neither! It has dangerous looking black stem bulbils and doesn't flower for me (the first time I had it, it went in the bin). I'd be grateful for any help in identification, I'm sure others must have had this plant.
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Pascal;
Isn't L. majoense more Northernly? Our Chinese friend told me she got them from Sichuan...
Diane;
That lily was identified in a lily thread a year or two ago, it's a white trumpet, but I can't remember which one of them. They are usually virused.
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I think this might be Lilium amoenum but I am not sure..... :-\ Any suggestions are welcome...
in my opinion...yes
here some fotos of my Lilium amoenum (different sources...got them as "Lilium species" + "Nomocharis ;D). note the small brown line at the leaf margins when they come up. they loose this sign quite soon after flowering.
Just back from holiday and my two 'Lilium amoenum' (not sure what they are yet) have emerged into growth and both have a reddish brown leaf edge. They will not flower this year.
My lilium from N. Vietnam are still in early bud but if they look like Pascal's I will be pleased. They are supposed to be Lilium poilanei
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Pascal;
Isn't L. majoense more Northernly? Our Chinese friend told me she got them from Sichuan...
Bjornar, this one is not from Chen Yi. Regarding majoense, who knows where it occurs...... As Lilium are used as medicine throughout these areas they might as well be cultivated and escaped. Either this or the Crug plant could also be a new species but of the 2 different collection numbers I bought from Crug none are flowering size yet, one even fell apart into several small ones..., not sure if that makes me happy or not.... :-\
One thing is for sure, they both definitely come from N Vietnam but show a different habit so it doesn't seem they are the same taxon.
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Lilium parryi from California a bulb I purchased last autumn
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Two species lilium blooming today. Certainly easy in the garden. (which is why I manage to grow them)
L. leichtlinii
L. henryi
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Two from the local Supermarket.? :)
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Today I got a pleasant surprise. Below a large Rhododendron I found this little lily. I had forgotten that I had planted it there for a few years ago. I made it from seed I got from RHS Lily Group in 2007. It is a rare American species and the name is Lilium maritimum.
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A couple more lilies in flower,sorry they are not as sharp as I would like.
Both gifts
Lilium michiganense from Kurt Vickery
Lilium canadense from John in Newfoundland
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A lilium that I hope someone can identify. Sorry about the poor picture, I'll try and take a better one, but I suspect that someone here might know what it is from this picture. I have had this twice, the first time it was supposed to be Lilium souilei and the second time it was bought as Lilium amoenum. I'm sure it's neither! It has dangerous looking black stem bulbils and doesn't flower for me (the first time I had it, it went in the bin). I'd be grateful for any help in identification, I'm sure others must have had this plant.
It looks like lancifolium to me. I have also received lancifolium by "mistake" (under the name callosum)
I am aware that many strains of lancifolium are infected and symptomless, however, those I grow seem not to harm any neighbours. Presently I am trying to rise a strain of diploid seedlings in order to be eally sure.
Göte
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Most lilies struggle in our dry summer garden, but we do well with candidum and chalcedonicum. I would also like to try more western US species and humboldtii (grown from seed) has done very well this year, just slightly going over. It has very attractive foliage when it first emerges.
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Most lilies struggle in our dry summer garden, but we do well with candidum and chalcedonicum. I would also like to try more western US species and humboldtii (grown from seed) has done very well this year, just slightly going over. It has very attractive foliage when it first emerges.
Bulbiferum will grow in a dry sunny garden. It naturalizes here in roadbanks and stone walls.
Göte
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@pascal + arisaema
i grow the same Lilium poilanei and i guess they come from the same chinese source ;). every stem shows buds (1 to 5 buds). i guess it will last some weeks, till flowering. i stored the pot outside from beginning may in a shadowy place. i can't remember where, but somewhere in i-net i had read, that this lily doesn't like warmth and won't flower under too warm conditions. this seems to be a wrong information when i see, that pascal stored his lilies under warm greenhouse conditions. has anybody more information about the location, where this lily was found? could it be the Fansipan/Fan Si Pan range in north-vietnam, near the chinese border?
this "poilanei" seems closely related to Lilium primulinum var. burmanicum (http://the-genus-lilium.com/images/Lilium/primulinum1.jpg).
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@pascal + greenspan
It's probably easier just asking the source, but I think he's off doing fieldwork in Tibet. It's from the border area anyway, either around Lao Cai or maybe further west? His L. amoenum come from low altitudes around Hekou.
Greenspan; I'm not sure all the images on The Genus Lilium are to be trusted? Crûgs L. poilanei is yellow and looks very close to some pictures of L. primulinum v. ochraceum...
> Regarding majoense, who knows where it occurs...... As Lilium are used as medicine throughout these areas they might as well be cultivated and escaped.
There's a very limited number of species used for food, and I don't think L. majoense is among them. While Chen Yi's bulbs may be cultivated I strongly suspect they infact do originate from Sichuan. Do you have access to the original description?
@Gøte + Diane
Here's the thread with CYs "souliei" in flower: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4158.0
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yes i noticed the same, that some of the fotos in markus website-project "the-genus-lilium.com" seem to be wrong labelled. do you think the fotos of lilium primulinum are wrong on the-genus-lilium-site? i think, that the Lilium poilanei in the form of pascals lily seems to be very close related to Lilium primulinum. isn't it obvious?
