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Specific Families and Genera => Hepatica => Topic started by: Natalia on December 03, 2010, 11:21:13 AM
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Greetings!
I the beginner at a forum am my first post :)
I read your fine forum for a long time, but for the first time have dared to write.
In my collection not so it is a lot of Hepatica, as at many participants of a forum.
In Russia because of a continental climate it is difficult to contain the Japanese hepatica in an open ground. ut in our forests are growing Hepatica nobilis forms that may of interest to many fans.
Now, when it's snowing and cold, nice to come back in spring! :)
I bring to your attention - Hepatica nobilis from our forests.
I am sorry for a bad style - I not so well know English language.
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In forest
Hepatica_nobilis very large cup
Hepatica_nobilis very large cup_2
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Hepatica_nobilis_blue_form
Hepatica_nobilis_light pink
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And more photos Hepatica nobilis...
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And more photos
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Hi Natalia,
welcome to the forum. And thank you very much for the wonderful pictures which bring us right back to Spring. If you have more pictures of these gems don't hesitate to post them.
I like the plena forms especially.
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And some photo - the end of the photographic story of Hepatica our forests. :)
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Hepatica_nobilis_white
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Hepatica_nobilis with very dark leaves
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hello Natalia! I hope you stay and show us more flowers from your woods.
How long did you watch us before joining?
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Hello Natalia and welcome! You have some very nice Hepatica in your forest. Wish I had a forest like that :).
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Wim, thank you for your kind words.
Mark, watched for a long time .....:) I was registered at a forum in the beginning of this year, and read from the end of 2007.
I will be glad to show plants from our woods and my garden which can be interesting to participants of a forum.
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Gunilla, thank you!
It seems to me that in your woods too many interesting plants. :)
And in our forests do not grow everywhere these forms Hepatica - the most frequent conventional blue. But in some places of the forest you can find a wide variety of forms.
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Hello Natalia,
Nice flowers from your woodlands ! hope we can see more pics from you ;)
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fantastic hepatica Natalia,do you have snowdrops there as well?
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It would be interesting to know what other flowers grow in your forests Natalia and what tree too, your Hepatica photos are really lovely - welcome to this wonderful Forum :)
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Welcome Natalia ! ;)
A great series of wild Hepatica to start off your career on the forum... ;D ;D
I hope you will show as a lot more when the season gets started !
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Thank you so much!
I am happy that my pictures hepatica our forests like:)
I will try to show, and other plants that might be interesting for the participants.
We with the husband and friends often travel on our country, we see many interesting places and interesting plants.
In our forests do not grow snowdrops. But every year I go to those places where it grows not one but many kinds of beautiful plants.
Once again I ask a pardon for possible errors - languages are not given to me...
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Hello Natalia,
Really interesting Hepatica, many thanks for showing them and we can understand your English very clearly.
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Welcome Natalia & many thanks for sharing the beautiful Hepatica photos. I look forward to seeing more from you.
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I also enjoy your photos, Natalia. I understand your English very well. It is much better than my Russian!
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Welcome Natalia ... lovely images.
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Natalia, do the double flowers grow near each other?
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Natalia,
Welcome and thank you so much for sharing your photos - -48 in winter - I think I will stay in Australia where winters are very mild - no snow.
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Thanks for responses, I am glad that you liked my photos. :)
Diane, we have found a place in wood where double flowers Hepatica different shades and forms was about 10 copies. :o Hepatica plants of different age and colour. But all in lilac-blue range of colors.
arillady, such temperatures, to huge happiness, at us it is very rare. Though every winter there are some weeks when the temperature falls more low-30oC
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Natalia, I like those liverworts! (... and I don't mean the moss...) At my summerhouse Hepatica nobilis plants are common but I have never seen anything like your plants there. Whites and pinks are common but not those colours of your plants. Maybe you have windflower (Anemone nemorosa) and fumeworts (Corydalis sp.) in your wood? You know, I am interested in woods as I have a woodland garden myself.
Here are some of "my" Hepatic nobilis plants:
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Hoy, Thanks!
