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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: David Nicholson on January 14, 2011, 03:27:42 PM
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Here's my first of the season, what I have as Iris histrio var. aintabensis. A bit ragged round the edges perhaps but very welcome all the same.
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You didn't step on it did you David ?? :-[
A nice colour indeed and quite early ! Another sign of Spring ?? :D
Not even sign of noses here at the moment
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No I didn't step on it Luc it was on the top shelf in the greenhouse and I only have little legs :P Wonder if I have a snail around somewhere?
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Beautiful, David! Very delicate colour.
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... and here's the second one-Iris reticulata 'Evening Twilight'
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Is that one of the Mc Murtrie I. sophenensis hybrids David ?? Looks quite good, would you have a picture taken from the top ?
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Yes it is Luc, obtained from Susan Band's List. Suppose I should re-title it sophenensis x danforiae 'Evening Twilight'. It's not a good image but it's pouring down here at the moment so I'll try to get a better one if!!!! it clears up. It's a lovely little flower.
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A couple of retics which were in flower here yesterday
Both McMurtrie hybrids:
Iris 'Morning Glow'
and Iris 'Vivacious beginnings'
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Wim, David,
beautiful flowers! I've yet to try one of the names clones, although i am raising some of his seed. Although it may not be official yet, the cross sophenensis x danfordiae is often reffered to as I. x mcmurtriei.
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Wim, I really haven't seen any of Alan McMurtrie's seedlings that I haven't liked, you have two little beauties there.
Jamie, I have six pots, with around 20 in each pot, sown from Alan McMurtrie seed in September 2009 and they look to be coming back strongly this year. I shared the seed with Arthur Nicholls, Tony Goode and Lesley Cox so hopefully they all have a crop too. I can't wait for them to get to flowering size.
Luc, a ten minute break in the rain here so got another couple of images that might be slightly better than the ones I posted earlier. Not up to the Gilgemyn standard though you understand ;D
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Superb little Iris David - just as yours are Wim !! :D
I love these hybrids : 've got one comin' along in a week or so I guess - depending on the weather.
It will be most fascinating to discover the first flowers of your seedlings David !! Perhaps next year ? ???
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David, the few that came up in late 2009 came through again in '10 but no new seedlings. I have a total - all being well while now dormant, of about 10. I'd say they are at least a couple of years from flowering though, maybe 2013.
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Not being friend of hybrids I have to admit I am fascinated by the results of the work of Alan McMurtrie. Thanks for showing them!
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Same for me, .. but I still prefer species ;)
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Wim, David,
beautiful flowers! I've yet to try one of the names clones, although i am raising some of his seed. Although it may not be official yet, the cross sophenensis x danfordiae is often reffered to as I. x mcmurtriei.
I don't know if it has been published yet but I'm sure |Brian Mathew said a couple of years ago, it was to be published.
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Wim, David,
beautiful flowers! I've yet to try one of the names clones, although i am raising some of his seed. Although it may not be official yet, the cross sophenensis x danfordiae is often reffered to as I. x mcmurtriei.
I don't know if it has been published yet but I'm sure |Brian Mathew said a couple of years ago, it was to be published.
Can't find a reference to it in The Plant List or the Kew Check List.
Googling gave me this but I couldn't find the reference
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_en-GBGB353GB353&q=Iris+mcmurtriae
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One of my favourites, Iris pamphylica, started to flower. Those are seedlings (shown in 2009 already - last picture) have developed quite well.
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Hans: I think I´ll never get tired of admiring your Iris collection! What a beauty that I. pamphylica! I love its linear shape and those contrasting colours!
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Hans I agree you certainly have a fine collection which keeps getting better.
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One of my favourites, Iris pamphylica, started to flower. Those are seedlings (shown in 2009 already - last picture) have developed quite well.
Phantastic pictures - in garden, but looks as in wild...
Janis
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Awesome Hans !!! 8)
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I too like Hans prefer the species, but I am growing a significant number of McMutrie seedlings - hopeful those planted in 2006 may yield flowers this year.
Here are some specie iris.
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A cracker Hans. When you get far more seedlings than you can cope with do please remember the "dribblers" in Belgium and Devon, UK ;D
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Looking gorgeous Art !! 8)
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In 2009 Dirk gave me 3 irises - danfordiae (non-horticultural form), histrioides var sophenensis and histrioides var sophenensis x danfordiae. As a result of some sunshine and warmer weather last week, all 3 were in bloom.
The colour of both the sophenensis and the cross is too blue - it should be a 'dusky' purple. Not sure how to correct on Photoshop/
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One of my favourites, Iris pamphylica, started to flower.
Fantastic, Hans. I love the use of olives as top dressing ;D 8)
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In 2009 Dirk gave me 3 irises - danfordiae (non-horticultural form), histrioides var sophenensis and histrioides var sophenensis x danfordiae. As a result of some sunshine and warmer weather last week, all 3 were in bloom.
The colour of both the sophenensis and the cross is too blue - it should be a 'dusky' purple. Not sure how to correct on Photoshop/
Nice show Arthur. Just a word of caution though about the histrioides var. sophenensis from Dirk see
o http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2862.60 replies 70 and 74.
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Makes a bettercross than the original McMurtrie ;D ;D
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Hans,
your first pic is ... :o :o :o :o :P
I agree with janis, looks like in nature.
I still have to wait few years to get flowers from seedlings but it's worth the trouble !
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I can only say: well-meaning envy!! :o :o
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Hans,
I wait every year to see how your I. pamphyllica have developed. Since you've first shown this iris, it has really captured my imagination. Such wonderfull colours and gracefull form. I'm surprised it is not better know (other than on this thread!). I take it, it really requires an almost aril-like environment to thrive. Hope you get seed this season, now that more clones are flowering.
Jamie
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Superb plants Arthur!
Thanks for all the comments!
I am really glad it does fine and could augment their number.
I'm surprised it is not better know (other than on this thread!). I take it, it really requires an almost aril-like environment to thrive. Hope you get seed this season, now that more clones are flowering.
It is said to be tricky (B. Mathew, Janis Ruksans...), easily gets Botrytis, the bulb grows deep (here about 20 - 25 cm), the leaves become very long (actually 50 cm, about 100 cm later) and it cannot be grown in the open garden in most part of europe - this might explain this species is rarly seen in cultivation. Adding to this cultivation problems it seems to be nearly extinct in nature (think it was Janis who mentioned it).
Not with arils, but I have been told with Iris stenophylla alisonii it shares the habitat.
I get some seedpods nearly every season - unfortunately cutworms love them very much.
Fantastic, Hans. I love the use of olives as top dressing ;D 8)
;D - should try an entry with this top dressing for the next AGS Online-show ;)
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Hans,
how cold does it handle, do you think? As I am in one of the wrmest parts of Germany, as you know, it might adapt. Then there are always pots, which I use for the more delicate aris species seedlings. So far, so good in the cold lean-to, which reaches about -7°C in Winter. If there are any seeds, please keep me in mind. I'll send you a pair of scissors to deal with the cut worms! Was my favourite method, giving them their name-sake! ;D
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Think moisture is a more important problem than temperature. I know this species can be grown in southern and eastern germany in ventilated bulbframes where it can be very cold in winter. The main difference is the conditions are much more stable than in cologne where wet weather (with high air moisture) changes with freezing regulary.
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Some more emerging 'reticulate' irises
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Your pamphylica is stunning Hans.
You have some lovely retics Arthur, how long have you been growing the Iris reticulata kopetdagense and how do you find it? Has it ever set seed for you? George really scored against the western botanists by naming it as there is already an Iris (juno sect) kopetdagense.
My plants seem like a rather miffy vesion of J S Dijt.
