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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: YT on April 01, 2011, 10:54:16 AM
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Narcissus 'Ice Wings' is in full blooming. This is one of my most favourite daffodils for its dropping purest flowers. Unfortunately, this variety can get basal rot easily during hot and wet summer here, so I have to grow it in containers and shut them out from rains all through dormant period.
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Tatsuo, what a beautiful narcissus.... a pure delight to start our April pages!
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Just to prove to Mark that I do, in fact, grow some Narcissi in the garden! ;D
On the left N. 'Niveth' and on the right N. 'Jack Snipe'
... and a close up of N. 'Niveth'
Niveth is quite an old variety (raised by Henry Backhouse and registered prior to 1931). I bought some bulbs last Autumn from the Duchy of Cornwall Nursery marketed by a Cornish supplier specialising in the older varieties. (can't remember the supplier's name but I shall be on the look out for more varieties later this year)
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I'm very fond of N. 'Niveth' but here it is one of the later varieties - I find the different flowering times around the country quite fascinating. It's not just differing climates, though that is some of the reason, of course, there are other factors at work. Some plants can be coming out at exactly the same time as others hundreds of miles away while some are way behind ( seldom in front!!)
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Maggi, thank you for created this new April thread and moved my previous post from March one to here. Your maintenance work is always helpful ;)
David, I admire such heritage daffodils are still preserving in your country. Only very limited narcissus varieties are available here.
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A couple from the garden (grown in pots though Mark!). Pics could have been better but I wasn't in "creative" mood!
Narcissus triandrus 'Lemon Drops' from Rob Potterton's List
N. 'Quail'
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Tatsuo I wish I new that about Ice wings, mine have been in the wet pretty much all Summer along with most of my daffs, just hope that basal rot and favourable growing conditions causing splitting into multiple non flowering bulbs has not occurred.
Guess time will tell, I may have my own flat soon so might be ale to get some into the ground, bit late though.
Lots of the hoops are already popping up, might be an early season this year-I reckon its going to be a cold one here in Dunedin unlike last years very mild autumn and winter
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Two other spring beauties on a sunny spring day: Narcissus johnstonii (from Avon Bulbs), and a tiny beauty from Hügin, called Sea Princess, with delicate starry petals, starting with a gold trumpet, and ending pure white two weeks later:
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Sea Princess looks very nice - how big is it, Zephirine?
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Narcissus x jonquilla
Received as cv. ‘April Tears’, this is clearly a jonquil; I suspect one of the common dwarf cvs. such as ‘Baby Moon’.
It is deliciously scented &, like all jonquils in my experience, responds to a very hot, dry summer bake.
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Nice photo, Gerry - I can smell it from here! :)
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Hello,
Finally my N. romieuxii mes-atlanticus openend today, having been in bud for almost 5 months. As winter hit us mid-November my romieuxii "patch" had three buds, one about to open, one just out of the ground, and this one just peaking up amongst the gravel. The two buds that were up were both destroyed by the frost, but this one made it. We have had one of the coldest winters on record, with several weeks with temperatures between -5 and -10 C, and minimum -14 C, and no snow for the first 6 weeks and so a deep frost. The leaves were clearly affected by the frost, and after the taw I performed Ian's "tug-test". All small Narcissii in pots, and several in the ground, came 'sliding' out in response to a gentle tug (not a good sign). This patch, on the other hand, is emminently tuggable, pull one leaf, and the others shake along with it.
I am hopeful they will be back in the autumn, which brings me to a question: Is there a way of 'kick-starting' these bulbs a month or two earlier, so that they would bloom in October rather than in November/December?
Knud
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Some more Narcissus whithout a name (from a time I didn't note the names of plants :-[)
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Sea Princess looks very nice - how big is it, Zephirine?
It is about 10-12 cm high (4 inches?), Annew. It is its first year in the garden, so maybe it will be a bit taller next year (I already experienced this with another narcissus).
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Thank you Zephirine, it will be interesting to see if it is the same next year. Very pretty.
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This is my pot of N.chiva its a lovely little ball of sunshine
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Well done, Dave - I have not been able to keep that one going.
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hello all,
since yesterday in bloom....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/ret002.jpg?t=1301910267)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/ret001.jpg?t=1301910176)
cheers
chris
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You can grow that outside, Chris?
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Well done, Dave - I have not been able to keep that one going.
Anne its the only one daff I have except the seed you sent, that has germinated lovely,i think some mini trumpets is next on the agenda.
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hello anne,
yes, with rainprotection over the winter months....
cheers
chris
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Well done, Dave - I have not been able to keep that one going.
