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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Alex on February 13, 2010, 12:57:43 PM
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Have we got a thread for this already? Couldn't see one, so I've started this...here's a nice form of P. humilis today, which has particularly deep red markings.
Alex
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Alex - fantastic lip of P. humilis. I've never seen so painted humils so far. In Czech is still deep winter. Last night was -12°C >:(.
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Very nice start to 2010 Alex, I'm currently watching Pleione 'Orinoco' and Pleione 'Eiger' to see who will flower first with me, they are very close now, no doubt due to their humilis heritage.
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My first pleione to flower was Zeus w. desert sands, two days ago :). Your pleione is fantastic!
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A wonderful form of P. humilis Alex !!!
Very nice indeed ! :D
Depending on the weather (still quite cold here) I guess I'm still a couple of weeks away from my first flowers... :(
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Pl. forrestii is my first to flower. This one is recently acquired but my other forrestii's are not far behind and are well ahead of Eiger.
Do others find forrestii flowers early?
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Looking good Pete !!
I don't grow them at the moment... not by the lack of trying :'( :'(
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Pl. forrestii is my first to flower. This one is recently acquired but my other forrestii's are not far behind and are well ahead of Eiger.
Do others find forrestii flowers early?
Hi Pete
Mine are well behind yours and I guess it will be the end of Feb at the earliest before the first.
Humilis are behind with me too this year as I often have them starting around Xmas time and the first this year should be in about a week with my earliest hybrid Rakata "Rock Dove" not far behind.
Eric
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Hi Pete
Nice forrestii picture. Some of mine are a week away at least.
David
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Hi David. This was one you sent me & I have kept it in a cold unheated greenhouse. Strange how they behave in other people's hands.
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Hi Pete
Mine were in a dark cold garage until two days ago but everything is now in the greenhouse but I've put a paraffin heater on very low overnight just in case we get some frost. Need a larger greenhouse again now as every inch of space is used :)
David
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Lucky you !! ;D
Very nice blossoms 8)
Only Pleione forrestii has a bud right now, even Pleione humilis is still in dormancy; it's still cold at night (-10°C a few days ago) and snowy the day here.
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Never had any sudden deaths with Forrestii and all bulk up quite well for me producing nice good sized bulbils as well. Flowering them can be a little tricky with sudden temp/humidity changes at this time of the year. Never had any late flowering ones either and find Forrestii are always amongst the first to flower just after Humilis. Nice to see the bright yellow after a dull and grey winter in the greenhouse. This year my Humilis seem to be way behind with most not showing any life at all, yet!
I have noticed a big difference between my bulbs and the new arrivals I've had from Butterfields. I think mine are kept colder and for longer as his bulbs look more advanced than mine overall.
David
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I had the same problem as Rob with P. forrestii. After three years of slow increase I saw my bulbs just sitting their in the pot. Healthy looking FS-bulbs that didn't show any signs of live. They just went dead. Is there any explenation for this?
So it will not be forrestii to be the first to flower with me. At this moment Shantung 'Ducat' shows the most growth but it is still to much winter to really get goiing. Last night -2°C and a bit of snow.
Greetings
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Looks like I may flower forrestii for the first time this year, it aborted its flowers in 2009. It produced good pseudobulbs last year, but I always had the sense that it was looking for any excuse to stop growing! Maybe just me anthropomorphosising?
New to me and the winner by a day or two to the first to flower here is Pleione 'Eiger'
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Personnally, I've always had issues with Forrestii, they always abort their buds after a few weeks, except when they flower in my fridge (but they're not really watchable there :P).
I've never known whether it was because of humidity or temp change, but well...
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Personally, I've always had issues with Forrestii, they always abort their buds after a few weeks, except when they flower in my fridge (but they're not really watchable there :P).
I've never known whether it was because of humidity or temp change, but well...
Julien
I think that storing Forrestii in the fridge is adding to the problems of temperature change.
Trouble is that at some stage they have to be removed, causing the flower bud to abort. :'(
Left in the fridge I guess they are happy which is why yours are flowering. ;)
Once a newly acquired bulb has been grown for a season it should prove no problem getting it to flower. Mine are left in the greenhouse all year with no problem flowering them .
Eric
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Eric is right and forrestii need a long stable rest while dormant. I no longer keep any Pleione in the fridge after it froze one year and I lost everything in it (too full and it was working overtime). The sudden temperature change moving from the fridge will most certainly abort the flowers, same as moving them from a cold greenhouse or garage and putting them on the windowsill when it's still freezing outside.
Rob, never seen sudden death syndrome in newly imported forrestii or maculata which grow fine for me as well but need careful watering. All newly acquired bulbs, import or not may need to settle in for the first season, as do many plants. As long as they are healthy when you receive them, there should be no problem. Of course there are plenty of people that blame the bulbs rather than poor cultivation including watering too soon.
To be honest I find forrestii quite easy but they do like being crowded together and not left all alone in a pot. Not had a single one die on me yet and nearly all flower, fingers crossed.
Few pictures from last year.
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thing is : my greenhouse is not frost free, and on the chapter of temperature changes, it goes from -10 (last night) to +25 by a sunny day.. so not a really good place either
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Fingers crossed my paraffin heater is still going or my greenhouse will not be frost free either! Not -10 though. Would have liked another couple of weeks before potting all the Pleione up but they would not wait.
I think your only solution is a fridge with a glass window :-\ With those temperature extrems I'm not surprised you have trouble with forrestii or any other Pleione.
One forrestii has had a very short cold spell in the garage until Christmas and was then taken to a bedroom windowsill. I'm trying to see if it will still flower by giving it a short cold spell but warmth before the bud was even showing as not to give it any shock treatment when in growth. I'll update when I know more.
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I've found storage in shotgun boxes filled with sawdust which are then kept in an east facing room, with temperature variations from +2c to +8c works quite well. Given limited storage room where temperatures can be maintaned above ambient temps as low as -25c, it's my only option for maintaining a collection.
A warm spell in January seemd to trigger forrestii early, it has been out of it's box since January 20th. By the looks of things the most advanced flower bud will abort whilst the remaining two are developing steadily.
I wonder with the discussion about suddden death syndrome hints at issues with provenance and phenotype. I am guessing that forrestii material is less likely to be clonal, so maybe some growers simply have plants that are better suited to cultivation and all that entails?
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One of my first Pleiones, an interesting forrestii. Sometimes I have problems with forrestii, too. I think they need cooler conditions and a not too long growing season.
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Very nice form of forrestii. Smashing lip colour. Can these alba and semi-alba forms of forrestii be cultivated in the same way a the yellow forms?
Greetings
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Wow Hans !
I remember you showed a semi-alba forrestii a couple of years ago and I'm still as much in love with it as back then ! It's a great Pleione !!!
Interesting discussion about growing forrestii.
I for one do have problems with them, but probably this is due to the way I (have to) grow them.
All my Pleione spend their Winter and early spirng (until early or mid may) in my frostfree Veranda, where it will be +2°C during the coldest nights, but where temperature rises quickly to 20-25 °C on a sunny winter- or early spring day. I guess these huge temperature changes are the cause for it that I have more aborting buds than average (not only with forrestii), but I've learned to live with that situations.
The whole collection spends the summer outside in the shade.
However, in my opinion, I've lost forrestii after Summers where we had some really hot spells with temperatures of 30-35 °C - they simply seem to hate that.
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Hans - very nice semi-alba form of forrestii :o.
Last year I discused the problem about height difference between daily and night temperature with Ian Butterfield. We've agreed the difference between day and night temperature during flowering and but developing time should be max. 8 or 10°C. If it's higher = there is a big risk of the bud abort. Ian keep the optimum temperature difference by automatic heating and thermostatic windows.
Rob - I thing there is nothing as the "sudden death syndrome". I've found all problems are from temperature instability of small greenhouses.
Karel
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2nd to flower here, Pleione 'Orinoco' with a rapidly developing root system, hoping for some good increase!
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Looking good Chris !!
Your windowsil is doing a good job ! ;D
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Cheers Luc, I had been hoping their dormancy might last a bit longer as there is at least another month to go before I risk putting them outside, and there is only so much windowsil space!
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Hi
What temperature and where are you storing your Pleione over winter? I have a greenhouse full and none are near flowering yet and most are not even showing buds. I would not expect my Orinoco to flower for at least another month.
David
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Hi David,
When I lived in Lincolnshire I followed pretty much the storage model I suspect you will be following.
I moved to Bulgaria 3 years ago, once Bulgaria joined the EU the pleiones joined me after a brief stay with my folks in Telford.
The first year here they flowered well and I grew them in a standard bark mix I used in the UK, by the end of that year I had a large nuber of deaths and nearly all my plants shrank to FS1 or FS2 size. My problem was summer here can be 43c and the pleiones just dried out between their am and pm waterings, resolved by growing all of them in an 80% moss, 10% bark,10% perlite mix in full shade. Come the winter they could not stay away from an artificial heat souce given winter temps down to -25c.
We built an east facing upstairs plant room which is unheated,but open to the main house and in winter is maintaned at 7c to 10c 1m above ground level, at ground level 3c to 5c. From dormancy in mid October to early November the Pleiones are cleaned and stored in the sawdust I make from cutting the winter wood supply. Essentially a collection of 1000 bulbs must be stored in boxes and sit on the floor.
Because of some unusually warm weather this January ( 12 to 16c for 2 weeks) I checked 'Britannia Doreen' ( my first to flower last year ) to find she was in full growth. I checked more and discovered that most hybrids with any humilis in them had gone into growth, plus 'Doreen' and forrestii. This was 2 or 3 weeks ago, to date I have had to remove 40 cultivars from their boxes. Flowering in the nest two to three weeks will be 'San Salvidor', 'Santorini', 'Tolima' and Shantung 'Silver Anniversary'. Some cultivars are new to me this year, some are old friends!
They have gone into growth earlier than last year, maybe only by two weeks. The growing season for pleiones here is in effect 7 to 8 months.
Sorry for the length of this post, but to an extent you may see that I had to 're-learn' Pleione culture to fit the seasons here as there was no way I could replicate the cultural conditions I had been used to from 10 years of Pleione growing in the UK!
All good fun!! ;)
Chris
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Hi Chris
Thanks for the detailed post, it explains everything. Interesting about the different mix you are now using and confirms my theory about water retention in moss as apposed to perlite and bark. I don't use much moss myself but I water on a regular basis.
You could have left all your Pleione with me in Priorslee (Telford) ;) although I don't think I'd fit in another 100 bulbs in let alone a 1000 at the moment.
David
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David,
There's never enough room, and yet............. ;)
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David,
There's never enough room, and yet............. ;)
Very true, it's an addiction.
David
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my H.'Orinoco' dont start yet but here the first H.forrestii in flower
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Looking very happy Chris !
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Very nice indeed Chris!
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my H.'Orinoco' dont start yet but here the first H.forrestii in flower
Hi Chris.
Very nice lip to this.
Hope you don"t mind me commenting on this plant as I see it. :-[
I am a little concerned as to the markings on some of the petals and also what I can see of the bulb, as it looks rather infected with disease.
I wonder if this is a recent import, or perhaps as can often happen with forrestii grown in moss, grown rather wet last year ?
Eric
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you're right Eric, I kept my Pleiones under the tablets and just on that pot there was water dripping and I saw it too late, the other bulbs looking ok,
here H.'Eiger',
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you're right Eric, I kept my Pleiones under the tablets and just on that pot there was water dripping and I saw it too late, the other bulbs looking ok,
here H.'Eiger',
Hi Chris
Your Eiger is looking good.
I have had similar problems with infected Forrestii bulbs on occasions as I usually grow these in a near 100% moss compost .I do find they grow better like this, but overwatering is always a possible hazard.
