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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Alex on February 13, 2010, 12:57:43 PM

Title: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on February 13, 2010, 12:57:43 PM
Have we got a thread for this already? Couldn't see one, so I've started this...here's a nice form of P. humilis today, which has particularly deep red markings.

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on February 13, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
Alex - fantastic lip of P. humilis. I've never seen so painted humils so far. In Czech is still deep winter. Last night was -12°C  >:(.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 13, 2010, 04:42:42 PM
Very nice start to 2010 Alex, I'm currently watching Pleione 'Orinoco' and Pleione 'Eiger' to see who will flower first with me, they are very close now, no doubt due to their humilis heritage.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on February 13, 2010, 05:14:58 PM
My first pleione to flower was Zeus w. desert sands, two days ago  :). Your pleione is fantastic!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 14, 2010, 04:43:44 PM
A wonderful form of P. humilis Alex !!!
Very nice indeed !  :D
Depending on the weather (still quite cold here) I guess I'm still a couple of weeks away from my first flowers...  :(
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on February 15, 2010, 08:39:47 PM
Pl. forrestii is my first to flower. This one is recently acquired but my other forrestii's are not far behind and are well ahead of Eiger.
Do others find forrestii flowers early?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 15, 2010, 08:42:22 PM
Looking good Pete !!
I don't grow them at the moment... not by the lack of trying  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on February 15, 2010, 09:18:28 PM
Pl. forrestii is my first to flower. This one is recently acquired but my other forrestii's are not far behind and are well ahead of Eiger.
Do others find forrestii flowers early?

Hi Pete

Mine are well behind yours and I guess it will be the end of Feb at the earliest before the first.
Humilis are behind with me too this year as I often have them starting around Xmas time and the first this year should be in about a week with my earliest hybrid Rakata "Rock Dove" not far behind.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 15, 2010, 09:37:46 PM
Hi Pete

Nice forrestii picture. Some of mine are a week away at least.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on February 15, 2010, 10:04:40 PM
Hi David. This was one you sent me & I have kept it in a cold unheated greenhouse. Strange how they behave in other people's hands.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 15, 2010, 10:56:03 PM
Hi Pete

Mine were in a dark cold garage until two days ago but everything is now in the greenhouse but I've put a paraffin heater on very low overnight just in case we get some frost. Need a larger greenhouse again now as every inch of space is used :)

David

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maxime_P on February 16, 2010, 12:03:41 AM
Lucky you !!  ;D

Very nice blossoms  8)

Only Pleione forrestii has a bud right now, even Pleione humilis is still in dormancy; it's still cold at night (-10°C a few days ago) and snowy the day here.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 16, 2010, 11:26:57 AM
Never had any sudden deaths with Forrestii and all bulk up quite well for me producing nice good sized bulbils as well. Flowering them can be a little tricky with sudden temp/humidity changes at this time of the year. Never had any late flowering ones either and find Forrestii are always amongst the first to flower just after Humilis. Nice to see the bright yellow after a dull and grey winter in the greenhouse. This year my Humilis seem to be way behind with most not showing any life at all, yet!

I have noticed a big difference between my bulbs and the new arrivals I've had from Butterfields. I think mine are kept colder and for longer as his bulbs look more advanced than mine overall.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on February 16, 2010, 11:56:36 AM
I had the same problem as Rob with P. forrestii. After three years of slow increase I saw my bulbs just sitting their in the pot. Healthy looking FS-bulbs that didn't show any signs of live. They just went dead. Is there any explenation for this?

So it will not be forrestii to be the first to flower with me. At this moment Shantung 'Ducat' shows the most growth but it is still to much winter to really get goiing. Last night -2°C and a bit of snow.

Greetings
 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 16, 2010, 01:25:49 PM
Looks like I may flower forrestii for the first time this year, it aborted its flowers in 2009. It produced good pseudobulbs last year, but I always had the sense that it was looking for any excuse to stop growing! Maybe just me anthropomorphosising?
New to me and the winner by a day or two to the first to flower here is Pleione 'Eiger'
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on February 16, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
Personnally, I've always had issues with Forrestii, they always abort their buds after a few weeks, except when they flower in my fridge (but they're not really watchable there :P).
I've never known whether it was because of humidity or temp change, but well...
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on February 16, 2010, 06:18:18 PM
Personally, I've always had issues with Forrestii, they always abort their buds after a few weeks, except when they flower in my fridge (but they're not really watchable there :P).
I've never known whether it was because of humidity or temp change, but well...

Julien
I think that storing Forrestii in the fridge  is adding to the problems of temperature change.
Trouble is that at some stage they have to be removed, causing the flower bud to abort. :'(
Left in the fridge I guess they are happy which is why yours are flowering. ;)
Once a newly acquired bulb has been grown for a season it should prove no problem getting it to flower. Mine are left in the greenhouse all year with no problem flowering them .

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 16, 2010, 07:53:07 PM
Eric is right and forrestii need a long stable rest while dormant. I no longer keep any Pleione in the fridge after it froze one year and I lost everything in it (too full and it was working overtime). The sudden temperature change moving from the fridge will most certainly abort the flowers, same as moving them from a cold greenhouse or garage and putting them on the windowsill when it's still freezing outside.

Rob, never seen sudden death syndrome in newly imported forrestii or maculata which grow fine for me as well but need careful watering. All newly acquired bulbs, import or not may need to settle in for the first season, as do many plants. As long as they are healthy when you receive them, there should be no problem. Of course there are plenty of people that blame the bulbs rather than poor cultivation including watering too soon.

To be honest I find forrestii quite easy but they do like being crowded together and not left all alone in a pot. Not had a single one die on me yet and nearly all flower, fingers crossed.

Few pictures from last year.

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on February 16, 2010, 09:09:10 PM
thing is : my greenhouse is not frost free, and on the chapter of temperature changes, it goes from -10 (last night) to +25 by a sunny day.. so not a really good place either
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 17, 2010, 12:10:20 AM
Fingers crossed my paraffin heater is still going or my greenhouse will not be frost free either! Not -10 though. Would have liked another couple of weeks before potting all the Pleione up but they would not wait.

I think your only solution is a fridge with a glass window :-\ With those temperature extrems I'm not surprised you have trouble with forrestii or any other Pleione.

One forrestii has had a very short cold spell in the garage until Christmas and was then taken to a bedroom windowsill. I'm trying to see if it will still flower by giving it a short cold spell but warmth before the bud was even showing as not to give it any shock treatment when in growth. I'll update when I know more.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 17, 2010, 06:52:11 AM
I've found storage in shotgun boxes filled with sawdust which are then kept in an east facing room, with temperature variations from +2c to +8c works quite well. Given limited storage room where temperatures can be maintaned above ambient temps as low as -25c, it's my only option for maintaining a collection.

A warm spell in January seemd to trigger forrestii early, it has been out of it's box since January 20th. By the looks of things the most advanced flower bud will abort whilst the remaining two are developing steadily.

I wonder with the discussion about suddden death syndrome hints at issues with provenance and phenotype. I am guessing that forrestii material is less likely to be clonal, so maybe some growers simply have plants that are better suited to cultivation and all that entails?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johanneshoeller on February 17, 2010, 08:25:49 AM
One of my first Pleiones, an interesting forrestii. Sometimes I have problems with forrestii, too. I think they need cooler conditions and a not too long growing season.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on February 17, 2010, 08:56:10 AM
Very nice form of forrestii. Smashing lip colour. Can these alba and semi-alba forms of forrestii be cultivated in the same way a the yellow forms?

Greetings
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 17, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
Wow Hans !
I remember you showed a semi-alba forrestii a couple of years ago and I'm still as much in love with it as back then !  It's a great Pleione !!!

Interesting discussion about growing forrestii.
I for one do have problems with them, but probably this is due to the way I (have to) grow them.

All my Pleione spend their Winter and early spirng (until early or mid may) in my frostfree Veranda, where it will be +2°C during the coldest nights, but where temperature rises quickly to 20-25 °C on a sunny winter- or early spring day.  I guess these huge temperature changes are the cause for it that I have more aborting buds than average (not only with forrestii), but I've learned to live with that situations.
The whole collection spends the summer outside in the shade.
However, in my opinion, I've lost forrestii after Summers where we had some really hot spells with temperatures of 30-35 °C - they simply seem to hate that.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on February 17, 2010, 02:14:18 PM
Hans - very nice semi-alba form of forrestii :o.

Last year I discused the problem about height difference between daily and night temperature with Ian Butterfield. We've agreed the difference between day and night temperature during flowering and but developing time should be max. 8 or 10°C. If it's higher = there is a big risk of the bud abort. Ian keep the optimum temperature difference by automatic heating and thermostatic windows.

Rob - I thing there is nothing as the "sudden death syndrome". I've found all problems are from temperature instability of small greenhouses.
Karel
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 18, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
2nd to flower here, Pleione 'Orinoco' with a rapidly developing root system, hoping for some good increase!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 18, 2010, 10:40:19 AM
Looking good Chris !!
Your windowsil is doing a good job !  ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 18, 2010, 12:31:59 PM
Cheers Luc, I had been hoping their dormancy might last a bit longer as there is at least another month to go before I risk putting them outside, and there is only so much windowsil space!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 18, 2010, 01:16:01 PM
Hi

What temperature and where are you storing your Pleione over winter? I have a greenhouse full and none are near flowering yet and most are not even showing buds. I would not expect my Orinoco to flower for at least another month.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 18, 2010, 05:36:12 PM
Hi David,
When I lived in Lincolnshire I followed pretty much the storage model I suspect you will be following.
I moved to Bulgaria 3 years ago, once Bulgaria joined the EU the pleiones joined me after a brief stay with my folks in Telford.
The first year here they flowered well and I grew them in a standard bark mix I used in the UK, by the end of that year I had a large nuber of deaths and nearly all my plants shrank to FS1 or FS2 size. My problem was summer here can be 43c and the pleiones just dried out between their am and pm waterings, resolved by growing all of them in an 80% moss, 10% bark,10% perlite mix in full shade. Come the winter they could not stay away from an artificial heat souce given winter temps down to -25c.
We built an east facing upstairs plant room which is unheated,but open to the main house and in winter is maintaned at 7c to 10c 1m above ground level, at ground level 3c to 5c. From dormancy in mid October to early November the Pleiones are cleaned and stored in the sawdust I make from cutting the winter wood supply. Essentially a collection of 1000 bulbs must be stored in boxes and sit on the floor.
Because of some unusually warm weather this January ( 12 to 16c for 2 weeks) I checked 'Britannia Doreen' ( my first to flower last year ) to find she was in full growth. I checked more and discovered that most hybrids with any humilis in them had gone into growth, plus 'Doreen' and forrestii. This was 2 or 3 weeks ago, to date I have had to remove 40 cultivars from their boxes. Flowering in the nest two to three weeks will be 'San Salvidor', 'Santorini', 'Tolima' and Shantung 'Silver Anniversary'. Some cultivars are new to me this year, some are old friends!
They have gone into growth earlier than last year, maybe only by two weeks. The growing season for pleiones here is in effect 7 to 8 months.
Sorry for the length of this post, but to an extent you may see that I had to 're-learn' Pleione culture to fit the seasons here as there was no way I could replicate the cultural conditions I had been used to from 10 years of Pleione growing in the UK!
All good fun!! ;)
Chris
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 18, 2010, 07:25:48 PM
Hi Chris

Thanks for the detailed post, it explains everything. Interesting about the different mix you are now using and confirms my theory about water retention in moss as apposed to perlite and bark. I don't use much moss myself but I water on a regular basis.

You could have left all your Pleione with me in Priorslee (Telford) ;) although I don't think I'd fit in another 100 bulbs in let alone a 1000 at the moment.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 18, 2010, 09:53:13 PM
David,
There's never enough room, and yet............. ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on February 18, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
David,
There's never enough room, and yet............. ;)

Very true, it's an addiction.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: chris on February 26, 2010, 06:47:36 AM
my H.'Orinoco' dont start yet but here the first H.forrestii in flower
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 26, 2010, 09:30:36 AM
Looking very happy Chris !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on February 26, 2010, 06:56:39 PM
Very nice indeed Chris!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on February 26, 2010, 08:10:00 PM
my H.'Orinoco' dont start yet but here the first H.forrestii in flower

Hi Chris.

Very nice lip to this.
Hope you don"t mind me commenting on this plant as I see it. :-[
I am a little concerned as to the markings on some of the petals and also what I can see of the bulb, as it looks rather infected with disease.
I wonder if this is a recent import, or perhaps as can often happen with forrestii grown in moss, grown rather wet last year ?

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: chris on February 27, 2010, 07:55:55 AM
you're right Eric, I kept my Pleiones under the tablets and just on that pot there was water dripping and I saw it too late, the other bulbs looking ok,
here H.'Eiger',
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on February 27, 2010, 07:15:53 PM
you're right Eric, I kept my Pleiones under the tablets and just on that pot there was water dripping and I saw it too late, the other bulbs looking ok,
here H.'Eiger',

Hi Chris

Your Eiger is looking good.
I have had similar problems with infected Forrestii bulbs on occasions as I usually grow these in a near 100% moss  compost .I do find they grow better like this, but overwatering is always a possible hazard.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on February 28, 2010, 10:05:28 AM
Any one knows if pleione ada is a species , or one variety or hibrid? Thank's  ???
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on February 28, 2010, 10:30:06 AM
The pictures I've seen looked like a form of grandiflora to me, but who knows...
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on February 28, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
Any one knows if pleione ada is a species , or one variety or hibrid? Thank's  ???

