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Title: Adonis 2011
Post by: YT on January 27, 2011, 09:10:34 AM: :) Adonis season is coming :)

Adonis ramosa 'Shu-ho(朱宝)' has opened its flower today. I realised the flower has a slightly scent when I move the pot.
Title: Adonis 2011
Post by: WimB on January 27, 2011, 09:37:44 AM: A wonderful "Vermillion treasure", Tatsuo. Thanks for showing.
Do you grow a lot of cultivars?
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Post by: fleurbleue on January 27, 2011, 09:44:17 AM: A warm color in these cold days :D Thank you Tatsuo !
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Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 27, 2011, 01:38:04 PM: An extraordinary colour Tatsuo !! :o :o
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Post by: YT on January 27, 2011, 04:18:37 PM: Thank you for all comments!

Hi Wim! Good translation! I've got several varieties and species, but not so many :)

Nicole, this parabola shaped flower is a real solar heater for pollinators, so this flower probably makes you warm ;)

Luc, it is an unexpected happy surprise for me to see such a deep orange flower :)
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Post by: ichristie on January 27, 2011, 04:37:47 PM: Hi, thanks for showing the Adonis picture all I can say is WOW, fantastic, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Post by: Armin on January 27, 2011, 04:48:44 PM: Beautiful :o 8) 8)
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Post by: kalle-k.dk on January 27, 2011, 05:36:32 PM: Hi

It is still cold here in Denmark but in my greenhouse there is one of my new Adonis in bloom, later when it is spring I will plant into my garden.
Tatsuo; great picture and a fantastic Adonis you got. Do you have experience with Adonis from seeds? I have made Adonis cyllenea, Adonis brevistyla and Adonis sibirica from seeds but never any of the japanese species as for exsample ramosa, multiflora and amurense. I grow all my Adonis in my garden and my experience say they dont like growing in pots. I mean there is a big risk for fungus if they grow in pots, do you give them fungicide? All my Adonis in the garden have allready big shoots and it will be very exciting to see them the next month.

Karl Kristensen
Denmark
www.kalle-k.dk
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Post by: fleurbleue on January 27, 2011, 05:45:17 PM: An other nice flower Karl :D I'm found of Adonis since I saw their pictures on this forum ;D
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Post by: cohan on January 27, 2011, 08:01:47 PM: Quote from: YT on January 27, 2011, 09:10:34 AM
:) Adonis season is coming :)

Adonis ramosa 'Shu-ho(朱宝)' has opened its flower today. I realised the flower has a slightly scent when I move the pot.

I agree with the others: wonderful colour!
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Post by: Paul T on January 27, 2011, 10:45:15 PM: Spectacular, both of them. But the orange one sitting at ground level in particular. Not a genus I'm aspiring to grow..... I think that that is one that is likely to intensely dislike our heat? I'd try it for that orange though.... just so beautiful.
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Post by: YT on January 28, 2011, 04:54:28 AM: Thank you for all comments again and I’m so happy :) :D ;D

Karl, your ‘Yamato (大和/倭)’ is a really little beauty and I’m looking forward to your post next month. Unfortunately I don’t have any experience with Adonis. I started to grow them last November. I received an email from Wim (a SRGC member) about Japanese Adonis cultivers and he made my interest forward to Adonis at that time. I think Japanese enthusiasts (and even nurseries) usually grow them in pots. They say Adonis likes relatively dry soil condition in pots and must use AKADAMA, KANUMA and pumice blend media (you can see the soil my picture as above) to keep highly drainage.

For reference, these are Japanese Adonis pictures links. You can see some of them are grown in pots at nursery.

http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~yamakusa/newpage62.html
http://www.geocities.jp/fukujusou2004/gallery/hinshu1.html
http://www.geocities.jp/fukujusou2004/gallery/hinshu2.html
Title: Re: Adonis 2011
Post by: cohan on January 28, 2011, 08:03:14 PM: Quote from: YT on January 28, 2011, 04:54:28 AM
Thank you for all comments again and I’m so happy :) :D ;D

Karl, your ‘Yamato (大和/倭)’ is a really little beauty and I’m looking forward to your post next month. Unfortunately I don’t have any experience with Adonis. I started to grow them last November. I received an email from Wim (a SRGC member) about Japanese Adonis cultivers and he made my interest forward to Adonis at that time. I think Japanese enthusiasts (and even nurseries) usually grow them in pots. They say Adonis likes relatively dry soil condition in pots and must use AKADAMA, KANUMA and pumice blend media (you can see the soil my picture as above) to keep highly drainage.