Eric
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Any one knows if pleione ada is a species , or one variety or hibrid? Thank's ???
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The pictures I've seen looked like a form of grandiflora to me, but who knows...
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Any one knows if pleione ada is a species , or one variety or hibrid? Thank's ???
Hi Lius
My opinion of the bulbs recently sold on ebay as ADA are that they are a nice form of x Barbarae rather than Grandiflora if the photo shown is the same as the bulbs that were supplied. It is well known that plants sent out from China are not always as described.
Eric
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Ok thank's, i was asking because i never read nothing about this supposed species... i didn't buy it so we will never know. ;)
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Next to flower here, Pleione 'Tolima'
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Ok, here's the first to flower here this year.
Pleione Leda
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Yet another forrestii - but I love this species.
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Very late flowering this year :o :o :o
Two clones of Barcena.
Eric
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Very late indeed - nothing open here yet... still a few days to go !
Good to see at least some are getting started !!i :D
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Hi, here they are my first pleiones of the year. I think they are pleionoides , formosana snow cap and rakata shot silk. Enjoy! ;)
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Here they are...
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one more...
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And here's a nice form of Pln pleionoïdes
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Yes, this one is fantastic! :)
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I get so jealous when I see all these nice Pleione pictures.
I had a formosana that flowered for me a few years ago, with no special treatment. I did not have the plant for a few years, but have it back with me again. It is growing well and has about 8 bulbs and a few new small bulbs as well and only hope that it is going to flower soon for me.
As far as I know Pleiones are a bit scarce in our country, but I just love them and would like to get a few more plants. I would appreciate it if someone could tell me where I can find some plants from someone who is prepared to export to us.
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I see from your profile that you are in South Africa, Faan.... I hope some of our Forumists may be able to assist you with some suppliers of pleiones to your country...
Welcome to the Forum!
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Faan - Welcome in Pleione family ;D
Where are you from?
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Faan - Welcome in Pleione family ;D
Where are you from?
Where the soccer world cup is going to take place soon and in particular the beautiful Cape Town.
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I get so jealous when I see all these nice Pleione pictures.
It has barely started Faan !! ;D ;)
You will suffer a lot more in the following weeks... ;D ;)
Welcome to the Forum !!
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I get so jealous when I see all these nice Pleione pictures.
It has barely started Faan !! ;D ;)
You will suffer a lot more in the following weeks... ;D ;)
Welcome to the Forum !!
Thanks very much for the welcoming words.
At our orchid society we decided a few months ago that we would have a ten minute presentation at our monthly meetings. We try to talk about something which not everybody grows. In this process we all learn.
I gave a presentation on Lycastes a few months ago and my wife did one on Brassia on Tuesday night and then even before joining this forum I offered to do a small talk on Pleiones at our meeting in May. I am now so glad that I came across this forum where I will get lots of information to use.
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hello and welcome Faan
Here's Pleione Novarupta 'Raven'
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Very nice Julien !!!
Excellent Pleione !
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Bravo Julien, very attractive cultivar indeed.
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Yes, very very nice! :) It's the first time i see it.
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Julien, your Pleione is very striking - great photos :)
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It's a clone from Ian Butterfield, I was the 1st surprised by it's 'lavand' colour as the ones I previously saw were more pinkish
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Also from Ian Butterfield;
Pleione shantung 'Silver Anniversary' and Pleione 'Santorini'
These both just avoided aborting their flowers after temperatures dropped back to -10c outside here. Knock on effect indoors was an average temp drop of +5c from +15c to +10c. Pleione forrestii and Pleione 'San Salvador' stalled and aborted their flowers during this cool temp dip!
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Chris - Very nice 'Silver Anniversary' ;)
Here in Czech is still a deep winter with a new snow cower every day.
My first flower will be P. forrestii - after one week (... I guess ???).
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My first hybrid to flower, but only just as many are not far away . :)
Hekla Locking Stumps is unusuall in that the emerging leaves are purple although the colour does fade as the leaves grow.
Eric
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and now, Pleione Marion Johnson
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Very nice cultivars Eric and Julien,
Fowering here today Pleione Leda and Pleione Hekla 'Partridge' ( imaged below )
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The ball seems to be rolling !! ;D ;D
Thanks everyone - hope to post my first one tonight or tomorrow..
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Great stuff Luc, a true Pleione fest soon then!! :D
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Don't overestimate me Chris... ;D ;D ... you might be disapointed... ;D :-\
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Hey Luc, how can a healthy Pleione ever disappoint? ;) :D
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Hi everybody,
I see that you here displaying photos the first flowers of Pleione in this year
So, I want to show too ;D
Ok, here's the first to flower here this year
Pleione formosana alba 'Clare'
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4376314124_db2f55df56_m.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ramsis/4376314124/
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Welcome Ramsis, thanks for your photo which I hope will be first of many. ;)
Eric
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Hi, Ramsis, good to know the pleione season is starting in Lithuania also.... 8)
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Welcome Ramsis, thanks for your photo which I hope will be first of many. ;)
Eric
I hope too …
but everything happens with Pleione, lose all the buds and the end... >:(
Hi, Ramsis, good to know the pleione season is starting in Lithuania also.... 8)
Lithuania still winter
-12 at night, but the first flowers have appeared :)
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Welcome to the forum Ramsis !
A nice pot to start with !
Here's at last, my first two flowers :
1) Pl. hekla "Locking Stumps" - always looking a bit sad, hanging down like it does... ;D
2) Pl. eiger "To Ah" - the recross of eiger, made by the late Jan Berg.
More to follow in the next days !! :D :D
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Ramsis, welcome also, fine looking pot of 'Clare'.
Luc, those are two beauties,I love the Eiger hybrids, was well worth the wait! :D
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Pln Keith Rattray 'Kelty' (my cam can't seem to catch the colours on that one though...)
and Pln Quizapu 'Peregrine'
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And from me Riah Shan
Eiger "Turtle Dove"
And Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" still flowering after over four months. :o
Eric
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Hi Ramsis. Nice to have you on the Pleione addicts site. The more the merrier.
Katla - an old hybrid now, the first I obtained many years ago.
Eiger, my creamy white form.
Pete.
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Congratulations Pete, both are lovely - nothing wrong with an old hybrid 8)
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Eric Locke your Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" is amazing
I love bright lips :)
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hello everybody
i'm new here, i'm french(north of France), i grow orchid and love plant in general
here the first Pleione in flower this year:
Pleione forrestii and Eiger
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Welcome to the forum Sam and thanks for posting.
Lot"s more Pleione to enjoy over the coming weeks.
Eric
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Hello Sam, welcome to the Forum!
Nice pleiones.
We just had another new French member, JP, in Normandy, (see here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5090.msg142243#new )
saying that there do not seem to be many French snowdrop specialists.... do you grow them?!!
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Lovely flowers Pete and Sam, nothing wrong with the early cultivars Pete, history is rarely so pretty!! ;)
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Looking forward to more of your Pleiones Luc, an exciting time :)
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Hello Sam, welcome to the Forum!
Nice pleiones.
We just had another new French member, JP, in Normandy, (see here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5090.msg142243#new )
saying that there do not seem to be many French snowdrop specialists.... do you grow them?!!
i grow "normal" Galanthus in my garden but i'm not a specialist
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I like the cream Eiger Pete ! Lovely !
Welcome to the Forum Sam ! Great start !
I think I see you' re using a system to tie the flowers up somewhat... :) haven't seen that on Pleione before !
Hope you'll be showing lots more !
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After recent discussions on this forum about problems with Pleione forrestii, I thought this picture may be of interest. I've not gone for any arty quality pictures but just to show how many in flower. This is just one of my trays and this year I am getting 99% flower success. 50% of shoots had double flowers but I cut the extra off as I think it ruins the overall flower image and puts extra strain on the bulb.
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Ok Dave.... what are you trying to do to us poor mortal Pleione growers ??? :-\ ;D ;D ;D
A tremendous looking tray !! :o
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No bulb of forrestii have flowerd to me... :'( i don't know why because they have the same conditions of the other pleione bulbs.
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Dave, how does this compare to previous years, any cultural insights welcomed I suspect!
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The only difference this year is they had a far longer and colder dormant period over the winter boxed in the garage (like many in the UK I should imagine). Last year my forrestii started staggered flowering four weeks earlier but all seem to have started the same time this year. They are in the greenhouse but never in direct sunlight and well ventilated during the day. Far more have double shoots this year as well.
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Cheers Dave, confirms my approach for next year, I've had staggred flowering attempts but only the final forrestii has made it into flower, the first tried it in January, the second in February, each aborted their flower when the night temps dropped below +10c.I think I will store them in the fridge this autumn/winter and take them out the start of March.
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Just make sure you have a reliable fridge and don't ram it full of stuff over the Christmas period. I kept some in the bottom of the fridge a couple of years ago and when full at Christmas the bottom froze as the machine was working overtime. Killed about 25 bulbs, they came out all soft and going black. :-[
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Fair warning, cheers Dave, no room for food, full of seed! ;D
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Eric, your Warfdale is beautiful, i put it on my wish list
Hello Luc, we are neighbor (i live 60 Km from Harelbeke)
I think I see you' re using a system to tie the flowers up somewhat... :) haven't seen that on Pleione before !
Hope you'll be showing lots more !
the flowers are more visible like that and the bulbs don't move(to prevent broken roots...)
i've about twenty Pleiones to bloom
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Not the most spectacular hybrid but kind of cute thanks to hookeriana;
Pleione Captain Hook
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One could get hooked to Cpt Hook, Chris !
A nice Pleione, spectacular or not !
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LOL, indeed Luc, I'd been wondering about it's name, most obvious I guess Hook from hookeriana, but I wondered if the curved leaf was reminiscent of Captain Hook from Peter Pan. Sure somebody must know.....answers on the back of a postcard,BP badge for the winner!!
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Eric, your Warfdale is beautiful, i put it on my wish list
Hello Luc, we are neighbor (i live 60 Km from Harelbeke)
I think I see you' re using a system to tie the flowers up somewhat... :) haven't seen that on Pleione before !
Hope you'll be showing lots more !
the flowers are more visible like that and the bulbs don't move(to prevent broken roots...)
i've about twenty Pleiones to bloom
Sam -
Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" is indeed a fine hybrid that should be in everyones collection. An easy, reliable clone that makes huge bulbs and multiplies quickly . Major point with Pine Warbler is it"s very long flowering period which starts in November and this year is still going strong mid March. No other Pleione to my knowledge gets even close.
Eric
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Eric, by this very long flowering period, do you mean that individual flowers last a long time or that bulbs of this variety open their flowers over a long period, rather than all at once.... ???
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Sam -
Wharfedale "Pine Warbler" is indeed a fine hybrid that should be in everyones collection. An easy, reliable clone that makes huge bulbs and multiplies quickly . Major point with Pine Warbler is it"s very long flowering period which starts in November and this year is still going strong mid March. No other Pleione to my knowledge gets even close.
Eric
Now i'm sure that i want this pleione !
this fall you will perhaps have a bulb for me ?
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A nice couple of Pleione forrestii.
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Very nice Dave !!
Sam,
On est à côté !!! :D :D
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beautiful forrestii Dave
Luc,
j'habite entre Lille et Dunkerque, près de Poperinge
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Eric, by this very long flowering period, do you mean that individual flowers last a long time or that bulbs of this variety open their flowers over a long period, rather than all at once.... ???
Maggi ,individual flowers do last a very long time but I did really mean that a panfull of bulbs flowers over many months.
Eric
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Thanks, Eric, that makes it clearer for anyone as confused as I am! 8)
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A nice couple of Pleione forrestii.