Hi Lius

My opinion of the bulbs recently sold on ebay as ADA are that they are a nice form of x Barbarae rather than Grandiflora if the photo shown is the same as the bulbs that were supplied. It is well known that plants sent out from China are not always as described.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on February 28, 2010, 04:16:01 PM
Ok thank's, i was asking because i never read nothing about this supposed species... i didn't buy it so we will never know. ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 04, 2010, 09:41:13 AM
Next to flower here, Pleione 'Tolima'
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on March 04, 2010, 07:52:55 PM
Ok, here's the first to flower here this year.
Pleione Leda

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on March 06, 2010, 08:05:05 PM
Yet another forrestii - but I love this species.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 06, 2010, 09:51:05 PM
Very late flowering this year  :o :o :o

Two clones of Barcena.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 07, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
Very late indeed - nothing open here yet... still a few days to go !

Good to see at least some are getting started !!i :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 07, 2010, 02:34:09 PM
Hi, here they are my first pleiones of the year. I think they are pleionoides , formosana snow cap and rakata shot silk. Enjoy!  ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 07, 2010, 04:41:31 PM
Here they are...
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Post by: luis on March 07, 2010, 04:43:42 PM
one more...
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on March 09, 2010, 04:37:10 PM
And here's a nice form of Pln pleionoïdes
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 09, 2010, 05:13:47 PM
Yes, this one is fantastic!  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Faan on March 10, 2010, 07:39:54 PM
I get so jealous when I see all these nice Pleione pictures.

I had a formosana that flowered for me a few years ago, with no special treatment.  I did not have the plant for a few years, but have it back with me again.  It is growing well and has about 8 bulbs and a few new small bulbs as well and only hope that it is going to flower soon for me.

As far as I know Pleiones are a bit scarce in our country, but I just love them and would like to get a few more plants.  I would appreciate it if someone could tell me where I can find some plants from someone who is prepared to export to us.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 10, 2010, 07:52:12 PM
I see from your profile that you are in South Africa, Faan.... I hope some of our Forumists may be able to assist you with some suppliers of pleiones to your country...
Welcome to the Forum!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on March 10, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
Faan - Welcome in Pleione family ;D
Where are you from?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Faan on March 10, 2010, 08:20:59 PM
Faan - Welcome in Pleione family ;D
Where are you from?

Where the soccer world cup is going to take place soon and in particular the beautiful Cape Town.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 11, 2010, 09:31:55 AM
I get so jealous when I see all these nice Pleione pictures.


It has barely started Faan !!  ;D ;)
You will suffer a lot more in the following weeks...  ;D ;)
Welcome to the Forum !!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Faan on March 11, 2010, 10:39:42 AM
I get so jealous when I see all these nice Pleione pictures.


It has barely started Faan !!  ;D ;)
You will suffer a lot more in the following weeks...  ;D ;)
Welcome to the Forum !!

Thanks very much for the welcoming words.

At our orchid society we decided a few months ago that we would have a ten minute presentation at our monthly meetings.  We try to talk about something which not everybody grows.  In this process we all learn.

I gave a presentation on Lycastes a few months ago and my wife did one on Brassia on Tuesday night and then even before joining this forum I offered to do a small talk on Pleiones at our meeting in May.  I am now so glad that I came across this forum where I will get lots of information to use.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on March 11, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
hello and welcome Faan 

Here's Pleione Novarupta 'Raven'
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 11, 2010, 08:56:06 PM
Very nice Julien !!!
Excellent Pleione !
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Post by: Hristo on March 12, 2010, 02:24:44 PM
Bravo Julien, very attractive cultivar indeed.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 12, 2010, 02:27:09 PM
Yes, very very nice!  :) It's the first time i see it.
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Post by: Ragged Robin on March 12, 2010, 05:19:48 PM
Julien, your Pleione is very striking - great photos  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on March 13, 2010, 08:34:21 AM
It's a clone from Ian Butterfield, I was the 1st surprised by it's 'lavand' colour as the ones I previously saw were more pinkish
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 13, 2010, 09:33:00 AM
Also from Ian Butterfield;

Pleione shantung 'Silver Anniversary' and Pleione 'Santorini'

These both just avoided aborting their flowers after temperatures dropped back to -10c outside here. Knock on effect indoors was an average temp drop of +5c from +15c to +10c. Pleione forrestii and Pleione 'San Salvador' stalled and aborted their flowers during this cool temp dip!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on March 13, 2010, 11:06:31 AM
Chris - Very nice 'Silver Anniversary'  ;)
Here in Czech is still a deep winter with a new snow cower every day.
My first flower will be P. forrestii - after one week (... I guess  ???).
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 14, 2010, 05:48:13 PM
My first hybrid to flower, but only just as many are not far away . :)
Hekla Locking Stumps is unusuall in that the emerging leaves are purple although the colour does fade as the leaves grow.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on March 14, 2010, 06:33:01 PM
and now, Pleione Marion Johnson
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 15, 2010, 09:09:40 AM
Very nice cultivars Eric and Julien,
Fowering here today Pleione Leda and Pleione Hekla 'Partridge' ( imaged below )
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 15, 2010, 09:39:54 AM
The ball seems to be rolling !!  ;D ;D
Thanks everyone - hope to post my first one tonight or tomorrow..
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 15, 2010, 12:49:51 PM
Great stuff Luc, a true Pleione fest soon then!! :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 15, 2010, 02:17:30 PM
Don't overestimate me Chris...  ;D ;D ... you might be disapointed...  ;D  :-\
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 15, 2010, 06:06:10 PM
Hey Luc, how can a healthy Pleione ever disappoint? ;) :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on March 15, 2010, 08:17:33 PM
Hi everybody,
I see that you here displaying photos the first flowers of Pleione in this year
So, I want to show too ;D
Ok, here's the first to flower here this year
Pleione formosana alba 'Clare'
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4376314124_db2f55df56_m.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ramsis/4376314124/
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 15, 2010, 08:30:32 PM

Welcome Ramsis, thanks for your photo which I hope will be first of many. ;)

Eric
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Post by: Maggi Young on March 15, 2010, 08:49:27 PM
Hi, Ramsis, good to know the pleione season is starting in Lithuania also.... 8)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on March 15, 2010, 09:03:37 PM

Welcome Ramsis, thanks for your photo which I hope will be first of many. ;)

Eric
I hope too …
but everything happens with Pleione, lose all the buds and the end... >:(
Hi, Ramsis, good to know the pleione season is starting in Lithuania also.... 8)
Lithuania still winter
-12 at night, but the first flowers have appeared :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 16, 2010, 12:12:30 PM
Welcome to the forum Ramsis !
A nice pot to start with !

Here's at last, my first two flowers :

1) Pl. hekla "Locking Stumps" - always looking a bit sad, hanging down like it does...  ;D
2) Pl. eiger "To Ah" - the recross of eiger, made by the late Jan Berg.


More to follow in the next days !!  :D :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 16, 2010, 01:28:02 PM
Ramsis, welcome also, fine looking pot of 'Clare'.
Luc, those are two beauties,I love the Eiger hybrids, was well worth the wait! :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on March 16, 2010, 05:34:46 PM
Pln Keith Rattray 'Kelty' (my cam can't seem to catch the colours on that one though...)
and Pln Quizapu 'Peregrine'
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 16, 2010, 05:57:55 PM
And from me Riah Shan
                 Eiger "Turtle Dove"
      And      Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" still flowering after over four months. :o

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on March 16, 2010, 07:06:25 PM
Hi Ramsis. Nice to have you on the Pleione addicts site. The more the merrier.

Katla - an old hybrid now, the first I obtained many years ago.
Eiger, my creamy white form.

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 16, 2010, 07:32:57 PM
Congratulations Pete, both are lovely - nothing wrong with an old hybrid  8)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on March 16, 2010, 07:35:13 PM
Eric Locke your Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" is amazing
I love bright lips :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 16, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
hello everybody
i'm new here, i'm french(north of France), i grow orchid and love plant in general

here the first Pleione in flower this year:

Pleione forrestii and Eiger
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 16, 2010, 08:12:02 PM

Welcome to the forum Sam and thanks for posting.
Lot"s more Pleione to enjoy over the coming weeks.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 16, 2010, 08:13:35 PM
Hello Sam, welcome to the Forum!
Nice pleiones.

We just had another new French member, JP, in Normandy, (see here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5090.msg142243#new    )

saying that there do not seem to  be many French snowdrop specialists.... do you grow them?!!

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 16, 2010, 09:02:21 PM
Lovely flowers Pete and Sam, nothing wrong with the early cultivars Pete, history is rarely so pretty!! ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 16, 2010, 09:19:00 PM
Looking forward to more of your Pleiones Luc, an exciting time  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 17, 2010, 06:24:04 AM
Hello Sam, welcome to the Forum!
Nice pleiones.

We just had another new French member, JP, in Normandy, (see here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5090.msg142243#new    )

saying that there do not seem to  be many French snowdrop specialists.... do you grow them?!!


i grow "normal" Galanthus in my garden but i'm not a specialist
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 17, 2010, 08:11:32 AM
I like the cream Eiger Pete !  Lovely !

Welcome to the Forum Sam !  Great start !
I think I see you' re using a system to tie the flowers up somewhat...   :)  haven't seen that on Pleione before !
Hope you'll be showing lots more !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 17, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
After recent discussions on this forum about problems with Pleione forrestii, I thought this picture may be of interest. I've not gone for any arty quality pictures but just to show how many in flower. This is just one of my trays and this year I am getting 99% flower success. 50% of shoots had double flowers but I cut the extra off as I think it ruins the overall flower image and puts extra strain on the bulb.

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 17, 2010, 02:43:26 PM
Ok Dave.... what are you trying to do to us poor mortal Pleione growers ???   :-\ ;D ;D ;D

A tremendous looking tray !!  :o
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 17, 2010, 04:14:28 PM
No bulb of forrestii have flowerd to me... :'( i don't know why because they have the same conditions of the other pleione bulbs.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 17, 2010, 05:37:55 PM
Dave, how does this compare to previous years, any cultural insights welcomed I suspect!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 17, 2010, 08:29:57 PM
The only difference this year is they had a far longer and colder dormant period over the winter boxed in the garage (like many in the UK I should imagine). Last year my forrestii started staggered flowering four weeks earlier but all seem to have started the same time this year. They are in the greenhouse but never in direct sunlight and well ventilated during the day. Far more have double shoots this year as well.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 17, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
Cheers Dave, confirms my approach for next year, I've had staggred flowering attempts but only the final forrestii has made it into flower, the first tried it in January, the second in February, each aborted their flower when the night temps dropped below +10c.I think I will store them in the fridge this autumn/winter and take them out the start of March.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 17, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
Just make sure you have a reliable fridge and don't ram it full of stuff over the Christmas period. I kept some in the bottom of the fridge a couple of years ago and when full at Christmas the bottom froze as the machine was working overtime. Killed about 25 bulbs, they came out all soft and going black.  :-[
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 18, 2010, 05:56:13 AM
Fair warning, cheers Dave, no room for food, full of seed! ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 18, 2010, 06:50:11 AM
Eric, your Warfdale is beautiful, i put it on my wish list

Hello Luc, we are neighbor (i live 60 Km from Harelbeke)

I think I see you' re using a system to tie the flowers up somewhat...   :)  haven't seen that on Pleione before !
Hope you'll be showing lots more !
the flowers are more visible like that and the bulbs don't move(to prevent broken roots...)
i've about twenty Pleiones to bloom
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 18, 2010, 09:48:37 AM
Not the most spectacular hybrid but kind of cute thanks to hookeriana;
Pleione Captain Hook
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 18, 2010, 10:57:17 AM
One could get hooked to Cpt Hook, Chris ! 
A nice Pleione, spectacular or not !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 18, 2010, 05:29:11 PM
LOL, indeed Luc, I'd been wondering about it's name, most obvious I guess Hook from hookeriana, but I wondered if the curved leaf was reminiscent of Captain Hook from Peter Pan. Sure somebody must know.....answers on the back of a postcard,BP badge for the winner!!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 18, 2010, 09:49:11 PM
Eric, your Warfdale is beautiful, i put it on my wish list

Hello Luc, we are neighbor (i live 60 Km from Harelbeke)

I think I see you' re using a system to tie the flowers up somewhat...   :)  haven't seen that on Pleione before !
Hope you'll be showing lots more !
the flowers are more visible like that and the bulbs don't move(to prevent broken roots...)
i've about twenty Pleiones to bloom

Sam -
Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" is indeed a fine hybrid that should be in everyones collection. An easy, reliable clone that makes huge bulbs and multiplies quickly . Major point with Pine Warbler is it"s very long flowering period which starts in November and this year is still going strong mid March. No other Pleione to my knowledge gets even close.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 18, 2010, 11:15:54 PM
Eric, by this very long flowering period, do you mean that individual flowers last a long time or that bulbs of this variety open their flowers over a long period, rather than all at once.... ???
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 19, 2010, 06:52:38 AM
Sam -
Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" is indeed a fine hybrid that should be in everyones collection. An easy, reliable clone that makes huge bulbs and multiplies quickly . Major point with Pine Warbler is it"s very long flowering period which starts in November and this year is still going strong mid March. No other Pleione to my knowledge gets even close.

Eric

Now i'm sure that i want this pleione !
this fall you will perhaps have a bulb for me ?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 19, 2010, 02:13:58 PM
A nice couple of Pleione forrestii.

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 19, 2010, 02:34:08 PM
Very nice Dave !!

Sam,
On est à côté !!!  :D :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 19, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
beautiful forrestii Dave

Luc,
j'habite entre Lille et Dunkerque, près de Poperinge
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 19, 2010, 05:13:04 PM
Eric, by this very long flowering period, do you mean that individual flowers last a long time or that bulbs of this variety open their flowers over a long period, rather than all at once.... ???