Leonid Bondarenko suggests it really is a distinct species because he cant get it to cross with other forms of Iris reticulata.
Some where I read that ther are two forms of it one with leaves at flowering and one without.
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Peter
I obtained my Iris kopetdaghensis from Leonid Bondarenko in 2008. It has done well for me, but never set seed
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Arthur, I bought one from Tony Dickerson a few years ago which has never set seed either. It may have come from Leonid but I don't know, it has increaced. I bought another one directly from Leonid, l think it was last year but it might have been 2009. I shall be trying to pollinate them with each other....
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Nice plants Arthur.
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how long have you been growing the Iris reticulata kopetdagense and how do you find it? Has it ever set seed for you? George really scored against the western botanists by naming it as there is already an Iris (juno sect) kopetdagense.
Leonid Bondarenko suggests it really is a distinct species because he cant get it to cross with other forms of Iris reticulata.
Some where I read that there are two forms of it one with leaves at flowering and one without.
There are two Iris reticulata from Turkmenistan part of Kopetdag, grown under name "Iris kopetdaghense". One stock I got from Alan McMurtrie, who got them directly from Dr. Rodionenko, whose team collected and described this "species" as Iridodyctium kopetdaghense. Russian botanists separate reticulata irises as different genus Iridodyctium. As I was informed - DNS researches didn't confirm such separation. So the name can't be accepted even in case if it is different from other reticulatas, because there are Juno species with such name (Juno - another genus separated by Russian botanists from Iris).
Another is distributed by Leonid Bondarenko reported as collected by himself quite close to locus classicus of Rodionenko plant.
Although both (McMurtrie's and Bondarenko's) are almost identical by flower they are different in development of leaves. In McMurtries plants leaves develop later and at blooming time they are distinctly below flowers. This is one of features used by Rodionenko colleagues describing it as new species (not important by my opinion). In Bondarenko's stock leaves are at level of flowers or even overtop them.
I don't think that "I. kopetdaghense" (reticulate) is separate species. Just the difference between both - McM and LB stocks confirms that. Both stocks are fertile, well set seeds although I never pollinated them artificially or tried to cross with other forms. Really there are no important differences with other Iris reticulata forms. Of course - could be on genetic level, but such has no importance for practical gardener as they are unusable on field or garden.
In my collection I'm naming them "Iris reticulata "Kopet Dag" MCM type or LB type.
Janis
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Thanks Janis for the further clarification.
I think the plant is very much better than most garden reticulate iris, and it is incrasing ;D
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Iris reticulata harmony ?
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Thankyou Janis, from me too.
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Iris reticulata harmony ?
I always think it's a nice one Michael. I reckon mine will need another couple of weeks.
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Iris reticulata harmony ?
I always think it's a nice one Michael. I reckon mine will need another couple of weeks.
We should be so lucky! Much longer for us in Aberdeen. :( Thanbk goodness for photos like this to share. Just seeing that colour makes me feel better. So cold here!
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Iris reticulata harmony ?
Harmony or Joyce - both very similar, diference in flower tube, but not remember which one has blue and which one whitish. Too long ago I grew both and made some observations about differences between reticulata cultivars.
Janis
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Iris reticulata harmony ?
I always think it's a nice one Michael. I reckon mine will need another couple of weeks.
We should be so lucky! Much longer for us in Aberdeen. :( Thanbk goodness for photos like this to share. Just seeing that colour makes me feel better. So cold here!
Also here in Belgium, Maggi. Today, much sun, but barely above zero. At night, five degrees below.
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As Frankie said, barely above zero in Belgiu... but the sunshine made it warm enough to get them moving under glass :
Iris sophenensis x danfordiae "Beautiful Day"
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Nice one Luc, one of Alan McMurtrie's?
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Yep..David, through Latvia though... ;D
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First reticulata in the garden is this 'no label', possibly 'Gordon'.
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As Frankie said, barely above zero in Belgium...
But you must be warmed through by "Aussie" Kim's victory at the Australian Open ;D
cheers
fermi
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We are Fermi, we are !!! 8) 8) Even need sunglasses... ;D
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Another famouis Belgian to add to the list :P
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Another famous Belgian to add to the list :P
And she is a real charmer, isn't she... have to love that smile of hers!
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aren't we all Maggi.... aren't we all... 8) ;)
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aren't we all Maggi.... aren't we all... 8) ;)
Well, my friend Charlotte is and Rita and Marijke .......... 8) were you thinking of others???
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:-X :-X :-\ ;D
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Ah, I see you were meaning more........ well, there are the couple of dozen Belgian forumists, for a start.... plus all those nice VRV forumists..... so I suppose you may be right ;D
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This is the first flower from a pot of seed (allegedly of Armenian Caucasus origin) sown 7 years ago! Another flower is on the way so I've removed a stamen and popped it in the fridge. It is not as red as I was expecting but I'm not disappointed at all. Given I struggle to grow reticulatas at all I'm pleased with it. It is slightly less blue than the picture indicates.
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Well done Darren.
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first Iris flowers here in the glasshouses
Iris (Iridodyctium) kolpakowskiana
Iris (Iridodyctium) kopetdagense
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Wonderful Gerhard, and that goes for the images too.
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first Iris flowers here in the glasshouses
Iris (Iridodyctium) kolpakowskiana
Iris (Iridodyctium) kopetdagense
The first is Alma-Ata form, may be could be worth to name "var. almaatensis"?
The second is LB form, not exact;ly responding with diagnosis of so named "kopetdaghense" - in attachment pictures of both LB and McM - note the difference (leaf development)
Janis
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Janis
Interestingly, my plants came from Leonid and have their leaves at flowering time.
The leaves are quite long already and remind me a little of Iris Zagrica - a pretty iris when the leaves are below the flower, but all too soon they submerge the flower.
PS Now have my hands on your 'Magnum Opus' and am very impressed.
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PS Now have my hands on your 'Magnum Opus' and am very impressed.
And me! I received it today. Fantastic.
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Janis,
the flowers in your picture of the "McMurtrie" form of I 'kopetdagense' look more robust, more horizontal haft and style arms, the stands look broader too. Do you find this is true?
The plants I have are Leonid's form and I find the angle of the haft quite distinctive , and the very narrow, wavey stands. It does however remind me of J S Dijt.
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Janis,
the flowers in your picture of the "McMurtrie" form of I 'kopetdagense' look more robust, more horizontal haft and style arms, the stands look broader too. Do you find this is true?
The plants I have are Leonid's form and I find the angle of the haft quite distinctive , and the very narrow, wavey stands. It does however remind me of J S Dijt.
I don't think that those are important features to distinguish species. There are no surprise that they are different a little - that you will find in any species. By color they really looks very close to J.S. Dijt.
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PS Now have my hands on your 'Magnum Opus' and am very impressed.
Happy man. I still didn't receive nor my author copies, nor additionally ordered. Even more - my Latvian friend and colleague (author of cv. Jurpils pictured in book) got mail from publisher that all copies are sold out and he must wait till end of March when 2-nd print will be available. In this case I'm not enjoyed by so nice information.
Janis
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Here is one from Dirk. I reticulata from Gechard Armenia
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Really beautiful Iris reticulata Ian, it has wonderful colours!
Here a shot of Iris pamphylica "seedlings" I took today - I am surprised how floriferous they are this year. Pictured are 9 flowering plants.
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Hans, one word: WOW!
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Hans, one word: WOW!
Second person: WOW!!
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Another WOW :o
Luckily, this species has no problems with germination ;)
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Iris zagrica from the sale of Jim Archibald's collection last Autumn.
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Iris zagrica from the sale of Jim Archibald's collection last Autumn.
Yes! Excellent.