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As many Asian Lilium are quite hard to identify no doubt some of the pictures on the Lilium.com site might not be under the correct species. What also often happens is that an initial identification is copied over and over again and taken as the reference for that name without actually knowing if that identification was correct in the first place. Although I am not really into Lilium taxonomy or familiar with the discerning characters, in order to identify this N Vietnam species I copied the original description of poilanei during my last visit to the Leiden herbarium. With the help of David Scherberich I managed to translate it from French and it is like this:
Lilium poilanei Gagnepain
1-1.50 m tall, drying orange-red, shiny. Leaves sessile, scattered, lanceolate, attenuate at base, acuminate near top, paler below, 10 cm long x 10-15 mm, the upper barely smaller, serving as bracts, about 3-5 ribs at underside of leaf. Terminal inflorescence, as a leafy cluster to 20 cm, 5-6 flowers, creamy white, with red lines, 9-10 cm long, funnel-shaped, almost cylindrical and obtuse in bud. - Perianth not striped or spotted; petals almost similar, equal, inside ones a little wide, 2 cm, all wider above the middle, wide and long attenuated at the base, pale yellow, darker at the top with an Andrinople-red (it is a kind of red color) line in the middle, at the end of anthesis strongly revolute. Stamens not reaching the apex of perianth parts, filament filiform awl-like, 6 cm long, glabrous, anther oblong, 12 mm long, loose, green, yellow pollen. Ovary cylindrical, truncated, 15 mm long, style gradually dilated upwards stigmata capitate, trilobate, 4 mm wide, exceeding the anthers.
Tonkin: kilometer 8, pass of Lo-qui-ho, near Chapa (Poilane).
Laos: between Muong-het and M. Seng (Polain)
It should be noted that the description is accompanied by a drawing clearly showing 2 broad basal leaflets of the peduncle but the flower shape is more funnel shaped than the flower on my pictures.
Probably next week I will return to the herbarium and look up the description of primulinum and its varieties. The primulinum reference states Flora of British India and Bot Mag so the last publication should show a painting of it and usually the Bot Mag paintings are in full habit.
As Baker described primulinum in 1892, it predates poilanei and it really depends on the question if Gagnepain was familair with this description and he didn't "re-describe" the same taxon in a form at its easterly limit? Being described in the Flora of India suggest that primulinum was described from one of the states neighbouring Burma, still a long way away from N Vietnam.... The pictures of the various collections on the Crûg website are not all showing the same flower but the KWJ12064 and HWJ681 are not flowering size yet so I can't confirm if they are the same or different or that we are talking about a rather polymorphic species.
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They are obviously all quite closely related, probably why the authors of the FoC decided to synonymize them all under L. primulinum and L. nepalense... The original descriptions would be incredibly helpful, without them we're just left guessing.
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I know it is a long shot but if anyone has acces to Botanical Magazine already and can scan the description and painting? The copyright on the old Botanical Magazines no longer applies so can be published on the internet. I can photocopy the article during my next visit but can't scan them, otherwise it will be a picture from a black & white copy or a picture taken with a cameraphone as cameras are not allowed in the library....
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The drawing from the Lilium poilanei description, a somewhat "artist impression" that is not really helpful.... :-[
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Curtis' is already online, see here (http://www.botanicus.org/item/31753002721907).
The other relevant names and synonyms listed in FoC are as follows:
Lilium primulinum var. primulinum Baker, Bot. Mag., vol. 118, t. 7227. 1892. (below)
Lilium primulinum var. burmanicum (W. W. Smith) Stearn, Gard. Chron., ser. 3. 124: 13. 1948:
Lilium nepalense D. Don var. burmanicum W. W. Smith, Trans. Bot. Soc. Edinburgh 28: 135. 1922
L. ochraceum Franchet var. burmanicum (W. W. Smith) Cotton
Lilium primulinum var. ochraceum (Franchet) Stearn, Gard. Chron., ser. 3. 124: 13. 1948:
Lilium ochraceum Franchet, J. Bot. (Morot) 6: 319. 1892
L. majoense H. Léveillé
L. nepalense D. Don var. ochraceum (Franchet) S. Yun Liang
L. tenii H. Léveillé
Lilium nepalense D. Don, Mem. Wern. Nat. Hist. Soc. 3: 412. 1820.
There might be some additional names listed in CVH, I'll check it later.
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Thanx Bjornar, didn't know some institute was already putting it online, very helpful, saves me time for some other "to-do" items I had on my list too.... ;D
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One important feature that already is clear from the primulinum description is that it should be flowering from an umbel, something the N Vietnam plant clearly doesn't do. However, I am not sure how to interpret the "terminal inflorescence, leafy cluster along 20 cm" from the polainei description.... Given that it is "along 20 cm" it suggests it might be branched like the N Vietnam plant.
Primulinum also shows a leaflet halfway up the pedicel (but that might be a less important character) which the N Vietnam plant lacks.
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Remember that the above is the description of L. primulinum v. primulinum which is restricted to Burma and Laos, the Chinese varieties may differ a fair bit...
Protologues of Lilium tenii and L. majoense (+ L. pyi) below, also from Botanicus (http://www.botanicus.org/page/265914).
Edit: What the heck is Lilium duclouxii?
Kouy-tcheou is supposedly an old name for Guizhou province. Anyone know a "Ma-jo", or "Yunnan: Lou-pou, Tong-chuan" (possibly Dongchuan)?
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Remember that the above is the description of L. primulinum v. primulinum which is restricted to Burma and Laos, the Chinese varieties may differ a fair bit...