Nice David. My Forrestii are very slow this year and even grandiflora will flower before them this year. :o
Eric
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Two more that opened yesterday :
1) Pleione bromo - new for me - the picture doesn't do it fully justice :( - the pink of the petals and the yellow of the throat is much more pronounced in reality !
2) Pleione eiger "To be" - from the same seedpod as "To ah" posted a few days ago.
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Both are nice Luc.
Your Leda can"t be far behind . ;)
Eric
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They're not Eric.. but I'm saving them up until I have all 4 of them to show in one post for comparison... :D
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They're not Eric.. but I'm saving them up until I have all 4 of them to show in one post for comparison... :D
Hope you selected well from the tray full. ;)
Eric
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Wait and see Eric... ;D
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First flower of Pleione yunnanensis
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Nice photo and very early flowering too, as mine are not even showing yet. :'(
Eric
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Luc and Ramsis have very beautiful pleiones !
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Nice David. My Forrestii are very slow this year and even grandiflora will flower before them this year. :o
Eric
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Eric
Most of my Pleione are not showing any signs yet. Grandiflora and yunnanensis have done nothing at all. They did have a very long dormant period and were left quite late before potting back up. The new arrivals I had from Ian Butterfield are much more advanced and I can only assume he keeps them warmer than me over winter.
I'm sure they will all catch up but its frustrating seeing everyone else's when I only have forrestii in flower so far :(.
Your Riah Shan is on my want list, tried to get it this year but they had sold out.
David
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A nice P. grandiflora I bought yesterday at the RHS London Orchid Show.
Alex
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Nice David. My Forrestii are very slow this year and even grandiflora will flower before them this year. :o
Eric
Eric
Most of my Pleione are not showing any signs yet. Grandiflora and yunnanensis have done nothing at all. They did have a very long dormant period and were left quite late before potting back up. The new arrivals I had from Ian Butterfield are much more advanced and I can only assume he keeps them warmer than me over winter.
I'm sure they will all catch up but its frustrating seeing everyone Else's when i only have forrestii in flower so far :(.
Your Riah Shan is on my want list, tried to get it this year but they had sold out.
David
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David I could be wrong but I was told that Wubben are no longer selling Riah Shan.
More have opened for me over the past couple of days and even some before I have got round to potting them. Will post when I sort out the photos I took earlier today.
Eric
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A nice P. grandiflora I bought yesterday at the RHS London Orchid Show.
Alex
Alex, I was wondering what the RHS show was like this year and if many Pleiones were on sale.
Eric
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As promised some Pleione that have opened in the past couple of days.
First clones of Leda
Rakata "Rock Dove"
Zeus Weinstein
Eric
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Hello Eric,
amazing to see how variable Leda is, yours are totally different from the one I have
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Julien
This cross has produced a very large amount of very nice clones and Kath Faihurst certainly hit the Jackpot with this one. ::) ::) ::)
Eric
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Hi Eric,
The show was pretty good for Pleiones, Heritage orchids are there with some nice ones (mainly hybrids) and several of the tropical growers sell a few Pleiones on the side. The best of these was Burnham orchids, which had good bulbs of most of the species including the P. grandiflora above and some rather massive maculata and healthy-looking hookeriana which I found hard to resist...
Alex
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Hi Alex
Good to hear there were a few pleione on sale this year.
Usually only KJ and Wubben selling any here.
Eric
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Pleione Bromo is very attractive Luc, a worthy addition to your collection!!
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A few more have emerged today.
Pleione forrestii alba, Pleione Vesuvius, Pleione Eiger
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Wowww! Forrestii alba is so so special, congrattulations... i'd love to have it! :P
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Wow !
Great show everyone !!
Dave, P. forrestii alba is spectacular.... !!! This eiger clone is also very attractive !
Lovely leda forms Eric !!
I'll be hopefully showing mine tomorrow night.
Thanks for the pix from the RHS orchid show Rob !
I visited the Kent AGS show yesterday - only one Pleione on display :'( - but is was a nice potful ! :D - thought I'd show it here :
Pleione bandai san
(sorry, I've not taken note of the name of the grower)
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Dave, P. forrestii alba is very nice. :)
My Pleione Shantung
only one I do not understand why blooming only one bulb, while others lost their buds... >:(
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A Lovely Alba form of Forrestii David.
I am sure we would all love one of these. :P
Do you find cultivation of these similar to the more normal yellow clones. ?
Eric
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Hi
This is the first year I've had Pln.forrestii alba in my collection after persuading someone to do a swap. I thought it was an FS-1 bulb as it was a bit smaller but had a nice surprise when it flowered. It is also a smaller flower than the regular yellow form. I'll take a picture of them both together a little later today and update this post. I'm very please with it myself as I like the markings, some 'alba' forrestii don't look as nice.
Picture update as promised.
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Dave, P. forrestii alba is very nice. :)
My Pleione Shantung
only one I do not understand why blooming only one bulb, while others lost their buds... >:(
Ramsis,
If you go through the forum you will find lots of earlier discussions about suddenly "aborting" Pleione buds - you will also see that nobody has a conclusive reason for this happening (too dry, too wet, too hot, too cold... etc...).
Better luck next time !!
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here some Pleione flowers from me :
Pleione 'Rakata'
I know this is not something special ....but I'm glad :D
...and thanks the good informations of this forum every year more flowers
Hans
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Looking good Hans !!!
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Thanks Luc :D
...thats beginners luck !
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Hans, watching from the sidelines I only wonder at the skill required to grow Pleiones; so your pot full of Pleione 'Rakata' looks amazing to me 8)
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Thanks Luc :D
...thats beginners luck !
Yeah... yeah... They all say that Hans ! ::) 8)
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Here's some more flowering at the moment !
I bought 4 Pleione Leda this Winter - hoping to get some variation - here they are - numbered from 1 to 4.
I'm very happy with the yellow one, who even produced a double flower.
Eric, if I remember correctly, you posted one very similar last season - also with a double flower ??
Also flowering - Pl. formosana alba "Polar sun"
And last, Pl. bromo - I already posted a picture of bromo earlier on, but I wasn't happy with the colours. This picture does more justice to the subtle colours !
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Hi Luc
Looks as though you selected well with your Leda.
No1 looks very similar to the one I posted earlier and the yellow very much like you mentioned as one I posted last year .This clone seems to always have double flowers and also multiplies well.
If you purchase four more next year the chances are that they will all be different again due to the wide variation of this suberb hybrid.
First of the Tongariro clones that opened today.
Eric
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If you purchase four more next year the chances are that they will all be different again due to the wide variation of this suberb hybrid.
Eric
I may go for 4 Krakatoa next year Eric .. ::) :P
Excellent strong coloured tongariro by the way !
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If you purchase four more next year the chances are that they will all be different again due to the wide variation of this suberb hybrid.
Eric
I may go for 4 Krakatoa next year Eric .. ::) :P
Excellent strong coloured tongariro by the way !
Luc
I purchased several Krakatoa this year as well as a few more Leda ;)
Eric
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A little late, but here's P. humilis 'Bigu Gomba'. I aquired this clone from Koos Wubben and he got it from the late Jan Berg.
The pseudobulb is not "flask-shaped" and last year it did not produce the normal bunch of bulbils on top, but instead only two rather large ones (4mm diameter). Is this really a P. humilis?
Bigu Gomba (as Bigu Gompa) is a locality somewhere in the mountains of Central Nepal, as far as I could reconstruct.
More information on this particular clone is very welcome!
HAns
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Very interesting Hans !
Would you have a good front view picture ??
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Inside lip looks like a true P. humilis. I don't see any "Leda" in it ???
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Looking good Rob !
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Hi Rob
I have grown Pleiones for some years now (first ones in the early 1970's) and have tried them in various locations. Presently mine spend winter and spring in a greenhouse, under the staging except when they are actually in flower when they are elevated to the staging for a couple of weeks. The greenhouse is oriented north - south and they live on the west side so get a fair amount of spring sunshine. They move outside in May to a shady spot and return in the autumn. They seem to do fine with this level of light.
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Greetings, erekose, good to have you join us!
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Rob - nice Eiger 'Snowflake' it is rare to see this clone.
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Rob - nice Eiger 'Snowflake' it is rare to see this clone.
Hi Karel
Although Eiger "Snowflake" is not in Ian Butterfields catalogue he always has some for sale, just ask.
Eric
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Hi Eric,
I'm going to visit Ian next month, so I ask him. Thanks for advice.
Karel.
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A little late, but here's P. humilis 'Bigu Gomba'. I aquired this clone from Koos Wubben and he got it from the late Jan Berg.
The pseudobulb is not "flask-shaped" and last year it did not produce the normal bunch of bulbils on top, but instead only two rather large ones (4mm diameter). Is this really a P. humilis?
Bigu Gomba (as Bigu Gompa) is a locality somewhere in the mountains of Central Nepal, as far as I could reconstruct.
More information on this particular clone is very welcome!
HAns
Hi Hans
I have previously grown this clone before also and also understand it originated from Jan Berg.
Mine also came from Wubben which was near to Jan"s home and he passed on several of his Pleione to this nursery. I found this clone grew well for me for a couple of years before suddenly dying without ever producing bulbils as you mentioned ,or without increasing . This had nice red markings in the lip but I found it no better than many others . I find Humilis can either have very flask-shaped bulbs with a long neck or the very oval shaped bulbs of this clone ,but both are common.
Eric
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Latest to flower is a Grandiflora with creamy petals and a nice yellow lip.
I will save some pollen from this one to use later. ;)
Eric
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Luc,
your Bromo is beautiful, your 4th Leda is the one i prefer
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First Krakatoa clone this year
Another clone of Leda
Another clone of Zeus Weinstein
Eric
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looking very goog Eric, nice orange Leda ::)
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The P. humilis 'Bigu Gomba' has fully opened now. Thanks Eric for the info on this particular clone. BTW it has a purple-ish color on the back ???
Next two clones (?) of P. forrestii from KoolPlants. The second one is fragrant, the first one not...
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All looking good Hans !! :D
Lovely Krakatoa Eric !!! ... and the Leda looks fabulous too ! Super !
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Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
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Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
Thanks! This lady is 62 years old 8)...Can you ask Ian to send me his email address, I'll send him some photographs..
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Will do Hans.... we thought she was a vintage! very nice!
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P. shantung "Pink panther" is very attractive Rob - I hadn't seen it before.
Here are two more that are flowering with me - my Whakari is a quite different colour !!
1) Pleione whakari - I'm very happy with this one !! :D
2) Pleione speciosa - now P. pleionoïdes I guess.
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my forrestii lasted about 4 days! :( didnt even get a chance to take a photo haha
like everyone elses mine was early this year, normaly forrestii blooms much later for me.
Rob, my forrestii are later flowering than normal and the first is still in flower now. Normally from 25th February onwards.
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Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
Thanks! This lady is 62 years old 8)...Can you ask Ian to send me his email address, I'll send him some photographs..
I've sent you a PM about the guitar as well.
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Great guitar, Hans...... Ian says can you send him a larger phot, he's so nosey!
Thanks! This lady is 62 years old 8)...Can you ask Ian to send me his email address, I'll send him some photographs..
I've sent you a PM about the guitar as well.
Ha Ha! Quite a lot of musical plantsmen around here, huh?!! :)
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nice species Hans ;)
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Rob "Pink Panther" is a good vigorous selection that multiplies well.
Luc another fine Whakari . These do vary greatly.
Two clones from Paul Cumbleton"s unnamed cross of Hekla "Partridge" x Zeus Weinstein
Eric
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Nice plants Eric :)
Another Paul's good work! :o
Karel.
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I'm glad you like my Shantung 'Pink Panther'. It was bred by a friend and given to me in its entirety because he didn't like the colouring, thought it was too girlie. I named it Pink Panther because I'd just seen a Peter Sellers movie. ;D ;D.
