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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: David Nicholson on January 27, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
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Some beautiful Irises being shown from Australia and New Zealand in the Iris threads so I must show my minor triumph.
Iris unguicularis has flowered for me (at last!) and I think it was 2007 when it last flowered. So far only one flower but I'll settle for that. It's a lost label so if anyone can hazard a guess at a name that would be a double bonus.
It's going quite mad now. I had another flower in early December, and now today, one open and one more to come by the end of the week. Yes, I know, the plant does look a bit tatty.
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Tatty maybe, but a nice blast of colour!!
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can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?
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As it is another miserable day, I thought I would cheer people up with some shots of Oncocyclus iris from my Iran 2010 trip.
We were in the far NW of Iran in an area famed for its Christian churches - the reason for visiting the area.
We had not expected to see such a magnificent display of Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima.
The iris were located not far from this - imagine waking up every morning to this vista. It is of course Mt Ararat
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In another location, not many miles away, we found what we thought might be a hybrid swarm between Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima and Iris lycotis.
The last photo is Iris lycotis photographed in 2004 at the Razan Pass.
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Great great great pictures Art ! and so fantastic plants :)
You're very lucky to have seen them in nature.
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Thanks for the wonderful iberica photos, Art!
Davey, I. humilis does have an aril, but it is small and inconspicuous, not pronounced as in oncos and regelias.
Tom
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can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?
Davey,
I have had seed of this species before and it does have a small aril. Not as large as oncocyclus and regelia, but certainly there.
Jamie
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Great set of images Arthur.
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can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?
probably this could help:
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-humilis+3
So I. humilis doesn`t belong to Arils, it belongs to section Psammiris
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Arthur, many thanks for this wonderful picts, it would be a dream for me to visit such a place one day.....
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Thank you Tom and Jamie I'm 100% sure it isn't Iris Humilis then i'll post a pic of the seed tomorrow.
Gerhard I knew Humilis belong to section Psammiris but was sure it had a small aril just needed to clarify thank you for answering though.
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can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?
probably this could help:
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-humilis+3
So I. humilis doesn`t belong to Arils, it belongs to section Psammiris
Gerhard,
I would classify it as an aril. One of the four families: oncocyclus, regelia, psaudoregelia and psammiris. Apparently, all families a partially fertile in crosses with each other, although, agreed, psammiris is the farthest relative.
Jamie
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What about the arils on the physocaulons, and I think some other junos, then? ::) :P ::) ;D
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Fantastic marvellous photos Arthur. How lucky you were to go there to see them insitu. My dream of the future.
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can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?
probably this could help:
http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-humilis+3
So I. humilis doesn`t belong to Arils, it belongs to section Psammiris
Gerhard,
I would classify it as an aril. One of the four families: oncocyclus, regelia, psaudoregelia and psammiris. Apparently, all families a partially fertile in crosses with each other, although, agreed, psammiris is the farthest relative.
Jamie
It is new for me, that Psammiris is a member of Arils. Do you know about a man made intersectional hybrid with a member of Psammiris ? It would be great to get a pict. I´m mainly a collector of pure species, so I don`t know about such a hybrid.
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We've seen 'em before during your lecture Art, but we can never get enough of them !! ;D
Magnificent pictures !!
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Gerhard,
unfortunately, no. I am planning on attempting such hybrids in the coming years, to recreate some purported hybrids. I have to get the Psammiris to adulthood, first. Currently, I have only humilis and hopefully bloudowii comming along. Also, if you reference Köhlein's book, he places the Psammiris under the genus sub-section Regelia. Same chromosome count, but I don't know if this is enough evidence to submerge them into Regelia.
Jamie
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Jamie, Gerhard, I believe there were some registerd hybreds but I have forgotten their names, I could find out if anyone is desperate for them though.
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Peter,
most kind, but I'm not that far along. I did make a list of purported fertile crosses, but can't find it on the computer. If you run across something over time, do let me know. Just no real rush. ;)
Jamie
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The term "aril" was originally coined by Lloyd Austin, and intended to include oncocyclus, regelia, psammiris, and pseudoregelia. Some years ago, however, the Aril Society International narrowed the definition to oncocyclus and regelia only.
There was a great interest in the psammirises around the middle of the last century. A number of intersection hybrids were produced, mostly with dwarf bearded (I. lutescens cutlivars), but also a few with regelias. I don't believe any of these are still in cultivation.
Although the psammirises will cross with bearded irises, oncos, and regelias, the resulting hybrids are sterile or nearly so. This group is quite isolated, unlike the oncos and regelias which can be interbred indefinitely.
Tom
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Those are quite stunning Arthur :o
Thank you for showing them.
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The term "aril" was originally coined by Lloyd Austin, and intended to include oncocyclus, regelia, psammiris, and pseudoregelia. Some years ago, however, the Aril Society International narrowed the definition to oncocyclus and regelia only.
There was a great interest in the psammirises around the middle of the last century. A number of intersection hybrids were produced, mostly with dwarf bearded (I. lutescens cutlivars), but also a few with regelias. I don't believe any of these are still in cultivation.
Although the psammirises will cross with bearded irises, oncos, and regelias, the resulting hybrids are sterile or nearly so. This group is quite isolated, unlike the oncos and regelias which can be interbred indefinitely.
Tom
Thanks for the infos, Tom,
I'm hoping to recreate and go a bit further in this direction, mainly just to see. As you say, these previous crosses are most likely lost to cultivation. Do you know if any were brought to the tetraploid level, as amphidiploids?
welcome on board. You're gonna like love this group.
Jamie
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Thanks for the welcome, Jamie.
No, none were raised to tetraploidy. This was mostly Walter Welch in the 1940s and others of that era, interested in breeding dwarf bearded. This was before the theory of amphidiploids was publicized, and before people started using colchicine on irises.
I wish you success in working with them; they've been neglected recently, since those initial forays did not pan out as expected, and since the Aril Society disowned them.
I planted I. bloudowii seeds this year, and am keeping a lookout for I. humilis. I think it would be interesting to cross the available species, and see what range of variation emerges.
BTW, although early counts of arenaria and flavissima showed 2n=22, later counts of various psammiris species have shown various chromosome numbers. Some are reported on the AIS Iris Encyclopedia. I don't think anyone really has a clear picture of these irises' affinities or evolutionary relationships yet.
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FWIW, I compiled a list of all registered psammiris derivatives when I worked on the Checklist of Arilbred Dwarf and Medians for the MIS. Here they are:
Arenaphylla Gay Flirt Pumar Alpha
Bricky Glow Gleam Pumar Beta
Bronya Jenny Sunaire
Buster Brown Keepsake Tampa
Butter Ball Mist o’ Pink Tiny Treasure
Cream Tart Morning Light Ylo
Cup and Saucer Promise
(sorry about the formatting)
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Wonderful the coincidences that appear in life, isn't it? In another Forum page, Great Moravian gave a link to a new Czech publication......
Quote from: Great Moravian on Today at 02:58:43 PM
Images of a few Patagonian plants in the latest issue of the
Klub skalničkářů Brno publication Skalničkářův rok
http://www.skalnicky-brno.cz/doc/pr63.doc
And what should I find there but a photo of a plant recently mentioned here... Iris bloudowii ... listed in the paper as Iris bloudovii..... enjoy!
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Superb pictures Arthur!! Thanks for showing them here!
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There was a great interest in the psammirises around the middle of the last century. A number of intersection hybrids were produced, mostly with dwarf bearded (I. lutescens cutlivars), but also a few with regelias. I don't believe any of these are still in cultivation.
Are you able to give names of any of these hybrids Tom? I seem to remember something of the kind from my early Iris days (joined NZIS about 1960 I think) and there are a lot of irises still in gardens here whose origins and names have been forgotten by the trade at least. Some names could be familiar to me and the irises still could be grown here. They would have been imported from the USA probably or from the UK.
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Gosh, I just looked at the link from Great Moravian and am stunned by the Patagonian pictures there. Names and plants to make one believe in God!
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Sorry, I've been leapfrogging a little and missed a couple of posts. Tom, the list you give in post #1511, are these the crosses I'm asking about in reply #1514? If so, some are definitely still in cultivation here in New Zealand.
I myself have Bricky, Keepsake, Mist o' Pink, Tiny Treasure, Cream Tart and Cup and Saucer. I know Buster Brown, Morning Light and Promise are still around but I don't know the others.
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Hello Lesley,
Wow! Very nice to know these little ones are still being grown (in NZ at least!)...they are a nice little bit of iris history.
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Lesley,
me heart just skipped a beat. Wow, they are still alive and well and living in New Zealand. Now, I just need to get a few into my hot little hands. Do you know an exporting nursery? Do you have any pictures you can post? Have you ever had pods on any of them? This is exciting!
:-* your best buddy in Europe (schmooz, schmooz),
j.
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Jamie, hope Lesley can help you.
A quick google search found this- http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Main/SpecHumilis
I'm sure some of the names will still be in commerce if you look look long enough
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Peter,
I've been doing this. I may have found a collector in Germany with Arenaphylla, but I have yet to locate any of the others. Doing searches hasn't been as straight foreward as expected. Did you know we have thousands of entries for iris cup and suacer, all made of porcelain! ::)
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Been there, its a pain, try putting in another word (eg rhizome) and you can specify all words in the advanced search. I can find the hybredisers and perhaps some of their old addresses from the registration books if you want.
Do you know that Graham Nicholls stocks I humilis in the UK?
sorry not got any to spare my self at the moment.
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Firstly, I don't think any of the local iris nurseries export or would want the hassles but I'll put a couple of addresses in case anyone wants to contact them.
Secondly, no I've not had seed on any of them but then I've not been trying for it,
Thirdly if I were to hand pollinate, what would I use. I don't have either humilis or bloudovii at present.
Fourthly, the only one I have a picture of at present, is 'Mist o' Pink' and I'll put it here. Mine are all small plants but I have occasionally sent rhizomes from the SH to the NH so when they're a little bigger.....
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Like on the snowdrop thread, the server has gone out for coffee. I'll try the pic again.
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This is what I was given as 'Tiny Treasure' but someone had better confirm please. If it's not, then I don't have that one. Whatever this is, it is a honey, just 6cms high in flower. Unfortunately I've almost lost it now (this was about 5 years ago) and I've been able to rescue just a single tiny rhizome, now in a trough.