The absence or presence of branched or clustered flowers is used within Lilium at a species level, in my view a much more dependable character than color or markings. So if the Chinese taxa have a branched flower stem and the ones from the border with Burma a cluster I highly doubt they belong to the same species.
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One important feature that already is clear from the primulinum description is that it should be flowering from an umbel, ...
inflorescence description of Lilium primulinum in flora of china (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=240001426): "Flowers 4--9 in a raceme".
the description in curtis: "Flowers about three, arrangend in a corymb (http://pharm1.pharmazie.uni-greifswald.de/systematik/ergaenz/corymbus.htm) or umbel.."
i think the formation of the inflorescence depends on the number of flowers. e.g. this foto of L. taliense (http://the-genus-lilium.com/images/Lilium/taliense5.jpg) shows 3 flowers emerging from the same point and not till then the flowers produce a typical raceme inflorescence. so if a young lilium bulb produces only up to 3 flowers, they could be arranged as an umbel even though the inflorescence is a raceme normally. maybe that's why in the curtis magazine description named 2 inflorescence types. (sorry my english isn't so good. i hope everybody understands what i mean ;D).
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Here's the protologue for L. ochraceum, from J. Bot. (Morot) 6. (The .pdf is huge (http://www.archive.org/details/journaldebotaniq06pari), but a very interesting read as it has protologues for a lot of Chinese lily species.)
Edit: Tchang Chan is Diancang Shan (i.e. CangShan) next to Dali.
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Greenspan, I understand what you are saying but in the case of the N Vietnam plant I have a second bulb that has 2 flowering buds, not in an umbel but already branched. As a matter of fact, there is even a leaflet half way in between the 2 pedicels and each pedicel has 2 basal leaflets.
No comment on the Flora of China.....(..)
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i'll make a foto of my "poilanei"-buds this evening...free choice...umbel + raceme, depending on the number of flowers. 8)
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I tend to agree with greenspan re: the value of the flower arrangement for identification; I have a L. majoense with 4 buds arranged in a perfect umbel, pictures on Google show the same lily with two flowers in a raceme. There's also a L. duchartrei with 6 buds in a raceme, and a lankongense with three buds in an umbel...
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As I said, my N Vietnam plant with 2 flower buds has a branched raceme. As such that would contradict your hypothesis about a correlation, it merely shows the character itself is unstable, at least in some species and/or sections. It also shows that for keying out taliense and other species the Flora of China key becomes useless.... ;)
In case of this group of species it then depends on other characters but the original descriptions are not much of help as far as I can read them. It would be a daunting task to look into this group as not all holotypes are yet online and many characters now used were not described (shape & size of bulb, production of stolons, stem roots etc....). I think I pass.....
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By chance I took these photos in my garden in the middle of June. I was sold the bulb as Lilium primulinum ochraceum and think this is correct. It is hardy and long lived. Does this help you with your discussion?
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The botanical epithet "ochraceum" means pale yellow. Primulinum as per Curtis is yellow unmarked, the description of Lilium ochraceum states: "Flores 1-3, virginei nutantes, lutei, immaculati"
Which I would read as "1-3 flowers, nodding and yellow". I see no reference to any markings and suppose the "immaculati" refers to the color?! Any people on the forum that read Latin better than I do? And what does the virginei have to do with nutantes?
Whatever it is Liz, it is very attractive, does it set viable seed?
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Isn't "virginei nutantes" something like "nodding when young/before anthesis"? Like you I'd understand "immaculati" to mean unspotted...
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immaculati means unspotted, unflecked, pure.
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How many had they seen when they wrote the description?
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OK, then I was looking in the right direction.....As the immaculati was separated from lutei by a comma I was a bit confused.
@ Tony, there are so many things that could have happened during history when describing a species, it really depends on the author, how the material came to them etc.... During the time of the missionaries a lot of material was simply shipped as dried specimen to Paris and published by people who had never seen the living plant. Many plants collected by Delavay for instance. If lucky the sheets were part of a set showing the various stages or manifestations/variety within a population but often it was merely a single specimen. They worked with what they got and after the publication when more info becomes available the description is updated and ammended. Only during the time of the great planthunters also seeds and/or living material was send to Europe. I have come across many issues while looking at Arisaema that literally meant reconstructing history to find out what the author exactly meant with the name (the history of Arisaema fargesii and franchetianum for instance is still muddled).
As this is merely making ochraceum a variety of primulinum it probably was just a matter of comparing both holotypes and protologues. But I am quessing now.
Do remember that plants can even be described from a leaf. Or just the flower. Reconstructing nomenclatural history of name is fun but very time consuming. Any volunteers for this one?
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By chance I took these photos in my garden in the middle of June. I was sold the bulb as Lilium primulinum ochraceum and think this is correct. It is hardy and long lived. Does this help you with your discussion?
Do you know if the bulbs are white or purple? It looks an awful lot like L. ciliatum...
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yes, my first thought also...liz lily shows a vigorous + wonderful ciliatum, enviable 8)
here some flower bud fotos of my poilanei...i got 8 bulbs of different size. the thin stems show 1 flower bud, the thicker ones 2 up to 6 flower buds. here 3 fotos each with 2 buds (foto 1+2 the same plant), last one with 6 buds. no doubt that this lily has an inflorescence of the raceme type. but young plants with only 2 buds can show both...umbel or raceme type. and this might be a phenomen of some other asiatic lilies.