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Anne - I think of you as the Narcissus Guru .... what hope for the rest of us (Dave excepted, clearly)?
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Here are Narcissus nobilis ( more or last the latest ) :D
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Here are Narcissus nobilis ( more or last the latest ) :D
Hans, noble persons are always the latest! ;)
Extraordinary plant!
Gerd
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;D Thanks Gerd ;D
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Well done, Dave - I have not been able to keep that one going.
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Anne - I think of you as the Narcissus Guru .... what hope for the rest of us (Dave excepted, clearly)?
Well clearly it is the plant at fault, not me. ;D
Hans, that is a suberb flower.
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:D Thank you Anne !
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Here are a few currently blooming.
Emcys- always a wonderful display
Segovia-new this season and very delicate, about 4cm.
I think this is Lilac Charm, but it may be Waif. Anybody know the difference? Also, does this look like virus on the corona?
Wheatear-another new this season. Needs to clump-up
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No 3 looks more like Waif as shown on Daffseek see http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Waif&lastpage=1&
If Brian Duncan is lurking he would be able to give you the answer.
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Very warm weather is sending the narcissi over quickly, but the sun on the flowers is irresistible.
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More:
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More:
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Last few:
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Found this growing at a garden visited this week a narcissus that thinks it's a gladioli
Also N x intermedius
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More:
Anne Narcissus Lemon silk is stunning what a lovely looking Daff,you couldn't point me in the right direction to get some?
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It's quite readily available, I love it. Try Ron Scamp. http://www.qualitydaffodils.com/search.php?mode=search
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Made lots of pictures this week here:
Narcissus Golden Cycle
Narcissus Jack Snipe
Narcissus Dove Wings
Narcissus Rapture
Narcissus Kea
Narcissus Delta Flight
Narcissus Frogmore
Narcissus Surfside
Narcissus x intermedius
Narcissus Emperor's Waltz
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some more
Narcissus Sumo Jewel
Narcissus Winged Victory
Narcissus gayi
Narcissus Garden Princess
Narcissus Kathy's Clown
Narcissus Carclew
Narcissus canaliculatus
Narcissus Apricot
Narcissus Cotinga
Narcissus aureus ssp. bertolinii
If you like I have still more
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Once again N. rupicola, N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus and N. x rupidulus
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Rafa
Wonderful shots of two of my favourite Narcissus :) :) :)
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Thank you Arthur!,
Me too, N. triandrus is my favourite, because I consider it, the responsable of most of the species in the genus in the past in the present and in the future. I think it is a very old species... it seems it isen't ideed members of this genus.. is like a Narcissi machine creating new species, and the rest are not so capable
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As always, it is a pleasure to see pictures from the natural habitat! Thank you.
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Heaven! What species of beetle is eating the flower?
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Luit, some very nice flowers there. Surfside is particularly good.
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Heaven! What species of beetle is eating the flower?
Anne its a type of chafer a relative of the cockchafer or rosechafer i think.Anthony will know though.
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Yes I am sure Anthony could clarify the ID of this species, and also this one... I think it could be any Merodon sp#
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Once again N. rupicola, N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus and N. x rupidulus
Rafa - In the UK, N. rupicola seems quite easy to grow but many people (including me) find N. triandrus very difficult so it's interesting, but puzzling, to see the two species growing side by side.
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I know this, Jim Archibald mentioned me the same. It is certainly puzzling as they grows in similar ecological niches. Both species needs an absolute dry dormancy during summer. In this particular place it could rain 2 o 3 times (and very few water) during summer season. Full sun exposition during most time possible is also important, more than N. rupicola case. Sorry I would say N. triandrus pallidulus.
I will send you seeds next seasson.
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I am interested that you say full sun is necessary for N. triandrus, as almost all the sites we saw it in Portugal last year were on shady banks or under trees. Would it have been a different subspecies?
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Hello,
Daffodil ID please.
Does anyone know this filled/double daffodil that opened today, species or name? It has probably been in our garden since the house was built, in 1937. Well before that it used to be planted along the stone fences separating the fields on the island, possibly for cut flower production, and it is called just "old fashioned daffodil" here.
Thank you,
Knud
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It is 'Telamonius Plenus' (syn Van Sion) see
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Telamonius%20Plenus&lastpage=1&
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Knud / Anne
Here's 'Telemonius Plena' in Nova Scotia. It has been around here for more than 125 years and still as vigorous as can be, with immaculate foliage too. Very strange that it has not fallen victim to virus after such a long time in the trade. Does anyone know exactly when it came about in the trade?
Note how the unopened buds are green in our fog belt.
johnw
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Rafa what an amazing photo of the species in the wild. Would love to tip toe through them.
