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Title: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 27, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
Some beautiful Irises being shown from Australia and New Zealand in the Iris threads so I must show my minor triumph.

Iris unguicularis has flowered for me (at last!) and I think it was 2007 when it last flowered. So far only one flower but I'll settle for that. It's a lost label so if anyone can hazard a guess at a name that would be a double bonus.



It's going quite mad now. I had another flower in early December, and now today, one open and one more to come by the end of the week. Yes, I know, the plant does look a bit tatty.



Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hristo on January 27, 2011, 03:46:00 PM
Tatty maybe, but a nice blast of colour!!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on January 27, 2011, 04:02:22 PM
can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: art600 on January 27, 2011, 05:38:21 PM
As it is another miserable day, I thought I would cheer people up with some shots of Oncocyclus iris from my Iran 2010 trip.

We were in the far NW of Iran in an area famed for its Christian churches - the reason for visiting the area.

We had not expected to see such a magnificent display of Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima.

The iris were located not far from this - imagine waking up every morning to this vista.  It is of course Mt Ararat
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: art600 on January 27, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
In another location, not many miles away, we found what we thought might be a hybrid swarm between Iris iberica ssp. elegantissima and Iris lycotis.

The last photo is Iris lycotis photographed in 2004 at the Razan Pass.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 27, 2011, 06:13:05 PM
Great great great pictures Art ! and so fantastic plants :)
You're very lucky to have seen them in nature.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 27, 2011, 06:27:16 PM
Thanks for the wonderful iberica photos, Art!

Davey, I. humilis does have an aril, but it is small and inconspicuous, not pronounced as in oncos and regelias.

Tom
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 27, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?

Davey,

I have had seed of this species before and it does have a small aril.  Not as large as oncocyclus and regelia, but certainly there.

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on January 27, 2011, 06:50:39 PM
Great set of images Arthur.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on January 27, 2011, 07:09:02 PM
can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?

probably this could help:

http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-humilis+3

So I. humilis doesn`t belong to Arils, it belongs to section Psammiris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on January 27, 2011, 07:11:38 PM
Arthur, many thanks for this wonderful picts, it would be a dream for me to visit such a place one day.....
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on January 27, 2011, 07:22:28 PM
Thank you Tom and Jamie I'm 100% sure it isn't Iris Humilis then i'll post a pic of the seed tomorrow.
Gerhard I knew Humilis belong to section Psammiris but was sure it had a small aril just needed to clarify thank you for answering though.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 27, 2011, 07:37:45 PM
can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?

probably this could help:

http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-humilis+3

So I. humilis doesn`t belong to Arils, it belongs to section Psammiris

Gerhard,

I would classify it as an aril.  One of the four families: oncocyclus, regelia, psaudoregelia and psammiris.  Apparently, all families a partially fertile in crosses with each other, although, agreed, psammiris is the farthest relative.

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on January 27, 2011, 08:05:12 PM
What about the arils on  the physocaulons, and  I think some other junos, then?  ::) :P ::) ;D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on January 27, 2011, 09:14:13 PM
Fantastic marvellous photos Arthur. How lucky you were to go there to see them insitu. My dream of the future.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on January 27, 2011, 09:21:48 PM
can i ask if anybody recieved iris humils seed off the SRGC Seedex,the reason i ask is mine didn't have an aril and was wondering does it?

probably this could help:

http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-humilis+3

So I. humilis doesn`t belong to Arils, it belongs to section Psammiris

Gerhard,

I would classify it as an aril.  One of the four families: oncocyclus, regelia, psaudoregelia and psammiris.  Apparently, all families a partially fertile in crosses with each other, although, agreed, psammiris is the farthest relative.

Jamie

It is new for me, that Psammiris is a member of Arils. Do you know about a man made intersectional hybrid with a member of Psammiris ? It would be great to get a pict. I´m mainly a collector of pure species, so I don`t know about such a hybrid.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 27, 2011, 09:29:34 PM
We've seen 'em before during your lecture Art, but we can never get enough of them !!  ;D
Magnificent pictures !!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 27, 2011, 09:52:36 PM
Gerhard,

unfortunately, no.  I am planning on attempting such hybrids in the coming years, to recreate some purported hybrids.  I have to get the Psammiris to adulthood, first.  Currently, I have only humilis and hopefully bloudowii comming along.  Also, if you reference Köhlein's book, he places the Psammiris under the genus sub-section Regelia.  Same chromosome count, but I don't know if this is enough evidence to submerge them into Regelia.

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on January 27, 2011, 10:07:09 PM
Jamie, Gerhard, I believe there were some registerd hybreds but I have forgotten their names, I could find out if  anyone is desperate for them though.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 27, 2011, 10:21:49 PM
Peter,

most kind, but I'm not that far along.  I did make a list of purported fertile crosses, but can't find it on the computer.  If you run across something over time, do let me know.  Just no real rush.  ;)

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 27, 2011, 10:45:25 PM
The term "aril" was originally coined by Lloyd Austin, and intended to include oncocyclus, regelia, psammiris, and pseudoregelia. Some years ago, however, the Aril Society International narrowed the definition to oncocyclus and regelia only.

There was a great interest in the psammirises around the middle of the last century. A number of intersection hybrids were produced, mostly with dwarf bearded (I. lutescens cutlivars), but also a few with regelias. I don't believe any of these are still in cultivation.

Although the psammirises will cross with bearded irises, oncos, and regelias, the resulting hybrids are sterile or nearly so. This group is quite isolated, unlike the oncos and regelias which can be interbred indefinitely.

Tom
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: ashley on January 27, 2011, 11:22:54 PM
Those are quite stunning Arthur :o
Thank you for showing them.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 28, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
The term "aril" was originally coined by Lloyd Austin, and intended to include oncocyclus, regelia, psammiris, and pseudoregelia. Some years ago, however, the Aril Society International narrowed the definition to oncocyclus and regelia only.

There was a great interest in the psammirises around the middle of the last century. A number of intersection hybrids were produced, mostly with dwarf bearded (I. lutescens cutlivars), but also a few with regelias. I don't believe any of these are still in cultivation.

Although the psammirises will cross with bearded irises, oncos, and regelias, the resulting hybrids are sterile or nearly so. This group is quite isolated, unlike the oncos and regelias which can be interbred indefinitely.

Tom

Thanks for the infos, Tom,

I'm hoping to recreate and go a bit further in this direction, mainly just to see.  As you say, these previous crosses are most likely lost to cultivation.  Do you know if any were brought to the tetraploid level, as amphidiploids?

welcome on board.  You're gonna like love this group.

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 28, 2011, 01:25:19 PM
Thanks for the welcome, Jamie.

No, none were raised to tetraploidy. This was mostly Walter Welch in the 1940s and others of that era, interested in breeding dwarf bearded. This was before the theory of amphidiploids was publicized, and before people started using colchicine on irises.

I wish you success in working with them; they've been neglected recently, since those initial forays did not pan out as expected, and since the Aril Society disowned them.

I planted I. bloudowii seeds this year, and am keeping a lookout for I. humilis. I think it would be interesting to cross the available species, and see what range of variation emerges.

BTW, although early counts of arenaria and flavissima showed 2n=22, later counts of various psammiris species have shown various chromosome numbers. Some are reported on the AIS Iris Encyclopedia. I don't think anyone really has a clear picture of these irises' affinities or evolutionary relationships yet.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 28, 2011, 01:40:04 PM
FWIW, I compiled a list of all registered psammiris derivatives when I worked on the Checklist of Arilbred Dwarf and Medians for the MIS. Here they are:

Arenaphylla    Gay Flirt       Pumar Alpha
Bricky    Glow Gleam       Pumar Beta
Bronya    Jenny       Sunaire
Buster Brown    Keepsake       Tampa
Butter Ball    Mist o’ Pink       Tiny Treasure
Cream Tart    Morning Light       Ylo
Cup and Saucer    Promise

(sorry about the formatting)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2011, 04:30:07 PM
Wonderful the coincidences that appear in life, isn't it? In another Forum page, Great Moravian gave a link to a new Czech publication......

Quote from: Great Moravian on Today at 02:58:43 PM
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Images of a few Patagonian plants in the latest issue of the
Klub skalničkářů Brno publication Skalničkářův rok
http://www.skalnicky-brno.cz/doc/pr63.doc

And what should I find there but a photo of a plant recently mentioned here... Iris bloudowii ... listed in the paper as  Iris bloudovii..... enjoy!
 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on January 28, 2011, 09:11:47 PM
Superb pictures Arthur!! Thanks for showing them here!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 29, 2011, 10:30:05 PM

There was a great interest in the psammirises around the middle of the last century. A number of intersection hybrids were produced, mostly with dwarf bearded (I. lutescens cutlivars), but also a few with regelias. I don't believe any of these are still in cultivation.


Are you able to give names of any of these hybrids Tom? I seem to remember something of the kind from my early Iris days (joined NZIS about 1960 I think) and there are a lot of irises still in gardens here whose origins and names have been forgotten by the trade at least. Some names could be familiar to me and the irises still could be grown here. They would have been imported from the USA probably or from the UK.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 29, 2011, 10:42:05 PM
Gosh, I just looked at the link from Great Moravian and am stunned by the Patagonian pictures there. Names and plants to make one believe in God!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 29, 2011, 10:56:36 PM
Sorry, I've been leapfrogging a little and missed a couple of posts. Tom, the list you give in post #1511, are these the crosses I'm asking about in reply #1514? If so, some are definitely still in cultivation here in New Zealand.

I myself have Bricky, Keepsake, Mist o' Pink, Tiny Treasure, Cream Tart and Cup and Saucer. I know Buster Brown, Morning Light and Promise are still around but I don't know the others.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 30, 2011, 12:29:02 AM
Hello Lesley,

Wow! Very nice to know these little ones are still being grown (in NZ at least!)...they are a nice little bit of iris history.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 30, 2011, 11:48:49 AM
Lesley,

me heart just skipped a beat.  Wow, they are still alive and well and living in New Zealand.  Now, I just need to get a few into my hot little hands.  Do you know an exporting nursery?  Do you have any pictures you can post?  Have you ever had pods on any of them?  This is exciting!

 :-*  your best buddy in Europe (schmooz, schmooz),

j.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on January 30, 2011, 12:05:29 PM
Jamie, hope Lesley can help you.
A quick google search found this- http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Main/SpecHumilis
I'm sure some of the names will still be in commerce if you look look long enough
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 30, 2011, 12:13:45 PM
Peter,

I've been doing this.  I may have found a collector in Germany with Arenaphylla, but I have yet to locate any of the others.  Doing searches hasn't been as straight foreward as expected.  Did you know we have thousands of entries for iris cup and suacer, all made of porcelain!  ::)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on January 30, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Been there, its a pain, try putting in another word (eg rhizome) and you can specify all words in the advanced search. I can find the hybredisers and perhaps some of their old addresses from the registration books if you want.
Do you know that Graham Nicholls stocks I humilis in the UK?
sorry not got any to spare my self at the moment. 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 30, 2011, 09:11:57 PM
Firstly, I don't think any of the local iris nurseries export or would want the hassles but I'll put a couple of addresses in case anyone wants to contact them.

Secondly, no I've not had seed on any of them but then I've not been trying for it,

Thirdly if I were to hand pollinate, what would I use. I don't have either humilis or bloudovii at present.

Fourthly, the only one I have a picture of at present, is 'Mist o' Pink' and I'll put it here. Mine are all small plants but I have occasionally sent rhizomes from the SH to the NH so when they're a little bigger.....

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 30, 2011, 09:14:57 PM
Like on the snowdrop thread, the server has gone out for coffee. I'll try the pic again.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 30, 2011, 09:29:59 PM
This is what I was given as 'Tiny Treasure' but someone had better confirm please. If it's not, then I don't have that one. Whatever this is, it is a honey, just 6cms high in flower. Unfortunately I've almost lost it now (this was about 5 years ago) and I've been able to rescue just a single tiny rhizome, now in a trough.

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Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on January 30, 2011, 10:09:27 PM
Lesley,

thanks for posting the foto.  'Mist o' Pink' is a lovely thing, isn't it.  The second foto has the file name 'April Accent', not 'Tiny Treasure', is this a mix up?  Cute, in any case.  Sorry to hear it's not doing too well at the moment.

I've still not found anyone offering any of these cultivars in Europe or the US. 

