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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Hans A. on March 12, 2010, 01:37:58 PM
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One now in flower is Scilla peruviana.
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A nice scilla from Lebanon with striking blue flowers: Scilla sibirica var. taurica (Pol25).
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And another one from Turkey with a very different habit : Scilla ingredae.
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Great start of the Scilla season!
Hans, S. peruviana is a beauti-unfortunately not winter hard here :(
Luc, thanks for posting this wee speci beauties.
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Lovely Luc. Oh, if only I had the room ::)
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S. peruviana is hardy here - the leaves look a little brown at the tips after the bad winter we've had but otherwise okay. No sign of flowers yet though.
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Hardy here too, though the leaves look like a green pancake form having had snow on them for so long!
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a couple of Scilla biflolia in flower now
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Tony,
nice scilla's. Mine in the garden just show up noses.
Do you recognise / see any differences between the two bifolia locations?
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A bulb that I was recently given with a first time flower:
Scilla libanotica
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Do you recognise / see any differences between the two bifolia locations?
Armin I can see no difference but I am sure they have been divided up into ssp.
Here are two more Scilla bifolia from Greece
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Does the white Scilla come true from seed Tony?
Or does it only increase by splitting?
Is this variation find in the nature within the blue ones?
Thinking about sowing the blue ones, to hope I got a white one !?
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Does the white Scilla come true from seed Tony?
Or does it only increase by splitting?
Is this variation find in the nature within the blue ones?
Thinking about sowing the blue ones, to hope I got a white one !?
An impossible question,I grew the original one from some seed I collected and the other couple are off sets. It has not set seed yet but will try and get some this year. It came from Kymachalan in Northern Greece
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For us Scilla bifolia is a ubiquitous, but attractive spring flower. We inherited ours with the garden and they have coped well with the changes we have made to the surrounding habitats. The first was in a nettle patch, which after much work is now a rock garden. The second spent 2 years under builders rubble, before this area became a woodland garden. As this species is never planted, or used as a garden plant here, the plants must be remnants of the meadow and woodland, which were here before the village was built. We have seen white and pink forms in the wild, but they are like hens' teeth here.
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A scilla just coming into flower in the sunshine.
Scilla gorganica
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A scilla just coming into flower in the sunshine.
Scilla gorganica
Luc
Very elegant.
johnw
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For us Scilla bifolia is a ubiquitous, but attractive spring flower. We inherited ours with the garden and they have coped well with the changes we have made to the surrounding habitats. The first was in a nettle patch, which after much work is now a rock garden. The second spent 2 years under builders rubble, before this area became a woodland garden. As this species is never planted, or used as a garden plant here, the plants must be remnants of the meadow and woodland, which were here before the village was built. We have seen white and pink forms in the wild, but they are like hens' teeth here.
that's a nice plant to have self established!
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True- it does make a lovely splash of colour for a week or so ;)
Flowering here now a couple more Scilla I can't put names to. The first has a reddish tinge to the petals on the outside before they open and pale yellow pollen. The second has dark blue pollen.
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True- it does make a lovely splash of colour for a week or so ;)
Flowering here now a couple more Scilla I can't put names to. The first has a reddish tinge to the petals on the outside before they open and pale yellow pollen. The second has dark blue pollen.
Simon, they both look to me like short stemed S. bifolia.
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Therein lies the dilemma, Oron. I have never knowingly bought Scilla bifolia and these aren't native ones from the garden- they don't like like Bulgarian Scilla bifolia though. I guess I could have been sold them as something else ;)
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I guess I could have been sold them as something else ;)
Oh yes, the rare S. bifolia ssp. brachystachys... ;D ;)
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Well I'll wait and see how the leaves and flowering stems develop ;)
Also flowering here a Scilla we purchased as S.sibirica 'Atrocoerulea' and a Scilla morrisi (Meikle, Cyprus)grown from Mike Salmon seed. This has just bulked back up to flowering size after the year of the vole attack. Unfortunately it has had its flowering stem so long the tip has been nibbled off- so just the one flower this year. ::)
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Nice Scilla species from everybody :D
My first scilla in the garden is always S. mischtschenkoana.
Nothing spectacular but easy and very reliable...spreads easy by seed.
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Armin,
need the S. mischtschenkoana a sunny or a shade place in summer? Lost all of mine in the last years, mostly grow at a sunny side in summer.