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Lesley,
thanks for posting the foto. 'Mist o' Pink' is a lovely thing, isn't it. The second foto has the file name 'April Accent', not 'Tiny Treasure', is this a mix up? Cute, in any case. Sorry to hear it's not doing too well at the moment.
I've still not found anyone offering any of these cultivars in Europe or the US.
If I were trying a cross with them, I would probably try an aril-bred or TB and hope. They are certainly unbalanced diploids with an 8-11 chromosome set or similar. They may need to be converted to the tetraploid level to get progeny. Probably why they wern't followed up in hybridising.
ciao,
Jamie
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Indeed, that Mist-o-pink is a real little treasure !
Very delicate colours !
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Ron McBeath of Lamberton nurseries is also listing Iris humilis.
"Green Spot" - a parent of at least one of these Psamiris hybreds is notoriously unstable - randomly throwing up monsterous flowers missing style arms or with extra falls, yet it is an old cultivar with a proven ability to survive.
Perhaps it's instability provides the qualities nesescary for improbable intersectional crosses??
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Thanks for the fascinating pictures, Lesley! I'm somewhat skeptical of 'Tiny Treasure' since it looks very much like an I. pumila cultivar, and doesn't show the I. humilis flower form which 'Mist o' Pink' displays so nicely. Also, the registration data says 'Tiny Treasure' is 25 cm in height. Even allowing for variable growing traditions, that seems a very large difference.
Interestingly, 'Tiny Treasure' is a rare second-generation seedling from I. humilis with a chamaeris dwarf. It's pod parent is 'Ylo' (I. humilis x chamaeiris) and it's pollen parent is reportedly I. humilis. A chromosome count was done, and it has 31 chromosomes, presumably 8+12+11, the same as one would expect of 'Ylo'. The implication is that 'Ylo' managed to produce a chamaeiris-like 8+12 gamete!
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Jamie,
Most of these are not diploids, but unbalanced triploids with one set each of 8 and 12 chromosomes from the chamaeiris-type parent and one set of 11 from the psammiris.
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The photo does match the description of 'April Accent', which is an MDB from 'Brassie' x an I.pumila seedling.
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Thanks for the note Jamie. At one time I thought it might be 'April Accent' but was told by the donor (30 years ago!)that it was 'Tiny Treasure,' so the mistake is mine. However, having said that, if anyone recognises it as NOT TT, please let me know. I hate having my plants wrongly named.
I've just read your latest post Tom, so perhaps I'd better re-name again or at least remove the TT label.
We have 'Green Spot' here too and I have never found it other than a jolly good iris, vigorous and flowering well, the flowers always well-shaped. I've not seen anything of the oddities you mention Peter.
It would be correct to say that nowadays we in NZ import almost no very dwarf bearded irises at all so that anything from overseas is almost certainly an old or older variety. Even talls are becoming fewer yearly, our import restrictions are so impossible to deal with. We are getting a lot of new dwarfs each year from 4 or 5 local breeders and in general they're very good, being bred to local conditions. Most though, are bred for North Island conditions, damper winters, hotter, more humid summers and so taller species and cultivars are used. My particular love is for very tiny vars which need smaller species to start with. But while I. humilis is in NZ, I'd be very surprised if anyone is using it for breeding. If I were 30 years younger.....
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Just while on the ID subject can anyone identify this arilbred for me please? I bought it once as susiana. NOT.
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Lesley,are you sure your beautiful Iris is an Arilbred? -the shape of the flower indicates an Oncohybrid (arilbreds rarly have such perfect Onco looking flowers - exceptions may be some newer Arilbreds of Pete Mc Grath and Caroline Chacon). Do not think yours has a cultivar name, but I might be wrong (have hardly any experience with Oncohybrids).
Here first Iris suaveolens started to flower.
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Superb Hans !
Looks like in the wild... (except onco leaves in the background ;D )
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Hans I'm not at all sure that it isn't an onco hybrid. It came to me as susiana maybe 15 years ago and the source had had it from a private importation under that name so it has been in NZ at least 20 years, probably more so it isn'r a new form. It has proved reilable because even though it fails to flower occasionally if I've let it get neglected and overgrown with other things, a tidy up and some high potassium fertilizer brings it back to bloom the next spring. I'd not wish to be without it. :)
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Lesley I have asked a couple of ASI members for their thoughts. I will let you know more later.
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Lesley,
take a look at the rhizome. A pure onco or regelia would have a very distinct look, not resembling a typical bearded iris. They are finer and tend to have the look of small, round bodies connected to each other, rather than the thick ginger-like look of a classic bearded or arilbred. I'm pretty sure yours is an arilbred with very good form. It reminds me of plants from Sharon McAllister's hybridising work.
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Pete McGrath has suggested:
"It could possibly be Golden Lavender by David Shahak.
Wayfaring Stranger by Gene Hunt?
Looks a little like Welcome Reward but probably not enough veining in the standards."
From the ASI checklist:
GOLDEN LAVENDER OGB+ (David Shahak, R. 1980). Sdlg. ST 76S. AB, 25.5” (65 cm), L. S. lavender with yellow veins; F. light yellow brown heavily dotted blue purple toward dark purple signal; brown yellow beard. I. samariae x S T 72-126, arilbred seed). Tira Nurseries, 1980. [AAT]
WAYFARING STRANGER OGB (Eugene Hunt by Sharon McAllister, R. 1988). Sdlg. ORB 88-2. AB, 29" (74 cm), E-M. S. lavender; F. smoky tan with violet flush and smoky red dotting and veining from hafts to beard; deep maroon signal; grayed orange beard. Parentage lost. Aril Society, 1988.
WELCOME REWARD OB (Eugene Sundt by Lois Rich, R. 1971). Sdlg. S59119. AB, 27" (69 cm), L. S. lilac veined deeper, bronze flush part way up rib; F. gold bronze, haft veined mahogany on gold, pinkish flush on lower half; dark brown signal; golden brown beard; gold style crests. Austin W142-O (onco interspecies) X Pink Formal. Aril Society, 1971. [44chr] [AATT] [SP & PP]
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Welcome Reward was the first to come to mind, but it doesn't look quite right. May be a child of WR. Sharon McAllister used this plant extensively in her earlier breeding, as have quite a few others.
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Here they are for comparison Lesley.
Lesley's unk
Golden Lavender 1980 OGB+ over 1/2 aril blood
Wayfaring stranger 1988 OGB 1/2 aril blood
John B
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It has proved reilable because even though it fails to flower occasionally if I've let it get neglected and overgrown with other things, a tidy up and some high potassium fertilizer brings it back to bloom the next spring.
Doubt any Onco would stand this in NZ - should be an Arilbred like Golden Lavender John has posted, even OGB+ have the fame of not beeing the easiest to grow.
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True Hans it would need a lot of tb blood in it.
Thanks John for putting all the photos together.
Lesley I am hoping that Adele and Wayne Harrison in Central Otago who grow lots of arilbreds will do an article for the ASI Yearbook.
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Thanks for everyone's thoughts and suggestions. I'm positive it is not either of the two pictured below mine. The falls of mine are a clear lavender, while the others seem to have less colour.
To my shame, it HAS been quite neglected from time to time and didn't flower this last spring as a result. It is still growing quite well but does need lifting, dividing and replanting with some high potash fert as suggested. It is, at present almost entirely overgrown and obscured by a larger-than-it-should-be plant (shrubby) of Salvia microphylla. I'd have to say that given the neglect, it actually is very easy to grow, but it does remain aridly dry through most summers when we rarely have rain and the large trough it occupies has a high grit/gravel content so perfect drainage even in a damp summer like the present one.
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Lesley,
I wouldn't be too quick to rule out 'Golden Lavender'. I think the photo is overexposed, bleaching out the standards. The description clearly states lavender standards. 'Wayfaring Stranger' appears to have yellow styles, which would rule it out.
I'm actually leaning toward 'Welcome Reward', which has the advantage of having been much more widely distributed than the other two, and being only 1/2 aril, probably easier to maintain in your climate that 'Golden Lavender'.
Tom
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Photo of 'Welcome Reward'
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The shape is different Tom especially in the standards which cup over to make a globe, they don't point upwards. The colouring in my pic is just about true.
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Do you have iris breeders there who sell their unnamed seedlings?
Or, if your supplier grew it from seed marked 'susiana', it could be
an unnamed hybrid.
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No, we have no breeders of onco or arilbred irises at all. I don't think we ever did have. The donor did have susiana in her garden, I had seen it previously so I think when she offered it to me, she simply dug in the wrong place. She was in her 80s at the time and has since died. She also gave it to a friend we had in common, in the far north of the North Island. He received this one too.
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Even if this discussion hasn't given me definitive answers, it has at last prompted me to do something about it. I've dug it up and dusted it off to some extent and now can show a picture of the rhizomes. They are, as new growths, reasonably round rather than long, and I don't think are thick enough to have tall beareds in them. Though there is some material to be trimmed away, there are at least 25 growing points with tiny white tips. Even if it doesn't flower for a couple of years, it should survive and hopefully flower in due course.
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Having dug it, I'll now go out and pot it with some Trichoderma fungus granules and a little high potash fertilizer, not too much. I realize the foliage, what remains of it looks dreadful but this is, after all the dead end of the bearded iris season and I would normaly expect some new growth following autumn rains (April).
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Well it certainly has onco-like rhizomes to me. And there is new growth coming.
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I agree with Pat, a very strong oncocyclus look to the rhizomes. I would say it is most likely a threequarter-bred, with 25% TB genetics, but it could be 100% aril. Don't forget, it could be part regelia, as well, but only a small amount, considering the form.
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Lesley Alison Nicoll registered Gentle Song in 2006 Chubby Cheeks x Tabriz.
I can send you a list privately of the NZ members of ASI
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That could be useful thanks Pat.
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Yes the rhizome look like Onco.
Today started to flower one of my "test tube babies", a cross of a triploid Arilbred with an Oncogelia, it has formed a good clump, but as the Rhizome is very compact I still could not make any divisions. The flower opened today so it still has not the typical Oncoform.