@arisaema
can you show a foto of the L. duchartrei with 6 flowers/buds in a raceme? here my duchartrei (last year)...4 flowers umbel like. maybe insufficient flowers for a raceme. ;D
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Many thanks you guys for putting me right. I've now googled L ciliatum and this is definitely the plant I have - it solves the problem of the leaves and the green anthers which didn't match the description of L primulinum ochraceum in 'Lilies of the World' by Woodcock & Stearn (1950) which I use as my main reference book. Interestingly they do not list Lilium ciliatum at all - has the name changed? Also, Pascal, my plant has so far set no seed but as your interest is in Himalayan lilies I assume that seed from L ciliatum would not be of interest in any case.
This book also describes Lilium primulinum var primulinum as follows:
'Although this is the nomenclatural type of the species, it is really a form of var burmanicum in which the purple marking of the throat has been lost. It has self-coloured, unblotched flowers of primrose yellow with green filaments and was first imported from the Shan States of Upper Burma about 1890.'
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Also, Pascal, my plant has so far set no seed but as your interest is in Himalayan lilies I assume that seed from L ciliatum would not be of interest in any case.
True. But I was not asking it specifically for myself. In general I think growers should put a lot more effort into propagating rare plants as ex situ conservation becomes more and more important, rare plants should not be imprisoned in collections. Seeing people mis-using newly imported rare plants for instance for hybridisation first always makes me a bit disappointed. There is nothing wrong with hybrids as long as the true species is firmly established into cultivation too but often that is not the case so a "pollen-exchange" section on the forum might not be a bad idea?. As I have no interest in non-Asian plants I didn't recognise it as ciliatum but as far as I can tell, it is quite a rarity and not at all common in the wild anymore.
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Here are three blooming this week. Kushi Maya is particularly interesting being an L. nepalense hybrid
Kushi Maya
Big Brother
Conca d'Or
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There is something funny with the picture of primulinum in Curtis.
All lilium I have looked at for this feature, have two bracts. In an umbel of three flowers they form a whorl of six leaves. In an umbel of four there are eight leaves. In the whorl from four and upwards the count may be different with abortive bracts. If there is only one, terminal, flower this does not always apply - probably since there is no true pedicel.
Some liliums have branched pedicels. Lancifolium and speciosum are good examples. In those cases there is only one bract where the main pedicel goes out from the stem and the other bract sits where the secondary pedicel branches off. Sometimes there is no secondary pedicel but the second bract sits where it would have been.
The illustration shows four bracts where the pedicels branch out just as expected but there are tertiary bracts on the pedicels.
Cardiocrinum and Notholirion have only one bract. Nomocharis have two but terminal flowers may be deficient umbels with bracts for more flowers than acually present.
I do not grow sufficient numbers of Fritillaria to have an opinion on the number of bracts there.
I agree that the shape of the inflorecense should be a better criterion than tepal colour - especially since som many Lilium have forms with aberrant colour. Usually brick red turned into yellow.
However, duchartrei and lankongese seem to have all combinations of umbel/raceme and white/pink.
I agree very much with Pascal.
Göte
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Not mine, but I came across a few pictures of a stunning form of what must be L. sempervivoideum, and figured they might be of interest:
http://www.cfh.ac.cn/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=1fca649f-c71d-4c04-9023-9226651e62b0
http://www.cfh.ac.cn/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=9ee0bd25-44cc-410a-b61d-2d89bc8d4ead
http://www.cfh.ac.cn/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=8b249a2d-a11a-4e30-b53b-bcd86bd27cad
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Some members of the RHS Lily Group are trying to get a Pollen Exchange off the ground. They also run a good Seed Exchange.
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Interesting nepalense hybred Jamie, and lots of wonderfull species, but a rather more common lilly at work last week, it has probably been growing effectively wild in this garden for 50 years or more
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Kushi Maya is a very nice nepalense hybrid Jaimie :o
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A few flowers on the 1.75m high L. grayi thanks to the incredibly grey and wet last few months. Brian, note how my flowers are orangish in the centre whilst yours are a lovely solid red.
johnw
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Lilium sargentiae is flowering earlier this year than last year so hopefully I can get the seedpods to mature before the first frost. The ones I grow as the related sulphureum are just showing their buds and almost 2 meters tall now, much taller than last year. Both produce an abundance of green stem bulbils that had no problems getting through the winter, this years harvest will be donated to the seedex as I have them popping up all over the place, a simple gust of wind is all that is needed for that....
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A few flowers on the 1.75m high L. grayi thanks to the incredibly grey and wet last few months. Brian, note how my flowers are orangish in the centre whilst yours are a lovely solid red.
johnw
I think I was very lucky John, they came from the same supplier I assume?
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A few flowers on the 1.75m high L. grayi thanks to the incredibly grey and wet last few months. Brian, note how my flowers are orangish in the centre whilst yours are a lovely solid red.
johnw
I think I was very lucky John, they came from the same supplier I assume?
Lucky indeed as there were from the same supplier.
Just back from outer suburbia where it was 32c looking at magnolias in the blazing sun, 25c here near the ocean and glad to be back.
johnw
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Two from the local Supermarket.? :)
Michael, the production of these pot lilies (Asiatics) is booming and there seem to be several good garden plants among them.
I believe that the names of your plants probably are:
Lilium Tiny Orange Sensation for pic. 28 and Lilium Tiny Sensation for pic. 29
Here the link to the (wholesale) supplier with the pictures:
http://www.zaboplant.nl/en/lily/plants.html (http://www.zaboplant.nl/en/lily/plants.html)
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Thanks Luit.