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Uli,
this clump is growing under a shrub. Sunny only around noontime but full shadow in the morning and afternoon and during summer when the shrub has leaves.
I don't give any attention to it. I got 1 bulb some years ago as a present in a pot arrangement of spring flowers. After indoor flowering finished I planted it in the garden.
Sofar the story behind. :D
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Nice answer, so I will look for bulbs in autumn.
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Started blooming of Scilla. The first is Scilla winogradowii, another a little doubtful winogradowii (reported from too low altitude)
On last superb large blooming pink colored form of Scilla bifolia taurica found by Dima Zubov in Crim, near Kubalatch. The form from Crim (taurica) has much larger flowers, may be worth of subsp. range? Flower of this pink is at leadst twice as large as other pink colored of typical S. bifolia.
Janis
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That last one is lovely - looks more apricot than pink, very pretty!
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Started blooming of Scilla. The first is Scilla winogradowii, another a little doubtful winogradowii (reported from too low altitude)
Janis
The "doubtful" S. winogradowii certainly looks very similar to the true winogradowii in the top photo, except perhaps the shape of the anthers is different, but that may be due to the younger flowers in the top photo showing elongate anthers that have not yet split. I know that in American plant species, the distribution and altitudinal range is often "extended" as plants are found where they supposedly shouldn't be... too low, or too high, or too far afield... but the reported range can be questionable if the field studies are incomplete, which is likely.
Regardless, it's a fine looking Scilla, and the pink one.... ooh so nice.
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Still very few scillas are blooming, but this one subsp. caucasica of Scillasibirica belongs to one of my most lovely. It is very floriferous and has purple flower stalk and darker leaves.
Janis
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Few more scillas from today.
Again Scilla sibirica subsp. caucasica from Georgia
Scilla ingridae, Turkey
Scilla leepii, Turkey
Scilla misczenkoana, Caucasus
Scills species nova from Hustup - give attention to deep purple leaves
and again Scilla winogradowii - more developed
Janis
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three more scilla's out
Scilla armena from Palendoken in Turkey
Scilla sp from Zigana Pass Turkey
Scilla bifolia from Ulu Dag Turkey
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Janis , some beautyful scillas of yours , particulary the rare S. winogradowii.
Flowering at the moment in my garden is a much lesser beauty , but valuable as it does so in autumn , is S. lingulata var. ciliolata , coll. in Tunisia .
Otto.
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Janis , some beautyful scillas of yours , particulary the rare S. winogradowii.
Flowering at the moment in my garden is a much lesser beauty , but valuable as it does so in autumn , is S. lingulata var. ciliolata , coll. in Tunisia .
Otto.
A particularly attractive autumn flower; these autumn varieties are rather neglected, I think.
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This marvellous Scilla bifolia I found in Turkey. It looks so beautiful that I even don't trust that this is bifolia, but no other links in Scilla key foundable.
Scilla libanotica from Wallis nursery 'Buried Treasures'.
On last picture great surprise. Many years ago I got good amount of Scilla sibirica bulbs collected wild by my friend in E Ukraina. From those I selected 3 forms - very deep lilac blue, traditional blue and pure white. This white was almost identical with common cv. ALBA but blooms much earlier. 'Alba' starts blooming when white from Ukraina really ended. This spring it bring surprise coming up slightly pink toned. Why? Hard winter?
More surprise I got from Puschkinia scilloides collected by me in Iran. During our trip I collected many samples of this marvellous plant as it is very variable, but generally blue. Between thousands and thousands of blue colored I found only one with pure creamy white flowers. It took a lot of work to dig it out as I had only pocket-knife with me and its bulb led very deep in soil. You could image my frustration when last year it bloomed with ordinary blue flower... :'( But... this spring it comes up with beautiful white flowers :D. Will post it after few days. Now picture from wild.
Janis
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Janis , some beautyful scillas of yours , particulary the rare S. winogradowii.
Flowering at the moment in my garden is a much lesser beauty , but valuable as it does so in autumn , is S. lingulata var. ciliolata , coll. in Tunisia .
Otto.
Beautiful, but not hardy here. I lost all my African scillas.
Janis
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Janis
You have an extraordinary collection of Scilla,
By the way S. libanotica is very rare in the wild.