If I were trying a cross with them, I would probably try an aril-bred or TB and hope.  They are certainly unbalanced diploids with an 8-11 chromosome set or similar.  They may need to be converted to the tetraploid level to get progeny.  Probably why they wern't followed up in hybridising.

ciao,

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 30, 2011, 10:26:32 PM
Indeed, that Mist-o-pink is a real little treasure !
Very delicate colours !
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on January 30, 2011, 10:27:08 PM
Ron McBeath of Lamberton nurseries is also listing Iris humilis.

 "Green Spot" - a parent of at least one of these Psamiris hybreds is notoriously unstable - randomly throwing up monsterous flowers missing style arms or with extra falls, yet it is an old cultivar with  a proven ability to survive.
Perhaps it's instability provides the qualities nesescary for improbable intersectional crosses??  
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 30, 2011, 10:28:05 PM
Thanks for the fascinating pictures, Lesley! I'm somewhat skeptical of 'Tiny Treasure' since it looks very much like an I. pumila cultivar, and doesn't show the I. humilis flower form which 'Mist o' Pink' displays so nicely. Also, the registration data says 'Tiny Treasure' is 25 cm in height. Even allowing for variable growing traditions, that seems a very large difference.

Interestingly, 'Tiny Treasure' is a rare second-generation seedling from I. humilis with a chamaeris dwarf. It's pod parent is 'Ylo' (I. humilis x chamaeiris) and it's pollen parent is reportedly I. humilis. A chromosome count was done, and it has 31 chromosomes, presumably 8+12+11, the same as one would expect of 'Ylo'. The implication is that 'Ylo' managed to produce a chamaeiris-like 8+12 gamete!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 30, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
Jamie,

Most of these are not diploids, but unbalanced triploids with one set each of 8 and 12 chromosomes from the chamaeiris-type parent and one set of 11 from the psammiris.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on January 30, 2011, 10:43:16 PM
The photo does match the description of 'April Accent', which is an MDB from 'Brassie' x an I.pumila seedling.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 31, 2011, 12:16:12 AM
Thanks for the note Jamie. At one time I thought it might be 'April Accent' but was told by the donor (30 years ago!)that it was 'Tiny Treasure,' so the mistake is mine. However, having said that, if anyone recognises it as NOT TT, please let me know. I hate having my plants wrongly named.

I've just read your latest post Tom, so perhaps I'd better re-name again or at least remove the TT label.

We have 'Green Spot' here too and I have never found it other than a jolly good iris, vigorous and flowering well, the flowers always well-shaped. I've not seen anything of the oddities you mention Peter.

It would be correct to say that nowadays we in NZ import almost no very dwarf bearded irises at all so that anything from overseas is almost certainly an old or older variety. Even talls are becoming fewer yearly, our import restrictions are so impossible to deal with. We are getting a lot of new dwarfs each year from 4 or 5 local breeders and in general they're very good, being bred to local conditions. Most though, are bred for North Island conditions, damper winters, hotter, more humid summers and so taller species and cultivars are used. My particular love is for very tiny vars which need smaller species to start with. But while I. humilis is in NZ, I'd be very surprised if anyone is using it for breeding. If I were 30 years younger.....
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 31, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
Just while on the ID subject can anyone identify this arilbred for me please? I bought it once as susiana. NOT.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on February 27, 2011, 12:57:17 PM
Lesley,are you sure your beautiful Iris is an Arilbred? -the shape of the flower indicates an Oncohybrid (arilbreds rarly have such perfect Onco looking flowers - exceptions may be some newer Arilbreds of Pete Mc Grath and Caroline Chacon). Do not think yours has a cultivar name, but I might be wrong (have hardly any experience with Oncohybrids).

Here first Iris suaveolens started to flower.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 27, 2011, 01:39:03 PM
Superb Hans !
Looks like in the wild... (except onco leaves in the background  ;D )
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 27, 2011, 09:16:43 PM
Hans I'm not at all sure that it isn't an onco hybrid. It came to me as susiana maybe 15 years ago and the source had had it from a private importation under that name so it has been in NZ at least 20 years, probably more so it isn'r a new form. It has proved reilable because even though it fails to flower occasionally if I've let it get neglected and overgrown with other things, a tidy up and some high potassium fertilizer brings it back to bloom the next spring. I'd not wish to be without it. :)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on February 28, 2011, 12:11:56 AM
Lesley I have asked a couple of ASI members for their thoughts. I will let you know more later.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on February 28, 2011, 07:42:25 AM
Lesley,

take a look at the rhizome.  A pure onco or regelia would have a very distinct look, not resembling a typical bearded iris.  They are finer and tend to have the look of small, round bodies connected to each other, rather than the thick ginger-like look of a classic bearded or arilbred.  I'm pretty sure yours is an arilbred with very good form.  It reminds me of plants from Sharon McAllister's hybridising work.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on February 28, 2011, 09:34:45 AM
Pete McGrath has suggested:
"It could possibly be Golden Lavender by David Shahak.

Wayfaring Stranger by Gene Hunt?

 Looks a little like Welcome Reward but probably not enough veining in the standards."

From the ASI checklist:
GOLDEN LAVENDER  OGB+  (David Shahak, R. 1980).  Sdlg. ST 76S.  AB, 25.5” (65 cm), L.  S. lavender with yellow veins; F. light yellow brown heavily dotted blue purple toward dark purple signal; brown yellow beard.  I. samariae x S T 72-126, arilbred seed).  Tira Nurseries, 1980.  [AAT]
 
WAYFARING STRANGER  OGB  (Eugene Hunt by Sharon McAllister, R. 1988).  Sdlg. ORB 88-2.  AB, 29" (74 cm), E-M.  S. lavender; F. smoky tan with violet flush and smoky red dotting and veining from hafts to beard; deep maroon signal; grayed orange beard.  Parentage lost.  Aril Society, 1988. 

WELCOME REWARD  OB  (Eugene Sundt by Lois Rich, R. 1971).  Sdlg. S59119.  AB, 27" (69 cm), L.  S. lilac veined deeper, bronze flush part way up rib; F. gold bronze, haft veined mahogany on gold, pinkish flush on lower half; dark brown signal; golden brown beard; gold style crests.  Austin W142-O (onco interspecies) X Pink Formal.  Aril Society, 1971.  [44chr]  [AATT]  [SP & PP] 








Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on February 28, 2011, 11:36:54 AM
Welcome Reward was the first to come to mind, but it doesn't look quite right.  May be a child of WR.  Sharon McAllister used this plant extensively in her earlier breeding, as have quite a few others.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arilnut on February 28, 2011, 11:11:07 PM
Here they are for comparison Lesley.

Lesley's unk
Golden Lavender    1980     OGB+  over 1/2 aril blood 
Wayfaring stranger  1988   OGB    1/2 aril blood

John B


Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on February 28, 2011, 11:45:30 PM
It has proved reilable because even though it fails to flower occasionally if I've let it get neglected and overgrown with other things, a tidy up and some high potassium fertilizer brings it back to bloom the next spring.

Doubt any Onco would stand this in NZ - should be an Arilbred like Golden Lavender John has posted, even OGB+ have the fame of not beeing the easiest to grow.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 01, 2011, 06:45:09 AM
True Hans it would need a lot of tb blood in it.
Thanks John for putting all the photos together.
Lesley I am hoping that Adele and Wayne Harrison in Central Otago who grow lots of arilbreds will do an article for the ASI Yearbook.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 02, 2011, 09:13:20 AM
Thanks for everyone's thoughts and suggestions. I'm positive it is not either of the two pictured below mine. The falls of mine are a clear lavender, while the others seem to have less colour.

To my shame, it HAS been quite neglected from time to time and didn't flower this last spring as a result. It is still growing quite well but does need lifting, dividing and replanting with some high potash fert as suggested. It is, at present almost entirely overgrown and obscured by a larger-than-it-should-be plant (shrubby) of Salvia microphylla. I'd have to say that given the neglect, it actually is very easy to grow, but it does remain aridly dry through most summers when we rarely have rain and the large trough it occupies has a high grit/gravel content so perfect drainage even in a damp summer like the present one.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on March 02, 2011, 02:52:40 PM
Lesley,

I wouldn't be too quick to rule out 'Golden Lavender'. I think the photo is overexposed, bleaching out the standards. The description clearly states lavender standards. 'Wayfaring Stranger' appears to have yellow styles, which would rule it out.

I'm actually leaning toward 'Welcome Reward', which has the advantage of having been much more widely distributed than the other two, and being only 1/2 aril, probably easier to maintain in your climate that 'Golden Lavender'.

Tom

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on March 02, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
Photo of 'Welcome Reward'
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 02, 2011, 09:21:36 PM
The shape is different Tom especially in the standards which cup over to make a globe, they don't point upwards. The colouring in my pic is just about true.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Diane Whitehead on March 03, 2011, 05:08:37 PM
Do you have iris breeders there who sell their unnamed seedlings?

Or, if your supplier grew it from seed marked 'susiana', it could be
an unnamed hybrid.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 03, 2011, 09:22:43 PM
No, we have no breeders of onco or arilbred irises at all. I don't think we ever did have. The donor did have susiana in her garden, I had seen it previously so I think when she offered it to me, she simply dug in the wrong place. She was in her 80s at the time and has since died. She also gave it to a friend we had in common, in the far north of the North Island. He received this one too.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 03, 2011, 09:46:21 PM
Even if this discussion hasn't given me definitive answers, it has at last prompted me to do something about it. I've dug it up and dusted it off to some extent and now can show a picture of the rhizomes. They are, as new growths, reasonably round rather than long, and I don't think are thick enough to have tall beareds in them. Though there is some material to be trimmed away, there are at least 25 growing points with tiny white tips. Even if it doesn't flower for a couple of years, it should survive and hopefully flower in due course.

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Having dug it, I'll now go out and pot it with some Trichoderma fungus granules and a little high potash fertilizer, not too much. I realize the foliage, what remains of it looks dreadful but this is, after all the dead end of the bearded iris season and I would normaly expect some new growth following autumn rains (April).
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 04, 2011, 08:00:42 AM
Well it certainly has onco-like rhizomes to me. And there is new growth coming.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on March 04, 2011, 08:33:06 AM
I agree with Pat, a very strong oncocyclus look to the rhizomes.  I would say it is most likely a threequarter-bred, with 25% TB genetics, but it could be 100% aril.  Don't forget, it could be part regelia, as well, but only a small amount, considering the form.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 04, 2011, 09:33:21 AM
Lesley Alison Nicoll registered Gentle Song in 2006 Chubby Cheeks x Tabriz.
I can send you a list privately of the NZ members of ASI
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 04, 2011, 09:52:07 PM
That could be useful thanks Pat.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 05, 2011, 05:39:07 PM
Yes the rhizome look like Onco.
Today started to flower one of my "test tube babies", a cross of a triploid Arilbred with an Oncogelia, it has formed a good clump, but as the Rhizome is very compact I still could not make any divisions. The flower opened today so it still has not the typical Oncoform.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on March 05, 2011, 07:35:48 PM
Gorgeous seedling, Hans. Don't think I've ever seen quite that combination of colors.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 05, 2011, 09:33:29 PM
It is beautiful Hans. I love the speckling and the very dark signal. :P

Even better on a second look, with the lovely bronze beard and style arms. A real gem. 8)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 05, 2011, 10:33:56 PM
How lovely Hans and it looks like it has plenty of pollen. Add some more speckling with lortettii maybe ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 06, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
Tom, Lesley and Pat, thanks a lot, glad you like it - here a picture I took today, think the shape looks something better and more typical.
Pat, I tried to pollinate this one, but I doubt this plant will be fertile. ::)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 06, 2011, 11:15:32 PM
Very nice flower.... for an hybrid !  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 07, 2011, 07:47:50 AM
Hans why do you say it wouldn't be fertile - try both ways just for fun then.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on March 07, 2011, 09:50:25 AM
Hans,  a very pretty flower!  The speckling and strong signal are a delight.

