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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: arilnut on April 09, 2011, 06:04:43 PM
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I'm starting this thread for Arilbred and Regelia/Onco cross iris.
This is an unregistered RC cross by the late Dr. Werckmeister he called Eisblau
opened this morning.
John B
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F A N T A S T I C !
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Lovely photo, John - very unusual coloring for an aril. Any idea what its parentage is?
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Yum x Yum. ;D
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I'm getting confused by the proliferation of Iris pages!
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I'm getting confused by the proliferation of Iris pages!
you and me both, David ::) but ............arilnut John says "I started it because I will be putting up probably a 100 pics of AB's and RC's in the next month and didn't want to clog up the "Regelia, Onco, and Iris" threads........ so that's what will be happening here, I suppose!
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Can't wait !!! ;D
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Here are some for today
John
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Here are 4 more.
John B
Lu's Child
Omar's Stitchery
Trolls Treasure
Zizah
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Your seasons definately underway John!
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John did many of your species flower? They would have been earlier than the arilbreds.
Only one I have is Zizah.
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Beautiful plants, John! 'Turkish Topaz' is a gem.
Here two Arilbredseedlings which I want to post in "their" thread (I had shown them in another thread before). Especially like them because of the veining,the pronouced Oncospot and similarity with true Oncos, but they are "only" 2/3 Aril. Flower and habitus pictures of both plants, I will try to work a bit more with this two plants. ;)
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Fantastic plants John and Hans ! Amazing ! :o
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Hi Hans. Do you have the parentage recorded?
John B
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Oh by the way I just got back from the Wichita Iris Club early show.
I took Best in Show with I. korolkowii v. violacea bruin
1st runner up with Andromache
3rd runner up with King Jehu
4th runner up with Ode to Kalifa
Best Aril with Tadzhiki Eclipse
and Best Species with I. hoogiana Deep Purple, this from Janis.
Pics later. I'm happy.
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Congratulations John! :D
The parentage of my plants is 'Dotted Sunsuit' x T-99-5 (tetraploid Oncogelia) - thought they would be sterile but they produced some seedpods (pentaploids?), will see if there will be any some good seed inside. :)
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OK folks, are you ready for a barrage of AB pics. Here goes.
John B
Asenath
Atta Boy
Bedouin Child
Coffe River
Eastern Blush
Frank RiceHad wrong name on the photo "Frank Rice". It is "Emerald Fantasy".
I. hoogiana Deep Purple clump A collection of Janis Ruksans
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Now some pics from the show last Sunday
John B
Best of Show
Andromache First runner up
King Jehu Third runner up
Tadzhiki Eclipse Best Aril
I. hoogiana Deep Purple Best Species
The Queen's table
My ugly self with the Queen
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I said it would be a barrage. Tell me when to stop
John B
I. korolkowii Violacea Bruin
Lu's Child
Masada's Glory
Nefret
Omar's Stitchery
Peresh
Point Well Taken
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John thanks for showing these. None in Australia of these you posted as far as I know.
Funny how your iris show looks like our iris shows - same tables etc
You certainly knocked their socks off didn't you?
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Well no one has said "stop" so here are more.
John B
Renee
Saffron Charm
Sunflight
Tactical Diversion
Thor
Trolls Treasure
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Whoops grabbed the wrong one of Renee. And then some more.
John
Renee
Arabian Sun
Bedouin Woman
Betty Mcpherson
Feeling Sorta Blue
Koko Knoll
Luella Dee
Mondsee
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A few more.
Raiding Fort Knox
Solomon's Court
Surpassing Yellow
Tien Shan
Undue Influence
Zerzura
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What a super slection of plants, both in the show and growing.
Tell me, John, does the Best in Show Iris HAVE to match the purple prize ribbon or was that just a coincidence? ;D ;)
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Good to see what Thor is supposed to look like.
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Coincidence Maggi.!!!!