Janis
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Hans and Alex stunning iris. I will have to rethink this group which I thought would not grow here iff you can grow Iris pamphylica Hans so well.
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Thank you for sharing us such lovely iris pics :)
Iris hyrcana, from Janis, has opened its first flower today. Original collection: Talish, S Azerbaijan near Lerik and vil. Buludul. (RSZ-8706, 8741)
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Thank you for sharing us such lovely iris pics :)
Iris hyrcana, from Janis, has opened its first flower today. Original collection: Talish, S Azerbaijan near Lerik and vil. Buludul. (RSZ-8706, 8741)
My most loved reticulata species.
Janis
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very nice species, this is Iris zagrica
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Iris reticulata 'Purple Gem' is my first retic in the garden as always.
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Lovely images folks.
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Beautifull pictures, the zagrica is stunning, Iris hyrcana is flowering here in two forms too. also bakeriana and a seedling I sowed from Alan McMurtries breeding of Iris reticulata,
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another picture of the McMurtrie seedling and some of his danfordiae hybreds
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and another sophiensis x danfordiae
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What an impressive series Peter !!! :o :o :o
The pots of hyrcana are breathtaking !
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Thanks Luc, but I never get seed on the small form, glad to swap bulbs for a gene pool. It all came from one bulb eight years ago.
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Peter T - some lovely forms there.
Where did you get the Iris bakeriana? It looks close to the Hort form which I believe to be a hybrid but if the leaves are cylindrical, many ribbed then it is true Iris bakeriana. I obtained seed from Iran via a seed-ex some years ago labelled 'reticulata'. It has turned out to be Iris bakeriana, pictured below. The leaves are quite different from all the other retics I grow ... but not an easy thing to show in pictures. Hopefully you can see what I mean. By chance the adjacent pot has the Hort form (?is it same as plant named 'Clairette'?) with its much paler standards.
The third Iris (2 paler flowers in foreground) is Iris histrio ex Turkey.
Final shot is Iris histrioides, such a fantastic blue, with Iris reticulata ex Armenia to the right.
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Hello Tony, thank you.
your histrio and histroides are lovely, and the armenian caucases reticulata is a great plant.
How wonderfull for you to get your bakeriana by such chance.
the bakeriana I pictured is, I think, the commercial form. I bought one bulb from Paul Christian about six years ago and one bulb about the same time in the RHS halls, they are identical.The leaves are round -8 ribbed but not so cylindrical as you picture.
I believe this characteristic may be variable?
I wouldn't know if it is a hybred, but it is daintier than Clairette and purple whereas Clairette is blue. Clairette and Springtime are supposed to be hybreds from bakeriana and show this in their leaves which have intermediate ribbs.
They are almost indistinguishable, one has bluer stands than the other and there is a third cultivar with a variagated leaf - I think it is called Marguerite? a strange name for an iris!.
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Great plants everyone - especially like Iris zagrica, even it might be the species with the smallest flower.
Thanks for all the comments - I am also very surprised how beautiful this small group has developed.
Hans and Alex stunning iris. I will have to rethink this group which I thought would not grow here iff you can grow Iris pamphylica Hans so well.
Hi Pat, Iris pamphylica grows well if the base is protected from too much sun, I grow it always protected by rocks, shurbs or gras on their southern side. Maybe Iris vartanii still will do better with you as your area seems to be warmer and drier - the seedlings of this species grow well - hope to get first flowers next year.
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Wonderful display!
Here is Iris histrio var.aintabensis which I recieved from a nice forum member.
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Some fantastic plants everyone. Sorry mine are a bit common
in the garden a reticulata hybrid x2 planted along with others some years ago and so far they seem to like my garden though I am not sure of its name
Also in the garden Lady Beatrice Stanley quite a striking colour
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Nothing wrong with common Ian as it means they're good and sturdy and have stood the test of time.
It is probably envy on my part but I have to wonder about the numbers of reticulata hybrids (I mean hybrids from within the whole reticulata group) that are being named and released in the northern hemisphere. It seems to me there are few differences between many and in quite a short time there will be great confusion about true identity, as one here and one there is distributed wrongly named. I think Alan McMurtrie has done fantastic work with them all, especially danfordiae, but I don't think it is wise to name so very many. Still, I guess commercial considerations come into play. Look at the snowdrop situation, blasphemous as it is of me to suggest there are too many named forms.
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Nothing wrong with common Ian as it means they're good and sturdy and have stood the test of time.
Look at the snowdrop situation, blasphemous as it is of me to suggest there are too many named forms.
No just good old common sense - and the same applies to reticulate iris.
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Nothing wrong with common Ian as it means they're good and sturdy and have stood the test of time.
Look at the snowdrop situation, blasphemous as it is of me to suggest there are too many named forms.
No just good old common sense - and the same applies to reticulate iris.
If a client of mine wants a good value Iris, Rose or Daffodill, I always tell them to pick one registerd at least 50 years ago.
I treasure all the common hybred retics though my main interest is to know the wild forms The new hybreds mostly seem quite distinct as yet thank goodness. (Unlike snowdrops and other families which hybredisers play with to the nth generation)
two more species and a hybred were open this morning. Iris histrio aint, Iris reticulata from Jim Archibald's collection, and I think 'Velvet Smile' -I'll try to check the lable tomorrow
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Wonderful display!
Here is Iris histrio var.aintabensis which I recieved from a nice forum member.
Hello Miriam, here in the cool northern Europe is also this Iris in flower.
We have to time a clima like in Israel ? ;D
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Some cultivars and species which were flowering here this week:
Iris 'Alida'
Iris 'Beautiful Day'
Iris 'Blue Ice'
Iris danfordiae
Iris 'Evening Twilight'
Iris 'George'
Iris 'Gordon'
Iris 'Harmony'
Iris histrioides 'Angels' Eye'
Iris hyrcana
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And two more:
Iris 'Morning Glow'
and Iris 'Vivacious Beginnings'
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Some lovely stuff here over the past few days folks.
Here are a few of mine.
Iris histrioides 'Frank Elder'
I. reticulata 'Alida'
I. reticulata 'Edward'
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Peter,
I love your I. histrio var aintabensis and your 'Velvet Smile'. Very nice plants.
David,
I planted 'Frank Elder' last year. The buds are just showing here.
I like 'Edward' a lot too. Do you know what the parent plants of 'Edward' are?
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Nice plants everyone, I have some more.
‘Katharine Hodgkin’ (1)
'Pixie' (2)
‘Violet Beauty’(3)
'Halkis'(4 and 5)
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Wonderful to see so many now, in our summer, or what remains of it. I especially like 'Halkis,' the last two pics.
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Peter,
I love your I. histrio var aintabensis and your 'Velvet Smile'. Very nice plants.
David,
I planted 'Frank Elder' last year. The buds are just showing here.
I like 'Edward' a lot too. Do you know what the parent plants of 'Edward' are?
Thankyou Wim, Your plants are looking well.
Gordon is supposed to be Iris Cantab x Iris bakeriana, I believe that Cantab appeared in a bed of Iris reticulata var cyanea at E. A. Bowles garden.
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......I like 'Edward' a lot too. Do you know what the parent plants of 'Edward' are?
Haven't a clue Wim. Somewhere I have a list of reticulata forms with their history but can't find it.
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Thank you for sharing so lovely dwarf gems. Iris reticulata 'Halkis' has bloomed here :)
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Here are the first of my iris grown from McMurtrie seed sown in 2006. Glad they have not got that muddy/murky look about them that so many have.
The first shot is of 98- PU
The third shot is the latest iris to bloom in the bulb house (not McMurtrie) - think it is hyrcana unless someone knows better.
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Nice Mc Murtrie hybrids Art ! Patience has been rewarding !! ;)
Have you sown many more of these ?