It makes quite a strong plant but I have to grow it for a few more years before I sell any more. There are only about 10 in circulation now.
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I'm glad you like my Shantung 'Pink Panther'. It was bred by a friend and given to me in its entirety because he didn't like the colouring, thought it was too girlie. I named it Pink Panther because I'd just seen a Peter Sellers movie. ;D ;D.
It makes quite a strong plant but I have to grow it for a few more years before I sell any more. There are only about 10 in circulation now.
Now that's rare, isn't it? And you can't twin scale a pleione!! (Thinking about all the hoo-haa inthe Galanthus pages about rare 'drops!!)
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No Pleione, but a similar orchid (near Calyso). Very difficult to cultivate!
My first pics - but not the best for details.
Hans
Changnienia amoena
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Hi johannesholler, that's a very nice Changnienia amoena. I have one too but mine is not flowering yet. yours is very nice! ;)
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Hans, what an interesting orchid! Is it something like Calypso bulbosa as you mention "Calyso"?
Are these plants available for culture?
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Very nice Hans, I have never heard of Changnienia. Looks somewhat Pleione like in shape. Can you tell us anymore about it - where does it come from?
More Pleiones opening each week here in Brum;
forrestii var. Viet-nam. A nice pale yellow, scented form obtained this year. (Koolplants.)
Eiger - not as nice as many already shown.
formosana "Cairngorm" - a reliable performer.
limprichtii.
Pete.
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This Pleione
forrestiix shantung won top prize at today's Royal Caledonian Horticultural Society 2010 spring show in Edinburgh.
Grower is Tom Mabbott.
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FrazerHenderson - Nice overcrowded pan of Shantung :o
In Prague has started the flowering season!
Here the first of P. forrestii and next will follow during a short time.
Karel
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Some informations about Changnienia amoema:
It is a Chinese orchid and looks like Calypso bulbosa. I grow them in common with my Pleiones for 5 years (this year the first flowers). The plant has leaves between autumn and spring, flowering in winter/early spring (here in Europe) and dormant in summer, but need wet conditions in summer. I use Pleione substrate with more Sphagnum. They have started to flower after I covered them with snow. In winter I kept them a little wet and cold (near 0°C).
I think a nearly impossible to cultivate plant here in Europe (too different climatic conditions).
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Some more information from the book 'Orchids Of China'.
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Thank you very much, this information is great!!! ;D
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Rob, potassium hydroxide is tricky stuff, not something that I personally would be using at home ....."Potassium hydroxide (KOH) is a very caustic, extremely alkaline substance. It is readily soluble in water, which makes it a popular laboratory chemical, as it can be used in many laboratory experiments, not to mention for a wide range of other applications also. When it is dissolved in water, potassium hydroxide gives out a good amount of heat. A chemical reaction which emits heat is known as an exothermic reaction. Potassium Hydroxide in its pure form is a hazardous substance and should therefore only be handled by qualified and competent persons. Although some of the weaker concentrations of KOH are not as hazardous, they should still only be handled by suitable, trained individuals. "
Maybe some of our pleione growers can suggest another, less risky method?
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Rob, If you just want PH adjusters, go to a hydroponic/aquarium shop or Ebay. Just type in PH up or PH down or Potassium hydroxide on Ebay search.
When adding the up/down PH adjuster you will only need tiny drops of it from a pipette (also available on Ebay) so I recommend you only buy a very small bottle (about £2.50 on Ebay). You you can't afford to invest in a PH meter, make sure you get some decent PH testing strips.
Potassium hydroxide is available from any of these stores and is commonly used for what you want it for.
Good luck with your seeds.
David
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Hi Rob, no I am never likely to be at a snowdrop Gala ! ;)
There are a lot of Maggies out there I know,but if you ever meet me ( or hear me)you'll know it's me!
I heard you on the radio clip about the galanthus mania and events, by the way; i thought that was pretty cool for you!
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thanks Dave! i didn't think to look for pH up or pH down, i know these are available in aquatic stores and didn't put two and two together.
i think the medium has to have its pH reduced so it will be a pH down. i didn't realise these aquatic adjusters with actually potassium hydroxide!
Rob, Potassium hydroxide is a strong alkali (similar to bleach) so it will put the pH up not down
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Back to some Pleione :)
Two more Leda and Krakatoa clones.
Eric
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And More ;)
Brigadoon
Brigadoon "Stonechat"
Hekla "Partridge"
Eric
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A Few More
Formosana "Snowcap"
Kituro "Sulpher"
Pan of Zeus Weinstein
Eric
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Not forgetting another Grandiflora ;)
Eric
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Eric, very nice looking P. Kituro 'Sulpher', it is my favorite, but all your plants are beautiful.
K.
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Eric, very nice looking P. Kituro 'Sulpher', it is my favorite, but all your plants are beautiful.
K.
I agree...but Brigadoon "Stonechat" is very special too :)
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hi Diane, OK I'm confused now ???!
i was told that i needed the potassium hydroxide to lower the pH, but you say it will only increase it? perhaps the pH down is a different form of potassium hydroxide or something? i know of pH down as i have seen it in aquatic shops before so i guess i will need this one.
Rob, I know almost nothing about Pleione cultivation, but I do know that Potassium hydroxide is a strong alkali and will therefore take the pH up. There are no forms of Potassium hydroxide that do anything else.
I suggest you take a look at Paul Cumbleton's site for lots of information about growing Pleiones including raising from seed http://www.pleione.info/ (http://www.pleione.info/)
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Eric, very nice looking P. Kituro 'Sulpher', it is my favorite, but all your plants are beautiful.
K.
Karel, Kituro "Sulpher" is a very nice hybrid that could easily pass for a Forrestii ,but perhaps a slightly paler yellow than some .I find this steady to bulk up and a nice panfull should not take that long to achieve. :)
I wonder if this is your No 1 favourite hybrid? and it got me to thinking what others forumists favourites are too.
Mine would be for a species - Aurita and for a hybrid Littondale "Oxnop".
Two more in flower today
Piton
Zeus Weinstein "Dessert Sands"
Eric
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Hello Rob,
maybe you would like to try someone else to do your flasking? I can recommend someone who also does Ian's. His name is Roy Barrow, he also runs a tropical nursery, royden.orchids@googlemail.com. His flasks have proved to be very vigorous. His charges are reasonable, and you say how many flasks you want. No germination no charge. I've asked him if he is willing to take on more pleione seed and he said yes.
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Rob,
To try and keep it simple, acid is the lower number and alkali is the higher number on the scale. IE 1-6 Acid with 1 being very Acid, 7 being neutral and 8-14 being Alkali, 14 being strong alkali. Therefore if you had an acid PH of 3 you would need to add some potassium hydroxide to take it UP to 7 if you wanted a neutral PH.
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Hi Rob,
Yes there seems to be confusion about the naming of wild hybrids. The rules are that natural hybrids from the wild should be written with an "x" in front to signify that they are hybrids and then the name should start with a small letter, not a capital. It should also be in italics. So the correct way to write the names for all the natural hybrids that we know of are like this:
Pleione x barbarae
Pleione x christianii
Pleione x confusa
Pleione x kohlsii
Pleione x lagenaria
Pleione x taliensis
So we can tell the natural hybrids from ones produced artificially, the artificailly produced hybrids have to be given a Grex name. Grex names are written with a capital letter and not in italics. So, in the case of yunnanensis x forrestii, if a plant of this came from the wild it should be called Pleione x christianii, written just like that. If a plant of this was articially made it should be called Pleione Krakatoa. If Paul Christian is writing these a different way then he is incorrect. To make things more confusing, it is also permissable under the rules to write the name of the articial hybrid in this manner: Pleione x christianii Krakatoa grex. You can read a more detailed explanation of these rules in the Orchid Review Supplement Vol 111, no. 1253, page 80.
Inevitably the wild material carries a higher price than the man-made versions of the same thing.
Paul
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Back to some Pleione :)
Two more Leda and Krakatoa clones.
Eric
Seems like you held back some amunition Eric... ;D ;)
Some quite extraordinary Pleione there !! :o :o
The Krakatoa with the pinkish petals is gorgeous.. Kituro Sulpher is amazing... and I could continue like that !!! Don't let us hold you back from posting more... ;D ;D ;D
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and now Pleione Parientin
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Hi Julien,
interesting flower. what is the cross? and did you make it yourself? is it different to Pln Paricutin (Pln. Tongariro x Pln. x confusa), Ian Butterfield 1986?
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yes thanks Dave i know how pH works :o
Very glad to hear it. It sounded like you did not as you were trying to use an alkaline (potassium hydroxide) to adjust the PH in the wrong direction ;)
Good Luck.
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Got caught in my potting shed this afternoon while the hail was falling out of the sky. I have a shelf around the whole room just at eye level, where I grow things I like to look at every day.
First Spiranthes sinensis, which has been flowering since October 2009. I think it's coming to the end now.
Then Pln Glacier Peak, quite early this year. Also Calanthe sieboldii, which lived outside during the winter of 2008/9 but I had the good sense to put it indoors in my pleione store last winter. Pln Bandai-san makes a nice show with its big flowers. Pln Bromo comes in different colour forms, pink and apricot. I rather like this one. Pln Eastfield Purple Emperor has such wonderful contrast in its colour scheme, it looks stunning on a showbench or display.
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Nice selection Maren
Nice to see a White Glacier Peak as most seem to have varying amounts of pink too. This is a popular cross that has been done many times and the only pure Whites I have seen before are from Rainer Kretz ,which I guess is this ones origine ?.
Bromo looks nice .
Eric
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Hello Maren
It's a plant I bought 10 years ago in a garden festival, I have no information on its parents, and it could as well be misnamed (a Pln humilis from the same seller turned out to be X barbarae).
The bulb is green and flat like some clones of formosana alba, but it sadly never increased nor produced any bulbils.
I have one Pln Paricutin that Ian sent me as a gift last winter along with my order but it's not growing yet so I cannot compare.
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Hi Eric,
the Glacier Peak came from Kath Fairhurst. I wonder if she re-made the cross herself. It's possible.
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Maren, Kath did a re-make and I was talking to her about it last Sunday. ;)
She did have on the showbench a pot of them but all these did have a good amount of pink in the petals.
Eric
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Wonderful selection Maren !
Glacier Peak definitely is one to look out for ! :D
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Thank you for your kind comments. I have put a red star on the label of the Glacier Peak, so that I can keep it apart from the rest to grow on into a bowlful. It seems like a good candidate, having three flowers on a medium sized pseudobulb. Cheers. :)
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Hi Rob,
splitting up your seeds seems like a good idea, it's always good to have a Plan B. If you've made something really nice, it would be a shame not to give it every chance to succeed. Good luck.
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Rob - if you are using commercial media, I find you only have to make small pH adjustments. I use citric acid to reduce the pH & sodium bicarbonate to raise it. Both readily available from pharmacies.
Sifaka - first seedling of this cross to flower for me. An excellent form but not a brilliant pic. as the petals are showing much more reddish tint then they actually have, but I cannot get a more better one.
Pl. grandiflora, opens cream colour & then turns a pure white.
Rakata "Shot Silk"
" "Locking Stumps"
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Hi, your Sifaka looks nice, the picture shows the veining very well. But your grandiflora is gorgeous. congratulations. :)
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Hello everyone,
After over 12months of reading very informative and interesting threads I thought it was about time I entered the inner circle.
This is the first thread I visit each day as I am a Pleione enthusiast, but not to the exclusion of many other orchids, woodlanders and alpines.
This P. forrestii is my first group to flower this year with, (hopefully), plenty of others to follow.
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Welcome to posting, Graham!