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Gorgeous seedling, Hans. Don't think I've ever seen quite that combination of colors.
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It is beautiful Hans. I love the speckling and the very dark signal. :P
Even better on a second look, with the lovely bronze beard and style arms. A real gem. 8)
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How lovely Hans and it looks like it has plenty of pollen. Add some more speckling with lortettii maybe ;)
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Tom, Lesley and Pat, thanks a lot, glad you like it - here a picture I took today, think the shape looks something better and more typical.
Pat, I tried to pollinate this one, but I doubt this plant will be fertile. ::)
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Very nice flower.... for an hybrid ! ;D ;)
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Hans why do you say it wouldn't be fertile - try both ways just for fun then.
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Hans, a very pretty flower! The speckling and strong signal are a delight.
I would expect it to be fertile. The chances are very good it is either diploid or tetraploid. Another triploid is unlikely. The wild card would be with the arilbred. Do you know what plant it was?
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Very nice flower.... for an hybrid ! ;D ;)
Thanks ;D ;)
Pat, Jamie,
parents of this plant are two plants I had received from Harald Mathes - a triploid Arilbred (Dotted Sunsuit AAB) and a tetraploid Oncogelia (AAAA). Embryos I grew up in steril medium in test tubes.
Had talked with him about this hybrid and he told me as DS is triploid (AAB) there are following possibilities:
1) AA + A. triploid, low fertility.
2) AA + AB. tetraploide ¾-bred, low fertility.
3) AA + AAB. pentaploide Arilbred. possibly fertile.
Best results might be obtained by backcrossing on the tetraploid Oncogelia - resulting plants could be again tetraploid Oncogelias (which could be used to produce new Arilbreds) - but I will also try to cross it with its sibling.
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I can see why it is important to keep meticulous records. ;D Whatever its breeding future or lack of it, I hope it thrives for you Hans and I look forward to a picture of a big flowering clump in a year or two. :D
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Another rare Iris from this week, this time in the Golan Height,
I. grant-duffii.
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Oron,
wonderfull! I had no idea how this iris grew in nature. It has always fascinated me Is seed collectable or is this a protected species? It's been on my wish list for a while. Are there other colour forms in the area?
Thanks for sharing these.
Jamie
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how lovely Oron! The habitat looks quite verdant at this time of year
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Beautiful Oron. Brian Mathew says it smells faintly of Primroses-did you notice that at all?
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Thanks all,
Iris grant-duffi is very rare,
Only few dozen clumps still growing in Israel.
While the population in the Golan-Height [syrian territory] is doing better, although growing only in one small area.
As all bulbous plant in Israel, this species is highly protected by low and is on the Red List.
Its habitat are flooded areas or by streams.
Bulb is deep in the ground 20-40 cm.
David, it does have a nice sent, cant say if similar to Primrose, is it isn't very common in the desert.. ;)
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David, it does have a nice sent, cant say if similar to Primrose, is it isn't very common in the desert.. ;)
;D ;D ;D
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I have one seed grown plant which has never flowered in at least 10 years. It comes up and dies down each year - I am scared to move it. I would like to feed it with something to increase the likelihood of flowers. Any suggestions?
Pat
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I have one seed grown plant which has never flowered in at least 10 years. It comes up and dies down each year - I am scared to move it. I would like to feed it with something to increase the likelihood of flowers. Any suggestions?
Pat
Pat,
It should do well for you as the climate is same as for Oncos, which you grow perfectly.
I would try to change it's position, when completely dormant in Autumn.
It requires full sun all day, wet, rich heavy soil that would dry completely in summer.
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Oron the conditions are a big ask here as the creek is highly saline so the banks of that are out of the question. Maybe below the dam where it seeps slightly if it ever has lots of water (neighbours put in a dam above our property)
It doesn't look as though grazing animals eat it.
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Another photo from the same location, this time with Anemone coronaria.
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Wow Oron! :o :o :o
Which great pictures of Iris grant-duffi and its habitat! Thanks for sharing them!
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Oron is that a road near the power lines at the top of the bank? If it is a road does that bank get run off water from the road?
Still thinking where I could more Iris grant-duffii - if there is evidence that I could divide it and leave some where it is and move some do you think that a good idea?
Our access track from the front gate down to the house yard has spots where water runs off the road. Which way - north, south, east, west? does the slope face that you have shown us?
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Oron you don't happen to have a photo of the same site in summer?
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Oron, your last picture is like a painting ! :o :o
splendid !!! this landscape with such nice plants looks like eden, congratulations.
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Oron, Pat,
looking at the field foto, I get the idea this is a watershed habitat. Plants with deep enough roots would almost always have moisture available. Only the top 50cm of soil probably get really dry, if that. I would expect these species would benefit from a bit more water that expected, when in cultivation, just as many oncos do. It may be they are disappearing in the wild due to a dropping watertable, caused by intensive agriculture elsewhere.
Just a thought....
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A privilege to see I grant-duffii in flower or at all! One of those legendry species one wondered if it even really existed. ::)
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Whatever its breeding future or lack of it, I hope it thrives for you Hans and I look forward to a picture of a big flowering clump in a year or two. :D
Thanks a lot, Lesley - it is for sure an Arilbred (produces 2 flowers per stalk) - and I am already happy how it performs this year. ;)
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Wow Hans that is a really nice clump
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Thanks Pat!
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After work today I went to the landscape supplier near work with my buckets and large containers in the boot of my car to get 7ml gravel. (if you want a job well done do it yourself!!!))) I did it yesterday as well so now I can replant some of the arils tomorrow and feel satisfied that they have had the best possible beginning to the season. The ones left in the ground are powering ahead with new growth already !
Also need to pot up some of the seeds that I received this year.
Yesterday when I took out the treated aril and juno seeds which have been soaked and were in perlite in the fridge for over a month there were some germinating well - they are now potted up and out in the weather. I had soaked these seeds longer this year than I normally soak seed.
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the first one in this year (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/riszek.jpg)
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Iris attica 'Purple Form'. Virus?
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Could be frost damage, was it outside this winter David? are the flowers streaked or just deformed?
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Today 'm2', a sibling of 'm1', started to flower - it looks similar an Onco - not the worst one . :D
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Hans that is incredible!
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Thanks a lot Dave, yes this is the same I thought when saw it today. It is the first flower of this plant and so I was very curios how it would look like. I am very pleased with the result.
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It is interesting how some siblings can be nearly the same but others can be quite different. Love the colouring and patterning Hans.
Some atropurpurea embryo cultured by Peter Gras in Sydney and sent to me in test tubes are now out of the dark and on a window sill - green is coming and a second leaf seems to be forming. 9 out of 12 survived - now to see which ones keep growing.
I find this utterly fascinating when you know how tiny the embryo was in the beginning.
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May I make a plea that posters look for the appropriate Iris thread before posting? There are retics and oncos here though each has its own thread and last year at least, bearded irises had a dedicated thread too. It would make finding things later, much easier.
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May I make a plea that posters look for the appropriate Iris thread before posting? There are retics and oncos here though each has its own thread and last year at least, bearded irises had a dedicated thread too. It would make finding things later, much easier.
Hello Lesley, not shure if you meant the plant I have shown ('m2'), maybe some information were missing describing it (parentage same as mentioned for 'm1'). Even if it might look like a pure Onco in this Hybrid (Arilbred) are involved Bearded Iris, Regelias and Oncos, so it might be the best place to post it here.
The next Iris which might be an Onco in this thread was yours. ;)
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Here's a pic of Iris tingitana I posted last year when it survived the winter very well indeed. It didn't survive winter this year though I've lost the lot.
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Yes Hans, I know it was, and that's what I mean in that if I were looking to find mine again, or yours, I'd be looking in the Onco thread rather than here. I don't suppose it matters in the long run but I always find it difficult searching for ANYTHING on the Forum.
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hello,
some pics from today....
iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt005.jpg?t=1301756265)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt006.jpg?t=1301756283)
iris bucharica
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt009.jpg?t=1301756299)
iris nigricans before blooming....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt010.jpg?t=1301756316)
the geophyte field
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt011.jpg?t=1301756084)
nice weekend
cheers
chris
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Some Iris' in my garden today :
1) I. suaveolens, incredibly floriferous - I counted over 35 flowers and buds on this samm plant ! :o
2 and 3) Iris taurica - barely started to flower, but a slug already got hold of it... >:( ... I got hold of the slug afterwards.. ;D
4 and 5) a yellow form of Iris reichenbachii.
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"Nice weekend" he says. How can I when there isn't a single iris in flower? :'(
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hi lesley,
wrong place ;)
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.
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Lovely stuff Christian and Luc.
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Blooming in my garden today: Iris pumila aequiloba and 'Cradle Blue' (Alta Brown 1960), an MDB that is 3/4 I. pumila in ancestry;
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Super beardies people,Tom your Iris pumila aequiloba is very nice.
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Those are both super Tom. I really love the very tinies.
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Tom could you tell us a little more about Iris pumila aequiloba please. It is one that I have not read about or seen before.
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Luc and Chris you both have some lovely species - and grown so well.
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Hi Pat. I got it from Wrightman Alpines in Canada as I. pumila var. aequiloba, although botanical sources do not regard it as a valid taxon, just a cultivar name. Although the photo doesn't show it too well, it has an unusual greenish cast.
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Lovely irises! Can't wait until our snow is finally gone...
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Some Iris' in my garden today :
1) I. suaveolens, incredibly floriferous - I counted over 35 flowers and buds on this samm plant ! :o
2 and 3) Iris taurica - barely started to flower, but a slug already got hold of it... >:( ... I got hold of the slug afterwards.. ;D
4 and 5) a yellow form of Iris reichenbachii.
Luc
Do you take any special precautions over winter? Do you cover with glass?
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No I don't Art ! These are all out in the open without cover at all - they cope very well ! ;)
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Thanks Tom. Does it set seed?
Pat
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Good question Pat! As it is the first pumila to bloom here, I have no pollen to put on it and may never know! It produced nice pollen though, which I have duly harvested for use on the arils when they bloom.
