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Title: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Darren on March 29, 2010, 08:04:30 PM
I thought those of us who were lucky enough to get bulbs from the very generous donation from this collection sold off at the 2009 SRGC Discussion Weekend might like to share them here as a further thank you to the donor, Mr Cees Breed, and to Luit & Vroni for bringing them over.

I'll start off with Marzo and Sailboat

Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
That's a lovely idea, Darren.... I'll do the same as mine begin to flower.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Lvandelft on March 29, 2010, 09:52:58 PM
Darren, glad to see that our sponsoring is fruiting  :D.

Looking out for seeing more from other forumists  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: annew on March 29, 2010, 10:59:23 PM
Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Darren on April 10, 2010, 07:48:21 PM
This is 'Cernuus'. Rather nice, we had not heard of it and can find no reference to it either.

Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: annew on April 10, 2010, 10:36:21 PM
Hi Darren - see http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Cernuus%20Pulcher&lastpage=1&which=hist1
It's very nice, rather like N. pallidiflorus.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on April 10, 2010, 11:06:39 PM
Great site, Ann.  Have bookmarked it.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 10, 2010, 11:28:54 PM
Great idea Darren, as at the time I was curious to know what the bulbs were that were so kindly donated - now we can share in the delights of discovery - and I find that 'Sailboat' is my cup of tea  8)
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on April 11, 2010, 10:43:34 AM
Darren,

Somewhere I found a reference to N. cernuus as though the name should be N. moschantus 'Cernuus Plenus' but I'm not sure whether that is correct, I think it was in a Narcissus book I borrowed from our SRGC library.

Anyway, here are the ones I've flowered so far:
N. 'Gipsy Queen'
N. moschantus 'Cernuus Plenus' ?
N. 'Segovia'
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Darren on April 11, 2010, 01:47:22 PM
Thanks Anne - I've not looked at Daffseek before - it is rather good!

Thanks for posting your pics and joining in Chris.

Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: annew on April 11, 2010, 07:46:54 PM
Daffseek is a very useful site and highly recommended. Chris, N. moschantus 'Cernuus Plenus' is the double version.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on April 11, 2010, 09:41:23 PM
Thanks Ann, thought as much, so I'll change the name back.  Seems the narcissus have a lot of nomenclature problems.  Daffseek is very useful in this regard.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Roma on April 14, 2010, 10:03:24 PM
My first to flower 'The Little Gentleman'.  'Waif is nearly there but 'Kathy's Clown' is not going to flower this year.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: annew on April 16, 2010, 12:47:38 PM
That is a nice one, Roma. How tall does it grow?
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: shelagh on April 16, 2010, 03:53:03 PM
I have been rather disappointed in one of my purchases.  I bought one called Golden Bells which said it was a 7YY but after some fruitless research and some emails with Luit it turned out to be a bulbocodium and not a particulalry inspiring one.  it is very tall and narrow.

I am hoping for better things from a pot of N. flycatcher that should be out next week.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Roma on April 16, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
Just popped out to measure 'The Little Gentleman', Anne.  He is about 30cm tall.  As it is a division 6 I expected a bit of reflexion in the petals and did not expect it to be so tall going by the name.
'Waif', which is also div 6 is a little shorter and does reflex but is quite sturdy and not at all waif like.  I will try to take a pic on Sunday.  Off to Perth tomorrow to the SRGC Show.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Regelian on April 17, 2010, 09:59:07 PM
Narcissus cernuus is a synonym for N. pseudonarcissus ssp moschatus.  Interestingly, the bulbs from C. Breed were actually used for Ben Zonnevelds analysis of the genus.  N. alpestris is another synonym for the same subspecies.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on April 28, 2010, 08:53:41 PM
One more came into bloom the last few warm days, really like it.  Its quite short, about 6 inches tall, and very floriforous:  Narcissus tazetta ssp lacticolor

Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Roma on April 30, 2010, 10:11:00 PM
As promised
Waif with The Little Gentleman.  (Jenny and Foundling ( which I believe is a parent of Waif) are in the background).
Closeup of Waif
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on May 01, 2010, 01:24:55 PM
Really like your 'Waif' Roma.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ichristie on May 03, 2010, 08:14:01 PM
 I am glad that I found this thread at last so here are pictures of my purchases some are just going over, cheers Ian the Christie kind.

Narc .Georgie Girl
Narc .Larkelly
Narc .Roger
Narc .Sumo Jewel
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 03:33:48 PM
I've managed to miss the flowers on the earliest ones but Ian kindly took these for me of the ones in flower now....
Each type will have two photos, the first just of the flower and the second with a ruler in to show the scale......if the flower shows above the top of the ruler it is bigger than 30cms.... if you see the flower topping out at the 6cm mark on the ruler it means the stem was 24 cms high..... hope that is both clear and useful!?  :D

Darren already posted his 'Marzo' but I have two different types under that name.... this first one is the correct one, I thought.... the second is something other, though it is the same as Darrens... but cannot be correct  because of  the orange trumpet....  :-\

Still researching this but given that N. cordubensis is one of the parents, I think the first 'Marzo'  is the correct version, tho' pix on Daffseek vary!