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Initially I bought a thousand seeds - they were received as perhaps 40 packets of different crosses. I gave a lot away.
Only one seed germinated winter 2006/7 - I think it was not cold enough. Many more germinated the next winter.
I bought a share of David Nicholson's purchase and planted them last year.
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Wow... many nice surprises to look forward to in the coming years !! :D
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Thank you for sharing so lovely dwarf gems. Iris reticulata 'Halkis' has bloomed here :)
Halkis is one of my favourites!
Janis
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The third shot is the latest iris to bloom in the bulb house (not McMurtrie) - think it is hyrcana unless someone knows better.
I suppose that third could be hyrcana.
Janis
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Here are the first of my iris grown from McMurtrie seed sown in 2006. Glad they have not got that muddy/murky look about them that so many have.
The first shot is of 98- PU
The third shot is the latest iris to bloom in the bulb house (not McMurtrie) - think it is hyrcana unless someone knows better.
Arthur,
I love your self sown McMurtrie hybrids. Very beautiful!
But I have to say I like the muddy/murky ones too :-\ Tastes differ, I guess.
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Here are the first of my iris grown from McMurtrie seed sown in 2006. Glad they have not got that muddy/murky look about them that so many have.
The first shot is of 98- PU
The third shot is the latest iris to bloom in the bulb house (not McMurtrie) - think it is hyrcana unless someone knows better.
Off to a good start with those two Arthur.
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Here are the first of my iris grown from McMurtrie seed sown in 2006. Glad they have not got that muddy/murky look about them that so many have.
The first shot is of 98- PU
The third shot is the latest iris to bloom in the bulb house (not McMurtrie) - think it is hyrcana unless someone knows better.
Arthur,
I love your self sown McMurtrie hybrids. Very beautiful!
But I have to say I like the muddy/murky ones too :-\ Tastes differ, I guess.
Wim
It is just as well we all have different tastes or life would be very boring :) :)
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Nice seedlings Arthur. The muddy/murky ones have Iris danfordiae in their makeup and generally have reduced standards. Those above obviously don't.
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A little clump of Reticulata in the garden today.
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Fabulous Michael, just fabulous ! :o
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Which one is it Michael?
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A general view of the reticulate iris section of the bulb house and a patch of irises taken only three days later
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Which one is it Michael?
No Idea, it is part of a job lot that I bought from a garden centre at the end of the season. I got 300 for €10 ;D
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Which one is it Michael?
No Idea, it is part of a job lot that I bought from a garden centre at the end of the season. I got 300 for €10 ;D
If they all succeeded like the patch you showed, your garden must look a picture - or shortly will do.
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Nice seedlings Arthur. The muddy/murky ones have Iris danfordiae in their makeup and generally have reduced standards. Those above obviously don't.
Generally I would say the named McMurtrie hybrids are of quite a high standard, Lesley ;D
All the retic pics are wonderful to see at this time when we are just planting ours :)
When we ordered seed a few years ago McMurtrie didn't sell seed of his "sophenensis x danfordiae" (s x d) crosses as he wanted to assess them all himself - his sales of seed were from open pollinated retics he also grows. But a bit of pollen from those s x d hybrids may've been carried by the bees ;D
cheers
fermi
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Yes they are all looking good at the moment with the Crocus and Eranthis. I would't even attempt to put a name on them, could be anything. They make a nice splash of colour in the garden though. I usually grow named Iris in pots.
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The patch you posted Michael looks like 'Harmony,' one of the best doers in my experience.
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impressive pictures Michael, Arthur.
Halkis is one of my favorits too Janis
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Very neat, tidy and healthy looking retics Arthur !!
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I'm really loving all these wonderful flowers. I was inspired to pick up a few pots of forced 'Harmony' (sounds like a political agenda!) and set them together with a bit of pea-gravel on top. Loooks wonderful and one could be tricked into thinking I grew these myself. Amazing what a bit of theatre decoration will do. ;D
I agree with Lesley, Michael's bounty looks like the ubiquitous 'Harmony'. It is hard to beat for sheer opulance and robustness. Wouln't be without it....any more.
Keep 'em coming. I hope to have some shots in a few weeks. The frosts are brocken and the shoots are expanding. The first 'tommis' are up in the lawn. I just adore Spring.
Jamie
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Thanks to Dirk I now have the real thing - Iris winogradowii 'Alba' :) :) :)
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Ooooohh! Fancy that.
And shown on Dirk's birthday, too! ;D
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Thanks to Dirk I now have the real thing - Iris winogradowii 'Alba' :) :) :)
WOW
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Ooooohh! Fancy that.
And shown on Dirk's birthday, too! ;D
Dear Maggi,
many thanks for the birthday greetings. Unfortunately, I must still wait some time for the flowers of this Iris.
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Not as exotic as some of the other irises on this thread, but nothing warms the heart like the first I. danfordiae emerging in spring! They actually caught me by surprise today!
(Photo by my wife Karen)
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Not as exotic as some of the other irises on this thread, but nothing warms the heart like the first I. danfordiae emerging in spring! They actually caught me by surprise today!
(Photo by my wife Karen)
I. danfordiae is a favourite of mine.
I think when they manage to "sneak" out of the ground and surprise you then that is a great treat..... all that waiting for a sign and then suddenly, one day, there they are! Fab!
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Beautiful, Tom !
They seem to be enjoying life in your garden. They even seem to be multiplying ! :D
Have you had them for long ?
Out here, they flower the first year after planting and after that, it's just leaves... :'(
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Tom it does not need to be exotic to be enjoyed.
Arthur that is a super plant.
Now for mine.It is the first flowering of Iris reticulata I collected as bulbils on the Palendoken , Turkey in 1993.
My excuse for the passing years of non flowering is neglect .It is just as I remember it.
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Beautifully formed reticulata blooms, Tony!
Yes, my danfordiae do seem to enjoy it here - those were bulbs planted in 2009, and each now has two flower buds! I did try to plant them deep, as this is recommended to help them continue and bloom after the first year.
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I given up on commercial forms of danfordiae in the garden they never flower for more than the first year however I cultivate them. Maybe I shall try one from the specialists.
Nice reticulata Tony.
Here's an unnamed form I bought from a garden centre last year.
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Iris Katharine Hodgkin and Retic Pauline
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This is the famous 'Harmony'.
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some new flowers this sunday ( without sun )
Iris reticulata from Almeh in NE-Iran
`` Olang Pass Iran ( front ) and Iran, border to Iraq; thanks Arthur ::)
histrio, dark form; left a bud from normal pale form
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and more:
Iris sophenensis x danfordiae F1 cross
2 pics several seedlings from this F1 cross
a unusual colour: Iris 'Coffee Brown', thanks Janis :D
part from my Reticulata-collection
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Some amazing retics there Dirk !! :o
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Dirk
Excellent plants - particulalrly like your F1 crosses
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Dirk
Excellent plants - particulalrly like your F1 crosses
Many thanks, Luc and Arthur.
This plants (F2 generation ) growing from seed from open pollinated flowers F1 generation,
harvest in 2003.
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And again, because she's so nice, Iris 'Katharine Hodgkin' in the rockgarden.
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I do wish I hadn't looked on this thread ... I'm now the proud owner of Irises Danforiae, Reticulata, 'Harmony' & 'Katherine Hodgkin' ;D Well, I had to start somewhere!
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Nice bunch to start with Nick. :) Plant danfordiae deep, about 15-18 cms and 'Katharine Hodgkin' doesn't like to dry right out in the summer. Keep her just slightly moist.
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.............. 'Katharine Hodgkin' doesn't like to dry right out in the summer. Keep her just slightly moist.