Maggi ,individual flowers do last a very long time but I did really mean that a panfull of bulbs flowers over many months.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2010, 05:19:31 PM
Thanks, Eric, that makes it clearer for anyone as confused as I am!  8)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 19, 2010, 08:09:25 PM
A nice couple of Pleione forrestii.



Nice David. My Forrestii are very slow this year and even grandiflora will flower before them this year. :o

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 19, 2010, 08:46:25 PM
Two more that opened yesterday :

1) Pleione bromo - new for me - the picture doesn't do it fully justice  :( - the pink of the petals and the yellow of the throat is much more pronounced in reality !
2) Pleione eiger "To be" - from the same seedpod as "To ah" posted a few days ago.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 19, 2010, 08:57:50 PM

Both are nice Luc.
Your Leda can"t be far behind . ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 19, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
They're not Eric.. but I'm saving them up until I have all 4 of them to show in one post for comparison...  :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 19, 2010, 09:02:38 PM
They're not Eric.. but I'm saving them up until I have all 4 of them to show in one post for comparison...  :D

Hope you selected well from the tray full.  ;)


Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 19, 2010, 09:05:10 PM
Wait and see Eric...  ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on March 19, 2010, 09:06:05 PM
First flower of Pleione yunnanensis
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 19, 2010, 09:08:00 PM

Nice photo and very early flowering too, as mine are not even showing yet. :'(

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 20, 2010, 07:12:57 AM
Luc and Ramsis have very beautiful pleiones !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 20, 2010, 09:35:45 AM
Nice David. My Forrestii are very slow this year and even grandiflora will flower before them this year. :o

Eric
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Eric

Most of my Pleione are not showing any signs yet. Grandiflora and yunnanensis have done nothing at all. They did have a very long dormant period and were left quite late before potting back up. The new arrivals I had from Ian Butterfield are much more advanced and I can only assume he keeps them warmer than me over winter.

I'm sure they will all catch up but its frustrating seeing everyone else's when I only have forrestii in flower so far :(.

Your Riah Shan is on my want list, tried to get it this year but they had sold out.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2010, 03:01:10 PM
A nice P. grandiflora I bought yesterday at the RHS London Orchid Show.

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 20, 2010, 06:15:28 PM


Nice David. My Forrestii are very slow this year and even grandiflora will flower before them this year. :o

Eric

Eric

Most of my Pleione are not showing any signs yet. Grandiflora and yunnanensis have done nothing at all. They did have a very long dormant period and were left quite late before potting back up. The new arrivals I had from Ian Butterfield are much more advanced and I can only assume he keeps them warmer than me over winter.

I'm sure they will all catch up but its frustrating seeing everyone Else's when i only have forrestii in flower so far :(.

Your Riah Shan is on my want list, tried to get it this year but they had sold out.

David
[/quote]

David I could be wrong but I was told that Wubben are no longer selling Riah Shan.

 More have opened for me over the past couple of days and even some before I have got round to potting them. Will post when I sort out the photos I took earlier today.


Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 20, 2010, 06:35:27 PM
A nice P. grandiflora I bought yesterday at the RHS London Orchid Show.

Alex

Alex, I was wondering what the RHS show was like this year and if many Pleiones were on sale.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 20, 2010, 07:03:35 PM
As promised some Pleione that have opened in the past couple of days.

First clones of Leda
                    Rakata "Rock Dove"
                    Zeus Weinstein

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on March 20, 2010, 08:55:42 PM
Hello Eric,

amazing to see how variable Leda is, yours are totally different from the one I have
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 20, 2010, 09:19:34 PM

Julien

This cross has produced a very large amount of very nice clones and Kath Faihurst certainly hit the Jackpot with this one. ::) ::) ::)

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2010, 10:09:12 PM
Hi Eric,

The show was pretty good for Pleiones, Heritage orchids are there with some nice ones (mainly hybrids) and several of the tropical growers sell a few Pleiones on the side. The best of these was Burnham orchids, which had good bulbs of most of the species including the P. grandiflora above and some rather massive maculata and healthy-looking hookeriana which I found hard to resist... 

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 20, 2010, 11:54:40 PM

Hi Alex

Good to hear there were a few pleione on sale this year.
Usually only KJ and Wubben selling any here.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on March 21, 2010, 06:10:21 PM
Pleione Bromo is very attractive Luc, a worthy addition to your collection!!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 21, 2010, 06:44:50 PM
A few more have emerged today.

Pleione forrestii alba, Pleione Vesuvius, Pleione Eiger
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 21, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
Wowww! Forrestii alba is so so special, congrattulations... i'd love to have it!  :P
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 21, 2010, 07:10:29 PM
Wow !
Great show everyone !!
Dave, P. forrestii alba is spectacular.... !!! This eiger clone is also very attractive !

Lovely leda forms Eric !!
I'll be hopefully showing mine tomorrow night.

Thanks for the pix from the RHS orchid show Rob !

I visited the Kent AGS show yesterday - only one Pleione on display  :'( - but is was a nice potful !  :D - thought I'd show it here :

Pleione bandai san
(sorry, I've not taken note of the name of the grower)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on March 21, 2010, 07:52:41 PM
Dave, P. forrestii alba is very nice. :)
My Pleione Shantung
only one I do not understand why blooming only one bulb, while others lost their buds... >:(
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 21, 2010, 08:32:40 PM

A Lovely Alba form of Forrestii David.
I am sure we would all love one of these. :P

Do you find cultivation of these similar to the more normal yellow clones. ?

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 22, 2010, 08:35:23 AM
Hi

This is the first year I've had Pln.forrestii alba in my collection after persuading someone to do a swap. I thought it was an FS-1 bulb as it was a bit smaller but had a nice surprise when it flowered. It is also a smaller flower than the regular yellow form. I'll take a picture of them both together a little later today and update this post. I'm very please with it myself as I like the markings, some 'alba' forrestii don't look as nice.

Picture update as promised.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 22, 2010, 09:03:51 AM
Dave, P. forrestii alba is very nice. :)
My Pleione Shantung
only one I do not understand why blooming only one bulb, while others lost their buds... >:(


Ramsis,
If you go through the forum you will find lots of earlier discussions about suddenly "aborting" Pleione buds - you will also see that nobody has a conclusive reason for this happening (too dry, too wet, too hot, too cold... etc...).
Better luck next time !!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hans J on March 22, 2010, 01:28:31 PM
here some Pleione flowers from me :

Pleione 'Rakata'

I know this is not something special ....but I'm glad  :D

...and thanks the good informations of this forum every year more flowers

Hans
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 22, 2010, 01:37:29 PM
Looking good Hans !!!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hans J on March 22, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
Thanks Luc  :D

...thats beginners luck !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 22, 2010, 02:21:03 PM
Hans, watching from the sidelines I only wonder at the skill required to grow Pleiones; so your pot full of Pleione 'Rakata' looks amazing to me  8)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 22, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
Thanks Luc  :D

...thats beginners luck !

Yeah... yeah... They all say that Hans !   ::) 8)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 22, 2010, 08:29:21 PM
Here's some more flowering at the moment !

I bought 4 Pleione Leda this Winter - hoping to get some variation - here they are - numbered from 1 to 4.

I'm very happy with the yellow one, who even produced a double flower.
Eric, if I remember correctly, you posted one very similar last season - also with a double flower ??

Also flowering - Pl. formosana alba "Polar sun"
And last, Pl. bromo - I already posted a picture of bromo earlier on, but I wasn't happy with the colours.  This picture does more justice to the subtle colours !

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 22, 2010, 08:52:24 PM
Hi Luc

Looks as though you selected well with your Leda.
No1 looks very similar to the one I posted earlier and the yellow very much like you mentioned as one I posted last year .This clone seems to always have double flowers and also multiplies well.
If you purchase four more next year the chances are that they will all be different again due to the wide variation of this suberb hybrid.

First of the Tongariro clones that opened today.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 22, 2010, 08:56:41 PM

If you purchase four more next year the chances are that they will all be different again due to the wide variation of this suberb hybrid.

Eric

I may go for 4 Krakatoa next year Eric ..  ::) :P

Excellent strong coloured tongariro by the way !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 22, 2010, 09:03:17 PM

If you purchase four more next year the chances are that they will all be different again due to the wide variation of this suberb hybrid.

Eric

I may go for 4 Krakatoa next year Eric ..  ::) :P

Excellent strong coloured tongariro by the way !


Luc

I purchased several Krakatoa this year as well as a few more Leda  ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: JPB on March 23, 2010, 08:12:22 AM
A little late, but here's P. humilis 'Bigu Gomba'. I aquired this clone from Koos Wubben and he got it from the late Jan Berg.
The pseudobulb is not "flask-shaped" and last year it did not produce the normal bunch of bulbils on top, but instead only two rather large ones (4mm diameter). Is this really a P. humilis?
Bigu Gomba (as Bigu Gompa) is a locality somewhere in the mountains of Central Nepal, as far as I could reconstruct.

More information on this particular clone is very welcome!

HAns
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 23, 2010, 08:17:59 AM
Very interesting Hans !
Would you have a good front view picture ??
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: JPB on March 23, 2010, 11:05:15 AM
Inside lip looks like a true P. humilis. I don't see any "Leda" in it ???
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 23, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
Looking good Rob !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: erekose on March 23, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Hi Rob
I have grown Pleiones for some years now (first ones in the early 1970's) and have tried them in various locations. Presently mine spend winter and spring in a greenhouse, under the staging except when they are actually in flower when they are elevated to the staging for a couple of weeks. The greenhouse is oriented north - south and they live on the west side so get a fair amount of spring sunshine. They move outside in May to a shady spot and return in the autumn. They seem to do fine with this level of light.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 23, 2010, 08:52:38 PM
Greetings, erekose, good to have you join us!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on March 23, 2010, 09:38:29 PM
Rob - nice Eiger 'Snowflake' it is rare to see this clone.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 23, 2010, 09:46:20 PM
Rob - nice Eiger 'Snowflake' it is rare to see this clone.

Hi Karel

Although Eiger "Snowflake" is not in Ian Butterfields catalogue he always has some for sale, just ask.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on March 23, 2010, 10:32:19 PM
Hi Eric,
I'm going to visit Ian next month, so I ask him. Thanks for advice.
Karel.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 23, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
A little late, but here's P. humilis 'Bigu Gomba'. I aquired this clone from Koos Wubben and he got it from the late Jan Berg.
The pseudobulb is not "flask-shaped" and last year it did not produce the normal bunch of bulbils on top, but instead only two rather large ones (4mm diameter). Is this really a P. humilis?
Bigu Gomba (as Bigu Gompa) is a locality somewhere in the mountains of Central Nepal, as far as I could reconstruct.

More information on this particular clone is very welcome!

HAns

Hi Hans

I have previously grown this clone before also and also understand it originated from Jan Berg.
Mine also came from Wubben which was near to Jan"s home and he passed on several of his Pleione to this nursery. I found this clone grew well for me for a couple of years before suddenly dying without ever producing bulbils as you mentioned ,or without increasing . This had  nice red markings in the lip but I found it no better than many others . I find Humilis can either have very flask-shaped bulbs with a long neck or the very oval shaped bulbs of this clone ,but both are common.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 24, 2010, 07:38:22 PM
Latest to flower is a Grandiflora with creamy petals and a nice yellow lip.
I will save some pollen from this one to use later. ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 25, 2010, 08:05:02 AM
Luc,

your Bromo is beautiful, your 4th Leda is the one i prefer
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 25, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
First   Krakatoa clone this year
Another  clone of Leda
Another clone of Zeus Weinstein

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 25, 2010, 08:19:46 PM
looking very goog Eric, nice orange Leda  ::)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: JPB on March 26, 2010, 08:47:50 AM
The P. humilis 'Bigu Gomba' has fully opened now. Thanks Eric for the info on this particular clone. BTW it has a purple-ish color on the back ???

Next two clones (?) of P. forrestii from KoolPlants. The second one is fragrant, the first one not...
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 26, 2010, 08:53:49 AM
All looking good Hans !!  :D

Lovely Krakatoa Eric !!!  ... and the Leda looks fabulous too !  Super !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2010, 11:22:11 AM
Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: JPB on March 26, 2010, 06:17:36 PM
Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
Thanks! This lady is 62 years old 8)...Can you ask Ian to send me his email address, I'll send him some photographs..
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2010, 06:30:08 PM
Will do Hans.... we thought she was a vintage! very nice!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 26, 2010, 06:57:07 PM
P. shantung "Pink panther" is very attractive Rob - I hadn't seen it before.

Here are two more that are flowering with me - my Whakari is a quite different colour !!

1) Pleione whakari - I'm very happy with this one !!  :D
2) Pleione speciosa - now P. pleionoïdes I guess.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 26, 2010, 07:36:17 PM
my forrestii lasted about 4 days! :( didnt even get a chance to take a photo haha
like everyone elses mine was early this year, normaly forrestii blooms much later for me.

Rob, my forrestii are later flowering than normal and the first is still in flower now. Normally from 25th February onwards.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: LarsB on March 26, 2010, 07:59:05 PM
Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
Thanks! This lady is 62 years old 8)...Can you ask Ian to send me his email address, I'll send him some photographs..

I've sent you a PM about the guitar as well.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 26, 2010, 08:07:54 PM
Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
Thanks! This lady is 62 years old 8)...Can you ask Ian to send me his email address, I'll send him some photographs..

I've sent you a PM about the guitar as well.
Ha Ha! Quite a lot of musical plantsmen around here, huh?!!  :)

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on March 26, 2010, 08:35:59 PM
nice species Hans  ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 26, 2010, 09:35:11 PM
Rob "Pink Panther" is a good vigorous selection that multiplies well.

Luc another fine Whakari . These do vary greatly.