What a super slection of plants, both in the show and growing.
Tell me, John, does the Best in Show Iris HAVE to match the purple prize ribbon or was that just a coincidence? ;D ;)
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Here are a couple that opened over the weekend.
Jallab: an aril-pumila cross
Omar's Blue Moon: an AB
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A couple more bloomed today. Note that Desert Moonlight does typically have a dark spot, which is extremely pale, here. Apparently, a new plant doesnt always show its full potential.
Desert Moonlight
Desert Moonlight
Desert Moonlight- top view
Suspect
Suspect
Suspect- top view
Suspect- top view
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Thanks for posting these folks, they really are beautiful.
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A few hybreds around here, the first I like but I don't know what it is, perhaps youcan name it John?
The second I think is good. It was given to me, with 3 more unnamed seedlings, about 8 years ago by Geoff Wilson from his breeding program. they survived the very wet summers two and three years ago without cover planted in gravel.
The third is an AB seedling I grew from seed Lawrence Ransom donated to the BIS. It has two branches and I think it is pretty but I doubt I shall keep it because I don't like the colour specking that seems so popular in modern breeding.
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Peter,
the branching on that third seedling may be worth following up. Just cross to a non-flecked flower type. I'm not that fond of the streaking effect, but speckling I do rather like. It is a bit finer. I have a blossom coming on Speckled Bird, which has been dethroned as an AB, but I plan to use it, if I can.
Jamie
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Thanks Jamie, I'll send you a bit, please remind me. I'm pushed to manage hand pollination on species and have no room or time for playing with the development of advanced hybreds.
It is a bit top branched and the bud count is only 4. I dont know what the aril content is but I would suggest crossing it with at least 50% aril + branching, or else with something with a better branching and bud count in order to back cross to aril blood. All too much for me to take on...
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Jamie and Peter, nice to see you posting on this thread.
Here are some from today on a rainy day.
John B
Balalaika Music
Chocolate Mint
Frank Rice
Hakuna Matata
Noble Warrior
Tauris
Violets in Mist
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Thankyou John, Glad to see Deloruses 'Violets in Mist' - that did appeal to me but I dont think it was on the overseas list. Tauris looks pretty too - is it one of hers? how are they for substance? also like Frank Rice. Noble Warrior looks like it has substance but not to my taste- too much of a blend.
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Hi Peter. Tauris is one of Lawrence Ransom's. These will both be on the overseas list
this year. I have 72 varieties on there this year. Catalog should be out early June.
As for substance, those picture were taken after a day of pretty good rain and
they held up real well.
John
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I love these plants!
I cannot contribute much to this thread but this complex unnamed cross from Geoff Wilson has been with me for years and has survived a lot of neglect. It currently resides planted in my bulb frame and does really well. The label says there is some I. camillae in it and it looks like it has some paradoxa too.
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Oh - this one is also from Geoff Wilson and also sans name!
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Thanks John, will look forward to the list ;)
If you could ever spare a fan each of these Darren I am trying to pool together what there is of Geoffs work now he has stopped breeding. He sent me and a friend the remains of his plants, I think few have been named.
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Peter I did not know that Geoff had given up the arils and his breeding. He has not written for a while. He did have internet access for a little while a few years back.
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Darren,
those two seedlings are great. Nice fotos to boot. I can see I. paradoxa in the first, as well. It would be interesting to know what the actual parentage is. I take it, it is diploid. I hope you will be able to share these with Peter at some point, they both look to be excellent plants. It would be a shame that this kind of breeding may be lost (we all have accidents, now don't we. I don't even want to count the things I've killed over the years :-X ). I didn't know that Geoff Wilson had stopped tinkering with the arils.
Peter,
Taurus and its sibling Urmia are not always easy to find, un-virused! I had both, but disposed of them. I am still looking for a clean source, as the genetics are great for SDB x aril crosses. I suppose one could maintain virused plants seperate from clean ones, just for hybridising, as virus doesn't necessarily effect their performance or fetility.