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Thank you, Anne, for this very quick ID, six minutes! I seriously thought that this would "give them something to chew on" for a few days, so what can I say but I'm very impressed, and grateful. I have wondered about the identity of this daffodil for many years, as it used to be a prominent feature many places on the island, more because of it being such an obvious and exotic alien than numerous. Now it is mainly found in gardens, but I think there are a few places left along some stone walls, I will go and see if I can take a few pictures.
The link you provided is very interesting, and it told a more detailed story about 'Telamonius Plenus' than I had thought was possible when I posted the question yesterday. Have you checked the link, John, it may answer your question. It is very nice plants you are showing, here too they can be slightly green before opening. We do not exactly get your fogs, but we do get our fair share of drab springs. I find that this daffodil clumps up here, I have never noticed seeds or seedlings, I have to check now. If the clumps get to big and congested the flowering suffers, so I try now to split them every 3 to 5 years or so. It seems to work.
Thanks again,
Knud
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I am interested that you say full sun is necessary for N. triandrus, as almost all the sites we saw it in Portugal last year were on shady banks or under trees. Would it have been a different subspecies?
You are right Anne, I would say pallidulus, always grows in open places, but rupicola grows also into the forest, and not necesary in granite fisures. There is only one place where N. rupicola grows in limestone and also there are very few places where N. triandrus pallidulus grows in limestone.
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Can you perhaps suggest an ID from these photos? Both central Portugal:
Site 1
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Site 2:
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And now for something completely different, as they say. On Saturday David helped judge 'The East of England Championship' - Twelve cultivars representing each of Divisions I to IV, one stem of each. The winner was Colin Gilman. He also won Class Two which was Nine cultivars, not less than three Divisions, one stem of each. I thought some of you would be interested to see them. The photos are of all the entries for the East of England, Colin's winning entry and his Class Two entry. In due course David will put them on the Spring Show Gallery of the Norfolk and Norwich Horticultural Society website http://www.nnhs.org.uk/springshowgaller.html although at the moment that gallery is still pictures from last years show.
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The flowers are admirably perfect aren't they? It must be a lot of work and dedication beforehand to get them like that.
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What a display of cut flowers..... so neat and smart. I'm missing that darn scent button again. :-X
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They are, as you say, almost perfect, and the dedication put into growing them is admirable. It blows our minds away every year (even the poorer years like this year). Here are portraits of the twelve
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The scent was amazing Maggi 8)
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Super portraits of the flowers, too.
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Magnificant pictures Rafa! :o
Think the beetle is Tropinota hirta - the same who likes to destroy Oncoflowers here. :(
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I am not very interesed in hybrids but seeing this display is impossible to not recognize their beauty, thank you Brian.
Anne, this interesting... maybe they were there before this trees. One of characters in N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus is that it has glaucous leaves and stem due the wax. It use the wax and its conposition to be protected from the UVA daiation from the direct sun exposure.
Thank you Hans! it seems this insect has a good taste :D
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Narcissus assoanus
A trade form of unknown provenance. A very hot, completely dry summer bake promotes flowering.
With N. poeticus, this the last narcissus to flower here.
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Rafa, looking at my photographs, there seems to be quite a lot of variation in leaf/stem colour from green to glaucous (maybe this is connected to how sunny a place they are growing in?) The label cernuus on the photo is because that is a name we were given, but I think this name is not valid now, is this correct? Also leaf width was variable, which is one of the things mentioned in the key I have been trying to use.
I must confess - I was so excited to see them :D, I was not too scientific in my observations. :-[
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You certainly seem to have the knack of flowering them, Gerry.
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You certainly seem to have the knack of flowering them, Gerry.
A recently acquired knack Anne. In earlier years I hesitated to keep them too hot during the summer. Now I know that I can bake them within an inch of their lives & they like it (so far anyhow).
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They are, as you say, almost perfect, and the dedication put into growing them is admirable. It blows our minds away every year (even the poorer years like this year). Here are portraits of the twelve
Stunning. Thanks Brian (and David).
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Made a visit to Lanhydrock House and Garden in Cornwall yesterday (more pics in Rhodo thread, Trees in Parks and Gardens thread, and Visits to Gardens thread.
Loads of these Daffs in drifts which to my eye (untutored!) look like Narcissus poeticus, but may be a hybrid. Those with a tutored eye will put me right!
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They must have smelled good, David.... that's (another) of my favourite scents!!
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Hi David,
It is pretty close to the wild species but because of the broader sepales I think it might be Narcis poeticus Actaea. But maybe someone else might think different.