Two clones from Paul Cumbleton"s unnamed cross of Hekla "Partridge" x Zeus Weinstein

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on March 26, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Nice plants Eric  :)
Another Paul's good work!  :o
Karel.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on March 27, 2010, 12:09:14 PM
I'm glad you like my Shantung 'Pink Panther'. It was bred by a friend and given to me in its entirety because he didn't like the colouring, thought it was too girlie. I named it Pink Panther because I'd just seen a Peter Sellers movie. ;D ;D.
It makes quite a strong plant but I have to grow it for a few more years before I sell any more. There are only about 10 in circulation now.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 27, 2010, 12:40:20 PM
I'm glad you like my Shantung 'Pink Panther'. It was bred by a friend and given to me in its entirety because he didn't like the colouring, thought it was too girlie. I named it Pink Panther because I'd just seen a Peter Sellers movie. ;D ;D.
It makes quite a strong plant but I have to grow it for a few more years before I sell any more. There are only about 10 in circulation now.
Now that's rare, isn't it? And you can't twin scale a pleione!! (Thinking about all the hoo-haa inthe Galanthus pages about rare 'drops!!)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johanneshoeller on March 27, 2010, 12:45:41 PM
No Pleione, but a similar orchid (near Calyso). Very difficult to cultivate!
My first pics - but not the best for details.

Hans

Changnienia amoena
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 27, 2010, 01:59:28 PM
Hi johannesholler, that's a very nice Changnienia amoena. I have one too but mine is not flowering yet. yours is very nice! ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: JPB on March 27, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
Hans, what an interesting orchid! Is it something like Calypso bulbosa as you mention "Calyso"?
Are these plants available for culture?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on March 27, 2010, 10:27:52 PM
Very nice Hans, I have never heard of Changnienia. Looks somewhat Pleione like in shape. Can you tell us anymore about it - where does it come from?

More Pleiones opening each week here in Brum;
forrestii var. Viet-nam. A nice pale yellow, scented form obtained this year. (Koolplants.)
Eiger - not as nice as many already shown.
formosana "Cairngorm" - a reliable performer.
limprichtii.

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: FrazerHenderson on March 28, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
This  Pleione forrestiix shantung won top prize at today's Royal Caledonian Horticultural Society 2010 spring show in Edinburgh.

Grower is Tom Mabbott.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on March 28, 2010, 06:44:01 PM
FrazerHenderson - Nice overcrowded pan of Shantung  :o
In Prague has started the flowering season!
Here the first of P. forrestii and next will follow during a short time.
Karel
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johanneshoeller on March 29, 2010, 09:04:37 AM
Some informations about Changnienia amoema:
It is a Chinese orchid and looks like Calypso bulbosa. I grow them in common with my Pleiones for 5 years (this year the first flowers). The plant has leaves between autumn and spring, flowering in winter/early spring (here in Europe) and dormant in summer, but need wet conditions in summer. I use Pleione substrate with more Sphagnum. They have started to flower after I covered them with snow. In winter I kept them a little wet and cold (near 0°C).
I think a nearly impossible to cultivate plant here in Europe (too different climatic conditions).
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 29, 2010, 01:25:37 PM
Some more information from the book 'Orchids Of China'.



Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on March 29, 2010, 02:15:30 PM
Thank you very much, this information is great!!! ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2010, 06:59:51 PM
Rob, potassium hydroxide is tricky stuff, not something that I personally would be using at home ....."Potassium hydroxide (KOH) is a very caustic, extremely alkaline substance. It is readily soluble in water, which makes it a popular laboratory chemical, as it can be used in many laboratory experiments, not to mention for a wide range of other applications also. When it is dissolved in water, potassium hydroxide gives out a good amount of heat. A chemical reaction which emits heat is known as an exothermic reaction. Potassium Hydroxide in its pure form is a hazardous substance and should therefore only be handled by qualified and competent persons. Although some of the weaker concentrations of KOH are not as hazardous, they should still only be handled by suitable, trained individuals. "

Maybe some of our pleione growers can suggest another, less risky method?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on March 30, 2010, 08:12:21 AM
Rob, If you just want PH adjusters, go to a hydroponic/aquarium shop or Ebay. Just type in PH up or PH down or Potassium hydroxide on Ebay search.

When adding the up/down PH adjuster you will only need tiny drops of it from a pipette (also available on Ebay) so I recommend you only buy a very small bottle (about £2.50 on Ebay). You you can't afford to invest in a PH meter, make sure you get some decent PH testing strips.

Potassium hydroxide is available from any of these stores and is commonly used for what you want it for.

Good luck with your seeds.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on March 30, 2010, 08:49:47 PM
Hi Rob, no I am never likely to  be at a snowdrop Gala ! ;)
There are a lot of Maggies out there I know,but if you ever meet me ( or hear me)you'll know it's me!

I heard you on the radio clip about the galanthus mania and events, by the way; i thought that was pretty cool for you!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Diane Clement on March 30, 2010, 09:32:37 PM
thanks Dave! i didn't think to look for pH up or pH down, i know these are available in aquatic stores and didn't put two and two together.
i think the medium has to have its pH reduced so it will be a pH down. i didn't realise these aquatic adjusters with actually potassium hydroxide!

Rob, Potassium hydroxide is a strong alkali (similar to bleach) so it will put the pH up not down
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 30, 2010, 10:50:20 PM
Back to some Pleione  :)

Two more Leda and Krakatoa clones.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 30, 2010, 10:53:09 PM
And More ;)

Brigadoon
Brigadoon "Stonechat"
 Hekla "Partridge"

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 30, 2010, 10:58:35 PM
A Few More

Formosana "Snowcap"
Kituro "Sulpher"
Pan of Zeus Weinstein

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 30, 2010, 11:00:08 PM
Not forgetting another Grandiflora  ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on March 31, 2010, 08:00:08 AM
Eric, very nice looking P. Kituro 'Sulpher', it is my favorite, but all your plants are beautiful.
K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 31, 2010, 12:12:09 PM
Eric, very nice looking P. Kituro 'Sulpher', it is my favorite, but all your plants are beautiful.
K.

I agree...but Brigadoon "Stonechat" is very special too  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Diane Clement on March 31, 2010, 07:55:54 PM
hi Diane, OK I'm confused now ???!
i was told that i needed the potassium hydroxide to lower the pH, but you say it will only increase it?  perhaps the pH down is a different form of potassium hydroxide or something?  i know of pH down as i have seen it in aquatic shops before so i guess i will need this one.  

Rob, I know almost nothing about Pleione cultivation, but I do know that Potassium hydroxide is a strong alkali and will therefore take the pH up.  There are no forms of Potassium hydroxide that do anything else.  
I suggest you take a look at Paul Cumbleton's site for lots of information about growing Pleiones including raising from seed http://www.pleione.info/ (http://www.pleione.info/)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on March 31, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
Eric, very nice looking P. Kituro 'Sulpher', it is my favorite, but all your plants are beautiful.
K.

Karel, Kituro "Sulpher" is a very nice hybrid that could easily pass for a Forrestii ,but perhaps a slightly paler yellow than some .I find this steady to bulk up and a nice panfull should not take that long to achieve. :)

I wonder if this is your No 1 favourite hybrid? and it got me to thinking what others forumists favourites are too.
Mine would be for a species - Aurita and for a hybrid Littondale "Oxnop".

Two more in flower today

 Piton
Zeus Weinstein "Dessert Sands"

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on March 31, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Hello Rob,
maybe you would like to try someone else to do your flasking? I can recommend  someone who also does Ian's. His name is Roy Barrow, he also runs a tropical nursery, royden.orchids@googlemail.com. His flasks have proved to be very vigorous. His charges are reasonable, and you say how many flasks you want. No germination no charge. I've asked him if he is willing to take on more pleione seed and he said yes.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 01, 2010, 10:08:29 AM
Rob,

To try and keep it simple, acid is the lower number and alkali is the higher number on the scale. IE 1-6 Acid with 1 being very Acid, 7 being neutral and 8-14 being Alkali, 14 being strong alkali. Therefore if you had an acid PH of 3 you would need to add some potassium hydroxide to take it UP to 7 if you wanted a neutral PH.



 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Paul Cumbleton on April 01, 2010, 11:15:41 AM
Hi Rob,
Yes there seems to be confusion about the naming of wild hybrids. The rules are that natural hybrids from the wild should be written with an "x" in front to signify that they are hybrids and then the name should start with a small letter, not a capital. It should also be in italics. So the correct way to write the names for all the natural hybrids that we know of are like this:

Pleione x barbarae
Pleione x christianii
Pleione x confusa
Pleione x kohlsii
Pleione x lagenaria
Pleione x taliensis

So we can tell the natural hybrids from ones produced artificially, the artificailly produced hybrids have to be given a Grex name. Grex names are written with a capital letter and not in italics. So, in the case of yunnanensis x forrestii, if a plant of this came from the wild it should be called Pleione x christianii, written just like that. If a plant of this was articially made it should be called Pleione Krakatoa. If Paul Christian is writing these a different way then he is incorrect. To make things more confusing, it is also permissable under the rules to write the name of the articial hybrid in this manner: Pleione x christianii Krakatoa grex. You can read a more detailed explanation of these rules in the Orchid Review Supplement Vol 111, no. 1253, page 80.

Inevitably the wild material carries a higher price than the man-made versions of the same thing.

Paul
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 01, 2010, 01:52:18 PM

Back to some Pleione  :)

Two more Leda and Krakatoa clones.

Eric

Seems like you held back some amunition Eric...  ;D ;)

Some quite extraordinary Pleione there !!  :o :o

The Krakatoa with the pinkish petals is gorgeous.. Kituro Sulpher is amazing... and I could continue like that !!!  Don't let us hold you back from posting more...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on April 01, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
and now Pleione Parientin
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 01, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
Hi Julien,

interesting flower. what is the cross? and did you make it yourself? is it different to Pln Paricutin (Pln. Tongariro x Pln. x confusa), Ian Butterfield 1986?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 01, 2010, 09:29:01 PM

yes thanks Dave i know how pH works :o


Very glad to hear it. It sounded like you did not as you were trying to use an alkaline (potassium hydroxide) to adjust the PH in the wrong direction ;)

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 01, 2010, 09:35:19 PM
Got caught in my potting shed this afternoon while the hail was falling out of the sky. I have a shelf around the whole room just at eye level, where I grow things I like to look at every day.
First Spiranthes sinensis, which has been flowering since October 2009. I think it's coming to the end now.
Then Pln Glacier Peak, quite early this year. Also Calanthe sieboldii, which lived outside during the winter of 2008/9 but I had the good sense to put it indoors in my pleione store last winter. Pln Bandai-san makes a nice show with its big flowers. Pln Bromo comes in different colour forms, pink and apricot. I rather like this one. Pln Eastfield Purple Emperor has such wonderful contrast in its colour scheme, it looks stunning on a showbench or display.

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 01, 2010, 10:09:06 PM

Nice selection Maren

Nice to see a White Glacier Peak as most seem to have varying amounts of pink too. This is a popular cross that has been done many times and the only pure Whites I have seen before are from Rainer Kretz ,which I guess is this ones origine ?.
Bromo looks nice .

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on April 01, 2010, 10:19:10 PM
Hello Maren

  It's a plant I bought 10 years ago in a garden festival, I have no information on its parents, and it could as well be misnamed (a Pln humilis from the same seller turned out to be X barbarae).
  The bulb is green and flat like some clones of formosana alba, but it sadly never increased nor produced any bulbils.

  I have one Pln Paricutin that Ian sent me as a gift last winter along with my order but it's not growing yet so I cannot compare.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 01, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
Hi Eric,

the Glacier Peak came from Kath Fairhurst. I wonder if she re-made the cross herself. It's possible.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 01, 2010, 10:27:29 PM

Maren, Kath did a re-make and I was talking to her about it last Sunday. ;)
She did have on the showbench a pot of them but all these did have a good amount of pink in the petals.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 02, 2010, 09:13:40 AM
Wonderful selection Maren !
Glacier Peak definitely is one to look out for !  :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 02, 2010, 09:50:55 AM
Thank you for your kind comments. I have put a red star on the label of the Glacier Peak, so that I can keep it apart from the rest to grow on into a bowlful. It seems like a good candidate, having three flowers on a medium sized pseudobulb. Cheers. :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 02, 2010, 05:06:30 PM
Hi Rob,
splitting up your seeds seems like a good idea, it's always good to have a Plan B. If you've made something really nice, it would be a shame not to give it every chance to succeed. Good luck.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on April 02, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
Rob - if you are using commercial media, I find you only have to make small pH adjustments. I use citric acid to reduce the pH & sodium bicarbonate to raise it. Both readily available from pharmacies.

Sifaka -  first seedling of this cross to flower for me. An excellent form but not a brilliant pic. as the petals are showing much more reddish tint then they actually have, but I cannot get a more better one.
Pl. grandiflora, opens cream colour & then turns a pure white.
Rakata "Shot Silk"
    "     "Locking Stumps"
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 02, 2010, 06:14:44 PM
Hi, your Sifaka looks nice, the picture shows the veining very well. But your grandiflora is gorgeous. congratulations.  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on April 02, 2010, 07:39:44 PM
Hello everyone,
After over 12months of reading very informative and interesting threads I thought it was about time I entered the inner circle.
This is the first thread I visit each day as I am a Pleione enthusiast, but not to the exclusion of many other orchids, woodlanders and alpines.
This P. forrestii is my first group to flower this year with, (hopefully), plenty of others to follow.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on April 02, 2010, 07:43:52 PM
Welcome to posting, Graham!
 It looks like that potful  will be looking good for the Edingburgh Show next week, Huh??!! :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 02, 2010, 07:44:28 PM
Hello everyone,
After over 12months of reading very informative and interesting threads I thought it was about time I entered the inner circle.
This is the first thread I visit each day as I am a Pleione enthusiast, but not to the exclusion of many other orchids, woodlanders and alpines.
This P. forrestii is my first group to flower this year with, (hopefully), plenty of others to follow.