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Some the last 2 days.
Peter, Violets in mist is by Caroline Chacon.
John
Afrosiab
Aril Skyline
Damfino
Desert Moonlight
Desert Plum
Galilee Prince
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And a few more. I grow over 215 Arilbred, RC, and species Arils.
In just 3 of my beds I counted 377 stalks.
John
Hannah's Prayer
Mohr Pretender
Penninah's Provocation
Tcha Deetch
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Sorry about the slow reply - Safari threw a wobbly yesterday and after fiddling with settings for hours I gave up and switched everything off and back on again - and it worked!
Peter - I will do my best to send you material of both. The brown one bulks up incredibly slowly though and only flowers about every second year. I do have notes about the parentage from Geoff but they are buried in my paperwork somewhere...
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Thanks Darren,
I get the impression Geoff was creating onco and onco regelia crosses with a view to back crossing his advanced breeding lines with them. Your first picture would suggest one of these. Your second is nearer to what he was producing in general. I understand his object was then to produce a stockier plant. Some of his later hybreds seem to have bourn this out, flowering with my friend in London.
I am not interested in breeding with them, rather in preserving his work in case someone comes along who would like to continue it.
Thanks John for your correction re Violets in Mist, and more wonderfull pictures.
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John,
this is great seeing so much of your collection flowering. I can now plan ahead! ;D I will need to get Tekoah again, as it rotted this Spring, while in bud. >:( Bummer! I have flowers coming on Speckled Bird, which I had hoped to cross to a species, but I don't think anything will be flowering. Anyone have some kirkwoodii pollen to spare? Or lortetii?
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I can post you kikwoodii pollen on monday Jamie
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Peter,
that would be great. I'll PM my addy. Fingers crossed that it takes! I suspect Speckled Bird is a triploid (I've not yet counted it), but it may well be an aneuploid.
J.
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Peter,
that would be great. I'll PM my addy. Fingers crossed that it takes! I suspect Speckled Bird is a triploid (I've not yet counted it), but it may well be an aneuploid.
J.
Hi Jamie, 'Speckled Bird', unless its parentage is inaccurate, would certainly be an unbalanced tetraploid of the Mohr type (ATTT). Fertility extremely limited, if any.
Tom
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Tom,
what is the parentage? It is no longer listed as an arilbred for what ever reason. If it is an ATTT, then it should be eligible. In any case, I have a knack for finding the right parent to many of these unbalanced tetraploids, often using a species or a pumila-aril-bearded. You just have to hold you tongue just right and wink but the left eye...just a bit. ;D
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Here are some from Friday, pics not the best. Wind blew 30 to 60 mile an hour all day.
John
Bagdad's Folly
Burra Sahib
Nordic Sky
Jonnye's Magic
Saracen Cinnamon
Thabor
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Hi Jamie - Speckled Bird is Tiffany x Capitola (TTTT x AATT). Although a quarterbred by parentage, the hybridizer, Crandall, chose to register it as a TB, perhaps because he felt it lacked sufficient aril characteristics. Good luck hybridizing with it - sometimes the "not supposed to be fertile" types can be helpful in widening the gene pool.
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Exactly right Tom. I am growing a seedling of Ed Pickin's that is "Turkish Topaz x At the Threshold".
Turkish Topaz has never been fertile for anyone but Ed had not heard this ;D
John B
Hi Jamie - Speckled Bird is Tiffany x Capitola (TTTT x AATT). Although a quarterbred by parentage, the hybridizer, Crandall, chose to register it as a TB, perhaps because he felt it lacked sufficient aril characteristics. Good luck hybridizing with it - sometimes the "not supposed to be fertile" types can be helpful in widening the gene pool.
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Some from today.
John
Almost Apricot
Desert Finery
Refiners Fire and Byzantine Ruby
Onlooker
Sheik
another one of Thabor
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Some more.