... and even then she can be a curmudgeonly old biddy. I had a nice clump last year in my bulb bed and here's this years results. Luckily I have a pot full grown from rice grains which should flower next year.
Also pictured is Iris reticulata 'Clairette'. I bought a new batch of ten last Autumn and this is all that have come up and that was to replace a batch that didn't appear last year. In the future I shall grow them in pots.
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My guess is erratic moisture levels when rooting and while in growth,- stimulating fungal problems, David.
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And again, because she's so nice, Iris 'Katharine Hodgkin' in the rockgarden.
I agree with this quote Frankie. Mine is also flowering at the moment...
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And again, because she's so nice, Iris 'Katharine Hodgkin' in the rockgarden.
I agree with this quote Frankie. Mine is also flowering at the moment...
WHAT! Here she is not even out of the ground! :(
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Katherine behaves with us as a very impatient girl Maggi. ;)
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a lot of extra warmth getting to some of the bulbs on here Maggie ;) KH is not showing here either, though Sheila Anne Germany has buds just coming through the surface now
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Katherine behaves with us as a very impatient girl Maggi. ;)
So it seems... here she is Sleeping Beauty :D
No extra heat around here, Peter.... I've got a big enough struggle getting Ian to heat our house :P
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My KH was in my coldframe peter and maggie no heat what so ever,but looking in my frame today i have noticed some of the iris seed from kurt Vickery is germinating ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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my KH doesn't get the luxury of frame space Davey :P
Looking in the trays I saw some of Kurts tulip and allium seeds growing, not to mention a few retics, xiphium and junos from Jim Archibalds seed 8) ;D 8) a few Iris up from Jillek's seed too, ;D
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A shot of my 'scree' taken today, plus Katharine Hodgkin and Sheila Anne Germany.
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Crikey Art, that's a midsummer scene you have there! :o
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Before the deluge :(
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Oh dear.... been raining down there too, has it?
So many of these flowers take such a frightful battering in cold rain. :'(
If some folks abroad could see the soggy winter we have they'd understand why we Brits like to have some plants in pots under glass!
One so often hears the North Americans say that they think we only grow that way because we have flower shows.... they don't seem to realise the part the weather plays in our love of alpine houses!
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A shot of my 'scree' taken today, plus Katharine Hodgkin and Sheila Anne Germany.
Nice spots of colour in your scree, Art.
Before the deluge :(
I'm sorry to here that. No rain here today, but it's going to rain the entire weekend...sometimes I really hate the Belgian climate.
To add colour to my post, some retics which were flowering here today:
Iris 'Cantab'
and 'Iris 'J.S. Dijt'
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A shot of my 'scree' taken today, plus Katharine Hodgkin and Sheila Anne Germany.
Oh I had missed that earlier on... :(
Great sight Arthur !!!
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Whats ones thoughts on the middle flower in this picture? Virused or not? Thanks.
http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forums/attachments/bulbs/25323d1297773265-iris-img_9374.jpg
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Fantastic KH Kris. So much nicer in the garden than in a pot, don't you think?
Have you been photoshopping Arthur? :D
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Whats ones thoughts on the middle flower in this picture? Virused or not? Thanks.
http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forums/attachments/bulbs/25323d1297773265-iris-img_9374.jpg
One has to register to see this image. I tried that and three times was told I hadn't entered the letter image thingy correctly. My eyesight is still well up for that. They've managed to put me right off. >:(
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Oh, didnt know that, I had checked the link and the picture came up for me.
I will ask the person if I can post their picture.
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Fantastic KH Kris. So much nicer in the garden than in a pot, don't you think?
Have you been photoshopping Arthur? :D
Lesley
Worringly Hans Achilles thinks both plants are virused.
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Returned home today to find a lovely Iris reticulata had opened, joining the smattering of I. danfordiae already in bloom. Yay!
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He could be right Arthur, with those patches of heavier, solid colour. I just thought they were colour-enhanced in some way as both have more subtle colour for me. Oddly, the one time I had seed on KH and raised them to flowering, the first flowering also had those blue patches on the standards which seedlings shouldn't have had so early. Not sure about unless they'd picked up a virus before they flowered.
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Fantastic KH Kris. So much nicer in the garden than in a pot, don't you think?
Have you been photoshopping Arthur? :D
Lesley
Worringly Hans Achilles thinks both plants are virused.
Not being specialist in plant diseases I have been sensitized by this great forum - please have a look at following topics or replies:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3057.msg74360#msg74360
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1438.msg34629#msg34629
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2862.msg107027#msg107027
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some people claim that Katherine Hodgekin is genetically unstable which causes the colour bleeding others say virus, I have never heard a scientifically definative answer, I prefere Sheila Ann Germany anyway, the colour is clearer. though I do have some KH.
Some retics here from Leonid Bondarenko, Lovely Lisa, Kolpakowskiana Solo and Enya, also Strike a Pose
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Peter
Very nice - all new to me.
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Thankyou Arthur, I have put your name in one where there may be a spare. Here is Violet Mystery, Velvet Smile and George (from last year) for comparison
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some people claim that Katherine Hodgekin is genetically unstable which causes the colour bleeding others say virus, I have never heard a scientifically definitive answer, I prefere Sheila Ann Germany anyway, the colour is clearer. though I do have some KH.
Some retics here from Leonid Bondarenko, Lovely Lisa, Kolpakowskiana Solo and Enya, also Strike a Pose
Don't trust to tales about "genetically instability" - it is only and only virus infection. Tales about "genetically instability" is very popular between Aril Iris Society members where all samples of such "unstable" hybrids turned virus infected. Both 'Sheila.....' and superficially similar 'Frank Elder' can be virus infected in same degree (AND SAME SYMPTOMS) as 'Katharine....' - only they are less cultivated, less multiplied and had less chances to get virus.
Janis
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Peter,
wonderful collection. I really like the stature of I kolpakowskiana. Have you tried crossing it with other 'reticulatas'? I've only really just begun with retics, but that one is certainly on the list to aquire.
I have to agree with Janis, this idea of genetic instability just doesn't hold water. One tends to mention it when no other answer is clearly there. Plus, as we know, not all viruses show themselves clearly and become problematic or life threatening to their host. I dare say culture has a strong impact in any case. I've never noted any sign of virus on my 'Katherine Hodgkins', and they are from a commercial source. Maybe I was just lucky as my culture with this iris was very hit or miss at first. ;)
Jamie
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Peter,
wonderful collection. I really like the stature of I kolpakowskiana. Have you tried crossing it with other 'reticulatas'? I've only really just begun with retics, but that one is certainly on the list to aquire.
I have to agree with Janis, this idea of genetic instability just doesn't hold water. One tends to mention it when no other answer is clearly there. Plus, as we know, not all viruses show themselves clearly and become problematic or life threatening to their host. I dare say culture has a strong impact in any case. I've never noted any sign of virus on my 'Katherine Hodgkins', and they are from a commercial source. Maybe I was just lucky as my culture with this iris was very hit or miss at first. ;)
Jamie
I'm afraid that kolpakowskiana (sensu lato) could be crossable (may be) only with pskemense and winkleri (or others from kolpakowskiana - I think there still are at least 2 species under that name). All other reticulatas are genetically very far from Central Asian Irises. Rodionenko those separated even as new genus Alatavia.
I was growing Katharine... for very long time, had great number of it and then - suddenly spotted one virus infected, after that - every spring I dug out a lot, checking plantings every day, replacing to new spot only healthy looking flowering size specimens and destroying all grains. Now my stock is ~10% of earlier size, but last spring I didn't saw any more with virus symptoms, but it don't mean that now it is healthy.
Janis
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Had KH for one season only - it did not survive the hot and dry summer.
In contrary 'Harmony' is lasting here many years, Iris zagrica also likes the conditions.