In our forests you can find brightly colored plants Hepatica nobilis, but I do not find such. Next spring I'll go look for - maybe you are lucky :)
At us in forest is grow Corydalis solyda, Anemone ranunculoides. In 100-200 km from us forests is Anemone nemorosa and Corydalis cava = С bulbosa.
We have found different, including double Anemone ranunculoides form and shape with reddish leaves, but variation of this species I was not looking. Anemone nemorosa grows from our town pretty far so it's hard to look for interesting shapes ....
About 10 years ago I has casually found the first population Corydalis solyda with different colouring of colours. And then and some more places with multi-coloured plants. If it is interesting - I can show the found plants... Only prompt in what section it better to lay out. ???
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Natalia, it would be nice to see the Corydalis in a new thread you could make in this section... http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=11.0 :)
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Maggi, thanks!
I while badly am guided at a forum :)
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No need to worry, Natalia.... with a Forum as big as this is it easy to get lost! ;)
I read every word and sometimes I have no idea where to find certain things! :-[
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Thanks, Meggi! In such abundance of interesting themes even to lose the way well...
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thanks natalia for these pictures-- all the hepatica are lovely, though i seem to like the pale ones and pink..
do you know, is anyone selling seed of these natural forms from your region?
trond, yours are lovely too--we have no hepatica here naturally, and i do not yet have any unnaturally--i have some seeds sown since 09, i hope maybe next spring there will be some activity, but i will be hunting for more seeds either way! i am very jealous of the riches of the great deciduous forest, very different here in the mixed/boreal forest-almost no spring flowers in the woodlands!
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Cohan, we have deciduous forests along the coast but the inland is covered by the boreal spruce and mixed forest. The liverwort (Hepatica) also grows naturally in spruce forest but the soil has to be calcareous.
Here are two pics from an island with deciduous forest where I often walk in summer.
A large part is hazelwood (cobnut)(1) and in spring it is covered first by liverworts and later by windflowers and lesser celandines.
(2) Oak and hazel (cobnut) and windflower (Anemone nemorosa).
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cohan, аt us Hepatica grow not in deciduous wood, and in wood from pines and fur-trees with a deciduous underbrush.Soils in the forests, sandy, acidic.
Hoy, what a great forest!
Such oak groves grow to the south approximately on 100 kilometres:)
Trond, that's what I said anemone - has red veins, but it blooms like a normal form.
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Natalia, this A. ranunculoides was extraordinary! I have never seen them like that. Do they keep this leaf colour when the flowers are fully open too?
Here are some A. ranunculoides from my garden:
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Trond, you have beautiful anemones! Particularly interesting form Gulveis.
Unfortunately, my anemone foliage color lasts until flowering buds revealed - the color is like the others. Veins remain are slightly painted, but no more that...
In our forest I saw some interesting anemones, but yet was not engaged in selection of forms. I will try this year's search for something new:)
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"Gulveis" is the Norwegian name of A. ranunculoides! I don't know if it has a cultivar name.
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Trond, Thanks!
Did not know that it is a grade.
In the book of Janisa Rukshansa "Buried Treasures" there are photos of forms Anemone ranunculoides from islands of Estonia. Very interesting from different type Plena, to viridiflorus.
So and in your woods probably there are interesting forms an anemone.
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Anemone ranunculoides grows wild in Norway but far from here. Only the common windflower, A. nemorosa is common where I live, but Hepatica nobilis is commen where I have my summerhouse.
I have some coloured forms of A. nemorosa that have established themselves from seed in the garden. (1)
I also try to establish the cross between A. nemorosa and ranunculoides ( x lipsiensis) but these plants are still small. (2)
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About as it is interesting!
From seeds ' Robinsoniana ' at you the more brightly painted form has turned out.
You have photos of other plants grown up of seeds?
Do I understand correctly - it's your selections of plants grown in a garden from hybrid seeds?
About А х lipsiensis = А х intermedia = А х seemannii I know, saw it, but here hybrids between it and other kinds - it is very interesting.
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interesting! nothing that looks like those woods here! i'm posting some images of our forests on my alberta thread, so i don't corrupt this thread..