I would expect it to be fertile.  The chances are very good it is either diploid or tetraploid.  Another triploid is unlikely.  The wild card would be with the arilbred.  Do you know what plant it was?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 07, 2011, 01:26:21 PM
Very nice flower.... for an hybrid !  ;D ;)
Thanks ;D ;)

Pat, Jamie,
parents of this plant are two plants I had received from Harald Mathes - a triploid Arilbred (Dotted Sunsuit AAB) and a tetraploid Oncogelia (AAAA). Embryos I grew up in steril medium in test tubes.
Had talked  with him about this hybrid and he told me as DS is triploid (AAB) there are following possibilities:
1)     AA + A.   triploid, low fertility.
2)     AA + AB. tetraploide ¾-bred, low fertility.
3)     AA + AAB. pentaploide Arilbred. possibly fertile.
Best results might be obtained by backcrossing on the tetraploid Oncogelia - resulting plants could be again tetraploid Oncogelias (which could be used to produce new Arilbreds) - but I will also try to cross it with its sibling.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 07, 2011, 07:38:30 PM
I can see why it is important to keep meticulous records. ;D Whatever its breeding future or lack of it, I hope it thrives for you Hans and I look forward to a picture of a big flowering clump in a year or two. :D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Oron Peri on March 12, 2011, 01:00:21 PM
Another rare Iris from this week, this time in the Golan Height,
I. grant-duffii.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on March 12, 2011, 05:59:34 PM
Oron,

wonderfull!  I had no idea how this iris grew in nature.  It has always fascinated me  Is seed collectable or is this a protected species?  It's been on my wish list for a while.  Are there other colour forms in the area?

Thanks for sharing these.

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on March 12, 2011, 07:18:39 PM
how lovely Oron! The habitat looks quite verdant at this time of year
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on March 12, 2011, 07:51:20 PM
Beautiful Oron. Brian Mathew says it smells faintly of Primroses-did you notice that at all?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Oron Peri on March 12, 2011, 08:20:48 PM
Thanks all,

Iris grant-duffi is very rare,
Only few dozen clumps still growing in Israel.
While the population in the Golan-Height [syrian territory] is doing better, although growing only in one small area.
As all bulbous plant in Israel, this species is highly protected  by low and is on the Red List.
Its habitat are flooded areas or by streams.
Bulb is deep in the ground 20-40 cm.

David, it does have a nice sent, cant say if similar to Primrose, is it isn't very common in the desert.. ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on March 12, 2011, 08:24:44 PM
David, it does have a nice sent, cant say if similar to Primrose, is it isn't very common in the desert.. ;)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 12, 2011, 08:34:29 PM
I have one seed grown plant which has never flowered in at least 10 years. It comes up and dies down each year - I am scared to move it. I would like to feed it with something to increase the likelihood of flowers. Any suggestions?
Pat
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Oron Peri on March 12, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
I have one seed grown plant which has never flowered in at least 10 years. It comes up and dies down each year - I am scared to move it. I would like to feed it with something to increase the likelihood of flowers. Any suggestions?
Pat

Pat,

It should do well for you as the climate is same as for Oncos, which you grow perfectly.

I would try to change it's position, when completely dormant in Autumn.
It requires full sun all day, wet, rich heavy soil that would dry completely in summer.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 12, 2011, 08:47:53 PM
Oron the conditions are a big ask here as the creek is highly saline so the banks of that are out of the question. Maybe below the dam where it seeps slightly if it ever has lots of water (neighbours put in a dam above our property)
It doesn't look as though grazing animals eat it.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Oron Peri on March 12, 2011, 08:58:19 PM
Another photo from the same location, this time with Anemone coronaria.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 12, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
Wow Oron! :o :o :o
Which great pictures of Iris grant-duffi and its habitat! Thanks for sharing them!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 13, 2011, 05:37:52 AM
Oron is that a road near the power lines at the top of the bank? If it is a road does that bank get run off water from the road?
Still thinking where I could more Iris grant-duffii - if there is evidence that I could divide it and leave some where it is and move some do you think that a good idea?
Our access track from the front gate down to the house yard has spots where water runs off the road. Which way - north, south, east, west? does the slope face that you have shown us?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 13, 2011, 05:41:16 AM
Oron you don't happen to have a photo of the same site in summer?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 13, 2011, 11:06:45 AM
Oron, your last picture is like a painting !  :o :o
splendid !!! this landscape with such nice plants looks like eden, congratulations.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on March 13, 2011, 11:11:02 AM
Oron, Pat,

looking at the field foto, I get the idea this is a watershed habitat.  Plants with deep enough roots would almost always have moisture available.  Only the top 50cm of soil probably get really dry, if that.  I would expect these species would benefit from a bit more water that expected, when in cultivation, just as many oncos do.  It may be they are disappearing in the wild due to a dropping watertable, caused by intensive agriculture elsewhere.

Just a thought....

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 13, 2011, 10:24:38 PM
A privilege to see I grant-duffii in flower or at all! One of those legendry species one wondered if it even really existed. ::)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 16, 2011, 09:48:48 PM
Whatever its breeding future or lack of it, I hope it thrives for you Hans and I look forward to a picture of a big flowering clump in a year or two. :D

Thanks a lot, Lesley - it is for sure an Arilbred (produces 2 flowers per stalk) - and I am already happy how it performs this year. ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 17, 2011, 06:22:54 AM
Wow Hans that is a really nice clump
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 17, 2011, 11:20:12 PM
Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 18, 2011, 09:42:51 AM
After work today I went to the landscape supplier near work with my buckets and large containers in the boot of my car to get 7ml gravel. (if you want a job well done do it yourself!!!))) I did it yesterday as well so now I can replant some of the arils tomorrow and feel satisfied that they have had the best possible beginning to the season. The ones left in the ground are powering ahead with new growth already !
Also need to pot up some of the seeds that I received this year.
Yesterday when I took out the treated aril and juno seeds which have been soaked and were in perlite in the fridge for over a month there were some germinating well - they are now potted up and out in the weather. I had soaked these seeds longer this year than I normally soak seed.
 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on March 19, 2011, 06:49:45 PM
the first one in this year (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/riszek.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on March 25, 2011, 12:45:10 PM
Iris attica 'Purple Form'.  Virus?

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on March 25, 2011, 01:01:23 PM
Could be frost damage, was it outside this winter David? are the flowers streaked or just deformed?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 27, 2011, 09:44:22 PM
Today 'm2', a sibling of 'm1', started to flower - it looks similar an Onco - not the worst one . :D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on March 27, 2011, 09:47:11 PM
Hans that is incredible!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 27, 2011, 10:46:45 PM
Thanks a lot Dave, yes this is the same I thought when saw it today. It is the first flower of this plant  and so I was very curios how it would look like. I am very pleased with the result.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on March 27, 2011, 10:50:43 PM
It is interesting how some siblings can be nearly the same but others can be quite different. Love the colouring and patterning Hans.
Some atropurpurea embryo cultured by Peter Gras in Sydney and sent to me in test tubes are now out of the dark and on a window sill - green is coming and a second leaf seems to be forming. 9 out of 12 survived - now to see which ones keep growing.
I find this utterly fascinating when you know how tiny the embryo was in the beginning.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 28, 2011, 04:35:17 AM
May I make a plea that posters look for the appropriate Iris thread before posting? There are retics and oncos here though each has its own thread and last year at least, bearded irises had a dedicated thread too. It would make finding things later, much easier.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hans A. on March 28, 2011, 02:09:45 PM
May I make a plea that posters look for the appropriate Iris thread before posting? There are retics and oncos here though each has its own thread and last year at least, bearded irises had a dedicated thread too. It would make finding things later, much easier.
Hello Lesley, not shure if you meant the plant I have shown ('m2'), maybe some information were missing describing it (parentage same as mentioned for 'm1'). Even if it might look like a pure Onco in this Hybrid (Arilbred) are involved Bearded Iris, Regelias and Oncos, so it might be the best place to post it here.
The next Iris which might be an Onco in this thread was yours. ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on March 28, 2011, 05:20:16 PM
Here's a pic of Iris tingitana I posted last year when it survived the winter very well indeed. It didn't survive winter this year though I've lost the lot.

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 28, 2011, 11:17:29 PM
Yes Hans, I know it was, and that's what I mean in that if I were looking to find mine again, or yours, I'd be looking in the Onco thread rather than here. I don't suppose it matters in the long run but I always find it difficult searching for ANYTHING on the Forum.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 02, 2011, 03:58:52 PM
hello,
some pics from today....
iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt005.jpg?t=1301756265)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt006.jpg?t=1301756283)
iris bucharica
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt009.jpg?t=1301756299)
iris nigricans before blooming....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt010.jpg?t=1301756316)
the geophyte field
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/zzt011.jpg?t=1301756084)
nice weekend
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 02, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
Some Iris' in my garden today :

1) I. suaveolens, incredibly floriferous - I counted over 35 flowers and buds on this samm plant !  :o
2 and 3) Iris taurica - barely started to flower, but a slug already got hold of it...  >:( ... I got hold of the slug afterwards..  ;D
4 and 5) a yellow form of Iris reichenbachii.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 03, 2011, 12:17:43 AM
"Nice weekend" he says. How can I when there isn't a single iris in flower? :'(
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 03, 2011, 10:53:07 AM
hi lesley,
wrong place  ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 03, 2011, 04:45:51 PM
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Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 03, 2011, 04:54:17 PM
Lovely stuff Christian and Luc.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 03, 2011, 07:07:36 PM
Blooming in my garden today: Iris pumila aequiloba and 'Cradle Blue' (Alta Brown 1960), an MDB that is 3/4 I. pumila in ancestry;
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 03, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
Super beardies people,Tom your  Iris pumila aequiloba is very nice.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 03, 2011, 11:51:49 PM
Those are both super Tom. I really love the very tinies.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 04, 2011, 10:49:39 AM
Tom could you tell us a little more about Iris pumila aequiloba please. It is one that I have not read about or seen before.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 04, 2011, 10:51:02 AM
Luc and Chris you both have some lovely species - and grown so well.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 04, 2011, 02:16:29 PM
Hi Pat. I got it from Wrightman Alpines in Canada as I. pumila var. aequiloba, although botanical sources do not regard it as a valid taxon, just a cultivar name. Although the photo doesn't show it too well, it has an unusual greenish cast.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lori S. on April 04, 2011, 04:16:53 PM
Lovely irises!  Can't wait until our snow is finally gone...
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: art600 on April 04, 2011, 06:57:51 PM
Some Iris' in my garden today :

1) I. suaveolens, incredibly floriferous - I counted over 35 flowers and buds on this samm plant !  :o
2 and 3) Iris taurica - barely started to flower, but a slug already got hold of it...  >:( ... I got hold of the slug afterwards..  ;D
4 and 5) a yellow form of Iris reichenbachii.

Luc
Do you take any special precautions over winter?  Do you cover with glass?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 04, 2011, 11:40:01 PM
No I don't Art !  These are all out in the open without cover at all - they cope very well !  ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 05, 2011, 04:59:59 AM
Thanks Tom. Does it set seed?
Pat
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 05, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
Good question Pat! As it is the first pumila to bloom here, I have no pollen to put on it and may never know! It produced nice pollen though, which I have duly harvested for use on the arils when they bloom.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 05, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
hello,
i want a id-please...
this iris from asia,Tien-Tschan, with small and relatively short leaves, and small blueish flowers...sorry for the bad photos..... :-[
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki005.jpg?t=1302017281)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki001.jpg?t=1302017327)
iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki002.jpg?t=1302017350)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki003.jpg?t=1302017366)

cheers and thanks
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 05, 2011, 08:34:29 PM
hello,
i want a id-please...
this iris from asia,Tien-Tschan, with small and relatively short leaves, and small blueish flowers...sorry for the bad photos..... :-[
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki005.jpg?t=1302017281)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki001.jpg?t=1302017327)
iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki002.jpg?t=1302017350)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/lki003.jpg?t=1302017366)

cheers and thanks
chris
Christian i think your iris is Iris kumaonensis(is that spelt right)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 05, 2011, 08:55:03 PM
hello dave,
i think no, the flowers of mine are smaler, not so big..........
thanks
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 05, 2011, 10:07:11 PM
A pseudoregelia for sure and my guess would be hookeriana (not to be confused with I. setosa hookeri) but I don't know the habitat so maybe I'm way off. Here is a picture of my I. hookeriana.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 05, 2011, 10:15:54 PM
hi lesley,
the leaves of mine are 0,5 cm wide and only 10 cm high, i think it is another species.....the flower is only 4 cm in diameter.....i bought it as a unnamed species......
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 05, 2011, 10:51:24 PM
Tom can you use the pollen on itself with pumilas?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 05, 2011, 10:56:38 PM
Christian what about Iris tigridia or  Iris tigridia var. fortis
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 06, 2011, 12:54:02 AM
Pat, I know some pumilas at least will self, but it seemed wiser to save the pollen for my arils, there being just two blooms - and they chose to open on the windiest day of the year, poor things!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 06, 2011, 07:55:30 AM
Christian what about Iris tigridia or  Iris tigridia var. fortis
hello dave,
i think you are right, looks like this, thanks a lot for help.....
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on April 06, 2011, 02:08:06 PM
A few dwarfs that have started blooming.  The I. attica are from Tony and all from Delphi.  I'm doing some pollinating, so we will have seed , fingers crossed, for the SeedEx.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on April 06, 2011, 02:10:11 PM
Here are the I. pumilas
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 06, 2011, 02:23:18 PM
Excellent dwarf species, Jamie!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 06, 2011, 10:06:07 PM
Christian what about Iris tigridia or  Iris tigridia var. fortis
hello dave,
i think you are right, looks like this, thanks a lot for help.....
cheers
chris
This was my first guess too Davey, but also there is Iris loczyi and Iris sikkimensis and Iris tenuifolia none of which I know, but a plant of loczyi was exhibited a couple of years ago at an AGS show and featured in the bulletin.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 06, 2011, 10:19:57 PM
hello peter,
sikkimensis is too high, tenuifolia has too small leaves....eventually loczyi.....
not so easy..... :(
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 06, 2011, 10:41:11 PM
Chris, the flowers on my hookeriana are about 7cms in diameter and as you see from the picture, they come when the foliage is still quite short. It lengthens afterwards to maybe 45cms. I've only ever had one seed pod on it but have 3 small plants from that.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: BULBISSIME on April 06, 2011, 11:22:22 PM
Iris reichenbachii yellow form, easy going and floriferous species.