For reference, these are Japanese Adonis pictures links. You can see some of them are grown in pots at nursery.

http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~yamakusa/newpage62.html
http://www.geocities.jp/fukujusou2004/gallery/hinshu1.html
http://www.geocities.jp/fukujusou2004/gallery/hinshu2.html

The creams and oranges and other inbetween colours are all especially nice!
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Post by: YT on February 05, 2011, 12:05:53 PM: Adonis ramosa 'Hi-no-de (日の出)' opened its cupper orange flower today :)
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Post by: WimB on February 05, 2011, 03:55:27 PM: Very beautiful, YT. Thanks for showing.
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Post by: Paul T on February 05, 2011, 10:36:12 PM: Wow!! Thanks Tatsuo
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Post by: hadacekf on February 07, 2011, 05:39:20 PM: Spring is on the way to my garden in Vienna. Last week we had 20 cm snow and -9° C.

Adonis amurensis
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Post by: Armin on February 07, 2011, 07:07:17 PM: Franz,
a lovely clump of adonis 8)
Spring is the best season of the year! :D
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Post by: YT on February 10, 2011, 09:44:16 AM: Franz, a good bunch of golden parabolas you have :D

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Adonis ramosa 'Haku-hou (白宝)' is a white cultiver and fading its colour day by day. Here are 1, 3 and 5 day-old flower.
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Post by: WimB on February 10, 2011, 10:48:03 AM: Quote from: YT on February 10, 2011, 09:44:16 AM
Franz, a good bunch of golden parabolas you have :D

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Adonis ramosa 'Haku-hou (白宝)' is a white cultiver and fading its colour day by day. Here are 1, 3 and 5 day-old flower.

Nice cultivar, YT.
How white will it get?
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Post by: ian mcenery on February 10, 2011, 11:27:13 AM: Quote from: hadacekf on February 07, 2011, 05:39:20 PM
Spring is on the way to my garden in Vienna. Last week we had 20 cm snow and -9° C.

Adonis amurensis

Lovely plant Franz 8) Mine are slow to increase in what conditions do you grow yours?
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Post by: YT on February 10, 2011, 04:27:18 PM: Quote from: WimB on February 10, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
Nice cultivar, YT.
How white will it get?

Hi Wim! This cultiver is one of the newest and was released last autumn so I'm just watching :)
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Post by: hadacekf on February 10, 2011, 05:42:30 PM: I cultivate this Adonis amurensis 40 years at the same place. It is my bulb bed. The soil in the bed is limy clay. The same as I have in my garden.
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Post by: ian mcenery on February 10, 2011, 06:11:14 PM: Quote from: hadacekf on February 10, 2011, 05:42:30 PM

I cultivate this Adonis amurensis 40 years at the same place. It is my bulb bed. The soil in the bed is limy clay. The same as I have in my garden.

Thank you Franz I now see why it has spread so well - such a beauty at this time of year
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Post by: WimB on February 10, 2011, 06:53:52 PM: Quote from: YT on February 10, 2011, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: WimB on February 10, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
Nice cultivar, YT.
How white will it get?

Hi Wim! This cultiver is one of the newest and was released last autumn so I'm just watching :)

Hi YT, that's nice.

If it get's whiter, would you be so kind as to show us another picture, please?
Title: Re: Adonis 2011
Post by: kalle-k.dk on February 10, 2011, 07:21:34 PM: Thanks to Franz and YT for the beautiful pictures of Adonis, we must wait a little longer before we get to see more of our in flower, we will get snow and freezing weather for a while.
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Post by: Paul T on February 10, 2011, 10:22:55 PM: Thanks Tatsuo, that fading to white is a beauty. :o
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Post by: razvan chisu on April 23, 2011, 07:39:33 PM: Photographing Adonis vernalis in the wild I noticed that there is some variation among the plants.
But usually only the shape of the petals or of the whole flower is variable, not the colour.
Does anyone know of any Adonis vernalis cultivars? Any colour variants?
Here is a small collage of the plants growing wild here near Cluj, Romania.
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Post by: mark smyth on April 23, 2011, 08:06:14 PM: very nice Razvan.