Cheers
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Good news from me :)
Today I have collect ripe fruits and seeds from my L.pyrenaicum yellow and red :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7193.msg201944#msg201944
If anybody is interestet for swap or payment of the shipping costs so please send me a PM
Hans
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Today in flower
one of the unnamed species from Chen Yi
Needed an 150 cm long bamboo as support
otherwise all the flowers would be on the ground
Roland
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Today in flower
one of the unnamed species from Chen Yi
Needed an 150 cm long bamboo as support
otherwise all the flowers would be on the ground
Roland
Roland - Looks like the cw sargentiae we have here. You may need a taller cane next year!
johnw
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Has L. sargentiae bulblets ??
I bought two times L. sargentiae from her
both times there where completely other lilies in the parcel
Roland
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Roland:
Stem bulbils beneath the leaves?
Surely either L. sulpherum or L. sargentiae
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If the base of the filaments are hairy it is L. sargentiae
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Forgive me... I think Roland's last picture of the leaves and bulbils may be upside down.... here is the image turned around... I think the leaves look to be growing in a more correct manner ????
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Maggie this is the correct way
the flower-stem was hanging down
the bulbils are all over the flower-stem
like lilium tigrinum
just much smaller
Roland
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Arnold
Here the close up
It looks like L.sargentiae
If yes I am happy
This one came in flower in a 11cm pot
I just forgot to replant
I kept it separate because the bulb looked different
Roland
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Roland:
Looks hairy to me.
How's the scent in the evening?
I had it from Chen Yi but it lasted five years and then disappeared. I'm still growing some stem bulbils from it.
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A couple of lilies in flower today
Lilium auratum
Lilium chalcedonicum , particularly pleased with it as it has produced four flowers this year as opposed to one in previous seasons. A second bulb has done the same.
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I will pollinate it
and hopefully it's not self-sterile
good for here and the BX
I will hold my nose tonight under the flower
does sargentiae have a special perfume ??
Roland
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I've found it heavy scented at night. Somewhat stronger than L. leucanthum
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Some lilies from me
Asiatic 'Marseille'
Aurelian 'Lady Alice'
Regale giganteum
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Asiatic 'Landini'
LA unknown
Asiatic 'Pink Giant'
Asiatic 'King Pete'
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Zhirair, what a delightful selection of lilies, looking very healthy indeed.
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I am overwhelmed with Lily Envy! All I manage to keep alive here are a couple henryi and one 'Black Dragon'. It's pretty pathetic. Even the wild Lilium michiganensis that I discovered in the park behind the school next door failed to set seed pods. If it comes back next year, I'll play pollinator myself for it.
Jim
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Yes Arnold
it is perfumed too
good place next from the terrace :)
Roland
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What the heck is this? It doesn't key as, well, anything... :P It's slightly fragrant, a bit like the roots of Asarum caudatum.
Chinese; lanceolate foliage (25-40 mm x 7-10 mm); nectaries green, not papillose; tepals revolute, 40 mm long, 11 mm wide, green with purple-brown spots and shading; ovary about 15mm; style 27mm; filaments about 30mm; anthers orange, 9mm.
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Shape reminds me of L. xanthellum. But that one is yellow so probably can't be it, pretty plant though.
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First lily grown from seed to flower.
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Very nice, Guff.
was it a L. speciosum variety or a hybrid?
cheers
fermi
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What the heck is this? It doesn't key as, well, anything... :P It's slightly fragrant, a bit like the roots of Asarum caudatum.
Chinese; lanceolate foliage (25-40 mm x 7-10 mm); nectaries green, not papillose; tepals revolute, 40 mm long, 11 mm wide, green with purple-brown spots and shading; ovary about 15mm; style 27mm; filaments about 30mm; anthers orange, 9mm.
I assume you have tried FOC. Do you have the book about chinese lilies?
It looks to me as something close to the primulinum/ochraceum/nepalense complex.
It MIGHT be an undescribed species, If so you have the chance.
Göte
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What the heck is this?
Very nice, indeed!
Take a look at the Lilium primulinum listing here:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumAsiaticSectionFour
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Guff,
I take it that that is a hybrid seedling. Very beautiful! Any idea as to the parentage? I have still to bloom my own seedlings, but I'm getting there. I only hope I get something half as attractive.
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Zhirair,
Is Lady Alice a hybred of L henryi? I have a lilly about 2 meters high in flower which I bought as "white henryi" but it looks like your Lady Alice.
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Zhirair,
Is Lady Alice a hybred of L henryi? I have a lilly about 2 meters high in flower which I bought as "white henryi" but it looks like your Lady Alice.
Peter,
Yes, it is a hybrid of l. henri with l. regale.
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Thankyou Zhirair,
that explains it's height then too.
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Flower of the second plant of the N Vietnam Lilium, much more pronounced spotting in the throat than the first plant I posted pictures of. If the spotting would extend into the petals you probably end up with the mystery Lilium from Bjornar.
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Thanks, it's an Oriental Lily seedling.
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I am overwhelmed with Lily Envy! All I manage to keep alive here are a couple henryi and one 'Black Dragon'. It's pretty pathetic. Even the wild Lilium michiganensis that I discovered in the park behind the school next door failed to set seed pods. If it comes back next year, I'll play pollinator myself for it.