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I can't even get close to competing with the rest of you, but here are the stalwards in my garden, other than SJ Dijt, which also thrives, but gets creamed by slugs for some reason.
Harmony- freshly potted from the garden centre! Looks like I know what I'm doing. ;D ;D ;D (and I can always use more of this lovely.)
Katherine Hodgkins three different shots
Jamie
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I will add some colour too. All are planted outside. If anyone knows what cultivar the Iris reticulata is I would be glad to know.
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Nice, Rob!
I'ld say that retic is 'Harmony'.
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Thank you Jamie,
That might indeed be Iris reticulata 'Harmony' if I compare them with yours (also very nice). It's just that there are quite some cultivars looking very similar.
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...............other than SJ Dijt, which also thrives, but gets creamed by slugs for some reason.......
Jamie
Jamie, could I just correct the typo- it is J S Dijt.
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tooooo fast, with the fingers! At least you knew what I was going on about! 8)
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today in flower,
the black-white form from Iris zagrica
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Superb flower Dirk !
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Fantastic Dirk,
a few more here, but the rain has rather messed the ones out side
Iris reticulata kurdica, Iris winowgradowii, Iris J S Dijt, Iris Cantab
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and some hybreds,
Alida, and William, supposed to be a sibling to Natascha, I have never managed to keep Natascha, but this bulb of William is in its 2nd or 3rd year
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First flower on I winogradowii. I divided this plant last year and planted some in a different spot and I think it will need a while to settle
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today in flower,
the black-white form from Iris zagrica
Really fantastic, Dirk! It must be one of the most beautiful of reticulate-like irisses.
To give me an idea of it's size: how large are the pots in square in your picture?
You are talking about a "black-white form" of iris zagrica: is this really a genetically stable form or is i. zagrica so variable that it always produces different looking forms.
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today in flower,
the black-white form from Iris zagrica
Really fantastic, Dirk! It must be one of the most beautiful of reticulate-like irisses.
To give me an idea of it's size: how large are the pots in square in your picture?
You are talking about a "black-white form" of iris zagrica: is this really a genetically stable form or is i. zagrica so variable that it always produces different looking forms.
Thanks Luc, Peter and winwin.The pots are 13 x 13 cm and catch 2 litres of substrate. Till present the seedlings of this iris have not blossomed yet, possibly one is able to do the form with the blue ones form cross.
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A few irises here,
Iris histrioides ‘Lady Beatrix Stanley’ (foto 1)
Iris histrioides 'George' (foto 2)
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Beautiful 'Lady Beatrix Stanley' Mine are still in bud.
Isn't 'George' a reticulata hybrid, not histrioides?
Ciao,
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Isn't 'George' a reticulata hybrid, not histrioides?
Ciao,
Yes.
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Iris reticulata 'White Caucasus' is just opening in my greenhouse and I must admit to being a bit disappointed. It does look to me to have some blue shading in the white rather than being the bright white I expected. It could be, of course, that the flower needs a day or so to mature. I'll try to get a picture later in the week if it ever gets bright enough outside.
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May be wrong but I believe 'George' is histrioides (perhaps 'Major') x reticulata, hist as the seed parent so it would be thought of as a histrioides hybrid. The chunky flower and the very short foliage at flowering are typical of histrioides.
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I agree with Lesley on this one !
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Hey, Luc, did you have a good Hop this weekend?
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Beautiful 'Lady Beatrix Stanley' Mine are still in bud.
Isn't 'George' a reticulata hybrid, not histrioides?
Ciao,
Jaimie, George is listed as histroides major x J.S. Dijt. (Van Eeden)
It has the histroides major flower shape with the blotchy markings and the colouring of J S Dijt, plus hybred vigour. Compare it to Velvet Smile which I pictured earlier with a slightly different ground colour and more reticulata type markings round the signal.
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Thanks, Lesley, Peter, Luc,
I need to learn how to tell these apart...or is that not always possible. What is the opinion of 'Lady Beatrix Stanley'? I know it was found amongst histrioides, but is it considered a histrioides selcection or a hybrid? Has it born seed to anyones knowledge? I find it a serene beauty.
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I believe LBS is considerd to be a seedling of histroides major, and as such pure histroides though I dont know if it can be considerd as var major. So far as I know it is fertile though I have never had seed on it yet. I am sure there are others who hav though...?
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Isn't 'George' a reticulata hybrid, not histrioides?
Ciao,
Yes.
Story of my life, saying Yes when I meant NO ;D
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I picked up a couple of I. 'Frank Elders' this weekend and have taken a foto of them beside the relative 'Katherine Hodgkin', which is often said to be 'identical', which it isn't. Other than FE blooming about 10 days later, the colours are a bit clearer, lighter and the stands are very pale, almost white. Katherine Hodgkin's stands are very blue and netted.
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Hey, Luc, did you have a good Hop this weekend?
We did Maggi - I'm posting a small report in the AGS spring show thread ! ;)
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A couple of Alan MacMurtie's hybrids just starting to flower here now spring has arrived. Iris Sea Green and Down to Earth
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Susan, I look forward to seeing those varieties in your catalogue
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Iris reticulata 'White Caucasus' is just opening in my greenhouse and I must admit to being a bit disappointed. It does look to me to have some blue shading in the white rather than being the bright white I expected. It could be, of course, that the flower needs a day or so to mature. I'll try to get a picture later in the week if it ever gets bright enough outside.
Pic taken today. As I said the flower has only just opened but there is a pronounced very pale blue wash on it which I think does come out on the images. Has anyone else noticed this please?
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I bought Iris reticulata 'White Caucasus' at the Dunblane Early Bulb Display a week past Saturday and noticed it was blue tinged though not as blue as yours, David. I thought it was because it was just going over but it looks as if it starts bluish and fades to nearly white. There is a second flower but it is right down among the leaves and will not be easy to photograph.
I have 'Natascha' but it is not flowering this year so cannot compare them. Remembered I do have a pic of the first flower.
Iris reticulata 'White Caucasus'
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Thanks for that Roma I was worried about my eyes ;D
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There is an image here of 'White Caucasus' from Wim de Goode who has, I think, done the majority of raising of these bulbs, which to my eyes shows a blue wash too.
In reply 33
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6562.msg188527#msg188527
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A couple of Alan MacMurtie's hybrids just starting to flower here now spring has arrived. Iris Sea Green and Down to Earth
Wow, thanks, Susan.
These are 2 of the McMurtrie iris which I imported through our friend Marcus Harvey last year (from Janis) and they're ready to plant here! They may take a while to get back to flowering size having just been "turned 'round" to our seasons!
cheers
fermi
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A couple of Alan MacMurtie's hybrids just starting to flower here now spring has arrived. Iris Sea Green and Down to Earth
Hope I get something as nice from my many seeds planted in 2006.
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Few reticulatas in flower today - only yesterday took off winter covering and today blooming started.
At first two marvellous hybrids maid by Alan McMurtrie. The second - Orange Glow - is the first reticulata with orange color in flower.
Iris histrioides sophenensis open pollinated seedlings - very uniform
Then this reticulata from Kopet-Dag, which got unusable name - Iridodyctium kopetdagnese. This one is from type locality. Really only Iris reticulata, but good.
As last for today - one of my Iranian gatherings.
Janis
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David when you wait a couple of day's you will see that it become pure white
Wim
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Those first two Janis are truly stunning. I love the orange, especially with the dark, dark centres. These are something really new and I can imagine will be greatly sought after when they are available commercially. I'll be dead by then most likely. :'(
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Those first two Janis are truly stunning. I love the orange, especially with the dark, dark centres. These are something really new and I can imagine will be greatly sought after when they are available commercially. I'll be dead by then most likely. :'(
Lesley,
speak nicely to Marcus ;D
cheers
fermi
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As last for today - one of my Iranian gatherings.