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a scilla species from Duzuci in Turkey which is East of Adana
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Is there a key for determinating Scilla's
I am looking for different ssp. of Scilla obtusifolia
the Corsican look very different as the Sicilian
Roland
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Roland,
Personally I haven't good key for Scillas. I'm using Flora of Europe and Flora of Turkey. May be there is some made by Speta, but many of his species are not accepted by other botanists and I think he wrote in German.
Here few Scillas of today
Scilla bifolia with semidouble flowers - 'Norman'
Once more Scilla bithynica from Aragats mountain
Scilla collected by me in Iran as S. gorganica, but name isn't checked
Excellent plant of Scilla melaina
Excellent but still unidentified Scilla from Turkey and as last
Scilla vvedenskyi from high mountains in Tadjikistan soon will be in full flowers
Janis
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Scilla rosenii Alba
Janis
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Now Scilla khorasanica from NE Iran and relative to Scillas sensu lato (by old system)
Puschkinia sp. from Karabel pass in Turkey. I think new species as it keeps the form of inflorescence in cultivation, too. It is so different from P. scilloides. Picture from wild and in cultivation but from small bulb.
Janis
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Now Scilla khorasanica from NE Iran and relative to Scillas sensu lato (by old system)
Puschkinia sp. from Karabel pass in Turkey. I think new species as it keeps the form of inflorescence in cultivation, too. It is so different from P. scilloides. Picture from wild and in cultivation but from small bulb.
Janis
very nice puschkinia!
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Chionodoxa nana from Crete has the smallest flowers, but is very nice
Two forms of Pusckkinia scilloides - different by color, both from Armenia and named by localities where collected by my friend Arnis
And two different Scilla sibirica forms from E Ukraina
The white one is very early. There is another white cv. named ALBA, but when this from Ukraina is in full bloom, cv. ALBA even didn't show noses out of soil
The other has distinctly lilac shade, may be something hided on picture but really very different from traditional deep blue shade, very early, too.
Janis
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This is the first time Scilla rosenii has flowered on stalks for me!
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Very nice Anthony ! Well Done ! 8)
(or should the cold winter be congratulated... ;D :-\)
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Definitely the cold winter.
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Definitely the cold winter.
Then why no pink tinges here?
johnw
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Definitely the cold winter.
Then why no pink tinges here?
johnw
Only comes in white and blue, as far as I know.
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Scilla peshmenii - green form
Janis
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One flowering here now:
Scilla amoena
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Better spike of Puschkinia peshmenii
Janis
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The first year for Puschkinia lebanotica in semi shade under a cherry on a bank where it will hopefully naturalise. It looks spectacular in the morning with the light through the flowers showing off the stripes and even the blue side view of a flower on the stem.
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Scilla biflora (double) Norman Stevens
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Janis! It's really buried treasure - your Puschkinia peshmenii!!!!!!!! Is it turkish species? :o :o :o
Here some pics of my Crimean Scilla bifolia ssp. taurica color forms ;D
and some Scilla siberica forms from Priazovie region, Ukraine
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And some color forms of Hyacinthella pallasiana from SE Ukraine steppes.
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The first year for Puschkinia lebanotica in semi shade under a cherry on a bank where it will hopefully naturalise. It looks spectacular in the morning with the light through the flowers showing off the stripes and even the blue side view of a flower on the stem.
Correct name - Puschkinia scilloides.
Janis
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Janis! It's really buried treasure - your Puschkinia peshmenii!!!!!!!! Is it turkish species? :o :o :o
Yes, it is Turkish, around lake Van. That one is so named Rix form, used for description of species.
Yours bifolias and pallasiana forms - incredibly beautiful.
Janis
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Here some pics of my Crimean Scilla bifolia ssp. taurica color forms ;D
and some Scilla siberica forms from Priazovie region, Ukraine
a lot of great colours on these! do you know of any vendors that sell seed of these?
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Scilla litardieri is the last to flower in my garden
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Lovely blue colour, Oleg :). Scilla litardierei is also the last scilla to flower in my garden.
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The first Scilla for this autumn,
Scilla scilloides from China
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Dirk,
Very nice clump of Scilla!
Here are some of my autumn Scillas.
1. Scilla autumnalis and Colchicum montanum
2. Scilla numidica
3. Scilla intermedia
4. Scilla pulchella (in front of Sternbergia colchiciflora)
Poul
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Here are some of my autumn Scillas.
1. Scilla autumnalis and Colchicum montanum
2. Scilla numidica
3. Scilla intermedia
4. Scilla pulchella (in front of Sternbergia colchiciflora)
Poul
Very nice Poul, seems like mid Autumn in your garden.