Welcome Graham and what a lovely arrangement  ::) ::) ::)
Please keep them coming. ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on April 02, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
Hi Maggi & Eric,
Thanks for your very prompt welcome.
Not sure I'm ready for showing yet Maggi, but I will be at the show.
Graham
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 02, 2010, 07:56:49 PM
Hi Pete

Lovely Sifaka ,which I have found slow to flower from seedlings from the few I was given several years ago and I have to wait another year. :'(

More from today

Leda no6  ( more yet Luc  ;) )
Archie Goodwin
Jenny Kretz

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on April 02, 2010, 08:36:21 PM
Hi Maggi & Eric,
Thanks for your very prompt welcome.
Not sure I'm ready for showing yet Maggi, but I will be at the show.
Graham

I think you are too modest, Graham.
I'll be at the show...... please introduce yourself to me.... I'm easily found.... eating cake or chatting in the foyer, for the most part!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 02, 2010, 09:01:41 PM
Welcome Graham : What a great start !!  :D :D

A wonderful series Pete, I cannot but agree with Maren - gorgeous Sifaka and the Grandiflora looks super !!

I'm counting them with you Eric... (the Leda's I mean  ;D) - another great specimen !!  :o
Jennie and Archie are not bad either... :

Here's some of mine flowering these days :

1) Pl. ueli wackernagel - pink form - (the colourbreaks in the petals worry me a bit... any comments anybody ??  :-\)
2) Pl. ueli wackernagel - the pale form - I really love this one!
3) Pl. shantung "Ducat"
4) Pl. piton
5) Pl. orizaba - a good dark one I think.
6) Pl. hekla "Partridge"
7) Pl. captain hook
8) Pl. alishan "Mothers Day"

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 02, 2010, 09:33:59 PM

Hi Luc

Nice series. I have noticed these petal markings too on some Ueli but I don"t think it is anything to worry about . Petals look identical to those on your Mothers Day. ;)
That Large, Pale form of Ueli (ex Jan Berg) is super and a favourite of mine too. It is very vigorous and makes huge bulbs. I have used this one for one of my crosses.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on April 02, 2010, 11:03:50 PM
Nice lot Luc especially the pale Ueli. Your Ueli's are well ahead of mine.
I also would not be too concerned by the mottled petals. Many of mine are showing it this year & I suspect that it is temperature related & due to the cold Winter we have had. Zeus Weinstein, Piton & a pink form of Shantung are particularly affected this year for me. I do not think they are viral effects.

Welcome Graham - nice "scenic" forrestii grouping.

Eric - your collection is romping away nicely. Love the Archie Goodwin. I had this years ago & lost it, (was never that vigorous.) A rare hybrid now.

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 02, 2010, 11:19:09 PM
Welcome Graham, so nice to see Cypripedium guttatum as your avatar. And your arrangement of P. forrestii is very pleasing. I look forward to seeing more of your plants and arrangements. :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on April 03, 2010, 08:23:35 AM
Thank you all for your kind welcome and comments.

For those of you that are posting photos, you clearly have much larger collections than I do. I don't have too much space so am concentrating on species instead of hybrids, (except for a pan of 'Fuego'), and bulking them up.

Please don't expect any more pleione flowers soon. The closest is P. pleionoides but I think that is two or three weeks away.

Maggi, I will certainly seek you out next Saturday.

Maren, The C. guttatum, although diminutive, is my favourite Cypripedium. The flower in the avatar was my first (last year), after a wait of two years. There are three shoots this year and I hope there will be at least another flower.

Eric, I really like the deep colour of the 'Archie Goodwin'.

Graham

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 03, 2010, 08:29:38 AM
Nice lot Luc especially the pale Ueli. Your Ueli's are well ahead of mine.
I also would not be too concerned by the mottled petals. Many of mine are showing it this year & I suspect that it is temperature related & due to the cold Winter we have had. Zeus Weinstein, Piton & a pink form of Shantung are particularly affected this year for me. I do not think they are viral effects.

Welcome Graham - nice "scenic" forrestii grouping.

Eric - your collection is romping away nicely. Love the Archie Goodwin. I had this years ago & lost it, (was never that vigorous.) A rare hybrid now.

Pete.

Pete, you are certainly correct about Archie Goodwin not being vigorous.
This is my third year with it and the first time any have flowered and it is increasing at snail pace. :(


Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 03, 2010, 10:18:12 AM
Thanks for the reassuring comments on the mottled petals guys - it had me worried for a moment.  ;)
Looking forward to more pix !! ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on April 03, 2010, 09:10:40 PM
Welcome Graham, nice forrestii

Eric, your Leda is beautifull

Pale form of Luc's Ueli wackernagel is super and a favourite of mine too


Here's two of mine flowering these days

Pl. aurita and Tolima
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on April 03, 2010, 09:24:08 PM
Super flowers, Sam.

I have edited your photos to be a better size for the Forum.... 760 pixels wide. 8)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on April 03, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Sam
very nice P. aurita.
I like it..
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 04, 2010, 09:19:14 AM
Very strong coloured aurita Sam !!
As Ramsis, I like it too !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on April 04, 2010, 09:26:32 AM
Hi Sam
I agree with the others, a very nice aurita. I don't have this species in my collection yet but intend to in the future.

Thanks for your comments on my forestii.

Graham
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on April 04, 2010, 08:33:24 PM
robsorchids
your P. krakatoa 'wheatear' is amazing :)
I want to show my P. chunii, but I think that there P.limprichtii ??? Am I right...???   
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on April 04, 2010, 09:22:59 PM
Ramsis, I think it looks like P. x barbarae, but very nice.  :)
K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on April 05, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
I'd think x barbarae too, with a really nice colour.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on April 05, 2010, 01:31:05 PM
robsorchids,
in this picture flower is  a little darker than really, because I took pictures in the evening.
color similar to your P. hekla 'locking stumps'
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on April 05, 2010, 04:38:23 PM
Ramsis, the color can be pale, but the markings is typical for x barbarae.
K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on April 05, 2010, 07:31:29 PM
How do you think  can I rename to P. x barbarae, or leave as Pleione noid
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 05, 2010, 07:38:15 PM
A few more out today, should be many more over the next few weeks.

P. Hekla
P. Rakata Rock Dove
P. Zeus Weinstein
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on April 05, 2010, 08:14:04 PM
"Hi Eric,
the Glacier Peak came from Kath Fairhurst. I wonder if she re-made the cross herself. It's possible."

Maren,
Here is one of my Glacier Peaks flowering now. Mine are from seedlings given to me by Kath. She quoted the cross as using formosana "Cairngorm." 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 05, 2010, 09:04:47 PM
"Hi Eric,
the Glacier Peak came from Kath Fairhurst. I wonder if she re-made the cross herself. It's possible."

Maren,
Here is one of my Glacier Peaks flowering now. Mine are from seedlings given to me by Kath. She quoted the cross as using formosana "Cairngorm." 

Hi Pete That is a lovely Glacier Peak. Kath has a very nice Cairngorm with red lip markings and not the usuall brick-red colour and this seems to have come through into this clone.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 05, 2010, 09:24:49 PM
Hi Pete

That is a nice Glacier Peak. The Zeus Weinstein are now all open and the others I got from you are not far behind.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 06, 2010, 08:44:38 AM
Maren,
Here is one of my Glacier Peaks flowering now. Mine are from seedlings given to me by Kath. She quoted the cross as using formosana "Cairngorm." 
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Hi Peter, thank you for mentioning 'Cairngorm'. Now I understand why the cross looks like this.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 06, 2010, 08:49:01 AM
Wonderful show Dave, Pete and Eric !!
So many beauties still to look out for..   ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on April 06, 2010, 03:54:45 PM


Hi Ramsis .. Certainly at first sight, this does look like x Barbarae, but looking closer at the bulb and considering the actual flower is much paler than shown, it could be Limprichtii. I wonder if the bulb is fairly small and flask- shaped ? If it is I would say Limprichtii but a larger and plumper bulb would indicate x Barbarae
Ok... now I know that I have P. x barbarae, the bulb is large and plump, besides today bloomed
 Pleione limprichtii, the flower of limprichtii,  is much more smaller than the  P. x barbarae.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 06, 2010, 08:04:18 PM
I could do with the cat, caught over 20 mice in my greenhouse since Christmas.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 06, 2010, 09:16:48 PM
I could do with the cat, caught over 20 mice in my greenhouse since Christmas.

They certainly do like a nice Pleione bulb to eat or scatter far and wide. >:(                                          I find any Pans left at low level are sure to be attacked  :'(

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on April 06, 2010, 09:17:46 PM
I could do with the cat, caught over 20 mice in my greenhouse since Christmas.

And me - mice had also caused me problems before I realised they were getting into the greenhouse and they went for my Edgecumbes - grrr. They ate all the growth buds, so no flowers this year (& one bulb subsequently rotted!!!) They have picked up & moved bulbs around to, I have a grandiflora flowering in a Ueli Wackernagel pot. (They also ate every Rhodohypoxis bulb I had.)
Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 06, 2010, 11:04:13 PM
Did not see any damage but noticed potted dormant bulbs that were sitting upright were now on their sides. Caught six the first night I put some traps out.

Rob, on a previous post you asked about utilising space below, put some traps down if you do.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 07, 2010, 12:04:21 PM
A couple more today. P. Marion Johnson is much darker than this with deeper orange colours. Will try and get a better picture under different light.

Pleione Marion Johnson
Pleione Guenter (new hybrid registered last year).

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 07, 2010, 03:41:19 PM
White balance was set to auto and got it wrong. The difference can be seen with the new photo of P. Marion Johnson as compared to the one above. Will retake Guenter again tomorrow as these look wrong to me now as well.

P. Marion Johnson
P. formosana Claire
P. Shantung Gerry Mundey
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 07, 2010, 07:46:25 PM

Nice photos Dave.
Your two photos of Marion Johnson show well how different conditions and light levels can alter the colours and change the look of our plants completely. For this reason I always now, manually alter the White Balance to achieve the nearest likeness possible. Another tip is to avoid any direct sunlight on the plant.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 07, 2010, 08:02:38 PM
Hi Eric

I bought a grey card for this purpose from Jessops but thought the conditions seemed the same as before but was obviously very wrong as the images show.

A couple more.

P. formosana Cairngorm
P. Kilauea Hoopoe (new one for me and I like it a lot).
P. Guenter (again with correct white balance)

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 07, 2010, 08:30:00 PM

Dave
First time I have seen Hoopoe and it looks super. ::)
Not seen Guenter before either and wonder what it"s parentage is ?

Mice like Bletilla too !!!!! Scattered everywhere.  >:( >:( >:(


Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 07, 2010, 08:39:03 PM
Eric/Others

Paul Cumbletons website is updated now with last years new hybrids.

P. Guenter  (Pln. bulbocodioides x Pln. Eiger) 
G. Bergel  2009

Alternatively -   http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 07, 2010, 08:55:51 PM
Great plants and wonderful pix Dave - Pl. kilauea "Hoopoe" is new to me too and it's a real beauty !!

Here's some flowering with me today :

1) Pl. Marion Johnson (very similar to yours I think, Dave)
2) Pl santorini "Yellow Wagtail" - produced a double flower !  :D :D
3) Pl kenya "Bald Eagle" - quite a small flower but excellent colour.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 08, 2010, 08:11:36 AM
Hello

Looking good Luc. Very nice to so Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail' with two flowers.   

The season is about to start for me. Almost there. The first flowers opend during the night so I will try to post some pictures during the weekend.  I am wondering if there are other people out there with the flowering season to so late?

Greetings.

Pieter 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 08, 2010, 08:14:58 AM
Hi Pieter !

I hope it's not just the Pleione that are growing strong ??  ;)

I think my Pleiones are just in a much warmer environment (Veranda)than yours.  :-\  But no worries, you will catch up and it will lenthen our Pleione season !!  :D :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 08, 2010, 10:20:22 AM
Hi Luc

Love the P. Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail'. Don't have this one yet, just the normal P. Santorini. I normally cut off second flowers as they can ruin the shape of the flower but in your case it shows it does not always happen as it looks great. Last year I had a double of P. yunnanensis which I left and it also looked fantastic.

Pieter

I've got many bulbs that are only just starting to show some movement and some that have not moved at all yet (apart from the mice walking on them). All depends as Luc said, how warm they are now and how they were kept over winter. Most of mine were in a very cold garage until mid February before being potted back up. Some new ones I have had this year from I. Butterfield are far more advanced than mine and I can only assume his are kept warmer over winter.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 08, 2010, 12:51:36 PM
Thanks for the replys.

The way plants are storred over winter surelly will have an influence on the growth but it is not verry clare to me if all is right.  All my Pleiones are storred in a brickwork garden shed. the same place they are potted up to bring them to growth. I also have some new plants from I. Butterfield that are well on the move but some of my own stock is faster than these and others are slower. For example, my Hekla is much slower than my Shantung.
As long as they are in good health and show of with their flowers, I am happy.

Oh by the way Luc. It is indeed not only the Pleiones that are growing strong. Little Anna has already grown 4cm in 5 weeks time. To say it in horticultural terms: she is a vigoures bulb.

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 08, 2010, 03:44:32 PM
A few more today.

P. Shantung Silver Anniversary
P. Rakata Locking Stumps
P. Rakata Shot Silk
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 08, 2010, 03:49:08 PM
Oh by the way Luc. It is indeed not only the Pleiones that are growing strong. Little Anna has already grown 4cm in 5 weeks time. To say it in horticultural terms: she is a vigoures bulb.