Janis
That Iranian looks very like a plant I have raised from Iranian seed which has round, many ribbed leaves. I am calling it Iris bakeriana. What are the leaves like on your plant?
Picture below of my plant.
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As last for today - one of my Iranian gatherings.
Janis
That Iranian looks very like a plant I have raised from Iranian seed which has round, many ribbed leaves. I am calling it Iris bakeriana. What are the leaves like on your plant?
Picture below of my plant.
Will try to check, Tony. At present too busy with crocuses and for others I'm giving only breef look and few photo.
Janis
P.S. Orange Glow is in my current catalogue.
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David when you wait a couple of day's you will see that it become pure white
Wim
Wim, did you mean "White Caucasus"? It hasn't become pure white, in fact the flower is now past it's best and is still has a blue wash to it.
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Iris histrioides aintabensis is grown from seeds. The original plants which I bought from Dutch nursery turned virus infected and so I got seeds and seedlings looks healthy.
One of the earliest allways is I. hyrcana - with very large, bright blue flowers. It belongs to my favourites and even sometimes are selfsowing in nursery. My original stock was destroyed by rodents and rebuilt just from accidental seedlings (may be grain, left unharvested?) on not more used field.
Janis
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Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin and Iris 'Frank Elder' flowering in the garden two days ago. 'Katherine' is nearly over but 'Frank' has newly opened.
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this weekend in flower, a purple form
from Iris zagrica
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:)spring arrived in my garden...
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All beautiful Armin 8)
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Beautifull clumps Armin, Roma.
Dirk your zagricas make me enveyous, and i too love these species Janis.
A late offering from me of a commercial form of I reticulata in the garden
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Flowering for the first time after 3 years in cultivation, Iris winogradowii.
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How dry do you keep I winowgradowii Fred? It looks like you are growing it in very stony soil...
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Some of reticulata Irises - their blooming started here
WHIR - samples from Iran
Janis
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Very nice :)
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A nice clump in the garden today.( Garden Centre bulbs)
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Some of Alan Mc'Murtrie's seedlings
Janis
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Some of Alan Mc'Murtrie's seedlings
Janis
Wow, Janis.
They are all stunning. I like the Leopard one especially (97-CN-2B-01)!
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Definitely. The yellows are superb! 8)
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Wow, so many superb Iris, Janis those you show are spectacular!
Dirk, beautiful purple form of Iris zagrica! Wonder if the different colourforms grow in different populations or do they occure all in the same?
Fred lucky you are, great picture of Iris winogradowii, it did not like it here.
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Wow, so many superb Iris, Janis those you show are spectacular!
Dirk, beautiful purple form of Iris zagrica! Wonder if the different colourforms grow in different populations or do they occure all in the same?
Fred lucky you are, great picture of Iris winogradowii, it did not like it here.
Sorry Hans, i have no more informations to this plant.
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Thanks Dirk!
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Norman Stevens' list (Cambridge Bulbs) arrived yesterday. He is offering Iris zagrica for £8.
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Few of Alan McMurtrie hybrids
Janis
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Janis,
those are truly amazing. I know Alan has been working for years on this project, but the results are better that any fantasy. Truly changing the face of reticulata iris.
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These will haunt my dreams. ???
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Few of Alan McMurtrie hybrids
WOW, I love the last one.
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With me a week ago started to bloom WHITE CAUCASUS. All the time I'm waiting when it will become really white. But it still keeps bluish shade. Of course, it is whitest from all commercially available pure reticulata irises (some of Alan's crosses are much whiter, but they are not pure reticulatas), but I'm a little disappointed.
On second picture you can see the real white one which such are from the first day of blooming - it I got from Zhirair, who found it in mountains.
Janis
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With me a week ago started to bloom WHITE CAUCASUS. All the time I'm waiting when it will become really white. But it still keeps bluish shade. Of course, it is whitest from all commercially available pure reticulata irises (some of Alan's crosses are much whiter, but they are not pure reticulatas), but I'm a little disappointed.
On second picture you can see the real white one which such are from the first day of blooming - it I got from Zhirair, who found it in mountains.
Janis
Janis, I share your disappointment. Mine is well over now but didn't loose the blue shade at all.
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With me a week ago started to bloom WHITE CAUCASUS. All the time I'm waiting when it will become really white. But it still keeps bluish shade. Of course, it is whitest from all commercially available pure reticulata irises (some of Alan's crosses are much whiter, but they are not pure reticulatas), but I'm a little disappointed.
On second picture you can see the real white one which such are from the first day of blooming - it I got from Zhirair, who found it in mountains.
Janis
Janis, I share your disappointment. Mine is well over now but didn't loose the blue shade at all.
Mine got whiter then aged back to a stronger shade of blue. Next to white flowers it always had a blue wash.
Zhirair's clone looks lovely Janis.
I believe there used to be a cultivar involving I winowgradowii and histroides major called 'Tantallon' which is described as white- blue -grey flowers and also a form- "Iris reticulata var alba -a white form that is not so robust" I have never seen either.
there was also Iris reticulata Littlr Bride - a scented white form which I have never seen, and of course the (?extinct) vartanii alba
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I believe there used to be a cultivar involving I winowgradowii and histroides major called 'Tantallon' which is described as white- blue -grey flowers
Never heard of such a plant, Peter. Made me curious though but all I find is this reference from
http://www.jerseyiris.org/ais-index.txt
Where the plant is seemingly mentioned in issue 156, page 45.......
156 45 B Tantallon
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Few quite rare (or very rare in cultivation) reticulatas
Iris winogradowii - more common
and two rarieties - pskemense and zagrica
Janis
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I believe there used to be a cultivar involving I winowgradowii and histroides major called 'Tantallon' which is described as white- blue -grey flowers
Never heard of such a plant, Peter. Made me curious though but all I find is this reference from
http://www.jerseyiris.org/ais-index.txt
Where the plant is seemingly mentioned in issue 156, page 45.......
156 45 B Tantallon
I dont have the bulbous Iris registration books -I think they are compiled by the dutch. Old Wallace and Barr catalogs might reveal something, but as the cross is posiable it can be repeted and further selections made.
Janis you have shown some wonderful plants, I am sorry I have been so busy I have not had time to post or take part in the threads recently.
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VERY VERY NICE Retic irises Janis.
Never seen last 2 species before, thank's for sharing.
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I'm a very new start gardener- year 3 commencing. I put in Iris Reticulata 2 years ago and had a a lovely show last spring. This year I have leaves but no flowers. Have I done something wrong?
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Janis,
every time you post the pictures of your flowering Iris pskemense, I always rethink the same: this is a real WOW-plant with an exquisite coloring - bordeaux-red, white, yellow and blue- all in one flower.
A real buried treasure! What a gem!
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I'm a very new start gardener- year 3 commencing. I put in Iris Reticulata 2 years ago and had a a lovely show last spring. This year I have leaves but no flowers. Have I done something wrong?
No, I don't think it's anything you've done.... these bulbs do tend to break down after a couple of yeasrs into masses of tiny non-flowering bulbs. Whiletheir leaves are still green give them a feed of Sulphate of Potash by sprinkling a small amount ( half a teaspoon per set of leaves!) around the leaves and water in well. You can do that again in another couple of weeks until the foliage begins to yellow, that should help build up the bulbs again.
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Few quite rare (or very rare in cultivation) reticulatas
Iris winogradowii - more common
and two rarieties - pskemense and zagrica
Janis
WOW
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Thanks, Margaret. It's not the snow, then?
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No, I'm sure it's not the weather... ghastly though it was and responsible for a lot of plant problems and deaths but not this one!