John
Byzantine Art.
Esther the Queen
I. stolonifera Network
Picture of the front beds in bloom
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Exactly right Tom. I am growing a seedling of Ed Pickin's that is "Turkish Topaz x At the Threshold".
Turkish Topaz has never been fertile for anyone but Ed had not heard this ;D
Thanks for sharing this, John. I ordered some plants of 'Turkish Topaz' this year with the intention of hybridizing with it. It's a bit of a mystery to me. It is registered as a regelia hybrid from a cross of "two stolonifera seedlings". Of course, "stolonifera seedling" need not mean pure stolonifera, and most people seem to think of it as an RB+. Oddly, though, it was counted at 43 chromosomes, which makes one think pure stolonifera (44) is a more likely possibility than an arilbred with one or two sets of TB chromosomes, which would make it 45 or 46. And of course it closely resembles I. stolonifera, but more different from the known species clones than those are from one another.
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A few more.
John
Gideon's Lamp
Tribute to Rex
another shot of the beds
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Some more.
John
Antiope
Dresden Gold
Kiosk
Gelee Royale
Sunset Warrior
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'Honey Not Tonight' (McAllister 2007)
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I am astounded by the variety of blooms shown in this ( and other ) Iris threads..... so many "showgirl flowers" strutting their floral stuff.... the growers equivalent of an expensive lingerie store! You'd wonder there was that much fancy silk in the world, wouldn't you, for I'm sure that's what these blooms are made of! ;)
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I am astounded by the variety of blooms shown in this ( and other ) Iris threads..... so many "showgirl flowers" strutting their floral stuff.... the growers equivalent of an expensive lingerie store! You'd wonder there was that much fancy silk in the world, wouldn't you, for I'm sure that's what these blooms are made of! ;)
Hi Maggi. Now do you see why I started a separate thread? This is why I am an "arilnut"
You won't find the colors and patterns like the Arils in any other genus of flower.
And I'm not done yet ;D
John B
Springscape
a Jim Whitely seedling
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Correction to reply #15. Had wrong name on the photo "Frank Rice". It is "Emerald Fantasy".
And a better pic of "Renee".
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John, I've edited the name in the text of your post#15 for you.
Thanks for sharing your iris obsession!
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2 more late openers today.
John
Blue Arts
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here is the first flower open on Speckled Bird. Clearly showing its aril heritage. First shot is mornings, second is from early evening.
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And some more.
John
Fire in the Hole
Mean Mr. Mustard
Oyez
Qumron Canary
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And More
John
Stolen Heart
White Arts
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So many photos of ABs that I have never seen before. Thanks so much John for posting them.
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Is there any way these can grow in a zone 8 N. Irish garden that usually has wet winters? Where do you guys buy your plants?
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Your best bet is to join the Aril Society International Mark. I can send you some too.
Yes you could grow them provided you keep excess rain off in winter and keep them dry in summer.
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Hi Mark. They should do well as long as you have good drainage. For the AB's I do this in
2 main ways. Build a raised bed at least 4 inches above the surrounding turf and til in lots of
gravel into the top 3 inches of dirt. The other is to plant on my east side of the yard that
slopes 7 inches in 4 feet down to the curb. The pure Arils and 3/4 breds I build higher beds
and after the gravel mixed with native dirt I add a 2 or 3 inch layer of pure gravel on top.
My native dirt is a rich black loam. I have over 200 different cultivars and several species
doing very well. Over 120 of these will have bloomed this year when all is done.
I grow for the ASI overseas sale exclusively, there will be 72 varieties on the list this year.
If you join soon you will get the list the first week of June. http://www.arilsociety.org/index.pl?Membership
John B
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Four new ones today.
John
Charming Image
Falcon Flight
Lakeside Elf another bad wind day
Persian Padishah one of my favorites
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Good bit of PR Peter and John ;D
How lucky you people are in the northern hemisphere being able to order from the ASI plant sale. I can only admire the photos of many of them.