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hello,
i want a id-please...
this iris from asia,Tien-Tschan, with small and relatively short leaves, and small blueish flowers...sorry for the bad photos..... :-[
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki005.jpg?t=1302017281)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki001.jpg?t=1302017327)
iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki002.jpg?t=1302017350)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki003.jpg?t=1302017366)
cheers and thanks
chris
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hello,
i want a id-please...
this iris from asia,Tien-Tschan, with small and relatively short leaves, and small blueish flowers...sorry for the bad photos..... :-[
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki005.jpg?t=1302017281)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki001.jpg?t=1302017327)
iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki002.jpg?t=1302017350)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki003.jpg?t=1302017366)
cheers and thanks
chris
Christian i think your iris is Iris kumaonensis(is that spelt right)
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hello dave,
i think no, the flowers of mine are smaler, not so big..........
thanks
chris
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A pseudoregelia for sure and my guess would be hookeriana (not to be confused with I. setosa hookeri) but I don't know the habitat so maybe I'm way off. Here is a picture of my I. hookeriana.
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hi lesley,
the leaves of mine are 0,5 cm wide and only 10 cm high, i think it is another species.....the flower is only 4 cm in diameter.....i bought it as a unnamed species......
cheers
chris
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Tom can you use the pollen on itself with pumilas?
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Christian what about Iris tigridia or Iris tigridia var. fortis
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Pat, I know some pumilas at least will self, but it seemed wiser to save the pollen for my arils, there being just two blooms - and they chose to open on the windiest day of the year, poor things!
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Christian what about Iris tigridia or Iris tigridia var. fortis
hello dave,
i think you are right, looks like this, thanks a lot for help.....
cheers
chris
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A few dwarfs that have started blooming. The I. attica are from Tony and all from Delphi. I'm doing some pollinating, so we will have seed , fingers crossed, for the SeedEx.
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Here are the I. pumilas
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Excellent dwarf species, Jamie!
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Christian what about Iris tigridia or Iris tigridia var. fortis
hello dave,
i think you are right, looks like this, thanks a lot for help.....
cheers
chris
This was my first guess too Davey, but also there is Iris loczyi and Iris sikkimensis and Iris tenuifolia none of which I know, but a plant of loczyi was exhibited a couple of years ago at an AGS show and featured in the bulletin.
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hello peter,
sikkimensis is too high, tenuifolia has too small leaves....eventually loczyi.....
not so easy..... :(
cheers
chris
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Chris, the flowers on my hookeriana are about 7cms in diameter and as you see from the picture, they come when the foliage is still quite short. It lengthens afterwards to maybe 45cms. I've only ever had one seed pod on it but have 3 small plants from that.
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Iris reichenbachii yellow form, easy going and floriferous species.
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This Iris reichenbachii devotee thanks you, Fred!
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lesley, my plant is only 15 cm in high....nice to hear about your three young plants.....
cheers
chris
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Some more Iris in flower here too :
1-2 Flowering for the first time : Iris korolkowii
3 Iris reichenbachii - yellow form
4 Iris reichenbachii a wine red form
5 Iris taurica
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Luc, I think your purple Iris reichenbachii is I. suaveolens.
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Jamie and Luc,
You both have some lovely plants there and the photography is so incredible. Love the not purple reichenbachii photo and the perfect lines on korolkowii.
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Luc, I think your purple Iris reichenbachii is I. suaveolens.
It's not a very good picture Fred and obviously you only see the flower.
But it's about 30-35 cm high whereas my suaveolens is hardly 10-15 cm high.
It also came from a very reliable source (B&R Wallis) years ago, so I do think the naming is correct. ;)
Thanks Pat !
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Ok Luc, but the shape is very strange.
nice plant anyway :)
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Luc, I think your purple Iris reichenbachii is I. suaveolens.
It's not a very good picture Fred and obviously you only see the flower.
But it's about 30-35 cm high whereas my suaveolens is hardly 10-15 cm high.
It also came from a very reliable source (B&R Wallis) years ago, so I do think the naming is correct. ;)
Thanks Pat !
I find so many of these iris almost identical, especially in pictures, I've resorted to provenance and chromosome counts to be sure what it is. As you may have guessed, the long way around the wall. We really need a comparison chart/collage to aid in IDs amongst dwarf to medium iris. Actually, why stop there, the TB species are not easy, either. No, I'm not volunteering, but would add to such a project. I don't consider myself qualified with iris.
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Here in flower now:
Iris attica
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I have split this previously VERY long thread into sections.
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hello,
some iris pics from today......
iris attica
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei004.jpg?t=1302297848)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei005.jpg?t=1302297871)
my large iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei008.jpg?t=1302297893)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei009.jpg?t=1302297916)
cheers
chris
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Chris i really like your form of I.attica very nice.
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:o
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Chris, that I. suaveolens clump - how old is it, and has it ever been divided?
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hi tom,
It now sits in the third year, and has more than doubled, it grows very compact, and has also never been divided before.
Greetings
chris
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Another pumila is blooming now. I got it from Beaver Creek Greenhouses. Their description is
Iris taurica
Dwarf bearded Iris with short fans of foliage & light yellow blooms atop short stems in mid-spring; these plants were grown from wild seed from Turkey which I must point out is outside the range of Iris taurica according to my references; so either the name under which the seed arrived is incorrect or the references are not complete; either way, this remains a lovely miniature of the Iris pumila persuasion. Just a few available this spring.
Obviously, the blooms of mine are not light yellow, nor does it show any sign of a 3-4 inch stem below the ovary which Koehlein states distinguishes taurica from other pumilas. So it sounds like the plant they describe is not taurica, and the plant they sent me is neither taurica nor the plant they describe! But anyway, I got another pumila, which was all I wanted to begin with!
By the way, this same nursery also sold me an "Iris hoogiana" which bloomed today - a yellow and brown Iris pumila!
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This is 'Aladdin's Gem' (Thoolen 2002), an amphidiploid aril-pumila hybrid.
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Tom I guess that is one of Francesca's bred hybrid. Do you have many of Francesca's as ASI needs as many as possible for the dedication to the late Francesca Thoolen? Thanks for showing us this one Tom.
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Pat,
I believe 'Aladdin's Gem' is the only iris bred by Francesca that was introduced into commerce. At one time, I had other arilpum seedlings of hers, but that was ten years ago before I had to leave my garden behind. I started over last year, so I only have what I can get commercially at this time.
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Here are some iris from my little garden. Very bad iris season again, this year :-\ an not very good pictures...
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I love Iris bicapitata Rafa !!! Beautiful ! :D
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I. bicapitata :o
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I noticed a stray flower on Iris bicapitata on Saturday. I wonder if it will be a repeat bloomer. There is not another iris flower anywhere near as we approach winter.
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Pity that in Australia you can't import seed of any Iris sp. anymore.
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By Iris sp, do you mean you can't import any unknown iris species, which
seems reasonable, or that you can't import seed of any known species of
iris, which does not seem reasonable?
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Call it Iris germanica Pat
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Peter it depends on the sender.
Diane we used to be able to import seed with Iris sp. on it but not now. We do have a very large list of iris species that may come in. It is only the newly discovered ones or if their name is changed to something that is not on the list. If we can supply synonyms we are fine.
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The other day I noticed a flower on Iris bicapitata and a few flowers today at ground level on a clump of Iris lactea. Both usually flower in spring. Strange ::)
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My first Dutch Iris of the year. Last year I photographed my first one on 24 May 2010. It's been a funny old year! ???
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I love that colour combination.(Cadbury's Creme Egg!) Super photo.
Funnily enough, Ian was saying to Angela the other day that he thought we were about a month ahead in some plants.
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I love that colour combination.(Cadbury's Creme Egg!)
Now I might have said-moon rising over snowfields-but then I am the artistic type ;D
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I love that colour combination.(Cadbury's Creme Egg!)
Now I might have said-moon rising over snowfields-but then I am the artistic type ;D
gerrroff! I am artistic.... you should see my technique with a four inch distemper brush...... have a room done a treat in an hour and a half with a nice magnolia paint. :D
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L O L !
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you should see my technique with a four inch distemper brush...... have a room done a treat in an hour and a half with a nice magnolia paint. :D
You wouldn't like to demonstrate here would you? We've several rooms need doing.....
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you should see my technique with a four inch distemper brush...... have a room done a treat in an hour and a half with a nice magnolia paint. :D
You wouldn't like to demonstrate here would you? We've several rooms need doing.....
I've been going to do our spare bedroom for four years now and haven''t managed it yet. You've got the booking Maggi ;D
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Anyone any idea about this tiny one I bought last year during the annual Dutch Rock Garden sales? It is supposed to be from China and hardly exceeding 10 cm in height. Second picture shows the relative size with Corydalis elata, Heleborus thibetanus and Galucidium palmatum in the back.
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Iris henryi - totally hardy, should grow outside but I still have it in a pot.
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Thanx Peter! Potcultivation definitely makes it better to watch as it sort of disappears in the garden, it is THAT tiny.. I had a vision of a carpet of them but now I realise I probably will be old when I have enough of them.... :'(
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Your welcome Pascal,
I know that individual fans can be seperated and grown in the automne, and I expect it would work about now too. Alternatively if you find a piece of another clone, (there is a blue form which I too would like), you might get it to self seed.
I think it is probably better in the ground but for it's size because under glass one winter it got botrytis, this winter it got slaters, I must find a spot for it...
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A nice little Iris lutescens yellow form (yes I know, it's a bit out of focus) that has sulked in a pot without flowering for a couple of years. I released it into the garden about six weeks ago.
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I. lutescens is definitely better off out in the garden David !!
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Yes the iris would be much happier in the ground. While I can admire bonsai I do have a problem with the sense of human control.
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Be free, little one, be free!
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Oh, dear......
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Flowering today in the garden:
Iris attica
and Iris bloudovii
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Congratulations Wim, here Iris blodowii flowerd yesterday while I was out, all finished by the time I got home :'(
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Yes, you have to be quick to catch it Peter, I was just in time a couple of days ago...
1) Iris bloudovii
2) Iris lutescens
3 and 4) Iris reichenbachii
5) Iris attica
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It's also Iris time in Germany, 2 plants raised from Josef Jurasek's seeds,
collected in Mongolia
Iris ruthenica and
Iris spec., looks like Luc's Iris bloudowii.