Jim
Jim, that's typical behavior for L. michiganense, even if you hand-pollinate it. I don't know the reason. Do your plants get a lot of sun? I believe michiganense needs a lot of sun. But I don't know if that's related to the pollination issue. I'm beginning to think that a lot of native plant stands are getting badly inbred, because of isolation due to long distances between stands. Maybe you should try getting some seeds or bulbs from another location, or at least some pollen.
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What the heck is this? It doesn't key as, well, anything... :P It's slightly fragrant, a bit like the roots of Asarum caudatum.
Chinese; lanceolate foliage (25-40 mm x 7-10 mm); nectaries green, not papillose; tepals revolute, 40 mm long, 11 mm wide, green with purple-brown spots and shading; ovary about 15mm; style 27mm; filaments about 30mm; anthers orange, 9mm.
It has nepalense-like foliage. I think it's a nepalense hybrid, maybe with wardi or cernuum, if those crosses are possible. There is massive variation in the species in the wild. And in the collector's garden, anything can happen.
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Today in flower
one of the unnamed species from Chen Yi
Needed an 150 cm long bamboo as support
otherwise all the flowers would be on the ground
Roland
Your third photo shows bulbils, so it might be sargentiae, but sargentiae usually has a greenish tint to the flowers. It might be one of the many forms of sulphureum. I have at least six different kinds of sulphureum. I have no idea if that many exist in nature. Sulphureum will often get much taller than sargentiae, and will bloom later, and often will not produce seeds. If you grow sulphureum in full sun, it will be strong enough to support itself. Both sargentiae and sulphureum can tolerate very warm growing conditions.
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Lilium sp. from China
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Very nice pictures yijia
Is this where you live
or where you on holiday
what is the white spot on the last picture ?
Roland
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Very nice pictures yijia
Is this where you live
or where you on holiday
what is the white spot on the last picture ?
Roland
Hello Roland, I live in N.China, these pictures were taken in my holiday, trip to S.E.China. the white spot is ice.
This species is similar to Lilium paradoxum http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/paradoxum.htm
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The Lilium paradoxum is also a beauty
what a colour
Just keep posting such beauties
I love them
Roland
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lovely pictures Yijia and a very beautiful lilly.
Also an interesting link to alilly group? with a seed exchange?
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I can only agree with everybody here Yijia,beautiful pictures..the yellow lily is incredible do you not have a name for the sp.
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Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my
Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar
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Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my
Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar
Hello Tony,
So beautiful poilanei, this species petal and leaves are thick, maybe long flower term? The purple spotted are variable, even some flower without spotted, pure green.
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Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my
Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar
Hello Tony,
So beautiful poilanei, this species petal and leaves are thick, maybe long flower term? The purple spotted are variable, even some flower without spotted, pure green.
Hi Yija it is very similar to one of the ones you have shown on the 'genus lilium 'website which is pleasing.
When I received the two bulbs I took of scales and have raised a couple of bulbils from each of them to increase my numbers but I will cross pollinate them when the second flowers and raise some from seed to get some variation. It is so much more elegant than L. nepalense and as you say it has very nice leaves as well as the flowers.
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Yija that is a lovely flower. Here is the first flower on my
Lilium poilanei? from N. Vietnam very much like the one shown by Pascal. it will be interesting to see if the second bulb is similar
Hello Tony,
So beautiful poilanei, this species petal and leaves are thick, maybe long flower term? The purple spotted are variable, even some flower without spotted, pure green.
Hi Yija it is very similar to one of the ones you have shown on the 'genus lilium 'website which is pleasing.
When I received the two bulbs I took of scales and have raised a couple of bulbils from each of them to increase my numbers but I will cross pollinate them when the second flowers and raise some from seed to get some variation. It is so much more elegant than L. nepalense and as you say it has very nice leaves as well as the flowers.
Hello Tony, yes your lily from same source with those pictures.
PS: I found one small lily in same situ(with th yellow one), could you please identify it?
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lovely pictures Yijia and a very beautiful lilly.
Also an interesting link to alilly group? with a seed exchange?
Of course, please link me to the group, thanks!
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Hi, thanks for the wonderful Lilium pictures and the yellow one is a dream, I have Lilum nepalensis flowering just now the bulbs are in pots but have been outside, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Ian,
Very pretty!
Jim
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Lilium rosthornii
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Hi all,
Our stok of L lankongense in bloom
1 stok
2 close
Wim
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Just beautiful! Are they seedlings or all the same clone?
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No Jamie they are all the same clone
wim
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For the first time I got flower in L. speciosum var. clivorum. I have looked for description of that variety but can not fine it. I have looked in my books and on the Internet. On the Internet I can fine several pictures but no description tell what do clivorum to a variety.
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It seems to be a standard Lilium speciosum and very lovely too. The clivorum addition looks as though it is another of the quite pointless names added as a var. in 1881. (Lilium speciosum var. clivorum S. Abe & Tamura, 1981) This seems to happen to many plants in all families.
Here is my second plant of Lilium poilanei in flower now
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Very nice species Tony ;)
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My goodness, my pleasure at seeing these lily pictures shows just how much I missed a day of Forum photos! Such photogenic flowers, so elegant.
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3 of 8 stems of my Lilium poilanei start flowering. all 8 stems produce buds. there is one poilanei flower with nearly no markins inside the flower. if you compare this flower with Lilium primulinum var. burmanicum on the-genus-lilium.com-website (http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/images/Lilium/primulinum1.jpg) it shows that L. poilanei is a very close related species to primulinum to my mind.