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 07, 2011, 12:46:19 AM
This Iris reichenbachii devotee thanks you, Fred!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 07, 2011, 06:37:40 AM
lesley, my plant is only 15 cm in high....nice to hear about your three young plants.....
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 07, 2011, 08:38:13 AM
Some more Iris in flower here too :

1-2 Flowering for the first time : Iris korolkowii
3 Iris reichenbachii - yellow form
4 Iris reichenbachii a wine red form
5 Iris taurica
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: BULBISSIME on April 07, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
Luc, I think your purple Iris reichenbachii is I. suaveolens.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 07, 2011, 09:50:47 AM
Jamie and Luc,
You both have some lovely plants there and the photography is so incredible. Love the not purple reichenbachii photo and the perfect lines on korolkowii.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 07, 2011, 11:02:27 AM
Luc, I think your purple Iris reichenbachii is I. suaveolens.

It's not a very good picture Fred and obviously you only see the flower.
But it's about 30-35 cm high whereas my suaveolens is hardly 10-15 cm high.
It also came from a very reliable source (B&R Wallis) years ago, so I do think the naming is correct.  ;)

Thanks Pat !
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: BULBISSIME on April 07, 2011, 11:24:53 AM
Ok Luc, but the shape is very strange.
nice plant anyway  :)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on April 07, 2011, 11:25:58 AM
Luc, I think your purple Iris reichenbachii is I. suaveolens.

It's not a very good picture Fred and obviously you only see the flower.
But it's about 30-35 cm high whereas my suaveolens is hardly 10-15 cm high.
It also came from a very reliable source (B&R Wallis) years ago, so I do think the naming is correct.  ;)

Thanks Pat !

I find so many of these iris almost identical, especially in pictures, I've resorted to provenance and chromosome counts to be sure what it is. As you may have guessed, the long way around the wall.  We really need a comparison chart/collage to aid in IDs amongst dwarf to medium iris.  Actually, why stop there, the TB species are not easy, either.  No, I'm not volunteering, but would add to such a project.  I don't consider myself qualified with iris.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: WimB on April 08, 2011, 12:33:50 PM
Here in flower now:

Iris attica
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on April 08, 2011, 02:50:27 PM
I have split this previously VERY long thread into sections.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 08, 2011, 10:25:29 PM
hello,
some iris pics from today......
iris attica
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei004.jpg?t=1302297848)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei005.jpg?t=1302297871)
my large iris suaveolens
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei008.jpg?t=1302297893)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/frei009.jpg?t=1302297916)
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 08, 2011, 10:28:04 PM
Chris i really like your form of I.attica very nice.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 08, 2011, 11:29:36 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 08, 2011, 11:49:07 PM
Chris, that I. suaveolens clump - how old is it, and has it ever been divided?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on April 09, 2011, 08:14:07 AM
hi tom,
It now sits in the third year, and has more than doubled, it grows very compact, and has also never been divided before.
Greetings
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 09, 2011, 07:45:54 PM
Another pumila is blooming now. I got it from Beaver Creek Greenhouses. Their description is

Iris taurica
Dwarf bearded Iris with short fans of foliage & light yellow blooms atop short stems in mid-spring; these plants were grown from wild seed from Turkey which I must point out is outside the range of Iris taurica according to my references; so either the name under which the seed arrived is incorrect or the references are not complete; either way, this remains a lovely miniature of the Iris pumila persuasion. Just a few available this spring.

Obviously, the blooms of mine are not light yellow, nor does it show any sign of a 3-4 inch stem below the ovary which Koehlein states distinguishes taurica from other pumilas. So it sounds like the plant they describe is not taurica, and the plant they sent me is neither taurica nor the plant they describe! But anyway, I got another pumila, which was all I wanted to begin with!

By the way, this same nursery also sold me an "Iris hoogiana" which bloomed today - a yellow and brown Iris pumila!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 09, 2011, 07:46:50 PM
This is 'Aladdin's Gem' (Thoolen 2002), an amphidiploid aril-pumila hybrid.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 10, 2011, 12:00:50 AM
Tom I guess that is one of Francesca's bred hybrid. Do you have many of Francesca's as ASI needs as many as possible for the dedication to the late Francesca Thoolen? Thanks for showing us this one Tom.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 10, 2011, 12:42:47 AM
Pat,

I believe 'Aladdin's Gem' is the only iris bred by Francesca that was introduced into commerce. At one time, I had other arilpum seedlings of hers, but that was ten years ago before I had to leave my garden behind. I started over last year, so I only have what I can get commercially at this time.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Rafa on April 10, 2011, 12:54:49 PM
Here are some iris from my little garden. Very bad iris season again, this year :-\ an not very good pictures...

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 10, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
I love Iris bicapitata Rafa !!! Beautiful !  :D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: mark smyth on April 10, 2011, 08:12:53 PM
I. bicapitata  :o
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 10, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
I noticed a stray flower on Iris bicapitata on Saturday. I wonder if it will be a repeat bloomer. There is not another iris flower anywhere near as we approach winter.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 10, 2011, 11:27:36 PM
Pity that in Australia you can't import seed of any Iris sp. anymore.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 11, 2011, 04:48:26 AM
By Iris sp, do you mean you can't import any unknown iris species, which
seems reasonable, or that you can't import seed of any known species of
iris, which does not seem reasonable?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 11, 2011, 07:22:43 AM
Call it Iris germanica Pat
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 12, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
Peter it depends on the sender.

Diane we used to be able to import seed with Iris sp. on it but not now. We do have a very large list of iris species that may come in. It is only the newly discovered ones or if their name is changed to something that is not on the list. If we can supply synonyms we are fine.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 13, 2011, 09:33:22 AM
The other day I noticed a flower on Iris bicapitata and a few flowers today at ground level on a clump of Iris lactea. Both usually flower in spring. Strange ::)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 13, 2011, 08:40:44 PM
My first Dutch Iris of the year. Last year I photographed my first one on 24 May 2010. It's been a funny old year! ???

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on April 13, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
I love that colour combination.(Cadbury's Creme Egg!)  Super photo.

 Funnily enough, Ian was saying to Angela the other day that he thought we were about a month ahead in some  plants.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 13, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
I love that colour combination.(Cadbury's Creme Egg!) 

Now I might have said-moon rising over snowfields-but then I am the artistic type ;D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on April 13, 2011, 09:10:09 PM
I love that colour combination.(Cadbury's Creme Egg!) 

Now I might have said-moon rising over snowfields-but then I am the artistic type ;D
gerrroff! I am artistic....  you should see my technique with a four inch distemper brush...... have a room done a treat in an hour and a half with a nice magnolia paint.  :D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 13, 2011, 10:37:54 PM
L O L !
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gail on April 13, 2011, 10:47:26 PM
  you should see my technique with a four inch distemper brush...... have a room done a treat in an hour and a half with a nice magnolia paint.  :D

You wouldn't like to demonstrate here would you?  We've several rooms need doing.....
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 14, 2011, 10:03:27 AM
 you should see my technique with a four inch distemper brush...... have a room done a treat in an hour and a half with a nice magnolia paint.  :D

You wouldn't like to demonstrate here would you?  We've several rooms need doing.....

I've been going to do our spare bedroom for four years now and haven''t managed it yet. You've got the booking Maggi ;D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Pascal B on April 15, 2011, 09:02:29 PM
Anyone any idea about this tiny one I bought last year during the annual Dutch Rock Garden sales? It is supposed to be from China and hardly exceeding 10 cm in height. Second picture shows the relative size with Corydalis elata, Heleborus thibetanus and Galucidium palmatum in the back.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 15, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Iris henryi - totally hardy, should grow outside but I still have it in a pot.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Pascal B on April 15, 2011, 09:29:40 PM
Thanx Peter! Potcultivation definitely makes it better to watch as it sort of disappears in the garden, it is THAT tiny.. I had a vision of a carpet of them but now I realise I probably will be old when I have enough of them.... :'(
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 15, 2011, 10:15:20 PM
Your welcome Pascal,
I know that individual fans can be seperated and grown in the automne, and I expect it would work about now too. Alternatively if you find a piece of another clone, (there is a blue form which I too would like), you might get it to self seed.
I think it is probably better in the ground but for it's size because under glass one winter it got botrytis, this winter it got slaters, I must find a spot for it...
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 16, 2011, 07:19:48 PM
A nice little Iris lutescens yellow form (yes I know, it's a bit out of focus) that has sulked in a pot without flowering for a couple of years. I released it into the garden about six weeks ago.

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 16, 2011, 08:29:52 PM
I. lutescens is definitely better off out in the garden David !!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 17, 2011, 12:05:59 AM
Yes the iris would be much happier in the ground. While I can admire bonsai I do have a problem with the sense of human control.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 17, 2011, 12:11:23 AM
Be free, little one, be free!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on April 17, 2011, 10:05:25 AM
Oh, dear......
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: WimB on April 17, 2011, 06:35:15 PM
Flowering today in the garden:

Iris attica
and Iris bloudovii
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 17, 2011, 07:39:01 PM
Congratulations Wim, here Iris blodowii flowerd yesterday while I was out, all finished by the time I got home  :'(
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 17, 2011, 08:05:29 PM
Yes, you have to be quick to catch it Peter,  I was just in time a couple of days ago...


1) Iris bloudovii
2) Iris lutescens
3 and 4) Iris reichenbachii
5) Iris attica

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: ruweiss on April 17, 2011, 08:51:09 PM
It's also Iris time in Germany, 2 plants raised from Josef Jurasek's seeds,
collected in Mongolia
Iris ruthenica and
Iris spec., looks like Luc's Iris bloudowii.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 18, 2011, 01:50:40 AM
I feel somewhat crass breaking in to this series of elegant species to post
some hybrids - unnamed seedling ones at that.

Seedlings of Air Show and Foothill Banner.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 18, 2011, 09:43:03 AM
Don't feel crass Diane, thankfully there is room for us all on the forum!  I love that Foothill Banner, it's extraordinary ;D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: mark smyth on April 18, 2011, 10:18:20 AM
Can someone tell me how the yellow attica differs from yellow schactii?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 18, 2011, 02:31:00 PM
Mark,

Iris schachtii is branched, often with more than one branch. It can be 30 cm tall or so. Iris attica is extremely small, only one bloom per stem, ovary practically resting on the rhizome as in Iris pumila. It has diminutive, falcate foliage. About 10 cm tall at most.

Tom
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: mark smyth on April 18, 2011, 02:39:04 PM
Thanks. I therefore have only attica
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 18, 2011, 08:00:08 PM
Iris reichenbachii from seed sown September 2008 and I. schachtii.