It looks like that potful will be looking good for the Edingburgh Show next week, Huh??!! :D
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Hello everyone,
After over 12months of reading very informative and interesting threads I thought it was about time I entered the inner circle.
This is the first thread I visit each day as I am a Pleione enthusiast, but not to the exclusion of many other orchids, woodlanders and alpines.
This P. forrestii is my first group to flower this year with, (hopefully), plenty of others to follow.
Welcome Graham and what a lovely arrangement ::) ::) ::)
Please keep them coming. ;)
Eric
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Hi Maggi & Eric,
Thanks for your very prompt welcome.
Not sure I'm ready for showing yet Maggi, but I will be at the show.
Graham
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Hi Pete
Lovely Sifaka ,which I have found slow to flower from seedlings from the few I was given several years ago and I have to wait another year. :'(
More from today
Leda no6 ( more yet Luc ;) )
Archie Goodwin
Jenny Kretz
Eric
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Hi Maggi & Eric,
Thanks for your very prompt welcome.
Not sure I'm ready for showing yet Maggi, but I will be at the show.
Graham
I think you are too modest, Graham.
I'll be at the show...... please introduce yourself to me.... I'm easily found.... eating cake or chatting in the foyer, for the most part!
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Welcome Graham : What a great start !! :D :D
A wonderful series Pete, I cannot but agree with Maren - gorgeous Sifaka and the Grandiflora looks super !!
I'm counting them with you Eric... (the Leda's I mean ;D) - another great specimen !! :o
Jennie and Archie are not bad either... :
Here's some of mine flowering these days :
1) Pl. ueli wackernagel - pink form - (the colourbreaks in the petals worry me a bit... any comments anybody ?? :-\)
2) Pl. ueli wackernagel - the pale form - I really love this one!
3) Pl. shantung "Ducat"
4) Pl. piton
5) Pl. orizaba - a good dark one I think.
6) Pl. hekla "Partridge"
7) Pl. captain hook
8) Pl. alishan "Mothers Day"
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Hi Luc
Nice series. I have noticed these petal markings too on some Ueli but I don"t think it is anything to worry about . Petals look identical to those on your Mothers Day. ;)
That Large, Pale form of Ueli (ex Jan Berg) is super and a favourite of mine too. It is very vigorous and makes huge bulbs. I have used this one for one of my crosses.
Eric
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Nice lot Luc especially the pale Ueli. Your Ueli's are well ahead of mine.
I also would not be too concerned by the mottled petals. Many of mine are showing it this year & I suspect that it is temperature related & due to the cold Winter we have had. Zeus Weinstein, Piton & a pink form of Shantung are particularly affected this year for me. I do not think they are viral effects.
Welcome Graham - nice "scenic" forrestii grouping.
Eric - your collection is romping away nicely. Love the Archie Goodwin. I had this years ago & lost it, (was never that vigorous.) A rare hybrid now.
Pete.
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Welcome Graham, so nice to see Cypripedium guttatum as your avatar. And your arrangement of P. forrestii is very pleasing. I look forward to seeing more of your plants and arrangements. :)
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Thank you all for your kind welcome and comments.
For those of you that are posting photos, you clearly have much larger collections than I do. I don't have too much space so am concentrating on species instead of hybrids, (except for a pan of 'Fuego'), and bulking them up.
Please don't expect any more pleione flowers soon. The closest is P. pleionoides but I think that is two or three weeks away.
Maggi, I will certainly seek you out next Saturday.
Maren, The C. guttatum, although diminutive, is my favourite Cypripedium. The flower in the avatar was my first (last year), after a wait of two years. There are three shoots this year and I hope there will be at least another flower.
Eric, I really like the deep colour of the 'Archie Goodwin'.
Graham
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Nice lot Luc especially the pale Ueli. Your Ueli's are well ahead of mine.
I also would not be too concerned by the mottled petals. Many of mine are showing it this year & I suspect that it is temperature related & due to the cold Winter we have had. Zeus Weinstein, Piton & a pink form of Shantung are particularly affected this year for me. I do not think they are viral effects.
Welcome Graham - nice "scenic" forrestii grouping.
Eric - your collection is romping away nicely. Love the Archie Goodwin. I had this years ago & lost it, (was never that vigorous.) A rare hybrid now.
Pete.
Pete, you are certainly correct about Archie Goodwin not being vigorous.
This is my third year with it and the first time any have flowered and it is increasing at snail pace. :(
Eric
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Thanks for the reassuring comments on the mottled petals guys - it had me worried for a moment. ;)
Looking forward to more pix !! ;D
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Welcome Graham, nice forrestii
Eric, your Leda is beautifull
Pale form of Luc's Ueli wackernagel is super and a favourite of mine too
Here's two of mine flowering these days
Pl. aurita and Tolima
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Super flowers, Sam.
I have edited your photos to be a better size for the Forum.... 760 pixels wide. 8)
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Sam
very nice P. aurita.
I like it..
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Very strong coloured aurita Sam !!
As Ramsis, I like it too !
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Hi Sam
I agree with the others, a very nice aurita. I don't have this species in my collection yet but intend to in the future.
Thanks for your comments on my forestii.
Graham
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robsorchids
your P. krakatoa 'wheatear' is amazing :)
I want to show my P. chunii, but I think that there P.limprichtii ??? Am I right...???
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Ramsis, I think it looks like P. x barbarae, but very nice. :)
K.
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I'd think x barbarae too, with a really nice colour.
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robsorchids,
in this picture flower is a little darker than really, because I took pictures in the evening.
color similar to your P. hekla 'locking stumps'
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Ramsis, the color can be pale, but the markings is typical for x barbarae.
K.
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How do you think can I rename to P. x barbarae, or leave as Pleione noid
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A few more out today, should be many more over the next few weeks.
P. Hekla
P. Rakata Rock Dove
P. Zeus Weinstein
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"Hi Eric,
the Glacier Peak came from Kath Fairhurst. I wonder if she re-made the cross herself. It's possible."
Maren,
Here is one of my Glacier Peaks flowering now. Mine are from seedlings given to me by Kath. She quoted the cross as using formosana "Cairngorm."
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"Hi Eric,
the Glacier Peak came from Kath Fairhurst. I wonder if she re-made the cross herself. It's possible."
Maren,
Here is one of my Glacier Peaks flowering now. Mine are from seedlings given to me by Kath. She quoted the cross as using formosana "Cairngorm."
Hi Pete That is a lovely Glacier Peak. Kath has a very nice Cairngorm with red lip markings and not the usuall brick-red colour and this seems to have come through into this clone.
Eric
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Hi Pete
That is a nice Glacier Peak. The Zeus Weinstein are now all open and the others I got from you are not far behind.
David
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Maren,
Here is one of my Glacier Peaks flowering now. Mine are from seedlings given to me by Kath. She quoted the cross as using formosana "Cairngorm."
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Hi Peter, thank you for mentioning 'Cairngorm'. Now I understand why the cross looks like this.
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Wonderful show Dave, Pete and Eric !!
So many beauties still to look out for.. ::) ::) ::)
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Hi Ramsis .. Certainly at first sight, this does look like x Barbarae, but looking closer at the bulb and considering the actual flower is much paler than shown, it could be Limprichtii. I wonder if the bulb is fairly small and flask- shaped ? If it is I would say Limprichtii but a larger and plumper bulb would indicate x Barbarae
Ok... now I know that I have P. x barbarae, the bulb is large and plump, besides today bloomed
Pleione limprichtii, the flower of limprichtii, is much more smaller than the P. x barbarae.
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I could do with the cat, caught over 20 mice in my greenhouse since Christmas.
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I could do with the cat, caught over 20 mice in my greenhouse since Christmas.
They certainly do like a nice Pleione bulb to eat or scatter far and wide. >:( I find any Pans left at low level are sure to be attacked :'(
Eric
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I could do with the cat, caught over 20 mice in my greenhouse since Christmas.
And me - mice had also caused me problems before I realised they were getting into the greenhouse and they went for my Edgecumbes - grrr. They ate all the growth buds, so no flowers this year (& one bulb subsequently rotted!!!) They have picked up & moved bulbs around to, I have a grandiflora flowering in a Ueli Wackernagel pot. (They also ate every Rhodohypoxis bulb I had.)
Pete.
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Did not see any damage but noticed potted dormant bulbs that were sitting upright were now on their sides. Caught six the first night I put some traps out.
Rob, on a previous post you asked about utilising space below, put some traps down if you do.
David
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A couple more today. P. Marion Johnson is much darker than this with deeper orange colours. Will try and get a better picture under different light.
Pleione Marion Johnson
Pleione Guenter (new hybrid registered last year).
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White balance was set to auto and got it wrong. The difference can be seen with the new photo of P. Marion Johnson as compared to the one above. Will retake Guenter again tomorrow as these look wrong to me now as well.
P. Marion Johnson
P. formosana Claire
P. Shantung Gerry Mundey
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Nice photos Dave.
Your two photos of Marion Johnson show well how different conditions and light levels can alter the colours and change the look of our plants completely. For this reason I always now, manually alter the White Balance to achieve the nearest likeness possible. Another tip is to avoid any direct sunlight on the plant.
Eric
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Hi Eric
I bought a grey card for this purpose from Jessops but thought the conditions seemed the same as before but was obviously very wrong as the images show.
A couple more.
P. formosana Cairngorm
P. Kilauea Hoopoe (new one for me and I like it a lot).
P. Guenter (again with correct white balance)
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Dave
First time I have seen Hoopoe and it looks super. ::)
Not seen Guenter before either and wonder what it"s parentage is ?
Mice like Bletilla too !!!!! Scattered everywhere. >:( >:( >:(
Eric
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Eric/Others
Paul Cumbletons website is updated now with last years new hybrids.
P. Guenter (Pln. bulbocodioides x Pln. Eiger)
G. Bergel 2009
Alternatively - http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/
David
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Great plants and wonderful pix Dave - Pl. kilauea "Hoopoe" is new to me too and it's a real beauty !!
Here's some flowering with me today :
1) Pl. Marion Johnson (very similar to yours I think, Dave)
2) Pl santorini "Yellow Wagtail" - produced a double flower ! :D :D
3) Pl kenya "Bald Eagle" - quite a small flower but excellent colour.
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Hello
Looking good Luc. Very nice to so Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail' with two flowers.
The season is about to start for me. Almost there. The first flowers opend during the night so I will try to post some pictures during the weekend. I am wondering if there are other people out there with the flowering season to so late?
Greetings.
Pieter
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Hi Pieter !
I hope it's not just the Pleione that are growing strong ?? ;)
I think my Pleiones are just in a much warmer environment (Veranda)than yours. :-\ But no worries, you will catch up and it will lenthen our Pleione season !! :D :D
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Hi Luc
Love the P. Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail'. Don't have this one yet, just the normal P. Santorini. I normally cut off second flowers as they can ruin the shape of the flower but in your case it shows it does not always happen as it looks great. Last year I had a double of P. yunnanensis which I left and it also looked fantastic.
Pieter
I've got many bulbs that are only just starting to show some movement and some that have not moved at all yet (apart from the mice walking on them). All depends as Luc said, how warm they are now and how they were kept over winter. Most of mine were in a very cold garage until mid February before being potted back up. Some new ones I have had this year from I. Butterfield are far more advanced than mine and I can only assume his are kept warmer over winter.
David
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Thanks for the replys.
The way plants are storred over winter surelly will have an influence on the growth but it is not verry clare to me if all is right. All my Pleiones are storred in a brickwork garden shed. the same place they are potted up to bring them to growth. I also have some new plants from I. Butterfield that are well on the move but some of my own stock is faster than these and others are slower. For example, my Hekla is much slower than my Shantung.
As long as they are in good health and show of with their flowers, I am happy.