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I grow for the ASI overseas sale exclusively, there will be 72 varieties on the list this year.
If you join soon you will get the list the first week of June. http://www.arilsociety.org/index.pl?Membership
John B
If that doesn't tempt folk to take out membership I don't know what will.... what a great opportunity!! 8)
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Thanks Peter and John
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So Maggi, are you going to sign up????????
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Am I being a nuisance?
More today.
John
Desert Mirage
Rebecca's Veil
English Eyes
Another view of Jonnye's Magic
Sylphide
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Yes, a terrible(y) expensive nuisance! ::) I am really awed by you gardening technique. How wet is it in Autumn and early Winter? Do you need to protect for rain?
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This is Nefret (OGB-), my first ever AB in flower.
I bought three OGB- from the ASI Plant Sale 2009. I lost one soon, and the others were not flowering in 2010. This year both are flowering but the flowers were devastated by a late frost two days ago. I seems the buds survived, so I can enjoy them again soon.
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Thomas it is good to see one of your ABs - there I was thinking you didn't grow them - only photograph them.
Pat
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A classic amongst the Regeliocyclus, Dardanus. Here are a few shots, as I really love this flower. Quite easy in the garden or in a pot, where it seems to like a bit of feeding.
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Yes, a terrible(y) expensive nuisance! ::) I am really awed by you gardening technique. How wet is it in Autumn and early Winter? Do you need to protect for rain?
Hi Jamie. Was just reviewing this thread and realized I had not answered your question.
No I do not give any protection to them. We had a couple inches rain the last week
of December and the surface remained wet til this week and everything looks great.
My onco's and regelia's put on tremendous fall growth starting in October. The AB's the same.
Regelia species will normally wait till spring to put up leaves but are exceptional now.
Almost scares me for winter kill. If all come thru I should have great pics to post in a few
months.
John
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Janis
Four new ones today.
John
Charming Image
Falcon Flight
Lakeside Elf another bad wind day
Persian Padishah one of my favorites
Only now checked this entry (last two pages). Don't like Falcon Flight and Lakeside Elf. I'm 100% sure - both are virus infected. Pity! :'(
Janis
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I went back to look and admire some of the cultivars When I saw Janis's post - I have to agree with Janis over Falcon, partly because of the foliage.
I can't see virused foliage on Lake side - there was a discussion, a year or two back, on colour flecks in Iris flowers not nessescarily being viral. I don't like them but they are fashionable. However the flower also looks a little distorted.... :'(
Looking closely though the flower looks good, the foliage on the Persian Padisha picture is not good. I do like this flower.
I would be watching the emerging leaves carefully if I still had these plants. Virus is the biggest problem with rhizomatous Iris and it spreads too quickly to risk keeping
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I had a lab test Persian Padishah and it was positive.
I am tossing any questionable.
John
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'Aladdin's Gem', a fertile aril/pumila hybrid, blooming in my garden this evening.
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Tom I like that little one.
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Hello everybody, I'm a new member although I see there are several well known members from ASI here too ;)
This is a seedling from Donald Eaves's crossing Zerzura X Tel Aviv
sown in february 2009 and flowering for the first time.
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Welcome Filippo to this forum. Lovely bloom well worth the wait from 2009.
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Greetings to you in Italy, Filippo. Welcome to the Forum.
Iris are tremendously photogenic, aren't they?
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'Mohric Mystery' (1/4 aril)
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'Zwanenburg' - historic arilbred dwarf, introduced 100 years ago!
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Tetraploid aril 'Werckmeister's Beauty' opened today!
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Tetraploid aril 'Dunshanbe'
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Now some arilbreds: Navajo Velvet, Oyez, Noble Warrior, Honey Not Tonight, Loud and Rowdy, Stars Over Chicago, and Loudmouth.
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'Loudmouth' grows well, doesn't it? that is a well flowered clump!