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New for me, this Lilium poilanei is really amazing :D
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Lilium auratum growing up through a rhododendron. it has survived several cold winters there. it is not as pristine as growing it inside.
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A friend just sent me these shots of a Lilium we gave her at a plant sale. She says it is over 8 feet tall. I immediately assumed it was L. henryi as that one is in flower here now, on inspection it appears not to be furthermore hers does not appear to be a scrambler. Her garden can be a week or two later than ours. As best as I recall the only ones we had at the sale were henryi, formosanum, bulbiferum canadense, pardalinum, nepalense and michiganense. Could it be pardalinum? I don't however recall the green centre?
johnw
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John, that looks a lot like Lilium superbum, but may be a pardalinum hybrid.
I personally would consider L. speciosum clivorum a good variety rather than just another variant. It has phenology on its side and I have yet to get pollen from it to be accepted on my typical speciosum. Type description below. Also L. gloriosoides really should be a good species. It is native to the Lushan Mts of Guangxi (China) and is highly disjunct from Japan, but the Taiwan material is better placed near the Japanese plants. Not sure if molecular work would support this since I know Taiwan has a history of both Sino-Himalayan and Sino-Japanese phtyogeographic patterns let alone the many tropical elements of its flora..
II. Lillium speciosum var. clivorum S. Abe et Tamura var, nov.
'L . speciosum var. gloriosoides Baker' Grove in New F1. Silva, III, Fig. VII
(1930).-' L, speciosum punctatum ', Wallace in Roy. Hort. Soc. Lily Yearbook, IV, 126
(1935).
Bulb flattened globose, scales rather loosely imbricated, 4-6 cm. long, 1.3--2 cm.
wide, lanceolate, acuminate. Stem rather slender, 0.9-1.3 m, long, tending from suberect
to sub-pendulous, usually nodding at the top. Leaves tending to 1/2--phyllotaxis,
subnutant, broad-lanceolate to elliptic-ovate, slightly larger than the type, 12-20 cm.
long, 4-6 cm. wide, 0.2-0.3 mm. thick, attenuate, rather dark green (31"m.), strongly
impressed along nerves, wavy in the margin. Flowers more lightly colored than
the type, faded or margined, sometimes blotched, pendulous ; blossoms 2-3 weeks
earlier than the type ; pedicel rather slender, 11--14 cm, long, 0.25-0.3 cm. diameter ;
perianth-segments much reflexed, much wavy ; stigma subcapitately truncate.
Plant growing in Nagasaki is similar to the plant from Shikoku, but differs in
the following characteristics.
Bulb globose, but slightly flattened ; scales broad-lanceolate ; stem 0.6 to 1 m.
long, tending to sub-erect ; leaves moderate green (31 m). Blossoms 2-3 weeks ear324
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her than the type variety, but later than the plant from Shikoku ; pedicels rather
rigid, 8-11 cm. long, 0.3--0.4 cm, in diameter.
Folia : phyllotaxis plerumque 1/2, nutantiuscula late lanceolata vel ovate-elliptica,
apice gradatim attenuata, nervis valde impresses, margine repanda. Flores ; stigmate
subcapitao-truncata, patet praecocciore quam typo.
Nom Jap.: Taki-Yuri (nom. vernacul. in Shikoku. Etymologia Taki-cautes, Yuri--
Lilium).
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Aaaron - Thanks so much. I think you've hit the nail on the head.
We grow pardalinum but it never flowers as the bed get rather dry at times from tree roots. L. vollmeri flowered for awhile in another bed though and it never got much taller than a meter and always looked squinny. So it made not much sense that our friend would have a pardalinum in a very cold garden and so tall too, her beds are very sandy, mind you we have had a summer of torrential rains. L. superbum certainly makes more sense. Now we must figure out how it got into our lily collection and did a Vancouver friend send it as pardalinum #2 years ago.
I was in the Annapolis Valley today at 28c. 24c on the coast which is warm for here. It is going to 13/14c at night. Definitely a change in the air and light and feeling a bit autumnal.
johnw
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Lilium sulphureum which this year reaches nearly 2 meters tall for the tallest (just as my glasshouse). One was slightly pinkish, the tallestonly white and yellow. The odd thing is that the buds before they open already produces some sweet fluid which attracts all sort of insects including the wasp on the last picture.
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Does Lilium nepalense have bulbils in the leaf axils?
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Does Lilium nepalense have bulbils in the leaf axils?
No, it produces underground runners to reproduce. L. sulphureum and sargentiae are 2 species that do produce bulbils in the leaf axils but nepalense definitely not.
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My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte
Definitely N. aperta, this particular form is formerly known as N. forrestii.
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My equivalent of Pascal's Nomocharis farreri which like his is difficult to key out from the Flora of China
Hi Tony,
To me this looks like a typical N aperta. Scattered leaves, filaments not swollen, Long style.
Cheers Göte
Definitely N. aperta, this particular form is formerly known as N. forrestii.
Thank you both for the identification,as usual the differences seem barely discernable. I have crossed it with the second one and also with the aperta from Giles and both have produced a lot of seed.
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Lilium ex Supermarket :)
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Where you all buy the colour forms of L. martagon?
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H.W.Hyde has plenty, also The Lily Nook in Canada.
http://www.hwhyde.co.uk/lilies/martagons/
http://www.lilynook.mb.ca/martagon.html
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:o :o :o Oh, no. I shouldnt have asked and I shouldnt have looked
Thanks for showing me a web site I dont know
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Mark, here is a site with beautiful Martagon lilies.
http://www.lilijas.info/
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Normally if I want info on a lily I google it.