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5641.new#new
i'm still looking for pictures of spruce woods here, i have them, but maybe in last year's pictures, i think i'm not hunting anymore tonight ..lol
natalia--this anemone is beautiful! if you ever have/find extra seed (along with the hepaticas and corydalis ;D i would beg you for some... maybe you will see something you like in my thread ;)
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cohan, I can not promise, but it is possible to try to exchange seeds in the future season. If weather allows - this year some seeds were ruined by a heat... :(
Alberta forests are beautiful! :)
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thanks natalia--
yes, you never know what will happen with collecting (wild) seeds..some things i could not collect because i just didn't have good weather on the days i was free!
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Last year's finds Hepatica nobilis in my garden.
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Hepatica_nobilis_new_plena 2 and garden form
For comparison cultural and found in last year plena forms Hepayica nobilis the flower from the young plant of the cultural form having 1 socket was used. The bush of the found form had also 1 socket. The sizes of a flower: the cultural form 1-1,5cm, the found form - 2,2 cm.
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Natalia,
Nice Hepaticas! Like the doubles. Do they all grow in your zone 3 garden? Are they protected during the winter in any way? I have some H. Japonica growing in pots with some winter protection in my zone 5 garden. I also have Japonica seedlings sown in 2009 and 2010. I would like to put at least some of them in the ground eventually and interested to find out example cases growing in colder regions.
Koko
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Natalia, lovely flowers and super photos, thank you!
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KK, they at us grow to the north of Moscow and to Karelian isthmus (it to the north of Sankt of Petersburg), so stability high enough. Winter well, these are wood plants of our northern woods.
Hepatica japonica at my friends have successfully wintered in Ural Mountains around Ekaterinburg. Not all grades, but have wintered.
In my garden Hepatica japonica victims last year from mice, in a current of summer have germinated on roots. Young very small plants now get out.
Maggi, thanks! I am very pleased:)
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Hepatica japonica at my friends have successfully wintered in Ural Mountains around Ekaterinburg. Not all grades, but have wintered.
In my garden Hepatica japonica victims last year from mice, in a current of summer have germinated on roots. Young very small plants now get out.
I am quite surprised at this survival near Ekaterinburg.... my vision of this place was VERY COLD!!
Sorry to hear that Russian mice as as big a nuisance as Scottish mice..... good news that root cuttings are surviving though :)
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Maggi, yes, there are great cold, but there is heavy snowfall. Under a snow blanket Hepatica bad winters. But the mouse ...:(
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Natalia,
Thanks for the information. I will try to introduce some of my seedlings with little protection and see how they do. It will be another year or two before they start flowering, though.
I might give your method of propagating with the leaf node a try with my H. acutiloba this year. Right now, I am putting bags over the seeds forming on my potted hepatics to capture as many seeds as possible.
Koko
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Last year's finds Hepatica nobilis in my garden.
For comparison cultural and found in last year plena forms Hepayica nobilis the flower from the young plant of the cultural form having 1 socket was used. The bush of the found form had also 1 socket. The sizes of a flower: the cultural form 1-1,5cm, the found form - 2,2 cm.
Very nice, I love the colour variations in the single flowers..
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Me too...the pale blue is beautiful :)
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Last days walked in our forests - are some of found plants Hepatica nobilis
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And there are some photos
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And in addition...
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Amazing variations in colour and shape. Lovely photos, Natalia.
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Thank you, Gunilla!
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Wow, so much variation!
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Wow, so much variation!
I'll second that... it is an education to see the variety in these great photos. 8)
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Some really nice Hepatica you have Natalia, is the double Hepatica light blue ?
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Yes, color double Hepatica such - light kobalt-blue with more light center, and the second double Hepatica - a lilac shade, but me wasn't possible to render color precisely...
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Very intersting your variations Natalia. I fond a place like yours here in Germany. But no doubles jet.
I open another thread.
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Very intersting your variations Natalia. I fond a place like yours here in Germany. But no doubles jet.
I open another thread.
I'm looking forward to seeing yours! And hoping maybe there will be seed available in spring ;D
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Some are here http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8256.0
but most pictures were not good enough.
Certainly I will try to collect seeds. Its not that easy with Hepatica :P
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Axel, thanks - are very interesting!