Greetings

Pieter

Haha... many congratulations Pieter (and to the happy mother of course !!) - don't forget : bulbs like this take a lot longer to mature than even the slowest Pleione ...  ;D ;D ;)
Many congratulations again !!!

Maggi,
I think a Forum member becoming a father deserves some extra Cake ???  8)

Love the P. Sh. "Silver Anniversary" David !!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on April 08, 2010, 04:11:18 PM
Hey, Luc, thanks for this news from Pieter.......Well, a new Baby!  8) :D :)
How wonderful.... many, many congratulations to Pieter and his good Lady on the birth of Anna... may she grow and flourish and be always a joy to you.
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Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Tomas on April 08, 2010, 07:11:51 PM
Pleione Santorini
T.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 08, 2010, 09:02:03 PM
Hi Tomas

Nice P. Santorini, mine are only just coming in to bud and are way off flowering yet.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 08, 2010, 09:27:52 PM


Popped in at Ian Butterfield's for a chat yesterday and he showed me some of his as yet unnamed hybrids:

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 08, 2010, 09:38:32 PM
And a couple more, the first named after his son Michael and the second as yet unnamed, but jut look at the colours. Ian is holding them for me to photograph, not a brilliant picture due to my lack of skill, but what beauties.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 08, 2010, 10:05:42 PM
Stunning Maren, P. Michael Butterfield is my favourite but all are a must for the future.

Thanks for sharing.

David

PS Pictures are great.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 08, 2010, 10:11:55 PM

Lovely Maren  ::)  I must pay a visit .

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maren on April 08, 2010, 10:12:51 PM
Thanks David, you are kind. I particularly like to have Ian's hands in the picture. It makes it so real. There was also a big smile on his face. :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on April 08, 2010, 10:14:12 PM
Exciting pix of these new plants from Ian Butterfield.... thanks, Maren.

The one named for his son and the other pictured in  the same post.... not only are the form and colours lovely, but as we  can see from the hand... they are good BIG  blooms, also! Lovely!!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 09, 2010, 11:18:30 AM
X barbarae

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Ramsis on April 09, 2010, 06:05:16 PM
Thank you Maren for the photos, now a need to expand the list of dreams :)
Slug Killer
nise P. x barbarae
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 09, 2010, 06:40:38 PM
Another new one for me, Pleione St Helens

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 09, 2010, 09:11:20 PM
Very nice David.
St Helens has a good colourcombination.
I saw it in Ian Butterfields catalogue but I couldn't imagine what it would look like.
An other one for my wish list.

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 10, 2010, 11:37:05 AM
Pieter

I had no idea either what P. St Helens was going to look like and just had a gamble, very glad I did as I think it's beautiful.

This next one is a little late!
P. Tarawera

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 10, 2010, 10:56:48 PM
A couple more from me.

Irazu "Mallard"
Glacier Peak

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: JPB on April 11, 2010, 03:05:29 PM
Two different clones of P. humilis. First one from Koolplants with large pure white flowers (two on one stalk actually :)).
Second (through Eric Locke) is a little smaller with cream flower and some nice yellow on lip into throat. P. humilis is one of my favourites..
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on April 11, 2010, 03:20:07 PM
Pleione aurita for you!  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 11, 2010, 07:18:28 PM
As promised, here are some pictures from my first Pleiones to flower for me this year.

Krakatoa 1
Shantung Ducat
Alischan Mothers Day

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 11, 2010, 07:21:02 PM
Good start Pieter !!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on April 11, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
Hi everybody.
This week I've visited Ian and Paul, so here are several photos from Ian's glasshouse:

Pleoine Makian-'Jeeny'
P.-x-kohlsii
P.-Anstice-Harris
P.-albiflora-01
P.-Helgafell-'Siskin'-02
P.-Betty-Arnold-x-P.-Makian
P.-Makian-x-P.-Mageik
P.-Jake-Butterfield
P.-grandiflora-(yellow)
P.-Caroli-x-P.-Marion-Johnson
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 12, 2010, 12:00:07 AM

Nice Karel, thanks for showing them.
Wonder if you managed to obtain an Eiger "Snowflake" from Ian ?

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: LarsB on April 12, 2010, 09:57:25 AM
Nice Karel. So, albiflora is real  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Faan on April 12, 2010, 10:28:35 AM
This has nothing to do with Pleinones, but I am just curios to know from Lars whether grows the Disa he has in his avatar
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 12, 2010, 11:26:25 AM
A strange P. grandiflora????

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 12, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
Hi Pleione lovers,

I couldn't find a better place to introduce myself so I hope it will be okay to do this here.  :)
Although I read this forum for quite some time I just decided to register today.

So far I really did enjoy all the beautiful Pleione flowers shown here and hope to add pictures of some of my own flowering species and hybrids as well. This year is a somewhat strange start as the early Pleiones are flowering simultaneously with ones that are usually later flowering and all of them seem to burst into flower after a long winter.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on April 12, 2010, 12:47:50 PM
Hi, ThomasB... good to welcome you to the forum  8)

I think the past winter (Always supposing that it IS past and not waiting to throw a bit more snow and frost at us  :-\ ) has been confusing for a lot of plants.
It will be interesting to see how the unusual season affects NEXT year's growth and flowers.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 12, 2010, 01:13:17 PM
Herzlich wilkommen ThomasB !  ;)
I'm sure you will like it here and we are just as surely awaiting your pictures !!  :D :D
 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 12, 2010, 08:08:28 PM
Thank you for this warm welcome.  :D

I'm trying to add a picture of one of the first Pleione which flowered for me this year. Hekla 'Partridge'


It did work - nice!  ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 12, 2010, 08:32:11 PM
Some more Pleiones which already flowered here:

1) Archie Goodwin
2) aurita
3) Bandai-San 'Sand Grouse'
4) grandiflora
5) Harlequin
6) Irazu 'Cheryl'
7) Kenya
8) Kilauea 'Curlew'
9) Santorini
10) Zeus Weinstein
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: fleurbleue on April 12, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
Hi ThomasB  :D How and where do you grow them ? All nice plants  ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 12, 2010, 08:56:35 PM
A couple more flowers. I do grow all of them at my appartment within a small greenhouse on wheels. This is placed at a west-facing window in a cool room. The Pleiones do spend the summer outside on my balcony.

A nice yellow Leda (2 flowers per stalk although I did remove the partly developed second one)
Shantung 'Ducat'
Shantung 'Ridgeway'
Tongariro
x barbarae
One I received (German orchid nursery) as hookeriana which it obviously isn't. Maybe a lighter form of Leda or a grandiflora?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on April 12, 2010, 09:32:18 PM
Hi Dave,
I like the unusual P. grandiflora. Hope I have one of those in the ones I got from you!!

Graham
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on April 12, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
Dave - very nice ? grandiflora. Could it even be a superb xbarbarae?

Welcome Thomas. Nice plants you have, particularly the yellow Leda.

Karel - thanks for your excellent pics. Very nice to see an image of albiflora - it has terrific frill to the lip - I want!

More of mine;
Sifaka - another seedling flowering for the 1st time.
Piton - all double flowered & making a nice show from a few bulbs.
Ueli Wackernagel.
grandiflora with more yellow in the lip.

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 13, 2010, 07:18:27 AM
Pleione albiflora is a nice species - I too like the frilly lip and would love to get a bulb of this! Unfortunately the plants offered almost never seem to be the true species but turn out as grandiflora, light 'Eiger' or sometimes humilis.

Pete - Sifaka has a colour combination I really like. White lip with red stains is always something I appreciate.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: LarsB on April 13, 2010, 08:24:30 AM
This has nothing to do with Pleinones, but I am just curios to know from Lars whether grows the Disa he has in his avatar

Yes, i grow it. It's Disa uniflora 'Christmas gold'.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 13, 2010, 10:13:51 AM
You didn't disapoint us ThomasB !
A very nice entry !!  ;D ;D

Lovely show Pete - love the Grandiflora with more yellow !  :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 13, 2010, 01:42:21 PM
Like the P. Sifaka, very deep red colouration.

A few of my P. grandiflora out today
P. Alishan 'Mothers Day'
P. formosana 'Snow White'

 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 14, 2010, 08:54:38 PM
Santorini "Yellow Wagtail" is one of my favourites too !
I posted a picture of mine a couple of weeks ago - last week however - I had the visit from an excellent and very well equipped photographer who made a "study" of this wonderful Pleione(pix 1-2-3).  Thought you might like it - I hope cropping the images didn't harm the quality too much.

Picture 4 is Pl. whakari - detail of the frilled lip !



Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on April 14, 2010, 10:05:35 PM
Ooooooh!  :o
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Hristo on April 15, 2010, 06:32:19 AM
Now that is a super lip on your 'Wagtail' Luc!!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johanneshoeller on April 15, 2010, 01:04:45 PM
The first Pleiones in this year after humilis and forrestii. I only grow older hybrids.

Pleione Bandai-san 1
Pleione Brigadoon Stonechat 1
Pleione bulbocodioides 4
Pleione Deriba 1
Pleione grandiflora 4
Pleione Harlequin 1
Pleione Soufriere 1
Pleione Surtsey 1
Pleione Zeus Weinstein 1
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on April 15, 2010, 01:18:02 PM
Nice collection Hans.
Beautiful closeup of the Yellow Wagtail's lip Luc!
Here is my P. forrestii - semialba, flowering for the first time.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2010, 08:24:32 PM
A few more...

Alex

Pleione grandiflora
P. X confusa
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 17, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
A few more

P. Callisto
P. Edgecombe

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 17, 2010, 01:20:14 PM
All these pictures.
Even if the season started late and not all is in flower yet, it is realy great to see all these Pleiones.

Alex,
That x confusa is verry nice.

David,
Your Edgecombe is the first I see that has such a pink colour. But it still lookes smashing.

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 18, 2010, 08:32:13 AM
And here are some more from me.

- formosana
- formosana Polar Sun (Luc recognize this? ;))
- Shantung Silver Anniversery
- Rakata Skylark
- Surtsey
- Marion Johnson

Enjoy

Greetings
Pieter

PS: Thanks for the E-card that was send for our little daughter. It is probabley the best we ever recieved. ;D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: arisaema on April 18, 2010, 09:05:04 AM
Mine are running behind as usual, they were just taken out of the fridge :) Here's P. bulbocodioides:
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 18, 2010, 03:06:36 PM
Three more today. First time flowering for P. Quizapu Peregrine and it took a long time to open.

P. Quizapu Peregrine
P. Shantung
P. formosana 'Greenhill'

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 18, 2010, 08:09:18 PM
Quizapu Peregrine is a real beauty! Absolutely stunning  :D

The warm weekend caused Vesuvius 'Tawny Owl' to open. 'Archie Goodwin' looks different some days later and fully opened.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 19, 2010, 09:01:19 AM
I've been off line the last couple of days so had to catch up with the posts this morning !!  A good harvest !!  ;D ;D

Some breathtaking stuff there !
Thanks for showing !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on April 19, 2010, 10:10:14 PM
Hi, a couple of flowers from today:
P. Leda
P. Rakata 'Rock Dove'
K.

David, Pieter - Nice pictures  ;)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on April 20, 2010, 05:24:24 AM
more flowers opened yesterday Shantung, tongariro, hekla and versailles bucklebury on tiny bulbs 1 cm wide !
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 20, 2010, 07:35:46 AM
Nice flowers Sam!  :D

Could it be that you mixed something up with the names? 'Bucklebury' is a named form of Versailles not Vesuvius, isn't it?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on April 20, 2010, 08:02:30 AM
oh yes, i make a mistake  ::)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 22, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
Some more today.

P. Orizaba Fish Eagle
P. Zeus Weinstein 'Desert Sands'
P. Kenya Bald Eagle
P. formosana 'Oriental Grace'

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on April 24, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
One of the most beautiful hybrids out today, Pleione Edgecombe - quite variable but all that I've seen are an incredible colour.

By the way, this is the first year I've had it but I hear black spot is a big problem with this one - anyone have any experience in how to deal with this (perhaps preemptively)?

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 24, 2010, 01:34:13 PM
Nice P. Edgecombe Alex, mine has a lot more pink in it.

Some more today.
P. Alisha merlin
P. Eastfield Purple Emperor
P. Oriental Splendour
P. Novarupta Raven
P. Pavlof
P. Rakata Keith Rattray
P. Santorini
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on April 24, 2010, 03:51:15 PM
I saw the picture - another beautiful variation. Do you find it very difficult to grow?

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 24, 2010, 04:22:16 PM
Alex, only had it this year so I don't know yet.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 24, 2010, 06:48:55 PM
Hello everybody

Some more pictures from my flowering Pleiones.

P. Volcanello 'Honey Buzzard'
P. Volcanello 'Song Thrush'
P. formosane 'Greenhill'
P. formosana 'Clare'
P. Vesuvius
P. Orizaba
P. Marion Johnson 2
P. Krakatoa 2
P. Tongariro
P. ?????    This last Pleione is in my collection for a few years and has always been labeled as formosana but I am not sure that it is. Any one a idea what this realy is?

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 24, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
Hi Pieter,

Nice pictures. I think you will find it is P. Volcanello 'Song Thrush' not 'Trust'. Named after the bird.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on April 24, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Pieter and David - nice collections.
Here in Prague the main season comes very slowly.
K.

Pln. Burrator is flowering now.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on April 24, 2010, 09:09:28 PM
Hello everybody

Some more pictures from my flowering Pleiones.

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Eric Locke on April 24, 2010, 10:22:29 PM

Nice photo"s from everyone.
Sorry I have not been able to contribute much this season due bad health.

Eric
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 24, 2010, 11:08:01 PM
David

Thanks for the remark. I have been using the wrong name for a long time, but no longer.   ;D

Eric

All the best with your health. Every picture not posted this season is one for the next season.  ;)

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on April 25, 2010, 06:17:17 PM
Here's one I've waited years for....and many, many thanks to a member of this forum for pointing me in the right direction! It's Pleione coronaria, just opening but judging by pictures I've seen I'm not sure it's a flower that ever opens very fully.