Oh by the way Luc. It is indeed not only the Pleiones that are growing strong. Little Anna has already grown 4cm in 5 weeks time. To say it in horticultural terms: she is a vigoures bulb.
Greetings
Pieter
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A few more today.
P. Shantung Silver Anniversary
P. Rakata Locking Stumps
P. Rakata Shot Silk
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Oh by the way Luc. It is indeed not only the Pleiones that are growing strong. Little Anna has already grown 4cm in 5 weeks time. To say it in horticultural terms: she is a vigoures bulb.
Greetings
Pieter
Haha... many congratulations Pieter (and to the happy mother of course !!) - don't forget : bulbs like this take a lot longer to mature than even the slowest Pleione ... ;D ;D ;)
Many congratulations again !!!
Maggi,
I think a Forum member becoming a father deserves some extra Cake ??? 8)
Love the P. Sh. "Silver Anniversary" David !!
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Hey, Luc, thanks for this news from Pieter.......Well, a new Baby! 8) :D :)
How wonderful.... many, many congratulations to Pieter and his good Lady on the birth of Anna... may she grow and flourish and be always a joy to you.
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Pleione Santorini
T.
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Hi Tomas
Nice P. Santorini, mine are only just coming in to bud and are way off flowering yet.
David
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Popped in at Ian Butterfield's for a chat yesterday and he showed me some of his as yet unnamed hybrids:
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And a couple more, the first named after his son Michael and the second as yet unnamed, but jut look at the colours. Ian is holding them for me to photograph, not a brilliant picture due to my lack of skill, but what beauties.
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Stunning Maren, P. Michael Butterfield is my favourite but all are a must for the future.
Thanks for sharing.
David
PS Pictures are great.
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Lovely Maren ::) I must pay a visit .
Eric
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Thanks David, you are kind. I particularly like to have Ian's hands in the picture. It makes it so real. There was also a big smile on his face. :)
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Exciting pix of these new plants from Ian Butterfield.... thanks, Maren.
The one named for his son and the other pictured in the same post.... not only are the form and colours lovely, but as we can see from the hand... they are good BIG blooms, also! Lovely!!
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X barbarae
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Thank you Maren for the photos, now a need to expand the list of dreams :)
Slug Killer
nise P. x barbarae
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Another new one for me, Pleione St Helens
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Very nice David.
St Helens has a good colourcombination.
I saw it in Ian Butterfields catalogue but I couldn't imagine what it would look like.
An other one for my wish list.
Greetings
Pieter
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Pieter
I had no idea either what P. St Helens was going to look like and just had a gamble, very glad I did as I think it's beautiful.
This next one is a little late!
P. Tarawera
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A couple more from me.
Irazu "Mallard"
Glacier Peak
Eric
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Two different clones of P. humilis. First one from Koolplants with large pure white flowers (two on one stalk actually :)).
Second (through Eric Locke) is a little smaller with cream flower and some nice yellow on lip into throat. P. humilis is one of my favourites..
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Pleione aurita for you! :)
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As promised, here are some pictures from my first Pleiones to flower for me this year.
Krakatoa 1
Shantung Ducat
Alischan Mothers Day
Greetings
Pieter
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Good start Pieter !!
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Hi everybody.
This week I've visited Ian and Paul, so here are several photos from Ian's glasshouse:
Pleoine Makian-'Jeeny'
P.-x-kohlsii
P.-Anstice-Harris
P.-albiflora-01
P.-Helgafell-'Siskin'-02
P.-Betty-Arnold-x-P.-Makian
P.-Makian-x-P.-Mageik
P.-Jake-Butterfield
P.-grandiflora-(yellow)
P.-Caroli-x-P.-Marion-Johnson
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Nice Karel, thanks for showing them.
Wonder if you managed to obtain an Eiger "Snowflake" from Ian ?
Eric
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Nice Karel. So, albiflora is real :)
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This has nothing to do with Pleinones, but I am just curios to know from Lars whether grows the Disa he has in his avatar
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A strange P. grandiflora????
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Hi Pleione lovers,
I couldn't find a better place to introduce myself so I hope it will be okay to do this here. :)
Although I read this forum for quite some time I just decided to register today.
So far I really did enjoy all the beautiful Pleione flowers shown here and hope to add pictures of some of my own flowering species and hybrids as well. This year is a somewhat strange start as the early Pleiones are flowering simultaneously with ones that are usually later flowering and all of them seem to burst into flower after a long winter.
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Hi, ThomasB... good to welcome you to the forum 8)
I think the past winter (Always supposing that it IS past and not waiting to throw a bit more snow and frost at us :-\ ) has been confusing for a lot of plants.
It will be interesting to see how the unusual season affects NEXT year's growth and flowers.
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Herzlich wilkommen ThomasB ! ;)
I'm sure you will like it here and we are just as surely awaiting your pictures !! :D :D
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Thank you for this warm welcome. :D
I'm trying to add a picture of one of the first Pleione which flowered for me this year. Hekla 'Partridge'
It did work - nice! ;D
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Some more Pleiones which already flowered here:
1) Archie Goodwin
2) aurita
3) Bandai-San 'Sand Grouse'
4) grandiflora
5) Harlequin
6) Irazu 'Cheryl'
7) Kenya
8) Kilauea 'Curlew'
9) Santorini
10) Zeus Weinstein
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Hi ThomasB :D How and where do you grow them ? All nice plants ;)
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A couple more flowers. I do grow all of them at my appartment within a small greenhouse on wheels. This is placed at a west-facing window in a cool room. The Pleiones do spend the summer outside on my balcony.
A nice yellow Leda (2 flowers per stalk although I did remove the partly developed second one)
Shantung 'Ducat'
Shantung 'Ridgeway'
Tongariro
x barbarae
One I received (German orchid nursery) as hookeriana which it obviously isn't. Maybe a lighter form of Leda or a grandiflora?
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Hi Dave,
I like the unusual P. grandiflora. Hope I have one of those in the ones I got from you!!
Graham
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Dave - very nice ? grandiflora. Could it even be a superb xbarbarae?
Welcome Thomas. Nice plants you have, particularly the yellow Leda.
Karel - thanks for your excellent pics. Very nice to see an image of albiflora - it has terrific frill to the lip - I want!
More of mine;
Sifaka - another seedling flowering for the 1st time.
Piton - all double flowered & making a nice show from a few bulbs.
Ueli Wackernagel.
grandiflora with more yellow in the lip.
Pete.
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Pleione albiflora is a nice species - I too like the frilly lip and would love to get a bulb of this! Unfortunately the plants offered almost never seem to be the true species but turn out as grandiflora, light 'Eiger' or sometimes humilis.
Pete - Sifaka has a colour combination I really like. White lip with red stains is always something I appreciate.
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This has nothing to do with Pleinones, but I am just curios to know from Lars whether grows the Disa he has in his avatar
Yes, i grow it. It's Disa uniflora 'Christmas gold'.
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You didn't disapoint us ThomasB !
A very nice entry !! ;D ;D
Lovely show Pete - love the Grandiflora with more yellow ! :D
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Like the P. Sifaka, very deep red colouration.
A few of my P. grandiflora out today
P. Alishan 'Mothers Day'
P. formosana 'Snow White'
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Santorini "Yellow Wagtail" is one of my favourites too !
I posted a picture of mine a couple of weeks ago - last week however - I had the visit from an excellent and very well equipped photographer who made a "study" of this wonderful Pleione(pix 1-2-3). Thought you might like it - I hope cropping the images didn't harm the quality too much.
Picture 4 is Pl. whakari - detail of the frilled lip !
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Ooooooh! :o
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Now that is a super lip on your 'Wagtail' Luc!!
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The first Pleiones in this year after humilis and forrestii. I only grow older hybrids.
Pleione Bandai-san 1
Pleione Brigadoon Stonechat 1
Pleione bulbocodioides 4
Pleione Deriba 1
Pleione grandiflora 4
Pleione Harlequin 1
Pleione Soufriere 1
Pleione Surtsey 1
Pleione Zeus Weinstein 1
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Nice collection Hans.
Beautiful closeup of the Yellow Wagtail's lip Luc!
Here is my P. forrestii - semialba, flowering for the first time.
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A few more...
Alex
Pleione grandiflora
P. X confusa
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A few more
P. Callisto
P. Edgecombe
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All these pictures.
Even if the season started late and not all is in flower yet, it is realy great to see all these Pleiones.
Alex,
That x confusa is verry nice.
David,
Your Edgecombe is the first I see that has such a pink colour. But it still lookes smashing.
Greetings
Pieter
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And here are some more from me.
- formosana
- formosana Polar Sun (Luc recognize this? ;))
- Shantung Silver Anniversery
- Rakata Skylark
- Surtsey
- Marion Johnson
Enjoy
Greetings
Pieter
PS: Thanks for the E-card that was send for our little daughter. It is probabley the best we ever recieved. ;D
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Mine are running behind as usual, they were just taken out of the fridge :) Here's P. bulbocodioides:
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Three more today. First time flowering for P. Quizapu Peregrine and it took a long time to open.
P. Quizapu Peregrine
P. Shantung
P. formosana 'Greenhill'
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Quizapu Peregrine is a real beauty! Absolutely stunning :D
The warm weekend caused Vesuvius 'Tawny Owl' to open. 'Archie Goodwin' looks different some days later and fully opened.
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I've been off line the last couple of days so had to catch up with the posts this morning !! A good harvest !! ;D ;D
Some breathtaking stuff there !
Thanks for showing !
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Hi, a couple of flowers from today:
P. Leda
P. Rakata 'Rock Dove'
K.
David, Pieter - Nice pictures ;)
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more flowers opened yesterday Shantung, tongariro, hekla and versailles bucklebury on tiny bulbs 1 cm wide !
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Nice flowers Sam! :D
Could it be that you mixed something up with the names? 'Bucklebury' is a named form of Versailles not Vesuvius, isn't it?
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oh yes, i make a mistake ::)
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Some more today.
P. Orizaba Fish Eagle
P. Zeus Weinstein 'Desert Sands'
P. Kenya Bald Eagle
P. formosana 'Oriental Grace'
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One of the most beautiful hybrids out today, Pleione Edgecombe - quite variable but all that I've seen are an incredible colour.
By the way, this is the first year I've had it but I hear black spot is a big problem with this one - anyone have any experience in how to deal with this (perhaps preemptively)?
Cheers,
Alex
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Nice P. Edgecombe Alex, mine has a lot more pink in it.
Some more today.
P. Alisha merlin
P. Eastfield Purple Emperor
P. Oriental Splendour
P. Novarupta Raven
P. Pavlof
P. Rakata Keith Rattray
P. Santorini
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I saw the picture - another beautiful variation. Do you find it very difficult to grow?
Alex
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Alex, only had it this year so I don't know yet.
David
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Hello everybody
Some more pictures from my flowering Pleiones.
P. Volcanello 'Honey Buzzard'
P. Volcanello 'Song Thrush'
P. formosane 'Greenhill'
P. formosana 'Clare'
P. Vesuvius
P. Orizaba
P. Marion Johnson 2
P. Krakatoa 2
P. Tongariro
P. ????? This last Pleione is in my collection for a few years and has always been labeled as formosana but I am not sure that it is. Any one a idea what this realy is?
Greetings
Pieter
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Hi Pieter,
Nice pictures. I think you will find it is P. Volcanello 'Song Thrush' not 'Trust'. Named after the bird.
David
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Pieter and David - nice collections.
Here in Prague the main season comes very slowly.
K.
Pln. Burrator is flowering now.
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Hello everybody
Some more pictures from my flowering Pleiones.
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Nice photo"s from everyone.
Sorry I have not been able to contribute much this season due bad health.