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=227752

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Marzo&lastpage=1
Marzo, 7  YY, John W. Blanchard, England 1996
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 03:45:20 PM
'Carclew'       
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=224125

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Carclew&lastpage=1


'Cotinga'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=211102

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Cotinga&lastpage=1


'Dainty Miss'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=216495

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Dainty%20Miss&lastpage=1



Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 03:55:09 PM

'Delta Flight'   
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=223880

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Delta%20Flight&lastpage=1



 
'Delta Wings'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=216540

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Delta%20Wings&lastpage=1


'Dove Wings '

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=202340

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Dove%20Wings&lastpage=1
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 04:03:33 PM
'Frogmore'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=258443

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Frogmore&lastpage=1

'Georgie Girl'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=223371

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Georgie%20Girl&lastpage=1&which=hist1


'Golden Cycle'   pre 1918

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=217598
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Golden%20Cycle&lastpage=1

Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 04:10:21 PM
'Kea' ....... pinkness of corona develops as flower ages.
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=224368

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Kea&lastpage=1&which=hist1

'Larkelly'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=204427

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Larkelly&lastpage=1


'Little Spell'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=256950

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Little%20Spell&lastpage=1
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 04:16:08 PM
'Pacific Coast'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=224402

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Pacific%20Coast&lastpage=1


'Rival'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=213643

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Rival&lastpage=1&which=hist1



 'Surfside'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=214140

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Surfside&lastpage=1
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
'Tracey'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=214385

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Tracey&lastpage=1&which=hist1


'Trewirgie'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=208059

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Trewirgie&lastpage=1


'Waif'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=214575

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Trewirgie&lastpage=1
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 05, 2010, 05:32:03 PM
 These are still to flower; I'll add the RHS and Daffseek links here... cannot promise either Ian or myself will have time to catch them wjhen they flower in the next week or so.
 
'Bilbo'
 
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=210607
 
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Bilbo&lastpage=1&which=hist1
 
 
'Desert Bells'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=216548
 
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Desert%20Bells&lastpage=1
 
 
'Paula Cottell'
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Paula%20Cottell&lastpage=1
 
'Snoopie'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=213952
 
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Snoopie&lastpage=1
 
 
'SunDisc'
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=207521
 
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Sun%20Disc&lastpage=1
 
N. biflorus medioluteus
N. jonquilla (goffered cup)


These are not flowering this year:

N. 'Canaliculatus' http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/daffodilregister/daffdetails.asp?ID=224716
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Canaliculatus&lastpage=1

N. jonquilla
 

 
These have already finished flowering:

'Emperor's Waltz'   http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Emperor%27s%20Waltz&lastpage=1
 
 
'Little Gem'   http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Little%20Gem&lastpage=1&which=hist1
 
'Minnow'   http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Minnow&lastpage=1&which=hist1
 
'Gipsy Queen'   no records  on RHS or Daffseek but I think there are some details of the parentage in the Forum, somewhere!
 
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on May 05, 2010, 07:58:52 PM
Thanks for those Maggi.  Some lovely little things in there....
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: annew on May 07, 2010, 07:14:22 PM
Very nice indeed.  :D
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Lvandelft on May 07, 2010, 10:11:54 PM


Darren already posted his 'Marzo' but I have two different types under that name.... this first one is the correct one, I thought.... the second is something other, though it is the same as Darrens... but cannot be correct  because of  the orange trumpet....  :-\

Maggi, at least you've got two varieties for the same money... ;D ;D

Quote
These are not flowering this year:

N. jonquilla
 

This is the N. jonquilla which in the older days was cultivated here and flowers very late. Here the buds are just visible now, so I think they still will flower this year with you???
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 07, 2010, 10:21:13 PM
Yes, Luit, extra for the money....  :) :D

I don't think there are buds to come on the jonquill but we shall see. I think mine may have  been the smaller "leftovers" of that type!
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on May 08, 2010, 07:13:18 PM
One more of mine.  N. 'Baby Moon'.  Maggi - I just looked and my N. jonquilla has four flowers coming now.  I too thought it was not going to flower, but it will!
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Darren on May 18, 2010, 07:05:09 AM
Blimey Maggi - that is some collection!

Here is the last of ours: 'Bilbo'

Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: Maggi Young on May 18, 2010, 11:19:15 AM
I've got a grand display, Darren.... apart from one or two of the bagged types, I bought up the "leftovers" which were the odd ones or small ones left in the sacks after we'd divided up the bulbs into lots to sell in bags...... these were mostly daughter bulbs which had broken off and I wasn't sure if they would flower.... but they really have done well!  8) :)

I took some of the pinky ones along to the BBC the other week and they got their photo on the Beechgrove Potting Shed webpage .... most were Brian Duncan's raisings.
Title: Re: Connoisseurs Collection Daffs from the 2009 Discussion Weekend
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2010, 10:47:46 PM
My N. jonquilla has now flowered, but they are misshapen and the stems are seriously virused, so I'm going to bin them.  Such a shame.
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