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thanks. I'll try that.
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With me White Caucasus becomes only bluer.
Today comunicate with Alan McMurtrie, he wrote me that usually plants received from Wim de Goede in first year are of darker incolor, but next season must to get true white color. Will see....
Janis
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With me White Caucasus becomes only bluer.
Today comunicate with Alan McMurtrie, he wrote me that usually plants received from Wim de Goede in first year are of darker incolor, but next season must to get true white color. Will see....
Janis
Janis, hope he's right :P
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Never had any Reticulate Iris before, they are neat looking.
Anyone know which named forms set seed?
1-George
2-George
3-Pauline
4-Pauline
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Anyone know which named forms set seed?
I've had seed set on;
I. histrioides Angels Tears
Marguerite
Harmony
JS Dijt
Clairette
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Anyone know which named forms set seed?
I've had seed set on;
I. histrioides Angels Tears
Marguerite
Harmony
JS Dijt
Clairette
Gail
Did you assist fertilisation, or was it left to Nature?
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I have seedlings from hand pollinated Pauline (which is I bakeriana x I reticulata) and Gordon (which is cantab x bakeriana) self sets with me, as does J S Dijt.
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Gail
Did you assist fertilisation, or was it left to Nature?
Paintbrush assisted.
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'Cantab' sets seed here, on its own, in the garden. I once had seed on 'Katharine Hodgkin' but when they flowered (3) the seedlings had dark blue streaks in the standards as if they were virused.
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Thats the seond report I've heard of Katherine Hodgekin setting seed, yet it is supposed to be sterile, I Cantab turned up in a bed of I reticulata cyanea and if it is pure I reticulata, as claimed, should be fertile.
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I collected seed from 'Lady Beatrix Stanley' 2009 and they have started do germinate now. Do reticulate irises normally take that long to germinate ?
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I had fresh seed germinate in august last year. Normally at least one automne and winter is needed for dry seed and often two winters
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A few more forms opened yesterday. I did pollinate the flowers, time will tell. Thanks for the info.
1-Pixie
2-Alida
3-Harmony
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I find the seed of any reticulate irises to be very erratic with germination, even very fresh seed. Sometimes 2 or 3 years before the first one appears.
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I find the seed of any reticulate irises to be very erratic with germination, even very fresh seed. Sometimes 2 or 3 years before the first one appears.
This is my experience, as well. I've not yet had germination in less that two Winters.
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They came through! It just needed sunshine:)
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They came through! It just needed sunshine:)
Oh good! I thought they would. :D
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Iris winkleri is the latest of all reticulatas, may be can compete with Turkish I. pamphylica. Here you can see flowers of last two bulbs still left in my collection. Both were crosspollinated to hope for more seeds than usually obtained (1-2). Pity, I was away at best time for pollinating, but I hope for at least some, one stigmatic branche still looked receptive. Regardless of high altitude - it is very difficult in cultivation. Seems that growth well, but bulbs too often rot. Just the best size bulbs rots most often. I still didn't find what I'm doing wrong.
Janis
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Thankyou for showing Janis, is the rotting at the end of growing when summer heat arrives?
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Thankyou for showing Janis, is the rotting at the end of growing when summer heat arrives?
No, it mostly happens in bulb shed after harvesting or after replanting - they didn't come up in spring. And mostly just top size, best looking at harvesting bulbs.
Janis
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In a series of pictures from the AGS Harlow Show February 2009 LucG pictured Iris reticulata 'Anemone', a real stunner. I haven't seen it available in the trade, does anyone know better?
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Maybe Iris vartanii still will do better with you as your area seems to be warmer and drier - the seedlings of this species grow well - hope to get first flowers next year.
Earlier than expected! :D
(apologies for the bad night + flash picture)
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Lovely Hans, it surely would not survive my wet garden.
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Good job Hans !!!
earlier than in nature I think :)
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Superb !!!!
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congratulations Hans.
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Great!
I got a report they are flowering right now also in nature...this year it is cold here and rainy.
Although in Mallorca there was more rain and the rain started before Israel, they are flowering at the same time...interesting.
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Thanks a lot for your comments, took a better picture at saturday morning, it is really a beauty with a strange fascinating colour, very showy in the morning and evening light. Yes Miriam, we had, compared with other years late but a lot of rain. I will observe how this species will flower in the following years.
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What a treat, indeed a privilege, to see Iris vartani in flower. Thank you Hans, for showing this rare treasure.
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Fantastic, Hans. Never got it's flowers. Still have one or two bulbs, but it slowly disappears. Leaves almost every winter are seriously damaged or killed and bulbs become smaller and smaller every season up to... :'(
Janis
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Thanks Lesley and Janis - I am very glad it grows here much better than some forms of Iris reticulata, which bloom once and then disapear completly.
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Two days ago I wrote that Iris vartanii never bloomed with me, but today visiting greenhouse found large well developed bud between leaves. Although outside is around minus 5 C I hope to see at least once its flower.
Another reticulata - Iris danfordiae stock from Mazikiran gec. 1800 m altitude (BATM-357) where it is growing on flat mountain plato between sparse grass. Excellent form!
Janis
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Well done Janis. The danfordiae is a beauty.
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That I. danfordiae is perfect..... just perfect. I wish I could feel the scent because I'm sure it will be delicious, even in such cold temperatures.
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Lovely. Nice to see a close-up photo of I. danfordiae from a wild population; it's quite different from the triploid form in the commercial bulb trade.
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You're right Tom, just so much better - perfect as Maggi says.
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Janis what a superb photo of Iris danfordiae
Hans your Iris vartani is supposed to smell of almonds - did you happen to sniff - plus it is a low altitude plant so you should be able to grow it.
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Janis, superb Iris danfordiae! As it said to be a a plant of higher altitudes which flowers after snowmelting I never tried this species here, but perhaps I should...
Glad your Iris vartanii will flower, hope you will post a picture!
Thanks Pat, unfortunately I did not sniff, I was so excited that I forgot it...
This species belongs together with Iris pamphylica and Iris zagrica to those species which do well, I am growing the seedlings of this species for several years here, more problems cause for example Iris reticulata, Iris histrio or Iris histrioides.
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Weather is extremely dark and wet, but it didn't miss to a pair of reticulata irises to open their flowers. The first is I. vartanii - not of so refined beauty as shown on this topic before, but for me it is the first time when I can see living flower of this species. I suppose that just darkness, may be summer temperatures causes some "weekness" of flower.
Another two pictures are from one of Alan Mc'Mutrie's hybrids (97-CN-2B), just starting blooming.
Janis
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Wonderful, Janis,
I love those McMurtrie hybrids!
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Me too, and I hope to have some of my own from seed in a couple of years time.
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Beautiful Iris vartanii, Janis!
Also 97-CN-2B is fascinating, are those hybrids fertil?
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Beautiful Iris vartanii, Janis!
Also 97-CN-2B is fascinating, are those hybrids fertil?
I don't know about fertility, some set seeds (from natural pollination), but I'm not collecting those. I don't want to enter Alan's "field", no one can do everything and he is on real top. Alan of course still hybridizes them and now he is making some polyploids in laboratory (in cases where hybrids are sterile) to get following generation. This autumn he saw ~5000 seeds of reticulata hybrids. My main attention now is only for crocuses and I'm crossing only them.
Janis
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Lovely Irises Janis
Here is my first a lonely but not for long
Katherine Hodgkin
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Way in front of mine Ian
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bakeriana and McMurtries Dance On are the first out here
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Some early flowers of Iris reticulata 'Purple Gem'
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Way in front of mine Ian
Yes David this one being in flower does seem odd as the rest of the group are only just above ground, but a lovely Xmas present nevertheless