Regarding S. intermedia and S. pulchella, in my opinion they both should be treated as forms of Prospero autumnale [Syn Scilla autumnalis].
Prospero autumnale has a huge distribution that includes all the Mediterranean, N. Africa, Europe and parts of Asia, as such it has many forms and variants.
Only here in Israel i have individuated four stable forms that look different from each other and off course populations on Cyprus and the Greek islands can vary in size, intensity of color, number of inflorescence etc.
One or two forms have been elevated to species level such as Prospero talasii.
Chromosome numbers indicate that what we call the Prospero autumnale complex may well contain a few species and ssp. but the question is should they be divided into separate species if a human eye will not be able to notice the differences?
Any way most of the forms hybridize just by looking at each other and so if you grow a good form i suggest to isolate it in order to have pure forms.
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Very nice Poul, seems like mid Autumn in your garden.
Regarding S. intermedia and S. pulchella, in my opinion they both should be treated as forms of Prospero autumnale [Syn Scilla autumnalis].
Prospero autumnale has a huge distribution that includes all the Mediterranean, N. Africa, Europe and parts of Asia, as such it has many forms and variants.
Only here in Israel i have individuated four stable forms that look different from each other and off course populations on Cyprus and the Greek islands can vary in size, intensity of color, number of inflorescence etc.
One or two forms have been elevated to species level such as Prospero talasii.
Chromosome numbers indicate that what we call the Prospero autumnale complex may well contain a few species and ssp. but the question is should they be divided into separate species if a human eye will not be able to notice the differences?
Any way most of the forms hybridize just by looking at each other and so if you grow a good form i suggest to isolate it in order to have pure forms.
Oron, you may be right that pulchella and intermedia should be treated as forms of autumnalis.
I have two forms of what I have been told is Prospero autumnalis:
1 Bought from Paul Christian
2 From Malta
As you see they are very different both in appearance and in size. The Maltese one is 2-3 cm high while the other is about 20 cm. If these really are autumnalis both then I have no problems in calling pulchella and intermedia autumnalis forms too.
But on the other hand, they are more different from each other than many Galanthus species are. Maybee we should limit the Galanthus species to 2 or 3 ....
Poul
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Oron, you may be right that pulchella and intermedia should be treated as forms of autumnalis.
I have two forms of what I have been told is Prospero autumnalis:
1 Bought from Paul Christian
2 From Malta
As you see they are very different both in appearance and in size. The Maltese one is 2-3 cm high while the other is about 20 cm. If these really are autumnalis both then I have no problems in calling pulchella and intermedia autumnalis forms too.
But on the other hand, they are more different from each other than many Galanthus species are. Maybee we should limit the Galanthus species to 2 or 3 ....
Poul
Poul
I agree that your two forms of autumnale look very different,
Regarding the form you have from Malta, is it originated to one plant found there or is there a whole population that has these characteristics, that makes a big difference.
If there is a population of this form than it could be studied further to decide wether it should be separated, as it is easy to tell apart from other forms.
But, as i said earlier, in a large population here you can find doesens and dosens of different forms all mixed together.
I grow at least twenty different forms, white, pink, violet, short tall, just name it.
I suppose if i was a commercial grower i could have offered them under twenty different names.
Regarding the Galanthus... :-X as there are too many galantophyls around...
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there is an interesting link: http://www.maltawildplants.com/HYCN/Prospero_autumnale.php#PIC (http://www.maltawildplants.com/HYCN/Prospero_autumnale.php#PIC)
click on photogallery or scroll down.
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Thanks Armin,
Infact the photos seems similar to the form that Poul grow but there are different forms shown as well.
By the way Stephen Mifsud is an excellent botanist and observer and made a very good work on Romulea in Malta.
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My Scilla scilloides (origin Vladivostok) is the only autumn floering that survives my winters so I am very fond of it
I note that the scapes are more slender than in the previous posting.
Cheers
Göte
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Flowering today:
1. Scilla lingulata ciliolate (a week ago)
2. The same today
3. Prospero autumnale, Maltese form (formerly Scilla autumnalis) The flower is about 6 mm
Poul
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Flowering today, Prospero hanburyi.
This is the desert form, and closely related to P. autumnale.
It differs by the much longer pedicals, larger bulb, a fine rosette with more leaves that coil on the ground, finally it blooms earlier dependless on the rain.