Concerning a painting and selection of young plants on a flowers - in the first years color can change. Sometimes the present beauty of a plant appears only when 3-5 sockets rise. For example my friend has found young plant Hepatica with white colors. In two years the plant looked absolutely differently - became a plant-chameleon with the blue ends of lobes. So the present color can change as towards a traditional painting of colors, and aside more interesting paintings.
I in a photoarchive have photos of this plant Hepatica at different age - will try to find and show.
I am sorry that not at once has answered :)
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Spring this year is like a flash - started and went in a moment ... Two weeks flourished all that is usually blooming for over a month.
Hepatica were no exception. But despite the heat, the selections are well blooming in our gardens, and they were joined by new finds.
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Diameter of the first flower Hepatiсa flora pleno_2 was 2,7 cm/
And more Hepatiсa...
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So nice forms and colours, Natalia !
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So many nice forms-- I love all the single and semi-double ones! I'm still looking forward to having some Hepatica of any colour...lol (I have only some very small seedlings of one type :)
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Wonderful Natali!
I love the big "Plena" form especially!
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Lovely plants Natalia, many thanks for showing us, especially the variation in the double blues!
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Although the double forms are very spectacular I prefere the single ones ;)
You certainly have spotted many interesting forms, Natalia. Do they all grow in the same population?
Here is some plants from a population I know of. It also contains some white ones.
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The different colours look wonderful together, Hoy.
Natalia, are these wild finds, or your own seedlings? They are very beautiful.
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Тhank you colleagues, I am very pleasant!
Hoy, in your forest grow beautiful Hepatica!
All double forms grow in one population, in two places. Other forms - from different populations...
In the nearest to our city Hepatca populations is practically most east places of its growth - bright blue plants dominate. But this year I managed to find there plants with white a flower and pink stamens and some plants with completely white flowers.
The farther to the west place of growing Hepatica, the more in populations of pink-flowers and white-flowers plants, and is more variations of color and shape of petals.
Anne, thank you.
This is not a selection, it forms found in the wild.
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New season, new places, and new discoveries Hepatica.
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continue....
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Natalia, the Hepatica look wonderful, especially the new plena form.
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Wonderful to see them growing wild, Natalia.
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Than you Natalie, it is so good to see them in the natural habitat.
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Natalia,
Somebody certainly emptied a barrel of radioactive material there.
I observe Hepatica for years around Brno and found no
double, no red, no green, no two-coloured. I was quite
happy when I found a white one having pink anthers
in contrast to the normal white which has white anthers.
By the way, in the surroundings of Garda in Italy,
the leaves of Hepatica are strongly mottled.
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Thank you, colleagues ....
Joseph, your hypothesis, I'm afraid, is not quite true. Place in which it was possible to detect a Hepatica Pleno is 300 km from each other :))
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Josef it is nothing special in deep color range of Hepatica. The variability differs from location to location. Look at the pictures I've done at the location somewhere in Bohemian Karst. You can see blues, pure white, pink and other color forms.
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Some double forms were found by Czechs at another location.
As for Italy the color and leaves depend on the location too. Here is a picture from the way to Aosta.
(http://cs823.vk.me/u6450879/107965342/x_a49d7543.jpg)
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Josef,
I agree with Olga. There are many places where the populations of Hepatica show this variation where there is no radioactive contamination. Some of these populations have been around long before humans started to experiment wit radioactivity some of the Japanese ones were recorded in the Edo-period.
Göte
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Well, even a little Hepatica only better :)
Joseph, according to botanists, the edges of your pink or white forms - are more common than in our area.
gote, here a little more difficult - Japan volcanic country, it is famous for radon water sources - radon - a radioactive gas :))
Hepatica nobilis_Multy_Estonia = Hepatica nobilis f.semidouble(correct name) - selection of my friend from Estonia - Svetlana Polonskaya/
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From the recent findings of the season Hepatica - that's the option of color - finding one group consisting of 5 plants - all approximately the same color.
There are doubts - it's a virus or a healthy plant this color.
Colleagues, tell me please - met a similar form in other places?