I also want to request an identification:
This looks like a cultivar with N. poeticus blended in it. It flowers earlier than N. poeticus but for a long time. I picked the bulbs up after a university terrain had been bulldozered. That terrain had been neglected and full of blackberries for 15 years so it's probably a strong breed if it could survive all that.
Thanks,
Rob
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Some of my large daffs;
Altruist
Calverley
Charlie Connor
Dorchester
Filoli
Goldfinger
High Society
Lavender Mist
Misty Glen
Oregon Snow
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and...
Phantom
Pipit
Silent Valley
Sportsman
Tutankhamun
Whickham Village
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Hi David,
It is pretty close to the wild species but because of the broader sepales I think it might be Narcis poeticus Actaea. But maybe someone else might think different.
I also want to request an identification:
This looks like a cultivar with N. poeticus blended in it. It flowers earlier than N. poeticus but for a long time. I picked the bulbs up after a university terrain had been bulldozered. That terrain had been neglected and full of blackberries for 15 years so it's probably a strong breed if it could survive all that.
Thanks,
Rob
Thanks Rob, you could well be right. Can't help with yours I'm afraid. Where's Gerry when you need him? ;D
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What a lovely collection Gail. The only one I have of all of those is Pippit.
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Made a visit to Lanhydrock House and Garden in Cornwall yesterday (more pics in Rhodo thread, Trees in Parks and Gardens thread, and Visits to Gardens thread.
Loads of these Daffs in drifts which to my eye (untutored!) look like Narcissus poeticus, but may be a hybrid. Those with a tutored eye will put me right!
David - your daff looks very like the plants of N. poeticus recurvus ('Pheasant's Eye') which I bought from a garden centre last autumn & which are in flower now. Very attractive & strongly scented - about 60cm tall.
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After viewing the collection of Gail I think mine might be 'High Society'. At least I think they are very similar.
Gail you must have a wonderful garden at this time of year.
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There are several similar ones Rob, so I would be wary of putting a name to one on the basis of a photo. Most of mine I showed photos of are fairly new acquisitions that I've got in pots. My garden itself has some wonderful plants, bravely holding their heads above a sea of ground elder and nettles...
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The Spring 2011 show results are up on the NNHS gallery:
http://www.nnhs.org.uk/springshowgaller.html
the slideshow is of those awarded first prize in the various classes.
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Thanks for the link Brian - some very desirable Narcissus on show.
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The Spring 2011 show results are up on the NNHS gallery:
http://www.nnhs.org.uk/springshowgaller.html
the slideshow is of those awarded first prize in the various classes.
Such Narcissus perfection!
Brian - Do you know the name of that smashing pink rhododendron?
johnw
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Made a visit to Lanhydrock House and Garden in Cornwall yesterday (more pics in Rhodo thread, Trees in Parks and Gardens thread, and Visits to Gardens thread.
Loads of these Daffs in drifts which to my eye (untutored!) look like Narcissus poeticus, but may be a hybrid. Those with a tutored eye will put me right!
David - your daff looks very like the plants of N. poeticus recurvus ('Pheasant's Eye') which I bought from a garden centre last autumn & which are in flower now. Very attractive & strongly scented - about 60cm tall.
Thanks Gerry you are probably right, I didn't detect a scent but that doesn't surprise me. There are lots of Pheasant's Eyes in the field edges and hedgerows around the Tamar valley where it used to be extensively grown for the cut flower market in the years up to the 2nd World War. During the war the Daff fields were turned over to the production of vegetables and so I'm told, bulbs dug up later were chucked into the hedges.
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Gail's Oregon Snow is a particularly lovely shape.
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The Spring 2011 show results are up on the NNHS gallery:
http://www.nnhs.org.uk/springshowgaller.html
the slideshow is of those awarded first prize in the various classes.
Such Narcissus perfection!
Brian - Do you know the name of that smashing pink rhododendron?
johnw
John I haven't the name but will make a note to ask Peter Boardman next time I see him (I take it you mean Class 73), it will be no surprise to know that with such wonderful exhibits he is Cecilia Coller's brother :)
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and from the show world...
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I think Astrid's Memory is a really good show daffodil, I always admire it when I see it.
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....and from Scamp's "100 bulbs for £10 selection" a nice unknown for the garden...
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My first cantabricus buds showing today :)
Good bye summer but hello early mini daffs, makes the Winter go so quickly.
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A new hybrid between N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus and N. bulbocodium subsp. graellsii (mother), it is really rare.
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It is very nice, Rafa - a good find! I have made this cross this year, so I hope mine are as pretty.
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This is fantástc! did you make the crosses in both directions? When N. graellsii is the mother is very very rare, I only seen twice in my life, but when triandrus pallidulus is the mother this is unique!