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I feel somewhat crass breaking in to this series of elegant species to post
some hybrids - unnamed seedling ones at that.
Seedlings of Air Show and Foothill Banner.
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Don't feel crass Diane, thankfully there is room for us all on the forum! I love that Foothill Banner, it's extraordinary ;D
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Can someone tell me how the yellow attica differs from yellow schactii?
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Mark,
Iris schachtii is branched, often with more than one branch. It can be 30 cm tall or so. Iris attica is extremely small, only one bloom per stem, ovary practically resting on the rhizome as in Iris pumila. It has diminutive, falcate foliage. About 10 cm tall at most.
Tom
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Thanks. I therefore have only attica
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Iris reichenbachii from seed sown September 2008 and I. schachtii.
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two from me.
1&2.Iris pumila from David Shaw love the colour.
3.Iris lutescens(i think) sent to me as attica from PC.
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Iris Hylorid
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Noticed this seedling flowering today - one of the first iris for the year.
It is a pseudopumila x aril - I showed it last year.
I was removing dead leaves on another pseudopumila cross next to it and to my dismay I realised they had rotted.
The whole clump has been dug up and any pieces that look ok are soaking in Fongarid - I hope this stops the rot in its tracks.
This is the first of my "babies" to rot. We have had warmth and rain but the night time temps are declining now.
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Pat,
what a cutie! Sad about the rot. One always finds it too late. I'm seeing virus on many imports, possibly due to the stress. I want to think they appeared virus-free in their home gardens, but I suspect virus is MUCH more prevelant than we realize, just not always visible. Good culture is a two way sword. :o
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Here's what I have as Iris 'Paltec', a cross between I. pallida and I. tectorum. We had a discussion last year when I posted this plant (on 20 May 2010, this really is a funny old year) as to whether it was or was not the real I 'Peltec' and both views appeared to make sense!
Also below is Iris setosa ssp canadensis (syn I hookeri). I think, Lesley will know if it is, and if it is she kindly sent me the seed.
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FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!
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Jamie, that is a point! Nitrogen feertilizing masks virus symptoms by turning the green color too intense.
But, newly emerging leaves always show symptoms at the tips.
And, what you say about stress is so true. If the plant changes country (or worse, Hemisphere) and show no symptoms, put your money on it.
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FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!
Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?
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Here some small Irisses which are in flower now:
Iris 'Forever Blue'
Iris 'Open Sky'
Iris schachtii (2 x)
and an unknown, completely white, small bearded Iris
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Hi David. Paltec is solid lavender color and has no beard but a crest. Here is the description from
Iris city Gardens. Mine will bloom in the next week and I'll post a pic. It is also a smaller flower.
than yours.
Did the one I sent to Peter T for you make it?
John B
"PALTEC (Denis 1928)
Bight lavender bloom with gold and white crest area, grows in regular garden soil. A cross between I. tectorum and the bearded iris EDINA."
FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!
Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?
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What John said.
I did see it in a friend's garden many years ago; definitely self-colored and with a tectorum-like crest rather than a full beard.
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'Loudmouth' (Rich 1970), an arilbred dwarf and a long-time favorite of mine.
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Yay! Noticed the first sprouting seedling of the year today, Iris pumila I got from Joseph Jurasek.
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Hi David. Paltec is solid lavender color and has no beard but a crest. Here is the description from
Iris city Gardens. Mine will bloom in the next week and I'll post a pic. It is also a smaller flower.
than yours.
Did the one I sent to Peter T for you make it?
John B
"PALTEC (Denis 1928)
Bight lavender bloom with gold and white crest area, grows in regular garden soil. A cross between I. tectorum and the bearded iris EDINA."
FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!
Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?
Yes John, as I said in my reply to your email, the Paltec you sent is growing.
David's plant is what is in circultion as Paltec in the UK. Its rhizome, leaf and flower are not typical of a tall bearded Iris and resemble I tectorum, it does not have a crest however.
Lots of people may have recreated the cross since it was discoverd.
A pure white example might be attractive?
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This is a good example of why current rules for naming cultivars do not allow names that are the same as species names or produced by combining parts of the names of two different species. It invites confusion between the particular registered cultivar and other plants produced from the same species cross. 'Paltec' is a registered cultivar; the name should not be used for other pallida-tectorum hybrids.
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Tom, I'll re-christen it "Waters run deep" ;D
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:D
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Iris shachtii, and two forms of Iris cristata flowering here, -Vein Mountain and Little Jay
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As I've said before somewhere-it's a funny old year- with many of my Irises a month earlier than usual.
A Dutch Iris
The only one I have left from a small batch of un-named tall beardies from Kelways at 50p per plant. I gave most of them away to neighbours to give myself some space for a few dwarf beardies.
Iris siberica 'Sparkling Rose'
A rather nice deep blue I. siberica (looks much darker than the image) I pinched from a friend's garden. I call it 'Al's Blue'
First flowering I siberica seedling from my own collected open pollinated seed sown January 2008 again much darker than it looks (and not quite as fuzzy!)
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From the garden today:-
Iris graminea
I. pseudacorus-this grown from Seed Ex seed labelled I. chrysographes Inchriach Form!
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David,
that is not I. chrysographes. It looks more like a form of I. spuria. I. chrysographes looks like a dark blue siberian with gold veining.
That is, of course, I. pseudacorus. I've had quite a few strange items from seed exchanges. Keeps you on your toes, but is often a disappointment.
Jamie
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Almost each day another Iris shows its beautiful flowers.
Wild species and artifical hybrids, I love them all, maybe
some forumist knows the name of the last one.
Iris taurica.jpg
Iris lutescens.jpg
Iris garganica.jpg
Iris Ultimate.jpg
Iris Orange Caper.jpg
Iris Bugsy.jpg
Iris name unknown.jpg
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Rudi,
that I. garganica is just great. Did you collect the seed yourself?
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Jamie, I got this Iris from Hans Martin Schmidt from Flora Montana
Nursery at Feuchtwangen. It is areal small beauty.
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Rudi,
Your photo of Iris lutescens is the closest I have seen to an old iris that seems to may have been in the district from the 1850s when it was settled as there is large massed clumps - one on a roadside verge, an old farmhouse site, and another at the site of an old copper mine. It is also found in the Victorian countryside too I think.
Many of the early settlers around here were of German extraction - Silesia, Brandenberg and Posen in Prussia.
I do wonder if this iris and the white tb came out with the settlers.
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The non-chrysographes above is probably graminea.
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The non-chrysographes above is probably graminea.
Thanks Diane and Jamie of course it is graminea and not chrysographes. I had chrysographes on my mind when I posted it, I should have just read my label!
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First of my small collection of Dwarf Beardies to flower:- Iris 'Zero'
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Rudi, what height is your Orange Caper. Mine was bought as a dwarf bearded but it's very tall
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Iris barbata MDB I have no name, but it was a frequently grown one in the seventees.
Maybe someone does recognise it here??
Iris barbata MDB or Nana? No name
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Rudi,
Your photo of Iris lutescens is the closest I have seen to an old iris that seems to may have been in the district from the 1850s when it was settled as there is large massed clumps - one on a roadside verge, an old farmhouse site, and another at the site of an old copper mine. It is also found in the Victorian countryside too I think.
Many of the early settlers around here were of German extraction - Silesia, Brandenberg and Posen in Prussia.
I do wonder if this iris and the white tb came out with the settlers.
Pat, this Iris is one of the oldest species in my collection was collected near the famous antic Pont du Gard in France
many,many years ago.
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Rudi, what height is your Orange Caper. Mine was bought as a dwarf bearded but it's very tall
Mark, my Orange Caper is approximately 25 cm ( 10 inches ) in height, I obtained it from the
Gräfin von Zeppelin Nursey, a good and reliable source for perennials.
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a tardy little Iris pumila (listed as "cf. clousiii (taurica blue)" by Beaver Creek Greenhouses, but I don't attach much meaning to that).
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a lovely little form Tom.
flowering for the first time here Iris anguifuga,
also flowering Iris cristata alba
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Rudi thanks for the history of your Iris lutescens. Could you please scan or photograph a flower more closely so that I may compare it to the one I have here when it flowers in spring?
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I have attached two photos of the iris that I grow Rudi. I would say it is a medium iris - not a tall bearded and not a small iris.
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Iris lacustris started blooming here this weekend. I have had this plant for 10 years, and it is quite happpy in our garden. There is now two patches each 25-30 cm () 10-12 inches) across. It rarely blooms as richly as shown in the picture, normally it keeps going with one or two flowers per patch for most of the summer.
Knud
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A beautifull patch Knud. I believe it is a protected plant in the states.
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here is Fritillary Flight, an MTB, which I cherish for its colour and flattened form. I keep trying to cross it with an aril, but no luck so far.
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A beautifull patch Knud. I believe it is a protected plant in the states.
Thank you Peter. You are right, I think, it is protected. It grows on the northern shores of some of the Great Lakes, mostly in the state of Michigan. Locally it can occur in very large patches, however, its already narrow and specialised habitat is under pressure, mostly through human activity. All the more reason to take good care of the plant that has ended up in our garden. Not that it requires much care, left on its own in a place it likes it spreads quite willingly. My plant came from a small Norwegian nursery about ten years ago.
Knud
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In flower here now:
Iris cristata 'Alba'
and Iris inominata
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Wim,
nice I. innominata. I have three pots of seed coming up at the moment, all wild collected. I'm hoping for some interesting variations. Let you all know in a few years!
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Rudi thanks for the history of your Iris lutescens. Could you please scan or photograph a flower more closely so that I may compare it to the one I have here when it flowers in spring?
Pat, here are two pictures I took today from my Iris lutescens, the height is approximately 25 cm. These plants are
normally lower if you grow them in full sun, my plant gets some partial shade.
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Rudi I am not sure but I will add some photos of one of the old patches near the copper mine - photos taken a few years ago. We only get about 20" of rain a year so it is very dry in summer where these plants grow in the paddocks that sheep graze.
You will see that the white iris is also there
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FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!
Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?
Here is Paltec blooming today in the wind.