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There is a Hepatica nobilis 'Freckles' on Google, and Mark Smyth's H. nobilis 'Prickle' on the forum:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8461.msg238317#msg238317 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8461.msg238317#msg238317) reply 164
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Аnnew, thanks!
I will watch its body height and flowering in a garden...
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Talking about `Prickle´. Of course I do understand that this form has appeared many times and in many different places, but when talking about this specific name; I believe you are talking about `Prickel´. It is the name of a plant that was found in the west coast of Sweden a little less than 20 years ago. I do not remember the name of the man who found it, but he once called me up after I had written a piece about it. He was very nice. `Prickel´comes quite true from seeds, most of them has the same pattern, but some- a few- come pure white. It is not a virus involved, just a natural mutation. In my garden, it is always the latest to flower, even after the white forms that tend to be a little late. I have got one seedling that differs a little in the pattern, it looks like a heavy rain shower, but as I just wrote, most of them look exactly the same as the parent plant. The leaves are quite light green and has a very nice shape. They stay wavy for a long time. The plant is not very strong growing, but not a very slow grower either.
And talking about Hepatica colors. Here in the south of Sweden they come in all colors; purple, blue, light blue, white, pink, strong pink... They also vary a lot in the shape of the flower. Round nice petals, or more star-like ones. Some leaves are nicely marmorated or mottled, some turn more brownish-reddish green just after flowering time.
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Thanks, colleagues :)
According to botanists western part population of Hepatica nobilis have much more color variations.
In the east part population Hepatica - our population is almost the easternmost - dominated by blue and dark blue colors. According to the literature - other colors Hepatica in our forests not find :))
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I can only agree with Susann.
I have also found the occasional white with blue spots.
It is probably a recurring mutation. They are too few to be a genetic trait.
Some mutations seem to occur again and again.
There is any number of blue Anemone nemorosa which have been found (and named)
Cheers
Göte
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Talking about `Prickle´. Of course I do understand that this form has appeared many times and in many different places, but when talking about this specific name; I believe you are talking about `Prickel´. It is the name of a plant that was found in the west coast of Sweden a little less than 20 years ago. I do not remember the name of the man who found it, but he once called me up after I had written a piece about it. He was very nice. `Prickel´comes quite true from seeds, most of them has the same pattern, but some- a few- come pure white. It is not a virus involved, just a natural mutation. In my garden, it is always the latest to flower, even after the white forms that tend to be a little late. I have got one seedling that differs a little in the pattern, it looks like a heavy rain shower, but as I just wrote, most of them look exactly the same as the parent plant. The leaves are quite light green and has a very nice shape. They stay wavy for a long time. The plant is not very strong growing, but not a very slow grower either.
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I am catching up on this thread. Wow, Susann, your `Prickel´ is very nice! Nice petal shape with perfectly balanced speckles! VERY pretty!!
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With the permission of colleagues, I will continue the theme of Hepatica nobilis in our forest.
Here are some new photos and hopefully new forms.
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Oh Natalia - such fine photos. Each flower is beautiful.
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Some double forms have stamens with anthers, the other - only reduced stamen filaments.
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Flower size Hepatica have very different - largest more than 2.5-3 cm in diameter
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A little colored forms Hepatica nobilis..
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This year in our forest, I discovered a different form Hepatica nobilis.
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I hope that it will be stable.
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a bit more ...
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Walks in the forest have a tasty addition - mushrooms
Gyromitra gigas
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Thank you, Maggi, I am very pleased. :)
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Beautiful hepaticas Natalia, that fungus looks like a human brain.
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Stunning plants and images, Natalia … many thanks for the opportunity to enjoy them.
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Wonderful plants Natalia, and beautifully photographed. Thank you for sharing.
(Just noticed that I need only have added '+1' to second Cliff ;) ;D)
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Beautiful hepaticas Natalia, that fungus looks like a human brain.
Gyromitra gigas is the northern equivalent of our own Gyromitra species. One of its common names is Calf Brain.
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Beautiful Hepaticas Natalia.
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Thanks Chris, I was closeish then
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Exciting finds, Natalia!
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What a variety of H.nobilis there is! I have never found a double hepatica here in the woods near us, but I keep hoping.
Thank you Natalia for showing the pictures of your native hepaticas.