Eric
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David
Thanks for the remark. I have been using the wrong name for a long time, but no longer. ;D
Eric
All the best with your health. Every picture not posted this season is one for the next season. ;)
Greetings
Pieter
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Here's one I've waited years for....and many, many thanks to a member of this forum for pointing me in the right direction! It's Pleione coronaria, just opening but judging by pictures I've seen I'm not sure it's a flower that ever opens very fully.
Cheers,
Alex
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Very nice Alex as it's on my most wanted list :'(
David
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Hopefully the bulbils I sent you at the end of last year are sprouting now? Mine are.
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I've got one that is still dormant and another that's about two cm high. Watching daily and treating it like a baby.
I'll let you know it's progress.
Thanks
David
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So many beauties but I think I'm definitely in love with Pleione 'Burrator'. I do like the Pln. coronaria crosses and it's good to see this species here.
Here are flowering Pleione Erebus 'Redpoll' , 'Vesuvius' and a Pleione aurita which shows the origin of it's name as the petals curve backwards like ears (rabbit ears). :D
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Some x barbarae
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Boy, oh boy, what a show everyone !! Sumptuous flowers !
My season is quietely nearing it's end... :'( ..; but I have still some flowering to look out for :D
1 & 2) Pleione asama
3) Pleione bulbocodioides
4) Pl. limprichtii
5) Pl. paricutin
6) Pl. stromboli 'Fireball'
7) Pl. volcanello 'Honey buzzard'
8) Pl. x barbarae
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Hans - amazing different clones of x barbarae. :o
4 plants from today:
P. Leda
P. Leda
P. Salek 'Eagle Owl'
P. formosana 'Snow Bunting'
K.
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You all have such large collections and some amazing hybrids.
My collection continues at a very slow pace.
Only the second to flower is P. limpritchii
Graham
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Hey Graham
That is a nice potfull. It has a verry natural feel with the moss covering the soil and the pot. Beauty!
About the large collections. It all starts little and there is always room for more when it comes to Pleione. ;)
Greetings
Pieter
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Hi Pieter,
Many thanks for your kind comments. The pot was was prepared in the Autumn of 2008 and the moss allowed to grow through the Autumn and Winter. The Pleione were inserted through the moss in the Spring of 2009 and grown on until their dormancy. They remained in place over the winter in a frost free place and this is the result this year.
I too, was in danger of collecting everything that I could get my hands on, but a few years ago I decided I didn't have the space so I now concentrate on species with the exception of P. 'Fuego'.
Graham
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A few more,
P. formosana 'Lucy Diamond'
P. Orinoco Gemini
P. Askia 1
P. Askia 2
P. Taal Red Tailed Hawk
P. Tongariro
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In flower today are a big one and a small one:
Marco Polo and Pleione hookeriana - this one's really early.
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First P. hookeriana today - I thought this was a great form, particularly wide lip and nice spots on the petals, which hopefully can be aomewhat appreciated in these pics.
Alex
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Can anyone tell me what the geographic origins are of some of these compact clones of Pleione hookeriana? They are quite different from the ones I have seen in Nepal which have longer sepals and petals and a longer, less rounded lip. Would the above pictured plants be typical for the Chinese forms of this species?
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Hello Pascal,
just a guess but maybe the Pleione hookeriana you refer to are Pleione hookeriana var. sinensis (P. chunii)?
These do look quite different and could well be treated as separate species I think.
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Hi Thomas,
I am referring to the plants on the above pictures like yours but particularly the one from Alex. The petals and sepals seem so short in comparison to the size of the lip making it very "compact" flowers. The lip also seems open and doesn't form a tube first. Underneath an example of a Nepalese form
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I see what you mean and the flowers in 'The Genus Pleione' look more like your flower with longer petals and sepals giving a rather star-like appearance. I guess that's because Pleione hookeriana is really widespread and therefore differs a bit in how the flowers look like.
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Thomas,
When I look at the pictures of chunii it looks closer to the Nepalese form than the ones from Alex and you. Usually species with a wide distribution show a trend from one extreme to the other and I was just curious to know if these compact forms are examples of the Eastern variation. By the way, if people want to see why this species indeed likes to grow in moss, at least the Nepalese form does grow like that.... ;) The picture was taken mid May and they were growing in a moss layer on a big Rhododendron arboreum. At the time of flowering the moss was only slighty damp.
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Afraid I don't know the origin of my clone, sorry. But thanks for the habitat photo, beautiful.
Cheers,
Alex
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I too can't tell where my plants came from originally.
Maybe we'll see more Pleione hookeriana in flower will find intermediate forms and maybe even ones with a certain origin.
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Alex, on that Rhododendron the flowers were rather bleak with several all whites (except for the spots in the lip of course) but it was a great sight to see all of them popping out of the moss.
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Alex
Most Pleione hookeriana coming out of China are usually Pleione chunii and often mis labelled. I suspect your P. hookeriana is from West Bengal as that's where the main UK importer gets them from and the sending company collects hookeriana, humilis, maculata and praecox not far from where they are based in India.
David
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David,
I don't think the one from Alex comes from India. I am familiar with the forms of hookeriana from West Bengal but they are not much different from the ones on my picture from Helambu in C Nepal. To my knowledge P. maculata does not grow in West Bengal but further to the East towards Thailand. P. humilis is very rare in W Bengal and has been the subject of a large scale re-introduction schedule by the same nursery that exports to the UK. If you talk about the companies I think you are talking about I can assure you that none are collected from the wild. Pleione are one of the few genera closely guarded in West Bengal.
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Great God what a huge Rhododendron arboreum! :o :o :o
johnw
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Pascal
As I am on speaking terms with the company manager in West Bengal, I'll send him an e-mail to ask what part of India the plants originate from but he has already told me in the past that P. humilis is wild collected under licence and therefore they still need CITES and PHYTO to export.
David
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Great God what a huge Rhododendron arboreum! :o :o :o
johnw
John, in the more remote areas with smaller communities there is less need for fire wood. Particularly in the more touristic areas and better known trekking routes much of the Rhodo's have been cut down for firewood but in these places they can grow to maturity and can become very impressive. Fortunately the trend seems to be to bring kerosin burners on trekkings and more and more you can find "solar showers" heated by solar panels near lodges so there is less demand for firewood.
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Pascal
It is sad the destruction of these magnificent arboreums and the like. I often wonder if the solar cookers would work in these cloudy regions.
johnw
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John,
Most treks are in April-May or October-November which usually means clear skies and at least part of the day sun, these panels don't need much sun hours to warm the water up. And the pre-monsoon rainshowers in May usually don't reach the higher valleys and only last for a couple of hours. Only during the true monsoon the clouds would prevent the water not warming up but the solar showers are primarily for tourists so only needed during trekking season, I have been there only once during full monsoon and it is rather hazardous and slippery. Plants are great but a nightmare for taking pictures or keep standing on 2 feet....
Pascal
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Pascal
P. humilis is wild collected under licence and therefore they still need CITES and PHYTO to export.
David
Do not orchids need phyto and CITES certificates to move anywhere, anytime, regardless of origin ? ???
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Pascal
P. humilis is wild collected under licence and therefore they still need CITES and PHYTO to export.
David
Do not orchids need phyto and CITES certificates to move anywhere, anytime, regardless of origin ? ???
I meant as opposed to been wild collected without a licence by someone who does not offer CITES and just smuggles plants, just did not word it very well.
From outside the EU, yes you need CITES for all orchids unless flasked but no you don't need certificates to move anywhere within the EU anytime.
David
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Maggi,
Correct, even re-locating plants in the same country is dealt with under Cites. But unfortunately theory and practice are not always the same in Asia. The term "nursery grown" in Cites often is translated to "taken from the wild, grown on in the nursery for 2 months" and voila: nursery grown. Plenty of threads in orchid fora on that subject. Cites documents also are sometimes fake.
But Cites is not the only proces regulating international traffic of plants. The Convention of Bio(-logical) Diversity is another instrument to control this and in my point of view a more effective method because it is not based on paper lists. All orchids are Cites but I can sum up plenty of orchids that don't need it and plenty of other families/genera that should be on that list. The Cites list is not always based on facts (see the recent story with the blue tuna that didn't make it on the list because of political reasons).
In order to collect in a country that recognises the CBD you have to have written permission from that country to collect within their boundaries, including seeds. China for instance recognises the CBD so any seed collected on a holiday there without a permit and taken to Europe strictly speaking is illegal. Plant protection starts in the country of origin and often fails already there. Different culture, different norms and values. But maybe this is not the thread to discuss that subject... ;)
Irrespective of the above, it could very well be the plants David is talking about are 100% legal, I can't say.
Pascal
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Interesting - from what I understand, I think the form I showed is certainly P.hookeriana rather than P.chunii, but I'm not sure that helps very much with origin. FWIW, I can tell you it was bought from the Burnham orchids stand at the RHS London orchid show this year along with a nice form of P. grandiflora and a very big bulb of P. maculata - all nice.
Cheers,
Alex
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Hi Alex
Yes yours is definitely P. hookeriana and a very nice one as well. I should have some coming in to flower this week, will be interested to see if there is any difference.
Hope not as I like yours.
David
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Hello
My hookeriana is just started to grow, so no flower yet. But there are others.
P. aurita 1
P. aurita 2
P. aurita 3
P. formosana Cairngorm
P. Berapi Purple Sandpiper
P. yunnanensis
P. x barbarae
P. Tongariro Jackdaw
Greetings
Pieter
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Hi! Here they are some pleiones. There are 3 of them that i can't classify...
020[1]?
021[1]?
022[1]?
hookeriana white
berapi purple sandpiper
pleionoides
rakata shot silk
rakata shot silk2
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x barbarae?
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They can be bulbocodioides? ???
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Rob
P. Glacier Peak is a grex.
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/orchidregister/orchiddetails.asp?ID=121420
David
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Here's another from me
Pleione grandiflora.
Graham
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Another form of Pleione coronaria.
Alex
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Alex, that Pleione coronaria is absolutely gorgeous! :o
Once more I see why I like the coronaria crosses so much - unfortunately there are only a few (and less are available) so far.
Thomas
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Alex,
That is a verry beautiful coronaria. I find it is the best form I have seen so far. Most coronaria don't open the flowers in such a good way.
Rob,
Your unknown Chinese Pleione, could it be x barbarae? If have a similar looking form of x barbarae that I got from a German breeder who imported it from China.
Greetings.
Pieter
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Alex,
I'm joining everyone else : "That is one beautiful coronaria !!!!" :o :o :o
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I tend to agree with Pieter Rob, the one you showed surely looks like xbarbarae.. ??? ??? Maybe Paul C. could confirm ??
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Flowering today are Pleione formosana and one I received as bulbocodioides but I'm not sure about it's identity. Any other suggestions maybe? :)
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Hello Rob
Yes I meant the Pleione on the picture you already posted. x barbarae is a verry variable species and red does occur in the flowers. If you look at the picture of the x barbarae I posted you will see that the lip has red and purple/pink markings.
Maby you should post a picture of the other mistery Pleione as well. To compare the plants.
Paul Cumbleton will certainly be aible to give the correct name of your quistionmark Pleiones.
Hello Thomas
I think it sure is related to bulbocodioides. Possibly a dark form of P. x taliensis?
It sure is a verry beautiful Pleione. I like the color and the shape. Nice!
Greetings
Pieter
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chunii
Glacier Peak
Shantung
Pete.
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and a few more,
Vesuvius "Phoenix
Shantung - pink petal form
Any ideas anyone what this is? Appeared in a pot of Soufriere, I don't how or where it came from.
Whakari - lip detail, (I put pollinia from a nice forrestii on this but unfortunately it hasn't taken.)