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Yes, Maggi - it's phenomenal this year. (A minor cheat: that's actually two second-year clumps next to each other.) :)
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Yes, Maggi - it's phenomenal this year. (A minor cheat: that's actually two second-year clumps next to each other.) :)
You shouldn't have told me that...... just take the glory!
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Tom, they all look pretty good!
I like the ones like Loud and Rowdy with the distinctive spot on the falls.
cheers
fermi
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A good selection Tom.
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My only Arilbred. It came from Geoff Wilson and I think it his raising 'Domingo'. It does really well here if given some protection from rain in summer.
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Doushanbe is in full bloom at the moment with 6 stems
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Some years ago I have got an I. paradoxa -Imported from USA, but it looks like an Arilbred with a lot of stolonifera-blood
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Now some arilbreds: Navajo Velvet, Oyez, Noble Warrior, Honey Not Tonight, Loud and Rowdy, Stars Over Chicago, and Loudmouth.
So many nice things there Tom to drool over but Oyez is just stunning.
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Gerhard I wonder if Elm Jensen would know its name. Let me know if you need his contact details.
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I have used my Iris iberica var. elegantissima pollen on my Iris suaveolens and Dwarf bearderd hybrid Captive Sun,both have taken and the pods are swelling ;D
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Gerhard I wonder if Elm Jensen would know its name. Let me know if you need his contact details.
Would be happy with the contact. The first pict should be Totem, the second pict is the I. stolonifera hybrid
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Re-activated this thread rather than add to the Iris thread proliferation.
These are all from Aril Society Internaional seed, sown in October 2014, germinated spring 2015 so only two years to flowering.
The first two are from the same seed packet (ASI 2014, number 24. 'Tien Shan' x 'Thunderstorm'). The first pictured is not a great plant - small crumpled looking flowers on tall stems.
The next is ASI 2014, number 17 - 'Lights of Arabia' X ('Bronze Flash' X 'At Last'). The flower resembles 'Tien Shan' which made me wonder if the label has been switched with the above (ignore the image numbering - I know they are out of sequence).
The last one is the nicest. ASI 2014 number 14: 'Fire in the Hole' X either 'Stun Gun' or 'Netted Bronze'
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A reminder of the website of forumist Tom Waters - http://www.telp.com/irises/index.htm (http://www.telp.com/irises/index.htm)
Tom has had another article published in the Medianite, journal of MIS ( http://www.irises.org/ (http://www.irises.org/) )
- 'Coming to Terms with Arilbred Medians'
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but the article is also available on his website......
http://www.telp.com/irises/index.htm (http://www.telp.com/irises/index.htm)
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Thanks Maggi!
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Most hybrids between arils or arilbreds and dwarf or median bearded irises are infertile. However, if a tetraploid aril is used with Iris pumila, fertile arilbred dwarfs result. Here are two cultivars of this type. 'Aladdin's Gem' is from a tetraploid aril of predominantly oncocyclus ancestry, 'Topaz Talisman' is from Iris stolonifera. Both photos from my garden this week.
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Iris afghanica
(https://up.picr.de/32448683ds.jpg)
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Wonderful Ebbie!
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Tom's latest Blog on the "Aril Trek" https://theamericanirissociety.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/aril-trek-2018.html
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Tom's latest Blog on the "Aril Trek" https://theamericanirissociety.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/aril-trek-2018.html
Oh my!
A trek worth making!
cheers
fermi
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open yesterday
I. kirkwoodii
And last week
Andromache
John
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Two cultivars of Iris stolonifera: 'Merlin's Magic' and 'Network'
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Tetraploid regeliocycli 'Tadzhiki Bandit', 'Dunshanbe', and 'Ballalaika Music'
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oncocyclus Iris paradoxa
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Voilą - Vera Olivia
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Iris 'Babylon Prince', in my wet climate i grow it on very rocky soil