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 18, 2011, 08:02:20 PM
two from me.
1&2.Iris pumila from David Shaw love the colour.
3.Iris  lutescens(i think) sent to me as attica from PC.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 20, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
Iris Hylorid
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 22, 2011, 10:18:22 AM
Noticed this seedling flowering today - one of the first iris for the year.
It is a pseudopumila x aril - I showed it last year.
I was removing dead leaves on another pseudopumila cross next to it and to my dismay I realised they had rotted.
The whole clump has been dug up and any pieces that look ok are soaking in Fongarid - I hope this stops the rot in its tracks.
This is the first of my "babies" to rot. We have had warmth and rain but the night time temps are declining now.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on April 22, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
Pat,

what a cutie!  Sad about the rot.  One always finds it too late.  I'm seeing virus on many imports, possibly due to the stress.  I want to think they appeared virus-free in their home gardens, but I suspect virus is MUCH more prevelant than we realize, just not always visible.  Good culture is a two way sword.  :o
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 22, 2011, 08:05:44 PM
Here's what I have as Iris 'Paltec', a cross between I. pallida and I. tectorum. We had a discussion last year when I posted this plant (on 20 May 2010, this really is a funny old year) as to whether it was or was not the real I 'Peltec' and both views appeared to make sense!

Also below is Iris setosa ssp canadensis (syn I hookeri). I think, Lesley will know if it is, and if it is she kindly sent me the seed.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 22, 2011, 10:11:44 PM
FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on April 23, 2011, 04:56:47 PM
Jamie, that is a point! Nitrogen feertilizing masks virus symptoms by turning the green color too intense.

But, newly emerging leaves always show symptoms at the tips.

And, what you say about stress is so true. If the plant changes country (or worse, Hemisphere) and show no symptoms, put your money on it.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 23, 2011, 08:24:23 PM
FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!

Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: WimB on April 23, 2011, 09:11:46 PM
Here some small Irisses which are in flower now:

Iris 'Forever Blue'
Iris 'Open Sky'
Iris schachtii (2 x)
and an unknown, completely white, small bearded Iris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arilnut on April 23, 2011, 10:45:52 PM
Hi David. Paltec is solid lavender color and has no beard but a crest. Here is the description from
Iris city Gardens.  Mine will bloom in the next week and I'll post a pic. It is also a smaller flower.
than yours.
Did the one I sent to Peter T for you make it?

John B
   
"PALTEC (Denis 1928)
Bight lavender bloom with gold and white crest area, grows in regular garden soil. A cross between I. tectorum and the bearded iris EDINA."

FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!

Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 24, 2011, 12:34:21 AM
What John said.

I did see it in a friend's garden many years ago; definitely self-colored and with a tectorum-like crest rather than a full beard.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 24, 2011, 12:38:41 AM
'Loudmouth' (Rich 1970), an arilbred dwarf and a long-time favorite of mine.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 24, 2011, 12:46:03 AM
Yay! Noticed the first sprouting seedling of the year today, Iris pumila I got from Joseph Jurasek.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 24, 2011, 08:02:48 AM
Hi David. Paltec is solid lavender color and has no beard but a crest. Here is the description from
Iris city Gardens.  Mine will bloom in the next week and I'll post a pic. It is also a smaller flower.
than yours.
Did the one I sent to Peter T for you make it?

John B
   
"PALTEC (Denis 1928)
Bight lavender bloom with gold and white crest area, grows in regular garden soil. A cross between I. tectorum and the bearded iris EDINA."

FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!

Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?
Yes John, as I said in my reply to your email, the Paltec you sent is growing.
David's plant is what is in circultion as Paltec in the UK. Its rhizome, leaf and flower are not typical of a tall bearded Iris and resemble I tectorum, it does not have a crest however.
Lots of people may have recreated the cross since it was discoverd.
A pure white example might be attractive?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 25, 2011, 08:30:41 PM
This is a good example of why current rules for naming cultivars do not allow names that are the same as species names or produced by combining parts of the names of two different species. It invites confusion between the particular registered cultivar and other plants produced from the same species cross. 'Paltec' is a registered cultivar; the name should not be used for other pallida-tectorum hybrids.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 25, 2011, 08:55:39 PM
Tom, I'll re-christen it "Waters run deep" ;D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on April 25, 2011, 09:24:47 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on April 26, 2011, 09:48:15 PM
Iris shachtii, and two forms of Iris cristata flowering here, -Vein Mountain and Little Jay
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 27, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
As I've said before somewhere-it's a funny old year- with many of my Irises a month earlier than usual.

A Dutch Iris

The only one I have left from a small batch of un-named tall beardies from Kelways at 50p per plant. I gave most of them away to neighbours to give myself some space for a few dwarf beardies.

Iris siberica 'Sparkling Rose'

A rather nice deep blue I. siberica (looks much darker than the image) I pinched from a friend's garden. I call it 'Al's Blue'

First flowering I siberica seedling from my own collected open pollinated seed sown January 2008 again much darker than it looks (and not quite as fuzzy!)

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2011, 07:34:56 PM
From the garden today:-

Iris graminea

I. pseudacorus-this grown from Seed Ex seed labelled I. chrysographes Inchriach Form!

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on April 29, 2011, 09:12:37 PM
David,

that is not I. chrysographes.  It looks more like a form of I. spuria.  I. chrysographes looks like a dark blue siberian with gold veining.

That is, of course, I. pseudacorus.  I've had quite a few strange items from seed exchanges.  Keeps you on your toes, but is often a disappointment.

Jamie
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: ruweiss on April 29, 2011, 09:45:03 PM
Almost each day another Iris shows its beautiful flowers.
Wild species and artifical hybrids, I love them all, maybe
some forumist knows the name of the last one.

Iris taurica.jpg
Iris lutescens.jpg
Iris garganica.jpg
Iris Ultimate.jpg
Iris Orange Caper.jpg
Iris Bugsy.jpg
Iris name unknown.jpg
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on April 29, 2011, 09:53:30 PM
Rudi,

that I. garganica is just great.  Did you collect the seed yourself?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: ruweiss on April 29, 2011, 10:08:14 PM
Jamie, I got this Iris from Hans Martin Schmidt from Flora Montana
Nursery at Feuchtwangen. It is areal small beauty.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on April 30, 2011, 12:15:01 AM
Rudi,
Your photo of Iris lutescens is the closest I have seen to an old iris that seems to may have been in the district from the 1850s when it was settled as there is large massed clumps - one on a roadside verge, an old farmhouse site, and another at the site of an old copper mine. It is also found in the Victorian countryside too I think.
Many of the early settlers around here were of German extraction - Silesia, Brandenberg and Posen in Prussia.
I do wonder if this iris and the white tb came out with the settlers.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Diane Whitehead on April 30, 2011, 04:03:16 AM
The non-chrysographes above is probably graminea. 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on April 30, 2011, 07:30:27 PM
The non-chrysographes above is probably graminea. 

Thanks Diane and Jamie of course it is graminea and not chrysographes. I had chrysographes on my mind when I posted it, I should have just read my label!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 01, 2011, 11:30:34 AM
First of my small collection of Dwarf Beardies to flower:- Iris 'Zero'

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: mark smyth on May 01, 2011, 11:43:25 AM
Rudi, what height is your Orange Caper. Mine was bought as a dwarf bearded but it's very tall
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lvandelft on May 01, 2011, 03:28:37 PM
Iris barbata MDB I have no name, but it was a frequently grown one in the seventees.
Maybe someone does recognise it here??

Iris barbata MDB or Nana?   No name
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: ruweiss on May 01, 2011, 08:24:43 PM
Rudi,
Your photo of Iris lutescens is the closest I have seen to an old iris that seems to may have been in the district from the 1850s when it was settled as there is large massed clumps - one on a roadside verge, an old farmhouse site, and another at the site of an old copper mine. It is also found in the Victorian countryside too I think.
Many of the early settlers around here were of German extraction - Silesia, Brandenberg and Posen in Prussia.
I do wonder if this iris and the white tb came out with the settlers.

Pat, this Iris is one of the oldest species in my collection was collected near the famous antic Pont du Gard in France
many,many years ago.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: ruweiss on May 01, 2011, 08:34:30 PM
Rudi, what height is your Orange Caper. Mine was bought as a dwarf bearded but it's very tall

Mark, my Orange Caper is approximately 25 cm ( 10 inches ) in height, I obtained it from the
Gräfin von Zeppelin Nursey, a good and reliable source for perennials.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on May 01, 2011, 08:54:27 PM
a tardy little Iris pumila (listed as "cf. clousiii (taurica blue)" by Beaver Creek Greenhouses, but I don't attach much meaning to that).
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 01, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
a lovely little form Tom.
flowering for the first time here Iris anguifuga,
also flowering Iris cristata alba
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on May 02, 2011, 10:22:32 AM
Rudi thanks for the history of your Iris lutescens. Could you please scan or photograph a flower more closely so that I may compare it to the one I have here when it flowers in spring?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on May 02, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
I have attached two photos of the iris that I grow Rudi. I would say it is a medium iris - not a tall bearded and not a small iris.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Knud on May 02, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
Iris lacustris started blooming here this weekend. I have had this plant for 10 years, and it is quite happpy in our garden. There is now two patches each 25-30 cm () 10-12 inches) across. It rarely blooms as richly as shown in the picture, normally it keeps going with one or two flowers per patch for most of the summer.

Knud
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 03, 2011, 07:35:54 AM
A  beautifull patch Knud. I believe it is a protected plant in the states.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on May 03, 2011, 09:04:33 PM
here is Fritillary Flight, an MTB, which I cherish for its colour and flattened form.  I keep trying to cross it with an aril, but no luck so far.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Knud on May 03, 2011, 10:07:16 PM
A  beautifull patch Knud. I believe it is a protected plant in the states.


Thank you Peter. You are right, I think, it is protected. It grows on the northern shores of some of the Great Lakes, mostly in the state of Michigan. Locally it can occur in very large patches, however, its already narrow and specialised habitat is under pressure, mostly through human activity. All the more reason to take good care of the plant that has ended up in our garden. Not that it requires much care, left on its own in a place it likes it spreads quite willingly. My plant came from a small Norwegian nursery about ten years ago.

Knud 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: WimB on May 04, 2011, 12:17:10 PM
In flower here now:

Iris cristata 'Alba'
and Iris inominata
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on May 04, 2011, 01:09:31 PM
Wim,

nice I. innominata.  I have three pots of seed coming up at the moment, all wild collected.  I'm hoping for some interesting variations.  Let you all know in a few years!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: ruweiss on May 04, 2011, 09:53:27 PM
Rudi thanks for the history of your Iris lutescens. Could you please scan or photograph a flower more closely so that I may compare it to the one I have here when it flowers in spring?

Pat, here are two pictures I took today from my Iris lutescens, the height is approximately 25 cm. These plants are
normally lower if you grow them in full sun, my plant gets some partial shade.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on May 05, 2011, 09:57:26 AM
Rudi I am not sure but I will add some photos of one of the old patches near the copper mine - photos taken a few years ago. We only get about 20" of rain a year so it is very dry in summer where these plants grow in the paddocks that sheep graze.
You will see that the white iris is also there
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arilnut on May 06, 2011, 02:39:26 AM
FWIW, I vote "not Paltec"!

Value your opinion Tom. Could you add a few words as to how my plant differs from the "true" 'Paltec' please?

Here is Paltec blooming today in the wind.