In the case of Lilium davoricum - nothing.
Can anyone give me some detail - height, type of soil etc.
I have a pot of 'seedlings' that look good for the garden.
Thanks
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Arthur
if you just google ' davoricum' you will get some results but they do not help much
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Normally if I want info on a lily I google it.
In the case of Lilium davoricum - nothing. Thanks
Try spelling it Lilium dauricum - you will find plenty of links. It used to be called L maculatum dauricum but it is now called Lilium pensylvanicum so you will also find info under that name.
PBS link is here:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumDauricumSection (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumDauricumSection)
and another useful link from The genus Lilium site is here
http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/dauricum.htm (http://www.the-genus-lilium.com/dauricum.htm)
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Diane
I thoughtat first of that but Lilium davoricum appears as a species in google in Flora Altaica
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Diane
I thought at first of that but Lilium davoricum appears as a species in google in Flora Altaica
Yes, it does, but that and any other reference to davoricum that I can find is dating from 1800 and something and cannot be followed up.
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L davidii could be another interpretation if there has been a mis spelling. I might write "davoricum" if I was sowing davidii and thinking of another species as well - such as dauricum, could that happen for you Arthur?
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Sorry, I realised my first reply was rather in haste and not clear. It has been spelled as Lilium dauricum, L davuricum, L dahuricum by various authors (and L maculatum dauricum) and these are all old names for what is now (unfortunately) named L pensylvanicum - because that was its original name by Gawler in 1805 who mistakenly thought it was a North American species. When he realised his mistake, he corrected it in 1809 to L dauricum, but priority now means it is back to its originally published name.
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-279888 (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-279888)
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A picture of some Lilium distichum scales Martin Baxendale sent me on the 18th August potted up today.
All ten have produced a small bulb in six weeks in the airing cupboard.I hope this encourages others to swap some of the rarer lilies as it is an easy way of propagating them and does not damage the parent bulb.
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A picture of some Lilium distichum scales Martin Baxendale sent me on the 18th August potted up today.
All ten have produced a small bulb in six weeks in the airing cupboard.I hope this encourages others to swap some of the rarer lilies as it is an easy way of propagating them and does not damage the parent bulb.
Very impressed - all I need now are some rarer lillies to swap :P I'll give it a try with what I've got though, is it too late to do it now?
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A picture of some Lilium distichum scales Martin Baxendale sent me on the 18th August potted up today.
All ten have produced a small bulb in six weeks in the airing cupboard.I hope this encourages others to swap some of the rarer lilies as it is an easy way of propagating them and does not damage the parent bulb.
Very impressed - all I need now are some rarer lillies to swap :P I'll give it a try with what I've got though, is it too late to do it now?
No, plenty of time, Tony.
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Let me know if you think this maybe showing virus in Lilium 'Queens Promise'? Its a orient pet and very vigorous.Its suppose to have a uniform pink colour throughout the petals and did so last year. Its planted next to L 'Trumphator' which I suspect carried the virus, the plant looked weak and did not flower. I contacted the grower and he seems to think its not likely to be a virus, as he doesnt have virus on his property and I dont have any tigrinum that may carry virus. This is a new garden with new Liliums bought from the same grower.
He suggested to isolate it and feed it with a nitrophosca and the symptoms will not show up the next year. I dont have any hopes..what do you think?
cheers
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I think I would be throwing that away
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Let me know if you think this maybe showing virus in Lilium 'Queens Promise'? Its a orient pet and very vigorous.Its suppose to have a uniform pink colour throughout the petals and did so last year. Its planted next to L 'Trumphator' which I suspect carried the virus, the plant looked weak and did not flower. I contacted the grower and he seems to think its not likely to be a virus, as he doesnt have virus on his property and I dont have any tigrinum that may carry virus. This is a new garden with new Liliums bought from the same grower.
He suggested to isolate it and feed it with a nitrophosca and the symptoms will not show up the next year. I dont have any hopes..what do you think?
cheers
Without doubt - 100% virus!
Janis
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Virus
But did anyone try to heat scales from a virused lily in hot water 60 C° for 15 minutes. This works with paeonies and might be a chance for this problem.
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For the long nights
I found this year a place where L. martagon was very common. Even some white flowers. Never saw a lily-place more exiting in all my life.
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I played bee but alas all marked plants were eaten by deer.
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Axel,
Extraordinary plants, extraordinary place, extraordinary pics! Thanks for sharing with us!
Gerd
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One third didn't make it to blooming because of the grazing from the roe deer. Does anybody know a way to prevent this.
I would like to see all the variations blooming there one day.
There were very few lilybeetle (but very big ones too, I have never seen this size before) and a little lilyfly.
Maybe the grazing cut their number down too.
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One third didn't make it to blooming because of the grazing from the roe deer. Does anybody know a way to prevent this.
I would like to see all the variations blooming there one day.
There were very few lilybeetle (but very big ones too, I have never seen this size before) and a little lilyfly.
Maybe the grazing cut their number down too.
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for my part, here in Quebec, I have wild canada lily and the deer find them very tasty. I put coyote urine near the lily and I try to go twice a week near the colony with my dog. It work at least for now but they are still present on my land.
Here is a canada lily (var immaculatum) photo credits: Ron Moodycliffe