John
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Iris graminea today, in full shade and heavy soil. Not as prolific as in better conditions, but...under better control! ;D
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Iris koreana was looking particularly great today, growing exponentially since moving it from another spot which was too dry. There is a form of this species being sold by Garden Vision Epimedium that is supposed to be much better flowering, although in my case, simply moving it from one spot to another turned a virtually non-flowering Iris into a yearly flowering spectacle. Folks, find those microclimates, move your plants around if they're not succeeding.
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hello all, here iris germanica from mt. pindos greece....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/vcvx004.jpg?t=1304836902)
cheers
chris
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You have a fabulous clump of I koreana Mark, I must plant mine out!
Lovely I germanica Christian.
I do like graminia Zephirine, I agree it can be fairly prolific.
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Iris koreana was looking particularly great today, growing exponentially since moving it from another spot which was too dry. There is a form of this species being sold by Garden Vision Epimedium that is supposed to be much better flowering, although in my case, simply moving it from one spot to another turned a virtually non-flowering Iris into a yearly flowering spectacle. Folks, find those microclimates, move your plants around if they're not succeeding.
Spectacular illustration of your point, McMark! That plant is magnificent... and the change achieved so simply..... 8) 8)
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_mrnekemisvan.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view¤t=mrnekemisvan.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_enym.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=enym.jpg)
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Very rich colours, Erika 8)
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Iris aphylla growing wild near Cluj, my hometown
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Lovely I aphylla Razvan, The petals are narower than on the plants I grow, and the standsmore pointed. I think that there are a variety of forms with different names.
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Very nice to see Iris aphylla in the wild. Thank you!
Here's Iris reichenbachii blooming in my garden on Thursday. I had not grown this species before, and was quite pleased with its daintiness and perkiness. In many of the photos I have seen, it looks sort of sad and droopy.
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Not all of them were as pointed as that one, Peter.
Most were quite usual and rather spoiled by the heavy rain and wind we had this week.
Are there named ones in cultivation?
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I have a form from Nigel Service which belongs to a distinct poplation, ( there are several synonyms belonging to varients), and a nice seedling from Nigels seed with a pure white beard. I believe there is a nursery in the United States which sells a number of named forms. Mine are bluer than in your picture too... I shall try to get to the allotment this evening
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A nice Iris filifolia var latifolia, complete with virus.
Here is the virus,and the potful of bulbs are in the bin now.
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A nice Iris filifolia var latifolia, complete with virus.
Here is the virus,and the potful of bulbs are in the bin now.
What a shame. It is this very problem with Iris of all kinds that lead Ian and I to burn our entire Iris collection some years ago. We felt we couldn't risk the virus spreading to other bulbs. Sad but necessary action in our view.
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Maggi, I think that I will take the same action you did. All bulbous Iris are going in the bin today. :(
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Rudi my Orange Caper is 45cm 18 inches so maybe not what it is supposed to be
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There are some super bearded Iris pix in the French Forum......
http://plantes-passion.forumactif.fr/t4052-barbus-2011
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One from the garden today-Iris sintenisii-grown from seed.
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Two Dutch Iris pics- does anyone else have trouble keeping the blue varieties? I used to have a few but none have shown this year.
Iris siberica 'Chartreuse Beauty'
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_szp-2.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view¤t=szp-2.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_IMG_4828.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view¤t=IMG_4828.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_kkek.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=kkek.jpg)
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I showed a pic of my seed grown Iris sintenisii earlier this week but here's another of the whole group.
Also Iris latifolia. I had bought one bulb from Miniature Bulbs in 2008 and now have three-seems happy in my garden.
iris spuria ssp maritima grown from seed sown February 2008 and flowering for the first time.
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Your Iris sintenisii looks very happy David
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_kk-1.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=kk-1.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_narancs.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=narancs.jpg)
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_ris.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view¤t=ris.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_IMG_5133.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=IMG_5133.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_kkek-1.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=kkek-1.jpg)
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Can anyone ID these two for me?
Iris germanica, ? about 95cm tall. Label lost.
Iris germanica, ?
This one was grown from seed as Iris wilsonii ?
Iris wilsonii ?
Iris Pallida ssp ceuiath
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Can anyone ID these two for me?
Iris germanica, ? about 95cm tall. Label lost.
Iris germanica, ?
This one was grown from seed as Iris wilsonii ?
Iris wilsonii ?
Iris Pallida ssp ceuiath
Can't help too much Michael apart from I don't think it is Iris wilsonii which Brian Mathew says is yellow.
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You know, I'm mellowing with age.... I am developing a tolerance for double flowers and the bigger , frillier flowers of some Iris that I used to find over the top I now regard as sweet and pretty.
I hope I don't mellow SO much I develop a taste for housework. :-\
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Beautifull flowers Erica - you have a wide range of bearded hybreds :)
Michael am confused myself about the forms of both I germanica and pallida, both of which aparently have wide distributions and are acordingly variable.
Your seedling grown as Iris wilsonii is not pure wilsonii, I guess it is a hybred between wilsoinii and chrysographes. Wilsonii is yellow and quite distinct from forrestii, at least in the examples I have, being bigger with its stands held horizontaly rather than at 45' . This is a picture from last year, the plant originated from Edrom. If you PM me I will send you a piece if there is enough.
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I took another trip this weekend, to Cheile Turzii, maybe one of the most botanised areas in România.
On the way there I found an interesting Iris ruthenica with 4 flower elements rather than 3, and plenty of Iris aphylla in flower. Unfortunatelly Iris humilis and Iris pumila (with all its forms described by Prodan) we already past flowering.
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Beautifull flowers Erica - you have a wide range of bearded hybreds :)
Here is a garden, the man has 900! different irises - any time I visit him and praise an iris, he alwas gave me a pice of root - I do not dare to visit him at this year ::)
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Iris Pallida ssp ceuiath
Michael I cannot help with Id's but the last Iris might be the same as the one I showed as I.pallida ssp. cengialtii??
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7200.msg201025#msg201025 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7200.msg201025#msg201025)
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Michael your first germanica? photos look like a more modern cultivar.
I have no idea on a name
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Thanks Luit, a miss-spelling on the original label.
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Thanks Luit, a miss-spelling on the original label.
For a Dutchman it could have been Gaelic as well ??? ;D ;D
Sorry Michael, this was not seriously meant ;)
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Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_sibrian.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=sibrian.jpg)
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Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.
I think it could be Iris variegata.
Best wishes
Hendrik
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Here are two TBs, one I imported from the USA some years ago, the other is from Cayeaux. I'm sure you can guess which is from where.
Crow's Feet
Paris Fashion
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I forgot to post this siberica hybrid. A tetraploid I hope to get seed from this season.
Sultan's Ruby
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Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.
I think it could be Iris variegata.
Best wishes
Hendrik
Thanks Hendrik :D
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Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.
I think it could be Iris variegata.
Best wishes
Hendrik
Thanks Hendrik :D
I think it is probably an early Miniature Tall Bearded (MTB) cultivar selected from or based on I variagata. There are/were quite a lot of them. One whose name springs to mind is Bumblebee Delight
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I agree with Peter. It would be quite unusual for the actual I. variegata to have such solid color in the falls; it is usually reddish veins on a creamy or white ground.
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I too agree with Peter and Tom.
SIGNA has a Checklist of Iris Part 2 Alphabetical cultivar list of variations and hybrids of Iris species published in 1999 which would be useful if you really get into irises.
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Some TB Irisses in flower in my garden:
'Exotic Isle'
'Loop the Loop'
'Mary Frances'
'Roman Rythm'
and two of which I don't know the name.
Also 'Leprechauns purse', a SDB is flowering here now.
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I too agree with Peter and Tom.
SIGNA has a Checklist of Iris Part 2 Alphabetical cultivar list of variations and hybrids of Iris species published in 1999 which would be useful if you really get into irises.
Ooh Pat I am trying not to, we don't have enough room! Unfortunately succumbed to Mr Cayeux's catalogue last year to add to the ones we already grow.
The solid fall colour was puzzling me after googling I.variegata, but this picture:
http://www.candtirispatch.com/catalog.php?item=361&catid=Miniature%20Tall%20Bearded
is a dead ringer so thank you Peter, it is probably Bumblebee Delight, and will be labelled Iris - probably Bumblebee Delight.
Many thanks for your help, I knew someone would have the knowledge!
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I got this Iris Sibirica from a friend,a chance seedling in his garden,he wants to call it Iris sib cloudy skies but i am sure there's a TB named that.
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You need to contact Jennifer Hewitt, Davey. She is the registrar and also a specialist in sibiricas.
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Iris 'Leprechaun's Purse' is my wish
Where is a rainbow?
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'Cloudy Skies' is indeed a TB, registered by Opal Brown in 1993.
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_r.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=r.jpg)
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Ripley Castle iris......
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hello all,
the first flower is open, iris variegata....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xdsx001.jpg?t=1306010601)
cheers
chris
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_szultnpalst.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=szultnpalst.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_szultn.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=szultn.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_ilyenisvan.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view¤t=ilyenisvan.jpg)
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Iris suaveolens is performing well this season
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My first I. variegata opened on Saturday as well...
hello all,
the first flower is open, iris variegata....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xdsx001.jpg?t=1306010601)
cheers
chris
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hello thomas,
also the form from the "Garchinger Heide" ????
cheers
chris
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This Iris was grown from seed as Iris cretica and was rather neglected in my greenhouse for a few years. Last year I put it in a larger pot and placed it in the cold frame. About two weeks ago I noticed flower buds developing. The stem got longer and longer and eventually the buds opened today. I think it is Iris sibirica.
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I don't know... Bought them along with a heap of other rhizomes last year from either Klehm or Kathe. It did not grow too well but has a few flowers.
By the way, did you ever visit Garchinger Heide and see them? I talked to a botanist from Garching town, and he considered it an urban tale...
Greetings,
Thomas.
hello thomas,
also the form from the "Garchinger Heide" ????
cheers
chris
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hello thomas,
no, i have rhizomes from an forumist at the forum "garten pur".....only natural iris forms, no hybrids.....
cheers
chris
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Flowering for the first time-Iris spuria ssp musulmanica-sown February 2007 from Jurasek seed kindly sent to me by Rafa. Endemic to eastern Turkey, northern and western Iran, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
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Nice one David :), I havn't flowerd it yet despite sowing several times :(
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Thanks Peter. Just the one flower from four plants and the other three look as though they won't flower this year.