John
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: zephirine on May 06, 2011, 07:53:38 AM
Iris graminea today, in full shade and heavy soil. Not as prolific as in better conditions, but...under better control!  ;D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: TheOnionMan on May 08, 2011, 04:25:59 AM
Iris koreana was looking particularly great today, growing exponentially since moving it from another spot which was too dry.  There is a form of this species being sold by Garden Vision Epimedium that is supposed to be much better flowering, although in my case, simply moving it from one spot to another turned a virtually non-flowering Iris into a yearly flowering spectacle.  Folks, find those microclimates, move your plants around if they're not succeeding.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on May 08, 2011, 07:41:59 AM
hello all, here iris germanica from mt. pindos greece....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/vcvx004.jpg?t=1304836902)
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 08, 2011, 08:11:53 AM
You have a fabulous clump of I koreana Mark, I must plant mine out!
Lovely I germanica Christian.
I do like graminia Zephirine, I agree it can be fairly prolific.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2011, 12:19:43 PM
Iris koreana was looking particularly great today, growing exponentially since moving it from another spot which was too dry.  There is a form of this species being sold by Garden Vision Epimedium that is supposed to be much better flowering, although in my case, simply moving it from one spot to another turned a virtually non-flowering Iris into a yearly flowering spectacle.  Folks, find those microclimates, move your plants around if they're not succeeding.
Spectacular illustration of your point, McMark! That plant is magnificent... and the change achieved so simply..... 8) 8)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 08, 2011, 07:16:49 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_mrnekemisvan.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view&current=mrnekemisvan.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_enym.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=enym.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2011, 07:22:34 PM
Very rich colours, Erika  8)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: razvan chisu on May 08, 2011, 07:28:51 PM
Iris aphylla growing wild near Cluj, my hometown
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 08, 2011, 07:49:34 PM
Lovely I aphylla Razvan,  The petals are narower than on the plants I grow, and the standsmore pointed. I think that there are a variety of forms with different names.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on May 08, 2011, 08:03:42 PM
Very nice to see Iris aphylla in the wild. Thank you!

Here's Iris reichenbachii blooming in my garden on Thursday. I had not grown this species before, and was quite pleased with its daintiness and perkiness. In many of the photos I have seen, it looks sort of sad and droopy.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: razvan chisu on May 09, 2011, 08:01:45 AM
Not all of them were as pointed as that one, Peter.
Most were quite usual and rather spoiled by the heavy rain and wind we had this week.
Are there named ones in cultivation?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 09, 2011, 09:32:16 AM
I have a form from Nigel Service which belongs to a distinct poplation, ( there are several synonyms belonging to varients), and a nice seedling from Nigels seed with a pure white beard. I believe there is a nursery in the United States which sells a number of named forms.  Mine are bluer than in your picture too... I shall try to get to the allotment this evening
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2011, 02:12:36 PM
A nice Iris filifolia var latifolia, complete with virus.

 Here is the virus,and the potful of bulbs are in the bin now.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on May 09, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
A nice Iris filifolia var latifolia, complete with virus.

 Here is the virus,and the potful of bulbs are in the bin now.
What a shame. It is this very problem with Iris of all kinds that lead Ian and I to burn our entire Iris collection some years ago. We felt we couldn't risk the virus spreading to other bulbs. Sad but necessary action in our view.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
Maggi, I think that I will take the same action you did. All bulbous Iris are going in the bin today. :(
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: mark smyth on May 09, 2011, 03:09:29 PM
Rudi my Orange Caper is 45cm 18 inches so maybe not what it is supposed to be
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on May 09, 2011, 04:34:09 PM
There are some super bearded Iris pix in the French Forum......
http://plantes-passion.forumactif.fr/t4052-barbus-2011
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 09, 2011, 07:18:43 PM
One from the garden today-Iris sintenisii-grown from seed.



Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 10, 2011, 07:18:49 PM
Two Dutch Iris pics- does anyone else have trouble keeping the blue varieties? I used to have a few but none have shown this year.

Iris siberica 'Chartreuse Beauty'
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 12, 2011, 09:21:27 AM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_szp-2.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view&current=szp-2.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_IMG_4828.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view&current=IMG_4828.jpg)


(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_kkek.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=kkek.jpg)


Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 13, 2011, 07:14:32 PM
I showed a pic of my seed grown Iris sintenisii earlier this week but here's another of the whole group.

Also Iris latifolia. I had bought one bulb from Miniature Bulbs in 2008 and now have three-seems happy in my garden.

iris spuria ssp maritima grown from seed sown February 2008 and flowering for the first time.

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on May 14, 2011, 09:10:38 AM
Your Iris sintenisii looks very happy David
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 14, 2011, 07:58:53 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_kk-1.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=kk-1.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_narancs.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=narancs.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 15, 2011, 06:12:56 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/th_ris.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/?action=view&current=ris.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_IMG_5133.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=IMG_5133.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_kkek-1.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=kkek-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 15, 2011, 06:14:05 PM
Can anyone ID these two for me?

Iris germanica, ? about 95cm tall. Label lost.
Iris germanica, ?

This one was grown from seed as Iris wilsonii ?
Iris wilsonii ?

Iris Pallida ssp ceuiath
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 15, 2011, 06:40:18 PM
Can anyone ID these two for me?

Iris germanica, ? about 95cm tall. Label lost.
Iris germanica, ?

This one was grown from seed as Iris wilsonii ?
Iris wilsonii ?

Iris Pallida ssp ceuiath


Can't help too much Michael apart from I don't think it is Iris wilsonii which Brian Mathew says is yellow.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on May 15, 2011, 06:49:55 PM
You know, I'm mellowing with age.... I am developing a tolerance for double flowers and the bigger , frillier flowers  of some Iris that I used to find over the top  I now regard as sweet and pretty.
I hope I don't mellow SO much I develop a taste for housework.  :-\

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 15, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Beautifull flowers Erica - you have a wide range of bearded hybreds  :)
Michael am confused myself about the forms of both I germanica and pallida, both of which aparently have wide distributions and are acordingly variable.
Your seedling grown as Iris wilsonii is not pure wilsonii, I guess it is a hybred between wilsoinii and chrysographes. Wilsonii is yellow and quite distinct from forrestii, at least in the examples I have, being bigger with its stands held horizontaly rather than at 45' . This is a picture from last year, the plant originated from Edrom. If you PM me I will send you a piece if there is enough.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: razvan chisu on May 15, 2011, 06:57:35 PM
I took another trip this weekend, to Cheile Turzii, maybe one of the most botanised areas in România.
On the way there I found an interesting Iris ruthenica with 4 flower elements rather than 3, and plenty of Iris aphylla in flower. Unfortunatelly Iris humilis and Iris pumila (with all its forms described by Prodan) we already past flowering.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 15, 2011, 07:08:14 PM
Beautifull flowers Erica - you have a wide range of bearded hybreds  :)
Here is a garden, the man has 900! different irises - any time I visit him and praise an iris, he alwas gave me a pice of root - I do not dare to visit him at this year  ::)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lvandelft on May 15, 2011, 10:34:57 PM

Iris Pallida ssp ceuiath

Michael I cannot help with Id's but the last Iris might be the same as the one I showed as I.pallida ssp. cengialtii??

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7200.msg201025#msg201025 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7200.msg201025#msg201025)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on May 15, 2011, 11:36:47 PM
Michael your first germanica? photos look like a more modern cultivar.
I have no idea on a name
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 16, 2011, 10:03:29 AM
Thanks Luit,  a miss-spelling on the original label.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lvandelft on May 16, 2011, 01:36:50 PM
Thanks Luit,  a miss-spelling on the original label.
For a Dutchman it could have been Gaelic as well  ??? ;D ;D

Sorry Michael, this was not seriously meant ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 17, 2011, 06:19:41 PM
Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 17, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_sibrian.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=sibrian.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Hendrik Van Bogaert on May 17, 2011, 08:29:54 PM
Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.

I think it could be Iris variegata.
Best wishes
Hendrik
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on May 17, 2011, 08:48:33 PM
Here are two TBs, one I imported from the USA some years ago, the other is from Cayeaux.  I'm sure you can guess which is from where.

Crow's Feet
Paris Fashion
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Regelian on May 17, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
I forgot to post this siberica hybrid.  A tetraploid I hope to get seed from this season.

Sultan's Ruby
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 17, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.

I think it could be Iris variegata.
Best wishes
Hendrik

Thanks Hendrik :D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 17, 2011, 10:20:51 PM
Is anyone able to put a name to this Iris please, it was a gift from a friend who also doesn't know what it is.

I think it could be Iris variegata.
Best wishes
Hendrik

Thanks Hendrik :D
I think it is probably an early Miniature Tall Bearded (MTB) cultivar selected from or based on I variagata. There are/were quite a lot of them. One whose name springs to mind is Bumblebee Delight
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on May 17, 2011, 10:47:25 PM
I agree with Peter. It would be quite unusual for the actual I. variegata to have such solid color in the falls; it is usually reddish veins on a creamy or white ground.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on May 17, 2011, 11:23:20 PM
I too agree with Peter and Tom.
SIGNA has a Checklist of Iris Part 2 Alphabetical cultivar list of variations and hybrids of Iris species published in 1999 which would be useful if you really get into irises.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: WimB on May 18, 2011, 09:09:45 AM
Some TB Irisses in flower in my garden:

'Exotic Isle'
'Loop the Loop'
'Mary Frances'
'Roman Rythm'
and two of which I don't know the name.

Also 'Leprechauns purse', a SDB is flowering here now.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 18, 2011, 09:32:30 AM
I too agree with Peter and Tom.
SIGNA has a Checklist of Iris Part 2 Alphabetical cultivar list of variations and hybrids of Iris species published in 1999 which would be useful if you really get into irises.

Ooh Pat I am trying not to, we don't have enough room!  Unfortunately succumbed to Mr Cayeux's catalogue last year to add to the ones we already grow.

The solid fall colour was puzzling me after googling I.variegata, but this picture:
http://www.candtirispatch.com/catalog.php?item=361&catid=Miniature%20Tall%20Bearded
is a dead ringer so thank you Peter, it is probably Bumblebee Delight, and will be labelled Iris - probably Bumblebee Delight.
Many thanks for your help, I knew someone would have the knowledge!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 19, 2011, 02:28:21 PM
I got this Iris Sibirica from a friend,a chance seedling in his garden,he wants to call it Iris sib cloudy skies but i am sure there's a TB named that.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 19, 2011, 04:07:36 PM
You need to contact Jennifer Hewitt, Davey. She is the registrar and also a specialist in sibiricas.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 19, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
 Iris 'Leprechaun's Purse' is my wish
Where is a rainbow?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on May 19, 2011, 05:35:44 PM
'Cloudy Skies' is indeed a TB, registered by Opal Brown in 1993.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 20, 2011, 05:07:03 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_r.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=r.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: FrazerHenderson on May 21, 2011, 03:01:51 PM
Ripley Castle iris......
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on May 21, 2011, 09:46:14 PM
hello all,
the first flower is open, iris variegata....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xdsx001.jpg?t=1306010601)
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on May 22, 2011, 09:57:15 AM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_szultnpalst.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=szultnpalst.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_szultn.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=szultn.jpg)

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_ilyenisvan.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=ilyenisvan.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: olegKon on May 23, 2011, 09:35:44 AM
Iris suaveolens is performing well this season
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: xthomasx on May 23, 2011, 01:40:12 PM

My first I. variegata opened on Saturday as well...

hello all,
the first flower is open, iris variegata....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/xdsx001.jpg?t=1306010601)
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on May 23, 2011, 05:20:18 PM
hello thomas,
also the form from the "Garchinger Heide" ????
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Roma on May 23, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
This Iris was grown from seed as Iris cretica and was rather neglected in my greenhouse for a few years. Last year I put it in a larger pot and placed it in the cold frame.  About two weeks ago I noticed flower buds developing.  The stem got longer and longer and eventually the buds opened today.  I think it is Iris sibirica.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: xthomasx on May 24, 2011, 02:48:37 PM
I don't know... Bought them along with a heap of other rhizomes last year from either Klehm or Kathe. It did not grow too well but has a few flowers.

By the way, did you ever visit Garchinger Heide and see them? I talked to a botanist from Garching town, and he considered it an urban tale...