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 25, 2010, 06:44:08 PM
Very nice Alex as it's on my most wanted list :'(

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on April 25, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
Hopefully the bulbils I sent you at the end of last year are sprouting now? Mine are.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 25, 2010, 07:07:29 PM
I've got one that is still dormant and another that's about two cm high. Watching daily and treating it like a baby.

I'll let you know it's progress.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 26, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
So many beauties but I think I'm definitely in love with Pleione 'Burrator'. I do like the Pln. coronaria crosses and it's good to see this species here.

Here are flowering Pleione Erebus 'Redpoll' , 'Vesuvius' and a Pleione aurita which shows the origin of it's name as the petals curve backwards like ears (rabbit ears).  :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johanneshoeller on April 26, 2010, 06:38:14 PM
Some x barbarae
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 26, 2010, 06:53:38 PM
Boy, oh boy, what a show everyone !! Sumptuous flowers !

My season is quietely nearing it's end...  :'( ..; but I have still some flowering to look out for  :D

1 & 2) Pleione asama
3) Pleione bulbocodioides
4) Pl. limprichtii
5) Pl. paricutin
6) Pl. stromboli 'Fireball'
7) Pl. volcanello 'Honey buzzard'
8) Pl. x barbarae
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on April 26, 2010, 08:05:06 PM
Hans - amazing different clones of x barbarae.  :o

4 plants from today:

P. Leda
P. Leda
P. Salek 'Eagle Owl'
P. formosana 'Snow Bunting'
K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on April 27, 2010, 09:12:13 PM
You all have such large collections and some amazing hybrids.
My collection continues at a very slow pace.

Only the second to flower is P. limpritchii

Graham
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on April 28, 2010, 08:53:53 AM
Hey Graham

That is a nice potfull. It has a verry natural feel with the moss covering the soil and the pot. Beauty!

About the large collections. It all starts little and there is always room for more when it comes to Pleione.  ;)

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on April 28, 2010, 07:27:29 PM
Hi Pieter,
Many thanks for your kind comments. The pot was was prepared in the Autumn of 2008 and the moss allowed to grow through the Autumn and Winter. The Pleione were inserted through the moss in the Spring of 2009 and grown on until their dormancy. They remained in place over the winter in a frost free place and this is the result this year.

I too, was in danger of collecting everything that I could get my hands on, but a few years ago I decided I didn't have the space so I now concentrate on species with the exception of P. 'Fuego'.

Graham
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on April 29, 2010, 04:01:28 PM
A few more,

P. formosana 'Lucy Diamond'
P. Orinoco Gemini
P. Askia 1
P. Askia 2
P. Taal Red Tailed Hawk
P. Tongariro
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 30, 2010, 03:16:30 PM
In flower today are a big one and a small one:

Marco Polo and Pleione hookeriana - this one's really early.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on April 30, 2010, 09:59:39 PM
First P. hookeriana today - I thought this was a great form, particularly wide lip and nice spots on the petals, which hopefully can be aomewhat appreciated in these pics.

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on April 30, 2010, 10:23:22 PM
Can anyone tell me what the geographic origins are of some of these compact clones of Pleione hookeriana? They are quite different from the ones I have seen in Nepal which have longer sepals and petals and a longer, less rounded lip. Would the above pictured plants be typical for the Chinese forms of this species?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 30, 2010, 10:31:03 PM
Hello Pascal,

just a guess but maybe the Pleione hookeriana you refer to are Pleione hookeriana var. sinensis (P. chunii)?
These do look quite different and could well be treated as separate species I think.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on April 30, 2010, 10:44:47 PM
Hi Thomas,

I am referring to the plants on the above pictures like yours but particularly the one from Alex. The petals and sepals seem so short in comparison to the size of the lip making it very "compact" flowers. The lip also seems open and doesn't form a tube first. Underneath an example of a Nepalese form
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 30, 2010, 11:02:50 PM
I see what you mean and the flowers in 'The Genus Pleione' look more like your flower with longer petals and sepals giving a rather star-like appearance. I guess that's because Pleione hookeriana is really widespread and therefore differs a bit in how the flowers look like.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on April 30, 2010, 11:18:43 PM
Thomas,

When I look at the pictures of chunii it looks closer to the Nepalese form than the ones from Alex and you. Usually species with a wide distribution show a trend from one extreme to the other and I was just curious to know if these compact forms are examples of the Eastern variation. By the way, if people want to see why this species indeed likes to grow in moss, at least the Nepalese form does grow like that.... ;) The picture was taken mid May and they were growing in a moss layer on a big Rhododendron arboreum. At the time of flowering the moss was only slighty damp.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on April 30, 2010, 11:29:55 PM
Afraid I don't know the origin of my clone, sorry. But thanks for the habitat photo, beautiful.

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on April 30, 2010, 11:35:35 PM
I too can't tell where my plants came from originally.

Maybe we'll see more Pleione hookeriana in flower will find intermediate forms and maybe even ones with a certain origin.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on April 30, 2010, 11:49:11 PM
Alex, on that Rhododendron the flowers were rather bleak with several all whites (except for the spots in the lip of course) but it was a great sight to see all of them popping out of the moss.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 01, 2010, 12:12:07 PM
Alex

Most Pleione hookeriana coming out of China are usually Pleione chunii and often mis labelled. I suspect your P. hookeriana is from West Bengal as that's where the main UK importer gets them from and the sending company collects hookeriana, humilis, maculata and praecox not far from where they are based in India.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on May 01, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
David,

I don't think the one from Alex comes from India. I am familiar with the forms of hookeriana from West Bengal but they are not much different from the ones on my picture from Helambu in C Nepal. To my knowledge P. maculata does not grow in West Bengal but further to the East towards Thailand. P. humilis is very rare in W Bengal and has been the subject of a large scale re-introduction schedule by the same nursery that exports to the UK. If you talk about the companies I think you are talking about I can assure you that none are collected from the wild. Pleione are one of the few genera closely guarded in West Bengal.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johnw on May 01, 2010, 01:07:54 PM
Great God what a huge Rhododendron arboreum!  :o :o :o

johnw
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 01, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
Pascal

As I am on speaking terms with the company manager in West Bengal, I'll send him an e-mail to ask what part of India the plants originate from but he has already told me in the past that P. humilis is wild collected under licence and therefore they still need CITES and PHYTO to export.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on May 01, 2010, 01:37:54 PM
Great God what a huge Rhododendron arboreum!  :o :o :o

johnw

John, in the more remote areas with smaller communities there is less need for fire wood. Particularly in the more touristic areas and better known trekking routes much of the Rhodo's have been cut down for firewood but in these places they can grow to maturity and can become very impressive. Fortunately the trend seems to be to bring kerosin burners on trekkings and more and more you can find "solar showers" heated by solar panels near lodges so there is less demand for firewood.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johnw on May 01, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
Pascal

It is sad the destruction of these magnificent arboreums and the like.  I often wonder if the solar cookers would work in these cloudy regions.

johnw
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on May 01, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
John,

Most treks are in April-May or October-November which usually means clear skies and at least part of the day sun, these panels don't need much sun hours to warm the water up. And the pre-monsoon rainshowers in May usually don't reach the higher valleys and only last for a couple of hours. Only during the true monsoon the clouds would prevent the water not warming up but the solar showers are primarily for tourists so only needed during trekking season, I have been there only once during full monsoon and it is rather hazardous and slippery. Plants are great but a nightmare for taking pictures or keep standing on 2 feet....

Pascal
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on May 01, 2010, 05:15:12 PM
Pascal

 P. humilis is wild collected under licence and therefore they still need CITES and PHYTO to export.

David

Do not orchids need phyto and CITES certificates to move anywhere, anytime, regardless of origin ?   ???
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 01, 2010, 07:11:19 PM
Pascal

 P. humilis is wild collected under licence and therefore they still need CITES and PHYTO to export.

David

Do not orchids need phyto and CITES certificates to move anywhere, anytime, regardless of origin ?   ???

I meant as opposed to been wild collected without a licence by someone who does not offer CITES and just smuggles plants, just did not word it very well.

From outside the EU, yes you need CITES for all orchids unless flasked but no you don't need certificates to move anywhere within the EU anytime.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pascal B on May 01, 2010, 07:16:31 PM
Maggi,

Correct, even re-locating plants in the same country is dealt with under Cites. But unfortunately theory and practice are not always the same in Asia. The term "nursery grown" in Cites often is translated to "taken from the wild, grown on in the nursery for 2 months" and voila: nursery grown. Plenty of threads in orchid fora on that subject. Cites documents also are sometimes fake.
But Cites is not the only proces regulating international traffic of plants. The Convention of Bio(-logical) Diversity is another instrument to control this and in my point of view a more effective method because it is not based on paper lists. All orchids are Cites but I can sum up plenty of orchids that don't need it and plenty of other families/genera that should be on that list. The Cites list is not always based on facts (see the recent story with the blue tuna that didn't make it on the list because of political reasons).

In order to collect in a country that recognises the CBD you have to have written permission from that country to collect within their boundaries, including seeds. China for instance recognises the CBD so any seed collected on a holiday there without a permit and taken to Europe strictly speaking is illegal. Plant protection starts in the country of origin and often fails already there. Different culture, different norms and values. But maybe this is not the thread to discuss that subject... ;)

Irrespective of the above, it could very well be the plants David is talking about are 100% legal, I can't say.

Pascal
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on May 01, 2010, 10:46:14 PM
Interesting - from what I understand, I think the form I showed is certainly P.hookeriana rather than P.chunii, but I'm not sure that helps very much with origin. FWIW, I can tell you it was bought from the Burnham orchids stand at the RHS London orchid show this year along with a nice form of P. grandiflora and a very big bulb of P. maculata - all nice.

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 01, 2010, 11:31:29 PM
Hi Alex

Yes yours is definitely P. hookeriana and a very nice one as well. I should have some coming in to flower this week, will be interested to see if there is any difference.

Hope not as I like yours.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 02, 2010, 09:22:06 AM
Hello

My hookeriana is just started to grow, so no flower yet. But there are others.

P. aurita 1
P. aurita 2
P. aurita 3
P. formosana Cairngorm
P. Berapi Purple Sandpiper
P. yunnanensis
P. x barbarae
P. Tongariro Jackdaw

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on May 02, 2010, 02:13:36 PM
Hi! Here they are some pleiones. There are 3 of them that i can't classify...

020[1]?
021[1]?
022[1]?
hookeriana white
berapi purple sandpiper
pleionoides
rakata shot silk
rakata shot silk2
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: sjusovare on May 02, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
x barbarae?
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: luis on May 02, 2010, 02:23:15 PM
They can be bulbocodioides?  ???
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 02, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
Rob

P. Glacier Peak is a grex.

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/orchiddetails.asp?ID=121420

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Graham Catlow on May 02, 2010, 05:07:22 PM
Here's another from me

Pleione grandiflora.

Graham
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Alex on May 02, 2010, 06:05:12 PM
Another form of Pleione coronaria.

Alex
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on May 02, 2010, 07:04:26 PM
Alex, that Pleione coronaria is absolutely gorgeous!  :o

Once more I see why I like the coronaria crosses so much - unfortunately there are only a few (and less are available) so far.

Thomas
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 03, 2010, 08:20:01 AM
Alex,

That is a verry beautiful coronaria. I find it is the best form I have seen so far. Most coronaria don't open the flowers in such a good way.


Rob,

Your unknown Chinese Pleione, could it be x barbarae? If have a similar looking form of x barbarae that I got from a German breeder who imported it from China.

Greetings.

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 03, 2010, 09:13:14 AM
Alex,
I'm joining everyone else : "That is one beautiful coronaria !!!!"  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 03, 2010, 03:45:41 PM
I tend to agree with Pieter Rob, the one you showed surely looks like xbarbarae..  ??? ???  Maybe Paul C. could confirm ??
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on May 03, 2010, 06:35:51 PM
Flowering today are Pleione formosana and one I received as bulbocodioides but I'm not sure about it's identity. Any other suggestions maybe?  :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 04, 2010, 12:27:05 PM
Hello Rob

Yes I meant the Pleione on the picture you already posted. x barbarae is a verry variable species and red does occur in the flowers. If you look at the picture of the x barbarae I posted you will see that the lip has red and purple/pink markings.
Maby you should post a picture of the other mistery Pleione as well. To compare the plants.
Paul Cumbleton will certainly be aible to give the correct name of your quistionmark Pleiones. 


Hello Thomas

I think it sure is related to bulbocodioides. Possibly a dark form of P. x taliensis?
It sure is a verry beautiful Pleione. I like the color and the shape. Nice!

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on May 04, 2010, 09:27:11 PM
chunii
Glacier Peak
Shantung

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on May 04, 2010, 09:31:10 PM
and a few more,

Vesuvius "Phoenix
Shantung - pink petal form
Any ideas anyone what this is? Appeared in a pot of Soufriere, I don't how or where it came from.
Whakari  - lip detail, (I put pollinia from a nice forrestii on this but unfortunately it hasn't taken.)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on May 04, 2010, 09:42:14 PM
Ueli Wackernagel
Stromboli "Fireball" lip.

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 05, 2010, 08:20:11 AM
Great display Pete !!
A very good whakari if you ask me !  :D
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 05, 2010, 11:44:51 AM
Hi Pete

Lovely colouring on the P. Whakari.

The unknown looks like P. formosana.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on May 05, 2010, 09:58:35 PM
Hi everybody.