The RHS Plant Finder lists no cultivars of A. vernalis. You could be the first!
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Post by: razvan chisu on April 24, 2011, 09:23:12 AM: yes I also had a look at the online plant finder and did not find anything. nor on google, or google books.
i guess there is no adonis monograph.
so, how does one go about naming cultivars? are there rules just like in naming new species?
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Post by: Pascal B on April 24, 2011, 10:28:22 AM: Naming cultivars is subject to rules just as naming species is. The International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants is the guideline for that: http://www.ishs.org/sci/icracpco.htm

The ICNCP is basically an extension of the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (ICBN)

Unfortunately it is not online, like the ICBN is, and needs to be purchased. Generally speaking new cultivars either are registered at a specific registration body or published in a printed form (like a nursery catalogue) for them to become official. Naming cultivars has more freedom than species because the names don't have to be in Latin of latinized. Unfortunately in some genera growers mis-use cultivars to become immortal resulting in a multitude of similar looking plants with different names which then are discussed on fora because no one can make heads of tail of them..... ;)

The most important paragraph in the ICNCP is paragraph 2.3 defining what a cultivar is:

A cultivar is an assemblage of plants that (a) has been selected for a
particular character or combination of characters, (b) is distinct, uniform, and stable
in these characters, and (c) when propagated by appropriate means, retains those
characters

A a result of this definition the best way to ensure the "purity" of a cultivar is to propagate it vegetatively but it doesn't have to as long as the offspring retains the characters that defined the cultivar. The more clearly defined the characters are that make up the cultivar, the easier it is to recognise in the course of time and doesn't get "muddled" with plants that "sort of look like" the original cultivar.
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Post by: cohan on May 04, 2011, 05:54:04 AM: Quote from: razvan chisu on April 23, 2011, 07:39:33 PM
Photographing Adonis vernalis in the wild I noticed that there is some variation among the plants.
But usually only the shape of the petals or of the whole flower is variable, not the colour.
Does anyone know of any Adonis vernalis cultivars? Any colour variants?
Here is a small collage of the plants growing wild here near Cluj, Romania.

Every one of these is nice! Any plans to collect seed ? ;)
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Post by: Ragged Robin on May 07, 2011, 11:33:57 PM: What a super sight, Franz, like pools of gold.
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Post by: Oakwood on May 16, 2011, 09:13:54 AM: Adonis wolgensis ex SE Ukraine steppes.
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Post by: WimB on May 16, 2011, 10:11:30 AM: Quote from: Oakwood on May 16, 2011, 09:13:54 AM
Adonis wolgensis ex SE Ukraine steppes.

Love that species, Dimitri. Thanks for showing!
I've never seen it for sale anywhere.
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Post by: Oakwood on May 16, 2011, 11:41:57 AM: Thanks, Wim! This species is distributed in the southern steppe regions of Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and it grows often together with A. vernalis....
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Post by: WimB on May 18, 2011, 08:49:34 AM: Quote from: Oakwood on May 16, 2011, 11:41:57 AM
Thanks, Wim! This species is distributed in the southern steppe regions of Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and it grows often together with A. vernalis....

Thanks for the info...
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Post by: Ragged Robin on May 19, 2011, 05:34:24 PM: Wonderful to see in the steppe environment.
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Post by: Oakwood on May 20, 2011, 09:12:03 AM: Quote from: Ragged Robin on May 19, 2011, 05:34:24 PM
Wonderful to see in the steppe environment.