Greetings,

Thomas.



hello thomas,
also the form from the "Garchinger Heide" ????
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: christian pfalz on May 24, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
hello thomas,
no, i have rhizomes from an forumist at the forum "garten pur".....only natural iris forms, no hybrids.....
cheers
chris
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 25, 2011, 07:25:58 PM
Flowering for the first time-Iris spuria ssp musulmanica-sown February 2007 from Jurasek seed kindly sent to me by Rafa. Endemic to eastern Turkey, northern and western Iran, Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on May 25, 2011, 09:52:11 PM
Nice one David  :), I havn't flowerd it yet despite sowing several times  :(
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on May 26, 2011, 08:46:21 PM
Thanks Peter. Just the one flower from four plants and the other three look as though they won't flower this year.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Arykana on June 01, 2011, 12:13:28 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/risz-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 03, 2011, 03:47:34 PM
Iris barbatula, a Crug-farm collection
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 03, 2011, 05:21:19 PM
Very nice Pascal,mine died this winter :'(
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Pascal B on June 03, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
Very nice Pascal,mine died this winter :'(

Any idea why? This is the first season I grow it and it has survived the past tough winter without harm. I grow it in a medium moist raised bed of sand, composted bark and peat and the north side of my house where it gets ~ 6 hrs of sun during the height of summer. It should at least be fully hardy given the altitude it comes from?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 03, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
I Barbatula is winter dormant, It may simply have rotted through warming up to soon in wet ground or rotted with wet ground in winter. My plants are grown from seeds of a plant from Crug, in the west of Scotland where it has bulked up well in the open ground next to Mirtraeria, Iris cristata, Roscoea, and Auriculas.
I grow it in a humus rich raised bed. so far so good.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 03, 2011, 10:32:30 PM
Peter mine was in a pot and was only a young plant,and your right i think i may have got water in the pot to early,but a lesson learned.Oh by the way thank you for the cristata.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on June 04, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
The only iris that has been in flower for at least a month is Iris planifolia

The unguicularis are beginning to flower as well. Here is the variegated form.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on June 04, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
Variegated, Pat?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on June 04, 2011, 11:57:41 PM
Well some say it is virused which it may be but I keep it far from my extra specials. What do you think? It is always the deeper purple - if virused what is the form or species?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on June 10, 2011, 10:24:25 PM
See this for some smart Dutch Iris.......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1315.msg204389#msg204389
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on June 11, 2011, 02:43:36 AM
Normally, variegated means variegated foliage.

That flowers show mosaic means an advanced stage of infection.

If you have valuable irises, do not risk them by keeping a plant that is infected with a virus THAT INFECTS IRISES.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 11, 2011, 08:39:35 AM
I wouldn't Keep that unguic Pat, the streaking is not even as in I variagatas markings, nor a simple colour break as in something like Rosa mundi. I have seen an Unguic I think it was "Killarney Marble" which was mottled and said not to be virised. My plant went in the bin very quickly. There was another (possiably the same?) plant called "Caprice" in the 1960s with very even marbling, grown by an eminent alpine gardener of the day, and said not to have been virused, I wouldnt risk it though.
Virus can sit in one plant without transmitting for years but when it starts to spread it is like a chain of dominoes.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on June 11, 2011, 08:49:25 AM
OK it will go to iris heaven forthwith. Thanks for the comments everyone.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on June 11, 2011, 05:11:18 PM
Try iris hell. That is, to make sure burn pot,mix and plant to make sure. Do not plant irises in the same spot.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Roma on June 16, 2011, 03:52:58 PM
Making a lovely show in the garden just now - I think this Iris is a forrestii hybrid
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 16, 2011, 06:44:08 PM
Roma what a stunning display.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 16, 2011, 08:28:15 PM
Beautifull Roma, It looks like what I grow as I wilsonii.  Iris forrestii is smaller with a differently shaped flower.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on June 16, 2011, 09:17:39 PM
A wonderful clump Roma !

Here, Iris flavissima unexpectedly produced another flower !  ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 16, 2011, 09:22:57 PM
very beautifull Luc
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: art600 on June 17, 2011, 11:57:49 AM
Luc

Not one I have seen before, but certainly one to admire
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 17, 2011, 08:23:10 PM
 Luc, Where did you get the name "Iris flavissima"?
Your "flavissima" looks very like I potaninii as featured in the British Iris Society Species Group Bulletin. It also looks like the Iris offerd  by a USA nursery which someone posted a thread on this spring.
 
In the book "A Guide To Species Iris "- I bloudowii (Bunge) = I flavissima var bloudowii (Baker) = I flavissima var umbrosa (Bunge).
However-
I flavissima (Pall) is also a synonom for I humilis (Georgi) which also has the names I flavissima ssp stolonifera, and I pineticola
I don't think I flavissima is a 'safe' name to use.
I don't know if your Iris is potaninii, bloudowii or something else, eg I curvifolia, but I do like it. 
 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on June 17, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
Hi Peter,
I'm afraid I have no record from the exact origin of the plant - I obtained it at a Plant show in Holland, but don't remember from which grower I got it.

The label says I. flavissima and checking in the AGS Encyclopaedia it says : I. flavissima = I. humilis = I. pontica and the discription given in the encyclopaedia seems to fit exactly.

If you are interested, I can try and get an offset for you !  ???

This is what I grow as Iris bloudowii (from Peter Korn - Sweden) - the flower (although a more vivid yellow) bears some resemblance - the leaves however are much shorter (10 cm ?) than my so called flavissma (35 cm)

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 17, 2011, 11:04:30 PM
Will PM you Luc.
As well as being a synonom for I humilis, I pontica is a small spuria similar to I sintinisii, (I would like to get hold of a piece). I think that I pontica it is a synonom for another species too, but I can't remember what just now :-\
In short lots of people have used the same names to describe different species of Iris  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on June 18, 2011, 09:34:09 PM
All other photos I've seen of I. humilis (arenaria/flavissima) show solid yellow blooms, without any brown markings that are so conspicuous in Luc's photo. I agree that Luc's looks a lot like the unidentified plant offered by Wrightman Alpines: http://www.wrightmanalpines.com/plant/iris-sp-pamir
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Boyed on June 19, 2011, 09:24:18 PM
Bearded iris 'Hay Kun' bred in Khakasia (of Russian Federation) by B. Krasheninnnikov.
Very nice and vigourous variety.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on June 19, 2011, 09:26:53 PM
Zhirair, you have so many lovely plants.... I was thinking your Llilies were glorius then I see this perfect Iris... so beautiful! Thank you.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Boyed on June 19, 2011, 09:41:11 PM
Thank you Maggi!!!

This iris came to my garden quite accidentally and carried me away immidiately. 2 yaeras ago I found out some rare Soviet-bred tulips in the collection of a famous gladiolus hybridiser (who breeds lilies and irisses as well) in Khakasia. I requested those tulips from him, who generously shared the tulips and send this iris just to try. I never took a serious interest in bearded irises, but this year when it bloomed I was just shocked by its beauty. Today when I visited the country house I couldn't go away from this iris for a long time, couldn't feed up by its beauty. Another problem arose - now I am thinking of obtaining some bearded irises.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: art600 on June 30, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
Some pogon iris from my recent trip to Turkey - Iris schachtii
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 30, 2011, 03:50:08 PM
Beautifull Arthur, were the colour forms mixed?
I don't know why it is not more commonly grown  because I find it no more difficult than other small pogons.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: art600 on June 30, 2011, 04:18:29 PM
Peter

There were large clumps of both colours at a roadside watering hole where some families were having a picnic.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 30, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
Arthur the purple form is lovely,Peter can i ask if this plant is Iris schachtii it was bought as Iris lutescens
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 30, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
looks like I shachtii to me Davey, if it is the stems should be branched with a lot of flowers, lutescens is supposed to only have one or two flowers with much looser bracts.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 30, 2011, 06:13:40 PM
4 flowers,i am fuming i don't know who did the order for PC last year but my order was all muddled up.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 30, 2011, 07:11:20 PM
A couple of years ago I saw Iris graeberriana on the show bench labled Iris wilmottiana, guess the source  :P
I recieved Iris Pixie, - it was a species that I had orderd, same for a friend also in the Derby rock garden club. I recieved "Iris albomarginata (true species) from him too, guess what - more Iris x Graeberiana 'Dark Form'. From what I recall that mistake even reached the pictures on the SIGNA website, but it may have been another species.
Don't believe either that various junos dont have fleshy roots, it's just that the roots fall off in handling - unless they are deliberately removed for propagation.
You didn't do so bad though David, Iris schachtii is as good as I lutescens and I can send you seedlings of lutescens.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on June 30, 2011, 07:23:10 PM
Thank you Peter that would be fantastic,i had to throw my last  I lutescens it was virused,thats why i bought that from him.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 30, 2011, 07:44:56 PM
Nuff said!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on June 30, 2011, 10:46:30 PM
Peter and Davey:

                        Which source would you recommend for true wild species of rhizomatous Irises seed.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on June 30, 2011, 11:20:21 PM
SIGNA seed exchange would be a good start Alberto.
Also other seed exchanges where a donor has donated wild seed perhaps collected on holiday or during botanical field trips. This would include the Scottish Rock Garden, Alpine garden Society and Brittish Iris Society seed exchanges.
Otherwise hand pollinated seed from people such as Harold Mathes,  in seed exchanges. one gets to know trust worthy names of donors. I hope to produce hand pollinated seed in the future and am collecting multiple clones of species, but currently my seed must be regarded as open pollinated unless otherwise stated. For this reason I bin a lot of it. You might also be able to import pairs of clones from Janis Rucksans, Leonid Bondarenko, and you could write to Norman Stevens,  Raanveig Wallis,  Hans Achilles, or Raffa. There are seed vendors such as Kurt Vickery, Joseph Halda , Mojmir Pavelka (euro seeds).
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on July 01, 2011, 12:16:21 AM
Many thanks, Peter. Kurt's seeds are exceptionally good. I will certainly try some of the others you mention.Thanks to this invaluable forum I know who sell virused plants, and which ones make a business out of plundering wild plants (without any necessity). My deduction from images and data. Phoenician merchants, do not blame the forum owners, they are not guilty of these statements of mine.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 02, 2011, 11:46:38 AM
I picked a few unguicularis flowers today - two clumps have a lovely mid blue flower and the other usual one I have is a light blue. The yellow and purple iris is one of my crosses: PT0786 Iris pseudopumila (Sicily x Gargano)(ex Harald Mathes seed) x a hermona hybrid. This is the second year and the flowers seem larger than last year and the flowers are definitely larger than the pseudopumila
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on July 02, 2011, 02:17:14 PM
Pat, "Sicily, ex Gargano" means that Iris has a known provenance. Not a garden plant.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 03, 2011, 12:11:59 AM
Uhm I can see I should look up where seeds come from more. I had thought Harald meant a form from Sicily crossed with a form from Gargano so you are saying that Sicily is in Gargano so his x meant ex. Thanks Ezeiza for pointing me in the right direction.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on July 03, 2011, 09:54:19 AM
Sicily and The Gargano peninsula are two distinct areas

http://www.italytravelsguide.com/gargano-peninsula.php

http://www.bestofsicily.com/
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 03, 2011, 11:10:56 AM
Now to shut my mouth before I put my foot in it again ::) :-X
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 03, 2011, 11:24:28 AM
Its a lovely hybred Pat. can you produce any hand pollinated seed from the pseudopumila parent(s) though?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on July 03, 2011, 02:16:31 PM
Sicily is an island and the Peninsula of Gargano is the famous area where several rare bulbs occur (I wonder if I should have mentioned this). Yes, Pat, you read me right. I did not think wild provenance plants would be hybridized to distribute their seeds, NAMED.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 03, 2011, 03:05:48 PM
Alberto, I  think Pat should be congratulated in growing Iris Pseudopumila, an older pogon species uncommon in gardens, and  in creating a lovely Arilbred Iris.
(Iris pseudopumila overlaps with Iris attica, and this is thought to have created Iris pumila), as well as a pretty set of Iris unguicularis.
According to the BIS seed exchange list for 2003/4 - which I have in my hand.
Harold Mathes donated two lots of Iris pseudopumila seed to the exchange.
"pseudopumila (Malta x Gargano), yellow, brown spot, HP"
"pseudopumila HP(Sicily x Gargano) yellow, brown spot, HP"
Quite possiably something has been mis copied in producing the list, or else 
Harold Mathes has been putting Iris pseudopumila pollen from Maltese and Scicillian plants onto plants of pseudopumila from the Gargano.
Pat,
If you feel you know him well enough Perhaps you could send Harold Mathes an email to see if your pseudopumila represent local forms or a larger gene pool?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Ezeiza on July 03, 2011, 06:34:23 PM
I have it under cultivation along with the other local, I. bicapitata, and from Gargano. Grown from seed but not flowering size so far. Thanks, Peter. Thanks David.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 03, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
I have Iris variagata from the Gargano too, grown from H Mathes seeds,  :D  though this sounds quite far south for it's range
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 03, 2011, 11:43:00 PM
Yes I got both lots of seed from the BIS that year.
I will contact Harald and ask him.
After a quite a while in the same position I decided to move some of it. I have also left the plants in situ too long so I do need to move the whole two patches of both which have intertwined.  It will not be too hard to tell the difference when they flower. I moved some of it a few months ago.
This working caper gets in the way of gardening too much.
I will try some self pollinating when the parent flowers Peter.
The hybrid is pretty specky in the dark purple colour with the slight rim of limey yellow and the standards stand upright.
We are having rainy periods so the window of pollinating opportunity is slim.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on July 05, 2011, 02:05:03 PM
Very interesting to see the pseudopumila x onco seedling. I'm hoping to try some attica x onco crosses at some point, a very similar idea, as far as the chromosomes are concerned. :)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 07, 2011, 09:42:31 AM
From Harald Mathes:
"The Gargano area is a well-known site of I.pseudopumila. The plants there are smaller than those of Sicily, but both have 2n = 8+8 = 16 chromosomes. A few years ago Nigel Service of France had visited the small islands Malta and Gozo which are situated south of Sicily. He found irises there which are even larger. Among the plants which came to my hands was one which seemed to have 40 (12+8+12+8). Unfortunately I was not able to run a better squash preparation, but another plant from Malta was found to have 16.
When I got the BIS seed exchange list for 2003/4 I didn’t notice that something had been miscopied. When I wrote Malta x Gargano, the Iris from Malta was the pod parent, for the rule is: pod parent first, pollen parent second.
Are you sure that your PT0786 cross is true? If it has pollen and gives seed it is a pure pseudopumila."