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/risz-4.jpg)
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Iris barbatula, a Crug-farm collection
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Very nice Pascal,mine died this winter :'(
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Very nice Pascal,mine died this winter :'(
Any idea why? This is the first season I grow it and it has survived the past tough winter without harm. I grow it in a medium moist raised bed of sand, composted bark and peat and the north side of my house where it gets ~ 6 hrs of sun during the height of summer. It should at least be fully hardy given the altitude it comes from?
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I Barbatula is winter dormant, It may simply have rotted through warming up to soon in wet ground or rotted with wet ground in winter. My plants are grown from seeds of a plant from Crug, in the west of Scotland where it has bulked up well in the open ground next to Mirtraeria, Iris cristata, Roscoea, and Auriculas.
I grow it in a humus rich raised bed. so far so good.
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Peter mine was in a pot and was only a young plant,and your right i think i may have got water in the pot to early,but a lesson learned.Oh by the way thank you for the cristata.
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The only iris that has been in flower for at least a month is Iris planifolia
The unguicularis are beginning to flower as well. Here is the variegated form.
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Variegated, Pat?
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Well some say it is virused which it may be but I keep it far from my extra specials. What do you think? It is always the deeper purple - if virused what is the form or species?
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See this for some smart Dutch Iris.......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg204389#msg204389
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Normally, variegated means variegated foliage.
That flowers show mosaic means an advanced stage of infection.
If you have valuable irises, do not risk them by keeping a plant that is infected with a virus THAT INFECTS IRISES.
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I wouldn't Keep that unguic Pat, the streaking is not even as in I variagatas markings, nor a simple colour break as in something like Rosa mundi. I have seen an Unguic I think it was "Killarney Marble" which was mottled and said not to be virised. My plant went in the bin very quickly. There was another (possiably the same?) plant called "Caprice" in the 1960s with very even marbling, grown by an eminent alpine gardener of the day, and said not to have been virused, I wouldnt risk it though.
Virus can sit in one plant without transmitting for years but when it starts to spread it is like a chain of dominoes.
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OK it will go to iris heaven forthwith. Thanks for the comments everyone.
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Try iris hell. That is, to make sure burn pot,mix and plant to make sure. Do not plant irises in the same spot.
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Making a lovely show in the garden just now - I think this Iris is a forrestii hybrid
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Roma what a stunning display.
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Beautifull Roma, It looks like what I grow as I wilsonii. Iris forrestii is smaller with a differently shaped flower.
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A wonderful clump Roma !
Here, Iris flavissima unexpectedly produced another flower ! ;)
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very beautifull Luc
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Luc
Not one I have seen before, but certainly one to admire
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Luc, Where did you get the name "Iris flavissima"?
Your "flavissima" looks very like I potaninii as featured in the British Iris Society Species Group Bulletin. It also looks like the Iris offerd by a USA nursery which someone posted a thread on this spring.
In the book "A Guide To Species Iris "- I bloudowii (Bunge) = I flavissima var bloudowii (Baker) = I flavissima var umbrosa (Bunge).
However-
I flavissima (Pall) is also a synonom for I humilis (Georgi) which also has the names I flavissima ssp stolonifera, and I pineticola
I don't think I flavissima is a 'safe' name to use.
I don't know if your Iris is potaninii, bloudowii or something else, eg I curvifolia, but I do like it.
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Hi Peter,
I'm afraid I have no record from the exact origin of the plant - I obtained it at a Plant show in Holland, but don't remember from which grower I got it.
The label says I. flavissima and checking in the AGS Encyclopaedia it says : I. flavissima = I. humilis = I. pontica and the discription given in the encyclopaedia seems to fit exactly.
If you are interested, I can try and get an offset for you ! ???
This is what I grow as Iris bloudowii (from Peter Korn - Sweden) - the flower (although a more vivid yellow) bears some resemblance - the leaves however are much shorter (10 cm ?) than my so called flavissma (35 cm)
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Will PM you Luc.
As well as being a synonom for I humilis, I pontica is a small spuria similar to I sintinisii, (I would like to get hold of a piece). I think that I pontica it is a synonom for another species too, but I can't remember what just now :-\
In short lots of people have used the same names to describe different species of Iris :-\ :-\ :-\
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All other photos I've seen of I. humilis (arenaria/flavissima) show solid yellow blooms, without any brown markings that are so conspicuous in Luc's photo. I agree that Luc's looks a lot like the unidentified plant offered by Wrightman Alpines: http://www.wrightmanalpines.com/plant/iris-sp-pamir
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Bearded iris 'Hay Kun' bred in Khakasia (of Russian Federation) by B. Krasheninnnikov.
Very nice and vigourous variety.
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Zhirair, you have so many lovely plants.... I was thinking your Llilies were glorius then I see this perfect Iris... so beautiful! Thank you.
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Thank you Maggi!!!
This iris came to my garden quite accidentally and carried me away immidiately. 2 yaeras ago I found out some rare Soviet-bred tulips in the collection of a famous gladiolus hybridiser (who breeds lilies and irisses as well) in Khakasia. I requested those tulips from him, who generously shared the tulips and send this iris just to try. I never took a serious interest in bearded irises, but this year when it bloomed I was just shocked by its beauty. Today when I visited the country house I couldn't go away from this iris for a long time, couldn't feed up by its beauty. Another problem arose - now I am thinking of obtaining some bearded irises.
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Some pogon iris from my recent trip to Turkey - Iris schachtii
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Beautifull Arthur, were the colour forms mixed?
I don't know why it is not more commonly grown because I find it no more difficult than other small pogons.
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Peter
There were large clumps of both colours at a roadside watering hole where some families were having a picnic.
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Arthur the purple form is lovely,Peter can i ask if this plant is Iris schachtii it was bought as Iris lutescens
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looks like I shachtii to me Davey, if it is the stems should be branched with a lot of flowers, lutescens is supposed to only have one or two flowers with much looser bracts.
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4 flowers,i am fuming i don't know who did the order for PC last year but my order was all muddled up.
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A couple of years ago I saw Iris graeberriana on the show bench labled Iris wilmottiana, guess the source :P
I recieved Iris Pixie, - it was a species that I had orderd, same for a friend also in the Derby rock garden club. I recieved "Iris albomarginata (true species) from him too, guess what - more Iris x Graeberiana 'Dark Form'. From what I recall that mistake even reached the pictures on the SIGNA website, but it may have been another species.
Don't believe either that various junos dont have fleshy roots, it's just that the roots fall off in handling - unless they are deliberately removed for propagation.
You didn't do so bad though David, Iris schachtii is as good as I lutescens and I can send you seedlings of lutescens.
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Thank you Peter that would be fantastic,i had to throw my last I lutescens it was virused,thats why i bought that from him.
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Nuff said!
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Peter and Davey:
Which source would you recommend for true wild species of rhizomatous Irises seed.
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SIGNA seed exchange would be a good start Alberto.
Also other seed exchanges where a donor has donated wild seed perhaps collected on holiday or during botanical field trips. This would include the Scottish Rock Garden, Alpine garden Society and Brittish Iris Society seed exchanges.
Otherwise hand pollinated seed from people such as Harold Mathes, in seed exchanges. one gets to know trust worthy names of donors. I hope to produce hand pollinated seed in the future and am collecting multiple clones of species, but currently my seed must be regarded as open pollinated unless otherwise stated. For this reason I bin a lot of it. You might also be able to import pairs of clones from Janis Rucksans, Leonid Bondarenko, and you could write to Norman Stevens, Raanveig Wallis, Hans Achilles, or Raffa. There are seed vendors such as Kurt Vickery, Joseph Halda , Mojmir Pavelka (euro seeds).
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Many thanks, Peter. Kurt's seeds are exceptionally good. I will certainly try some of the others you mention.Thanks to this invaluable forum I know who sell virused plants, and which ones make a business out of plundering wild plants (without any necessity). My deduction from images and data. Phoenician merchants, do not blame the forum owners, they are not guilty of these statements of mine.
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I picked a few unguicularis flowers today - two clumps have a lovely mid blue flower and the other usual one I have is a light blue. The yellow and purple iris is one of my crosses: PT0786 Iris pseudopumila (Sicily x Gargano)(ex Harald Mathes seed) x a hermona hybrid. This is the second year and the flowers seem larger than last year and the flowers are definitely larger than the pseudopumila
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Pat, "Sicily, ex Gargano" means that Iris has a known provenance. Not a garden plant.
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Uhm I can see I should look up where seeds come from more. I had thought Harald meant a form from Sicily crossed with a form from Gargano so you are saying that Sicily is in Gargano so his x meant ex. Thanks Ezeiza for pointing me in the right direction.
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Sicily and The Gargano peninsula are two distinct areas
http://www.italytravelsguide.com/gargano-peninsula.php
http://www.bestofsicily.com/
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Now to shut my mouth before I put my foot in it again ::) :-X
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Its a lovely hybred Pat. can you produce any hand pollinated seed from the pseudopumila parent(s) though?
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Sicily is an island and the Peninsula of Gargano is the famous area where several rare bulbs occur (I wonder if I should have mentioned this). Yes, Pat, you read me right. I did not think wild provenance plants would be hybridized to distribute their seeds, NAMED.
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Alberto, I think Pat should be congratulated in growing Iris Pseudopumila, an older pogon species uncommon in gardens, and in creating a lovely Arilbred Iris.
(Iris pseudopumila overlaps with Iris attica, and this is thought to have created Iris pumila), as well as a pretty set of Iris unguicularis.
According to the BIS seed exchange list for 2003/4 - which I have in my hand.
Harold Mathes donated two lots of Iris pseudopumila seed to the exchange.
"pseudopumila (Malta x Gargano), yellow, brown spot, HP"
"pseudopumila HP(Sicily x Gargano) yellow, brown spot, HP"
Quite possiably something has been mis copied in producing the list, or else
Harold Mathes has been putting Iris pseudopumila pollen from Maltese and Scicillian plants onto plants of pseudopumila from the Gargano.
Pat,
If you feel you know him well enough Perhaps you could send Harold Mathes an email to see if your pseudopumila represent local forms or a larger gene pool?