Ragged Robin - it wasn't in the wild - simply at me in garden/ But these are pictured in the wild - Azov Sea steppe area....
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Post by: Tim Ingram on May 20, 2011, 08:32:42 PM: Adonis vernalis grows much better in our garden than amurensis. I grew a batch of seedlings of the former from Jelitto and planted out four or five. They do have enormous flowers, really striking over the beautifully cut foliage, and there is a little variation - one in particular is much paler than the norm. I must get pictures next spring. The Japanese selections shown at the beginning are extraordinary!
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Post by: Ragged Robin on May 21, 2011, 04:08:48 PM: Quote
these are pictured in the wild - Azov Sea steppe area....

Thank you Dimitri - these are wonderful photos in the wild landscape. I will be looking for this area on the map and hope to find out more about the Flora and Fauna that live there.
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Post by: Lesley Cox on May 21, 2011, 11:09:05 PM: The Adonis plants are magnificent! Iris pumila must live there as I have some little plants from seed collected in the area, courtesy Ashley Allshire. They're tiny plants that die right down to nothing in winter and make neat little tufts in the spring, smaller than even the tiniest Min dwarf bearded hybrids. I'm hoping for the first flowers in a few months. :)
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Post by: Oakwood on May 23, 2011, 08:28:08 AM: Quote from: Lesley Cox on May 21, 2011, 11:09:05 PM
The Adonis plants are magnificent! Iris pumila must live there as I have some little plants from seed collected in the area, courtesy Ashley Allshire. They're tiny plants that die right down to nothing in winter and make neat little tufts in the spring, smaller than even the tiniest Min dwarf bearded hybrids. I'm hoping for the first flowers in a few months. :)

Yes, Lesley! Ashley got its seeds from this area from me))) now you have these pumila plants too)) Very interesting to know the pumila plants from my region - SE Ukraine, now are well growing in NZ!!! wow wow wow!
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Post by: ashley on May 23, 2011, 08:46:17 PM: Dima, your packet of seed was so generous :o that I had to share it with Lesley ;)

The plants are more slender than my other I. pumila. A first flower this year was a wonderful cloudy or 'oyster' white, but unfortunately slugs spoiled it before I could take a picture. Next year at least some of the other plants should flower too 8)
I look forward to seeing yours Lesley.
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Post by: Oakwood on May 24, 2011, 04:12:54 PM: Quote from: ashley on May 23, 2011, 08:46:17 PM
Dima, your packet of seed was so generous :o that I had to share it with Lesley ;)

The plants are more slender than my other I. pumila. A first flower this year was a wonderful cloudy or 'oyster' white, but unfortunately slugs spoiled it before I could take a picture. Next year at least some of the other plants should flower too 8)
I look forward to seeing yours Lesley.

It's great, Ashley! Waiting for your colourful pumila seedling pics next year!
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Post by: cohan on May 25, 2011, 01:35:08 AM: Does anyone know of a source for (esp seed..) of these Ukrainian spp--Adonis, Iris, etc?
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Post by: WimB on May 25, 2011, 04:11:35 PM: Quote from: cohan on May 25, 2011, 01:35:08 AM
Does anyone know of a source for (esp seed..) of these Ukrainian spp--Adonis, Iris, etc?

Yes, like Cohan, I would like to know that too!
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Post by: Oakwood on May 25, 2011, 04:37:42 PM: Quote from: WimB on May 25, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
Quote from: cohan on May 25, 2011, 01:35:08 AM
Does anyone know of a source for (esp seed..) of these Ukrainian spp--Adonis, Iris, etc?

Yes, like Cohan, I would like to know that too!

Yeaa. me too! Want to know, who this person really is??? :o
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Post by: cohan on May 26, 2011, 07:41:41 PM: LOL-- I guess, Dmitri, that means this source does not exist? :(
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Post by: Oakwood on May 27, 2011, 11:48:49 AM: Quote from: cohan on May 26, 2011, 07:41:41 PM
LOL-- I guess, Dmitri, that means this source does not exist? :(
Indeed, cohan! the seed pods must be matured now - will see next week when some person visit his garden being at 700 km distance from his workplace))))))00
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Post by: cohan on May 28, 2011, 07:14:04 AM: Dmitri, must be very difficult to keep up with weeding at that distance...lol I have enough trouble, and the garden is right outside.... :P