I was having doubts whether the pseudopumila x aril cross did take or if bees helped me too.
It is just that the overall plant, flower and colouring were bigger and stronger than the parent pseudopumila but Harald does state that there were larger plants in Malta and Gozo. And the seedling is in good soil.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 07, 2011, 10:01:11 AM
Thanks for this Pat,
Is your 'cross' fertile and therefore pure pseudopumila?(unless another species got in by bee of course) an F2 generation of I pseudopumila ex Malta x Pseudopumila ex Gargano?
 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 07, 2011, 11:14:16 AM
I will have to check for pollen tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on July 12, 2011, 10:04:04 PM
There were gone many weeks without flowering Iris spp. , but I haven`t found the time to show you some of my new iris species or fist flowering seedlings. Here are some of them:
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on July 12, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
and more
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on July 12, 2011, 10:09:25 PM
and more
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on July 12, 2011, 10:12:41 PM
and more, please enjoy
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Brian Ellis on July 12, 2011, 10:17:48 PM
Wow :o, how could we not enjoy, thanks for sharing Gerhard.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Maggi Young on July 12, 2011, 10:42:17 PM
Super plants and great photos, thank you, Gerhard !
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 13, 2011, 12:01:16 AM
Double wow what a collection of irises you have - so many different species  :o :o
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 13, 2011, 04:35:03 AM
Very beautifull Gerhard, lovely to see the different wild forms!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on July 13, 2011, 02:57:26 PM
What a marvelous collection of bearded species. I really appreciated seeing these photos, Gerhard!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 14, 2011, 10:11:27 PM
Like Gerhard I have not managed to keep up with pictures, but here are some Iris that have been flowering here.
Iris laevigata with a sibirica and an intersectional hybred
two seedlings supposed to be Iris halophylla
Iris x fulvala a louisiana hybred
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on July 14, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
Iris anguifuga,
An Iris I bought from Aberconway nurseries a couple of years ago. supposed to be I gionocarpa but it is nothing like the description in the book, more like section nepalensis. The seed came from China.
A spuria sown as "Iris orientalis all yellow self ex A McMurtrie" all the seedlings from this are aparently Iris orientalis with varying quantities of yellow, except for this one - it is half the size of Iris orientalis and ALL yellow.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: FrazerHenderson on July 17, 2011, 02:54:06 PM
A photo-selection of unnamed garden irises...
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: FrazerHenderson on July 17, 2011, 02:56:54 PM
...and a few more..
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on July 17, 2011, 11:26:52 PM
Frazer I do love the first one especially - white standards and purpley-blue falls - looks like a lovely older one.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 21, 2011, 11:38:22 AM
One I am calling

Iris schactii collected in NW Turkey
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: daveyp1970 on July 21, 2011, 11:41:01 AM
One I am calling

Iris schactii collected in NW Turkey
very nice Tony,that keys my plant perfectly.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on July 21, 2011, 07:19:11 PM
Flowering now Tony? Boy, that is late or is it just early?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tony Willis on July 22, 2011, 08:31:37 AM
David

I never thought about its flowering time. I see when it was grown in the greenhouse I photographed it on 23 rd May and so it is very late.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on September 15, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
A lovely older TB - any ideas anyone
Iris subbiflora
Iris pallida - following the prevailing wind - lovely tall form
Iris warleyensis ex JR
Iris suaveolens purple ex HM
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Rafa on September 15, 2011, 01:28:52 PM
Beautiful species!
I would say Iris lutescens...
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on September 15, 2011, 10:26:46 PM
Rafa are you saying lutescens for what I posted as innominata or the subbiflora - or another photo from someone else?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on September 16, 2011, 04:47:14 AM
lovely selection Pat, glad to see the next generation of Junos too.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 28, 2011, 05:00:24 AM
Quite a few iris have been in flower recently,
This little beauty was from SRGC Seedex 2009 as Iris schachtii
[attachthumb=1]
There have also been a lot of DBI
"Kiwi Slices"
[attachthumb=2]

Possibly "Tarheel Elf"
[attachthumb=3]

"Pause"
[attachthumb=4]

"City"
[attachthumb=5]

"Fairy Footsteps"
[attachthumb=6]

cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Rafa on September 29, 2011, 11:05:45 PM
Rafa are you saying lutescens for what I posted as innominata or the subbiflora - or another photo from someone else?

I think your your Iris subbiflora is Iris lutescens. People use to mixed both species as they have been considered many time subsps from the same species but they are really different when you see both in the wild.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on September 30, 2011, 10:11:32 AM
Seeing them in the wild gives you a distinct advantage Rafa. Blow now I need to source the correct subbiflora - but on the other hand at least I know I have lutescens. Better remember to change the label.
thanks Rafa you are invaluable. :D
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on September 30, 2011, 10:20:16 AM
Iris sp.coll. Varda Gorge Macedonia - two shades of yellow.
Any suggestions? Note the horrible, horrible "tripgrass" weed - nice flowers but such a weed here now :(
Iris sari about to bloom.
Iris trojana
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on October 04, 2011, 10:53:34 AM
A few iris flowering now.
Iris japonica
an old tb and a closeup
another old tb
Iris cypriana and a closeup
a great 'hedge' of an older  tbs in my travels today. Near the house was a great expanse of the orange clivia and the bird of paradise.
Lars clump - tag gone
Iris sari ex AMcM - came as I paradoxa
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on October 04, 2011, 03:26:04 PM
Thanks for all the photos, Pat. That's wonderful color on the Iris sari!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on October 04, 2011, 11:50:17 PM
Iris paradoxa ex AMcM
Iris stolonifera in bud
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Rafa on October 06, 2011, 11:24:07 PM
I would say Iris korolkowii bud, we will see in few hours?  ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on October 07, 2011, 06:53:46 AM
OK Rafa two more for you to name.
I certainly don't think either is I.paradoxa ssp chosab as one tag says.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Rafa on October 07, 2011, 09:44:56 AM
Iris korolkowii an Iris sari.
Iris sari have a huge variability in forms and colours that have been described with many names. There is a little one called subsp. manissadjianii
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on October 07, 2011, 12:23:07 PM
Thanks Rafa for the ids.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: xthomasx on October 19, 2011, 06:23:13 AM
Iris paradoxa ex AMcM
Iris stolonifera in bud

Hi Pat,

What is 'ex AMcM'? Any location where it was collected from?

Probably my last iris photo for 2011: Iris variegata, presently reblooming. Hope it doesn't over-exhaust itself...
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 19, 2011, 08:30:28 AM
PC Iris "Big Money"
[attachthumb=1]

TBI "Barbara, My Love"
[attachthumb=2]

An old "Dutch" iris 'Golden Harvest'
[attachthumb=3]

A "lost label" TBI
[attachthumb=4]

Siberian Iris "Bluebird"
[attachthumb=5]

cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on October 19, 2011, 04:29:25 PM
Iris paradoxa ex AMcM
Iris stolonifera in bud

Hi Pat,

What is 'ex AMcM'? Any location where it was collected from?

Probably my last iris photo for 2011: Iris variegata, presently reblooming. Hope it doesn't over-exhaust itself...

AMcM is Alan McMurtrie a Canadian grower and raiser particularly of Junos and reticulata
http://reticulatas.com/HTML%20Pages/index.html
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: xthomasx on October 20, 2011, 03:25:02 PM
Thank you, David !
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: t00lie on October 21, 2011, 09:50:36 AM
Very nice Fermi

Here's a purple P.C.

followed by a seedling .

Plus a Standard Dwarf  ? Bearded Iris --about 30cm in height.White coloured with a touch of grey .Lovely crinkled surface to the petals .

Cheers Dave.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Tom Waters on October 22, 2011, 02:01:50 AM
Dave - I wonder if that last one might be 'Zua' - an antique IB with crinkly petals. I haven't grown it, but this reminds me of photos I've seen.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: t00lie on October 22, 2011, 03:34:30 AM
Gee Tom thanks  :)
Yip that looks like it alright .

Don't know why i described it as having a touch of grey  :-[...of course it's blue.

Interestingly while trawling the 'net' i came across a NZ site-- http://historiciris.blogspot.com/2008/09/historic-iris-zua.html ---that gives a background to it's breeding and availability here in NZ and USA at that time,(2008).

Cheers Dave.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on October 22, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
Yes Terry has a good site doesn't he?
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: t00lie on October 23, 2011, 07:43:49 AM
Yes he does Pat.

If i had the room I'd be keen on growing a lot more Iris sps that show some colour about this time --Not sure when I .planifolia and I. willmottiana flower here, if it's earlier then i have some doubts that I'll ever see blooms on my seedlings ......   :(

They may have to be shipped off to a friend with a sunnier property.

Cheers Dave.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on October 23, 2011, 09:03:24 AM
The junos are better kept cool, the growing season is longer that way, the flowers come later and last longer too. sunny, mild weather, planifolia will flower in automne, but kept cool and/ or dry untill mid winter it will wait untill spring. willmottiana is early to mid spring.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: David Nicholson on November 01, 2011, 07:53:19 PM
My first Iris unguicularis flower of the new season, and only two days later than it was last year.

Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 29, 2011, 09:13:45 PM
Last summer when it had finished flowering I lifted and divided, for the 4th time, Iris barbatula. It has always flowered at ground (raised bed) level before but this time I put the largest piece into a bigger pot than the little nursery ones and it is flowering much taller. Still stemless but the flower tubes are about 8cms high instead of at surface level. It makes the flowers easier to see I suppose when they can be viewed from the side. First in 2007, then taken today.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: PeterT on November 29, 2011, 09:35:46 PM
I had this experiance of it flowering taller this year too!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: arillady on November 29, 2011, 11:16:58 PM
Lovely iris species and strange that it is flowering in the same way in both hemispheres for once.
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: WimB on November 30, 2011, 03:12:35 PM
Wonderful species, Lesley! Didn't know that one!
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Rafa on November 30, 2011, 05:12:16 PM
Wow!! Lesley beautiful and georgeus pots! I tried this species many times with plants from my friend Jim Kee, but never have success...
 
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 30, 2011, 09:02:36 PM
Wim and Rafa, I sometimes get seed, maybe one year out of three so not very reliable but I'll go out and hand-pollinate now (I have only the one clone so it must be self fertile) and if there is any seed you shall share it. I have to admit though that while it germinates well, I have had trouble bringing it on though the first winter and getting it up for the second time. I find it very easy to divide though and every small division makes a nice new little plant. If you could receive plants, I could do that for you both. Of course you'd have to turn their seasons around.

Just two new flowers out this morning so I've done my best with those. It's a shame each flower only lasts a day, but a good clump makes plenty flowers. I've had as many as 18 out at one time. I also found a first flower out on Lilium oxypetalum v. flavidum, from seed. Pale yellow and lightly speckled with red in the centre, slightly citrus-scented. I'm delighted with it and will take a picture when the sun comes around. (Not an irid of course. :))
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: WimB on December 01, 2011, 12:28:43 PM
Lesley,

I'll PM you.

Looking forward to the lily picture  ;)
Title: Re: Iris and some Irids 2011
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 01, 2011, 09:12:11 PM
I'll put the lily in the Southern Hemisphere thread. Give me a couple of minutes. :D
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