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I have it under cultivation along with the other local, I. bicapitata, and from Gargano. Grown from seed but not flowering size so far. Thanks, Peter. Thanks David.
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I have Iris variagata from the Gargano too, grown from H Mathes seeds, :D though this sounds quite far south for it's range
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Yes I got both lots of seed from the BIS that year.
I will contact Harald and ask him.
After a quite a while in the same position I decided to move some of it. I have also left the plants in situ too long so I do need to move the whole two patches of both which have intertwined. It will not be too hard to tell the difference when they flower. I moved some of it a few months ago.
This working caper gets in the way of gardening too much.
I will try some self pollinating when the parent flowers Peter.
The hybrid is pretty specky in the dark purple colour with the slight rim of limey yellow and the standards stand upright.
We are having rainy periods so the window of pollinating opportunity is slim.
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Very interesting to see the pseudopumila x onco seedling. I'm hoping to try some attica x onco crosses at some point, a very similar idea, as far as the chromosomes are concerned. :)
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From Harald Mathes:
"The Gargano area is a well-known site of I.pseudopumila. The plants there are smaller than those of Sicily, but both have 2n = 8+8 = 16 chromosomes. A few years ago Nigel Service of France had visited the small islands Malta and Gozo which are situated south of Sicily. He found irises there which are even larger. Among the plants which came to my hands was one which seemed to have 40 (12+8+12+8). Unfortunately I was not able to run a better squash preparation, but another plant from Malta was found to have 16.
When I got the BIS seed exchange list for 2003/4 I didn’t notice that something had been miscopied. When I wrote Malta x Gargano, the Iris from Malta was the pod parent, for the rule is: pod parent first, pollen parent second.
Are you sure that your PT0786 cross is true? If it has pollen and gives seed it is a pure pseudopumila."
I was having doubts whether the pseudopumila x aril cross did take or if bees helped me too.
It is just that the overall plant, flower and colouring were bigger and stronger than the parent pseudopumila but Harald does state that there were larger plants in Malta and Gozo. And the seedling is in good soil.
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Thanks for this Pat,
Is your 'cross' fertile and therefore pure pseudopumila?(unless another species got in by bee of course) an F2 generation of I pseudopumila ex Malta x Pseudopumila ex Gargano?
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I will have to check for pollen tomorrow afternoon.
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There were gone many weeks without flowering Iris spp. , but I haven`t found the time to show you some of my new iris species or fist flowering seedlings. Here are some of them:
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and more
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and more
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and more, please enjoy
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Wow :o, how could we not enjoy, thanks for sharing Gerhard.
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Super plants and great photos, thank you, Gerhard !
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Double wow what a collection of irises you have - so many different species :o :o
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Very beautifull Gerhard, lovely to see the different wild forms!
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What a marvelous collection of bearded species. I really appreciated seeing these photos, Gerhard!
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Like Gerhard I have not managed to keep up with pictures, but here are some Iris that have been flowering here.
Iris laevigata with a sibirica and an intersectional hybred
two seedlings supposed to be Iris halophylla
Iris x fulvala a louisiana hybred
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Iris anguifuga,
An Iris I bought from Aberconway nurseries a couple of years ago. supposed to be I gionocarpa but it is nothing like the description in the book, more like section nepalensis. The seed came from China.
A spuria sown as "Iris orientalis all yellow self ex A McMurtrie" all the seedlings from this are aparently Iris orientalis with varying quantities of yellow, except for this one - it is half the size of Iris orientalis and ALL yellow.
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A photo-selection of unnamed garden irises...
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...and a few more..
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Frazer I do love the first one especially - white standards and purpley-blue falls - looks like a lovely older one.
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One I am calling
Iris schactii collected in NW Turkey
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One I am calling
Iris schactii collected in NW Turkey
very nice Tony,that keys my plant perfectly.
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Flowering now Tony? Boy, that is late or is it just early?
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David
I never thought about its flowering time. I see when it was grown in the greenhouse I photographed it on 23 rd May and so it is very late.
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A lovely older TB - any ideas anyone
Iris subbiflora
Iris pallida - following the prevailing wind - lovely tall form
Iris warleyensis ex JR
Iris suaveolens purple ex HM
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Beautiful species!
I would say Iris lutescens...
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Rafa are you saying lutescens for what I posted as innominata or the subbiflora - or another photo from someone else?
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lovely selection Pat, glad to see the next generation of Junos too.
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Quite a few iris have been in flower recently,
This little beauty was from SRGC Seedex 2009 as Iris schachtii
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There have also been a lot of DBI
"Kiwi Slices"
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Possibly "Tarheel Elf"
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"Pause"
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"City"
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"Fairy Footsteps"
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cheers
fermi
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Rafa are you saying lutescens for what I posted as innominata or the subbiflora - or another photo from someone else?
I think your your Iris subbiflora is Iris lutescens. People use to mixed both species as they have been considered many time subsps from the same species but they are really different when you see both in the wild.
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Seeing them in the wild gives you a distinct advantage Rafa. Blow now I need to source the correct subbiflora - but on the other hand at least I know I have lutescens. Better remember to change the label.
thanks Rafa you are invaluable. :D
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Iris sp.coll. Varda Gorge Macedonia - two shades of yellow.
Any suggestions? Note the horrible, horrible "tripgrass" weed - nice flowers but such a weed here now :(
Iris sari about to bloom.
Iris trojana
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A few iris flowering now.
Iris japonica
an old tb and a closeup
another old tb
Iris cypriana and a closeup
a great 'hedge' of an older tbs in my travels today. Near the house was a great expanse of the orange clivia and the bird of paradise.
Lars clump - tag gone
Iris sari ex AMcM - came as I paradoxa
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Thanks for all the photos, Pat. That's wonderful color on the Iris sari!
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Iris paradoxa ex AMcM
Iris stolonifera in bud
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I would say Iris korolkowii bud, we will see in few hours? ;)
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OK Rafa two more for you to name.
I certainly don't think either is I.paradoxa ssp chosab as one tag says.
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Iris korolkowii an Iris sari.
Iris sari have a huge variability in forms and colours that have been described with many names. There is a little one called subsp. manissadjianii
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Thanks Rafa for the ids.
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Iris paradoxa ex AMcM
Iris stolonifera in bud
Hi Pat,
What is 'ex AMcM'? Any location where it was collected from?
Probably my last iris photo for 2011: Iris variegata, presently reblooming. Hope it doesn't over-exhaust itself...
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PC Iris "Big Money"
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TBI "Barbara, My Love"
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An old "Dutch" iris 'Golden Harvest'
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A "lost label" TBI
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Siberian Iris "Bluebird"
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cheers
fermi
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Iris paradoxa ex AMcM
Iris stolonifera in bud
Hi Pat,
What is 'ex AMcM'? Any location where it was collected from?
Probably my last iris photo for 2011: Iris variegata, presently reblooming. Hope it doesn't over-exhaust itself...
AMcM is Alan McMurtrie a Canadian grower and raiser particularly of Junos and reticulata
http://reticulatas.com/HTML%20Pages/index.html
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Thank you, David !
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Very nice Fermi
Here's a purple P.C.
followed by a seedling .
Plus a Standard Dwarf ? Bearded Iris --about 30cm in height.White coloured with a touch of grey .Lovely crinkled surface to the petals .
Cheers Dave.
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Dave - I wonder if that last one might be 'Zua' - an antique IB with crinkly petals. I haven't grown it, but this reminds me of photos I've seen.
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Gee Tom thanks :)
Yip that looks like it alright .
Don't know why i described it as having a touch of grey :-[...of course it's blue.
Interestingly while trawling the 'net' i came across a NZ site-- http://historiciris.blogspot.com/2008/09/historic-iris-zua.html ---that gives a background to it's breeding and availability here in NZ and USA at that time,(2008).
Cheers Dave.
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Yes Terry has a good site doesn't he?
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Yes he does Pat.
If i had the room I'd be keen on growing a lot more Iris sps that show some colour about this time --Not sure when I .planifolia and I. willmottiana flower here, if it's earlier then i have some doubts that I'll ever see blooms on my seedlings ...... :(
They may have to be shipped off to a friend with a sunnier property.
Cheers Dave.
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The junos are better kept cool, the growing season is longer that way, the flowers come later and last longer too. sunny, mild weather, planifolia will flower in automne, but kept cool and/ or dry untill mid winter it will wait untill spring. willmottiana is early to mid spring.
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My first Iris unguicularis flower of the new season, and only two days later than it was last year.
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Last summer when it had finished flowering I lifted and divided, for the 4th time, Iris barbatula. It has always flowered at ground (raised bed) level before but this time I put the largest piece into a bigger pot than the little nursery ones and it is flowering much taller. Still stemless but the flower tubes are about 8cms high instead of at surface level. It makes the flowers easier to see I suppose when they can be viewed from the side. First in 2007, then taken today.
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I had this experiance of it flowering taller this year too!
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Lovely iris species and strange that it is flowering in the same way in both hemispheres for once.
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Wonderful species, Lesley! Didn't know that one!
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Wow!! Lesley beautiful and georgeus pots! I tried this species many times with plants from my friend Jim Kee, but never have success...
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Wim and Rafa, I sometimes get seed, maybe one year out of three so not very reliable but I'll go out and hand-pollinate now (I have only the one clone so it must be self fertile) and if there is any seed you shall share it. I have to admit though that while it germinates well, I have had trouble bringing it on though the first winter and getting it up for the second time. I find it very easy to divide though and every small division makes a nice new little plant. If you could receive plants, I could do that for you both. Of course you'd have to turn their seasons around.
Just two new flowers out this morning so I've done my best with those. It's a shame each flower only lasts a day, but a good clump makes plenty flowers. I've had as many as 18 out at one time. I also found a first flower out on Lilium oxypetalum v. flavidum, from seed. Pale yellow and lightly speckled with red in the centre, slightly citrus-scented. I'm delighted with it and will take a picture when the sun comes around. (Not an irid of course. :))
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Lesley,
I'll PM you.
Looking forward to the lily picture ;)
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I'll put the lily in the Southern Hemisphere thread. Give me a couple of minutes. :D