Pete - nice close-up of lips ;D

Several plants from Prague:
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: arisaema on May 06, 2010, 08:17:56 PM
Could anyone tell me what this might be a (natural) hybrid of? It's Vietnamese, both flowers and pseudobulbs are fairly large. Sorry for the picture quality, I'll get better ones tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Paul Cumbleton on May 07, 2010, 12:52:08 PM
Hi Arisaema,
Almost certainly this is P. x barbarae (which is P. grandiflora x P. bulbocodioides)

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 07, 2010, 06:49:10 PM
Pleione Ganymede
Pleione x barbarae (Pale form)
Pleione Volcanello
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on May 07, 2010, 11:30:26 PM
Hi Rob,

Re. the white streaking on petals, I have had the same problem this year, particularly on Zeus Weinstein, Shantungs & formosana.
So at the Malvern show, I asked someone on the Butterfield stand, (not Ian - they had a superb display as usual) if it could be due to the cold winter we had.
I was told that it is unlikely to be due to any cold effect but possibly my feeding regime.
I was advised to use a full strength, high potash feed (such as Baby Bio or Tomorite) weekly as soon as the leaves are well formed.
I have always started with 1/2 strength high nitrogen monthly initially, changing to a balanced feed mid season & high potash from about July.
So if that is what Butterfields use to acheive their tremendous plants - so will I this season.

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: arisaema on May 08, 2010, 08:17:09 AM
Thank you for the identification, Paul!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: arisaema on May 09, 2010, 11:28:37 AM
Here's a better pic of the pale P. x barbarae, and some P. limprichtii :)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 09, 2010, 01:58:28 PM
Rob

Can you measure the Rakata and tell me how big it is. I have some xbarbarae that are also very big.

Pleione Alde Saran below
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Mark Griffiths on May 09, 2010, 09:02:19 PM
Some oldies from me;

P.soufriere

P. (el pico?) kestrel

P. el pico Goldcrest

P. Stromboli Fireball

P. vesuvius Phoenix


Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 09, 2010, 10:48:55 PM
Hi Rob

Good to hear the mystery Pleiones are no longer a mind teaser. I must say, that x barbarae from China looks very nice. Good shape and color.

I still have a mystery Pleione myself. I will try to post a picture tomorow. There is a chance it will also be a x barbarae. This would be verry strange if you know I have it for nine years now and bougth my first named x barbarae two years ago. ??? 

About flower size and the biggest Pleione flower? My largest Pleione flower was on a Shantung 'Ducat', it measured 12,7cm. My Rakata doensn't comes near this.


Hi David

Nice looking Alde Saran. Is this your own cross? I have an Alde Saran that will flower in a few day's time. I got it from Blankenburg in Germany. It would be nice tot compare these.

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 10, 2010, 09:42:11 AM
Hi Pieter

P. Alde Saran is from Gunter Blankenburg in Germany. I registered it for him last year with the RHS.

Please post a picture when yours flowers as I am interested to see how much variation there is in this cross.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: JPB on May 10, 2010, 11:30:22 AM
Three flowers on one pseudobulb of Pleione x barbarae. This clone was obtained from Paul Christian a few years ago.

I see many beautiful x barbarae's here and i wonder if they are (clonal) descendants of once wild-collected plants?
If not, they should be named other than x barbarae. Just to make a distinction between wild clones and artificial clones (Like in Pleione x lagenaria and Pleione x Confirmation).

Can somebody shed some light here???

Hans
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 10, 2010, 01:31:17 PM
Some are recently from China as mentioned in one or two of the posts and as usual are not true to name. Looking at Rob's picture, I think he thought he was getting P. aurita as that's what the label says. That's why there are always so many ID questions when they flower for the first time.

It gets even more confusing when there is mis-information on sites like Rareplants. It states for example that P. Christianii was done in cultivation and that's why there is a capital C and P. christianii with the small c is of wild origin.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on May 11, 2010, 03:06:20 PM
Several more from today:
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 11, 2010, 03:14:39 PM
Very nice series Karel !
The potful of x barbarae is a very good example of its diversity !!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on May 15, 2010, 10:05:14 PM

1) Re. Pleione size, what ever this is, it is large - 12cm across.
2) xbarbarae are my last to flower, this the 1st clone I have.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on May 15, 2010, 10:41:58 PM
I'd say the first one with large flowers is probably a 'Shantung'
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 16, 2010, 01:26:51 PM
Hello all

I finally found some time to get on the forum.

There are a few pictures of new flowering plants.

1) Alde Saran (Gunter Blankenberg)

David, if I compared it to yours I would say there is a serious difference within the grex. My form looks so well like a bulbocodioides that it is hard to imagine this is a cross with coronaria. Only the faint blur of the spots makes a difference. Would do you think?

2) limprichtii
This pleione came to me as a P. Quizapu. Apperently it is not.

3) x taliensis pale form?
This is a Pleione in my collections that fell victim to the blackbirds in my garden. A few years ago the birds thought it was a good idea to remove all the labels from my pots. Result: a lot of Pleione without a name. Most labels I was able to put back in the right pot but not all. This is the one that stayed behind. I only have two labels left: Piton and x taliensis. Since the flowers are so slender I don't think this is Piton but I am in doubt where as this is x taliensis. Any one with an idea?     


Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 16, 2010, 02:55:02 PM
Pieter

It will be interesting to see further differences in P. Alde Saran as more people acquire seed grown bulbs from Blankenburg/Bergel as it was a joint registration. Last year he was using a photo that I provided but as the bulbs he was selling are seed grown there is probably a lot of variation (only he knows). I do have 3 smaller bulbs and it will be interesting to see how they flower next year.

Number 3 could be a pale P. piton but looks more like P. xbarbarae than P. xtaliensis.

Number 2 could be P. limprichtii or P. bulbocodioides as they are very difficult to tell apart at times.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 16, 2010, 08:26:20 PM
David,

In the case of P. Alde Saran there will be a lot of variation. If you compare these flowers to the flower of Alde Saran on Gunter Blankenburg website, you wouldn't think it is from the same cross. I also have two bulbs but only one flowered this year. Hopefuly the other one will be more like the coronaria parent. I actually bougth this hoping it would look like the one on his website.  :-\

The other Pleiones, for as far as I can remember, the Piton I bought didn't look like this one. And I actually only bougth one x barbarae and that is the one in the picture in my previous post.  I am guessing there still are a lot of bulbs out there who are not what they say they are. So you are in for a surprise, could be bad but could also be better than expected.  ;)

Rob,

As for mutant Pleiones, I had a P. Volcanello this year without a lip. Just the petals, sepals and the column.


Greetings 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on May 17, 2010, 10:04:50 PM
P. coronaria and some next from today.
K.

Pln. coronaria
Pln. Ganymede
Pln. Jorullo
Pln. limprichtii
Pln. Shasta
Pln. Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'
Pln. x barbarae
Pln. yunnanensis
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Tomas on May 17, 2010, 10:57:03 PM
Karel, very nice Pln. coronaria...
T.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: johanneshoeller on May 19, 2010, 06:56:59 PM
P. yunnanensis
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 20, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
Hello Hans

That is a verry nice form of yunnanensis. I haven't seen many with such a great lip and with yellow.


Hello Karel

Great serries. Your Ganymede is the nicest form within this grex I have seen. I love that Shasta. Verry nice. To bad it is not common. I haven't found any nursery that has this in stock. Do you know where you originaly got it from?

Greetings

Pieter 
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 20, 2010, 02:55:22 PM
Pieter

P. Shasta originaly done by I.Butterfield in 1992.

P. Sajama (P. limprichtii x P. hookeriana) x P. aurita

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on May 20, 2010, 06:23:06 PM
Pieter,
I have Shasta from Ian, however Hi has only several plants and hasn't this hybrid in his common offer.
K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 20, 2010, 10:19:40 PM
David

If this Pleione is registered in 1992, you would think it is more common. ???
I find there are a lot of nice hybrids, even old ones, that are verry rarely seen. Is this beceause these are slow to multiply, not commercialy, ... ? 

Karel

Was this a recent purchase? Maybe I will ask Ian in october if he has one to spare. I contatced him last your for a few other rare beauty's (Edgecombe and Santa Maria) and he would look what he could do. So, fingers crossed. :)

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 21, 2010, 10:52:02 AM
David,

In the case of P. Alde Saran there will be a lot of variation. If you compare these flowers to the flower of Alde Saran on Gunter Blankenburg website, you wouldn't think it is from the same cross. I also have two bulbs but only one flowered this year. Hopefuly the other one will be more like the coronaria parent. I actually bougth this hoping it would look like the one on his website.  :-\


Pieter

The picture of P. Alde Saran on Gunters website is my picture from last year which he is using as well as many others on there.


Regards

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 21, 2010, 12:13:44 PM
David

The picture on Gunter's website, you are refering to the picture with the black background?
I meant the form of Alde Saran in the other picture. To my idea this is a smashing form: long stem, large open flower, good keels and nice coloration. 
Not that yours isn't good, verry nice as well. But when you compare the form I have to the one in that picture, they differ almost like night and day.
Do you think he will make this form in to a selection?   

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 21, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
Hi Pieter

I will ask Gunter when I return after the weekend about P. Alde Saran photo 1.

There are many Pleione crosses that are seldom seen as they do not grow that well. Paul Cumbleton sent me a list of cultivars which was up to 2002 and there are many on there that you seldom see for sale and some which probably do not exist anymore. Unfortunately the RHS Orchid registry only goes up until 2002 for all named cultivars which I can only assume is an oversight on their part but is also a pain.

Gunter Blankenburg registered several named cultivars of crosses allready made last year as his turned out to be quite different to the original cross. Unfortunately there does not seem to be any way of looking these up.

If anyone does know, please tell me.

Regards

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on May 24, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
Hans - very nice P. yunnanensis.

A few more from today:

P. f. 'Clare'
P. f. 'Lucy Diamond'
P. Jorullo
P. Mawenzi

P. Mawenzi is another my favorite  ;D
K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on May 25, 2010, 09:55:43 AM
Karel

That is an other nice selection of Pleione. You really have a long season of Pleione pleasure. As I can remember, your Pleione started early in the season and they are still goiing.  ;)  


David

Thanks in advance for asking.

Maybe this subject on the existence of Pleione hybrids is a little to much of a detour in the current topic so it would be better to make a new topic.
Below, the link to the new topic “Extinct or existing Pleione?”.

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5510.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5510.0)

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 26, 2010, 02:47:36 PM
Hookeriana out over the weekend. Not all flowering but seem to be growing well this year. Pleione chunii will soon be out as well and hopefully next year I'll have my first flowering cross of P. hookeriana x P. chunii.

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pete Clarke on May 27, 2010, 09:19:16 PM
My last pleiones to flower,

Erebus - nice small flower.
another xbarbarae. Another large flower - 120mm.
Not sure if the 3rd pic. is a Piton or barbarae. It has flowered in a pot of aurita and I suspect that this is another translocated bulb, courtesy of mice in the Winter.

Pete.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 28, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
Nice Erebus Pete. mine did not flower for me this year as the main shoot aborted. Must have got too cold but there are two new smaller shoots showing now.

There seem to be far more mice around this year as I've been catching at least five a week for the past two months.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 29, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
A few of my last this year

Pleione Kima (different clone to the last one)
Pleione Jorullo Locking Stumps
Pleione Vesuvious Leopard
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 30, 2010, 11:22:50 AM
Rob

I'd go along with the too cold theory which caused some damage. I've not had any deformed Pleione flowers but quite a few main shoots that failed produce and rotted off. Luckily all have been replaced with two knew smaller ones or in one case two large bulbils have grown from the top already.

David
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on May 30, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
Well this is probably one of the last bunch of Pleione to flower this year until P. saxicola later in the year.

Pleione chunii

Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on June 03, 2010, 11:56:59 AM
Hello

These are the last to flower here.

1) Pleione El Pico "Kestrel"
2) Pleione Kima (Blankenberg)

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on June 08, 2010, 09:55:09 PM
Pieter, very nice Kima.

Here are several plants from this week.

P. x barbarae
P. Mawenzi
P. limprichtii
P. pleionoides
and one of my seedpods.

K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Pieter on June 10, 2010, 10:49:02 AM
Thanks Karel, It is not the biggest flower but I like it.

Very nice Mawenzi you have. Both color and shape are stunning.

Greetings

Pieter
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: karel_t on June 21, 2010, 01:23:30 PM
The last spring flower.
See you in autumn.
K.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on June 21, 2010, 01:35:19 PM
The last spring flower.
See you in autumn.
K.
8) ;D have a good summer, Karel!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Sam on June 25, 2010, 12:59:41 PM
the last for this spring Pleione squopulorum


(http://images4.hiboox.com/images/2510/27e69bfe12184fa9a0fb83db5c5bca0b.jpg) (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/nature-decouverte/pleione-squopulorum-17,27e69bfe12184fa9a0fb83db5c5bca0b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: ThomasB on July 30, 2010, 06:25:26 PM
I'm not quite sure whether this is still right for 'Pleione Spring 2010' as summer has already begun some time ago.

Pleione Berapi 'Purple Sandpiper' did wait very long before it decided to flower this year. I got the bulb early this year from Ian Butterfield and potted it with most of the other bulbs which already flowered. This one just sat there and did not much so far. I guess it is the latest as Pleione saxicola as the earliest of the autumn-flowering ones might start in september.
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Slug Killer on July 31, 2010, 06:43:09 PM
That is late and any bulbs I had from IB flowered before my own collection as I think mine were kept colder over the winter.

I may have a P. saxicola in flower next week!!!!!
Title: Re: Pleione Spring 2010..... to July!
Post by: Maggi Young on July 31, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
Quote
I'm not quite sure whether this is still right for 'Pleione Spring 2010' as summer has already begun some time ago.

Well, quite! I've changed the thread title and any flowers from now on can go in a new thread!
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