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Ueli Wackernagel
Stromboli "Fireball" lip.
Pete.
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Great display Pete !!
A very good whakari if you ask me ! :D
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Hi Pete
Lovely colouring on the P. Whakari.
The unknown looks like P. formosana.
David
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Hi everybody.
Pete - nice close-up of lips ;D
Several plants from Prague:
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Could anyone tell me what this might be a (natural) hybrid of? It's Vietnamese, both flowers and pseudobulbs are fairly large. Sorry for the picture quality, I'll get better ones tomorrow.
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Hi Arisaema,
Almost certainly this is P. x barbarae (which is P. grandiflora x P. bulbocodioides)
Cheers
Paul
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Pleione Ganymede
Pleione x barbarae (Pale form)
Pleione Volcanello
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Hi Rob,
Re. the white streaking on petals, I have had the same problem this year, particularly on Zeus Weinstein, Shantungs & formosana.
So at the Malvern show, I asked someone on the Butterfield stand, (not Ian - they had a superb display as usual) if it could be due to the cold winter we had.
I was told that it is unlikely to be due to any cold effect but possibly my feeding regime.
I was advised to use a full strength, high potash feed (such as Baby Bio or Tomorite) weekly as soon as the leaves are well formed.
I have always started with 1/2 strength high nitrogen monthly initially, changing to a balanced feed mid season & high potash from about July.
So if that is what Butterfields use to acheive their tremendous plants - so will I this season.
Pete.
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Thank you for the identification, Paul!
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Here's a better pic of the pale P. x barbarae, and some P. limprichtii :)
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Rob
Can you measure the Rakata and tell me how big it is. I have some xbarbarae that are also very big.
Pleione Alde Saran below
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Some oldies from me;
P.soufriere
P. (el pico?) kestrel
P. el pico Goldcrest
P. Stromboli Fireball
P. vesuvius Phoenix
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Hi Rob
Good to hear the mystery Pleiones are no longer a mind teaser. I must say, that x barbarae from China looks very nice. Good shape and color.
I still have a mystery Pleione myself. I will try to post a picture tomorow. There is a chance it will also be a x barbarae. This would be verry strange if you know I have it for nine years now and bougth my first named x barbarae two years ago. ???
About flower size and the biggest Pleione flower? My largest Pleione flower was on a Shantung 'Ducat', it measured 12,7cm. My Rakata doensn't comes near this.
Hi David
Nice looking Alde Saran. Is this your own cross? I have an Alde Saran that will flower in a few day's time. I got it from Blankenburg in Germany. It would be nice tot compare these.
Greetings
Pieter
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Hi Pieter
P. Alde Saran is from Gunter Blankenburg in Germany. I registered it for him last year with the RHS.
Please post a picture when yours flowers as I am interested to see how much variation there is in this cross.
David
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Three flowers on one pseudobulb of Pleione x barbarae. This clone was obtained from Paul Christian a few years ago.
I see many beautiful x barbarae's here and i wonder if they are (clonal) descendants of once wild-collected plants?
If not, they should be named other than x barbarae. Just to make a distinction between wild clones and artificial clones (Like in Pleione x lagenaria and Pleione x Confirmation).
Can somebody shed some light here???
Hans
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Some are recently from China as mentioned in one or two of the posts and as usual are not true to name. Looking at Rob's picture, I think he thought he was getting P. aurita as that's what the label says. That's why there are always so many ID questions when they flower for the first time.
It gets even more confusing when there is mis-information on sites like Rareplants. It states for example that P. Christianii was done in cultivation and that's why there is a capital C and P. christianii with the small c is of wild origin.
David
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Several more from today:
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Very nice series Karel !
The potful of x barbarae is a very good example of its diversity !!
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1) Re. Pleione size, what ever this is, it is large - 12cm across.
2) xbarbarae are my last to flower, this the 1st clone I have.
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I'd say the first one with large flowers is probably a 'Shantung'
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Hello all
I finally found some time to get on the forum.
There are a few pictures of new flowering plants.
1) Alde Saran (Gunter Blankenberg)
David, if I compared it to yours I would say there is a serious difference within the grex. My form looks so well like a bulbocodioides that it is hard to imagine this is a cross with coronaria. Only the faint blur of the spots makes a difference. Would do you think?
2) limprichtii
This pleione came to me as a P. Quizapu. Apperently it is not.
3) x taliensis pale form?
This is a Pleione in my collections that fell victim to the blackbirds in my garden. A few years ago the birds thought it was a good idea to remove all the labels from my pots. Result: a lot of Pleione without a name. Most labels I was able to put back in the right pot but not all. This is the one that stayed behind. I only have two labels left: Piton and x taliensis. Since the flowers are so slender I don't think this is Piton but I am in doubt where as this is x taliensis. Any one with an idea?
Greetings
Pieter
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Pieter
It will be interesting to see further differences in P. Alde Saran as more people acquire seed grown bulbs from Blankenburg/Bergel as it was a joint registration. Last year he was using a photo that I provided but as the bulbs he was selling are seed grown there is probably a lot of variation (only he knows). I do have 3 smaller bulbs and it will be interesting to see how they flower next year.
Number 3 could be a pale P. piton but looks more like P. xbarbarae than P. xtaliensis.
Number 2 could be P. limprichtii or P. bulbocodioides as they are very difficult to tell apart at times.
David
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David,
In the case of P. Alde Saran there will be a lot of variation. If you compare these flowers to the flower of Alde Saran on Gunter Blankenburg website, you wouldn't think it is from the same cross. I also have two bulbs but only one flowered this year. Hopefuly the other one will be more like the coronaria parent. I actually bougth this hoping it would look like the one on his website. :-\
The other Pleiones, for as far as I can remember, the Piton I bought didn't look like this one. And I actually only bougth one x barbarae and that is the one in the picture in my previous post. I am guessing there still are a lot of bulbs out there who are not what they say they are. So you are in for a surprise, could be bad but could also be better than expected. ;)
Rob,
As for mutant Pleiones, I had a P. Volcanello this year without a lip. Just the petals, sepals and the column.
Greetings
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P. coronaria and some next from today.
K.
Pln. coronaria
Pln. Ganymede
Pln. Jorullo
Pln. limprichtii
Pln. Shasta
Pln. Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'
Pln. x barbarae
Pln. yunnanensis
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Karel, very nice Pln. coronaria...
T.
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P. yunnanensis
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Hello Hans
That is a verry nice form of yunnanensis. I haven't seen many with such a great lip and with yellow.
Hello Karel
Great serries. Your Ganymede is the nicest form within this grex I have seen. I love that Shasta. Verry nice. To bad it is not common. I haven't found any nursery that has this in stock. Do you know where you originaly got it from?
Greetings
Pieter
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Pieter
P. Shasta originaly done by I.Butterfield in 1992.
P. Sajama (P. limprichtii x P. hookeriana) x P. aurita
David
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Pieter,
I have Shasta from Ian, however Hi has only several plants and hasn't this hybrid in his common offer.
K.
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David
If this Pleione is registered in 1992, you would think it is more common. ???
I find there are a lot of nice hybrids, even old ones, that are verry rarely seen. Is this beceause these are slow to multiply, not commercialy, ... ?
Karel
Was this a recent purchase? Maybe I will ask Ian in october if he has one to spare. I contatced him last your for a few other rare beauty's (Edgecombe and Santa Maria) and he would look what he could do. So, fingers crossed. :)
Greetings
Pieter
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David,
In the case of P. Alde Saran there will be a lot of variation. If you compare these flowers to the flower of Alde Saran on Gunter Blankenburg website, you wouldn't think it is from the same cross. I also have two bulbs but only one flowered this year. Hopefuly the other one will be more like the coronaria parent. I actually bougth this hoping it would look like the one on his website. :-\
Pieter
The picture of P. Alde Saran on Gunters website is my picture from last year which he is using as well as many others on there.
Regards
David
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David
The picture on Gunter's website, you are refering to the picture with the black background?
I meant the form of Alde Saran in the other picture. To my idea this is a smashing form: long stem, large open flower, good keels and nice coloration.
Not that yours isn't good, verry nice as well. But when you compare the form I have to the one in that picture, they differ almost like night and day.
Do you think he will make this form in to a selection?
Greetings
Pieter
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Hi Pieter
I will ask Gunter when I return after the weekend about P. Alde Saran photo 1.
There are many Pleione crosses that are seldom seen as they do not grow that well. Paul Cumbleton sent me a list of cultivars which was up to 2002 and there are many on there that you seldom see for sale and some which probably do not exist anymore. Unfortunately the RHS Orchid registry only goes up until 2002 for all named cultivars which I can only assume is an oversight on their part but is also a pain.
Gunter Blankenburg registered several named cultivars of crosses allready made last year as his turned out to be quite different to the original cross. Unfortunately there does not seem to be any way of looking these up.
If anyone does know, please tell me.
Regards
David
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Hans - very nice P. yunnanensis.
A few more from today:
P. f. 'Clare'
P. f. 'Lucy Diamond'
P. Jorullo
P. Mawenzi
P. Mawenzi is another my favorite ;D
K.
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Karel
That is an other nice selection of Pleione. You really have a long season of Pleione pleasure. As I can remember, your Pleione started early in the season and they are still goiing. ;)
David
Thanks in advance for asking.
Maybe this subject on the existence of Pleione hybrids is a little to much of a detour in the current topic so it would be better to make a new topic.
Below, the link to the new topic “Extinct or existing Pleione?”.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5510.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5510.0)
Greetings
Pieter
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Hookeriana out over the weekend. Not all flowering but seem to be growing well this year. Pleione chunii will soon be out as well and hopefully next year I'll have my first flowering cross of P. hookeriana x P. chunii.
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My last pleiones to flower,
Erebus - nice small flower.
another xbarbarae. Another large flower - 120mm.
Not sure if the 3rd pic. is a Piton or barbarae. It has flowered in a pot of aurita and I suspect that this is another translocated bulb, courtesy of mice in the Winter.
Pete.
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Nice Erebus Pete. mine did not flower for me this year as the main shoot aborted. Must have got too cold but there are two new smaller shoots showing now.
There seem to be far more mice around this year as I've been catching at least five a week for the past two months.
David
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A few of my last this year
Pleione Kima (different clone to the last one)
Pleione Jorullo Locking Stumps
Pleione Vesuvious Leopard
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Rob
I'd go along with the too cold theory which caused some damage. I've not had any deformed Pleione flowers but quite a few main shoots that failed produce and rotted off. Luckily all have been replaced with two knew smaller ones or in one case two large bulbils have grown from the top already.
David
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Well this is probably one of the last bunch of Pleione to flower this year until P. saxicola later in the year.
Pleione chunii
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Hello
These are the last to flower here.
1) Pleione El Pico "Kestrel"
2) Pleione Kima (Blankenberg)
Greetings
Pieter
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Pieter, very nice Kima.
Here are several plants from this week.
P. x barbarae
P. Mawenzi
P. limprichtii
P. pleionoides
and one of my seedpods.
K.
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Thanks Karel, It is not the biggest flower but I like it.
Very nice Mawenzi you have. Both color and shape are stunning.
Greetings
Pieter
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The last spring flower.
See you in autumn.
K.
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The last spring flower.
See you in autumn.
K.
8) ;D have a good summer, Karel!
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the last for this spring Pleione squopulorum
(http://images4.hiboox.com/images/2510/27e69bfe12184fa9a0fb83db5c5bca0b.jpg) (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/nature-decouverte/pleione-squopulorum-17,27e69bfe12184fa9a0fb83db5c5bca0b.jpg.html)
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I'm not quite sure whether this is still right for 'Pleione Spring 2010' as summer has already begun some time ago.
Pleione Berapi 'Purple Sandpiper' did wait very long before it decided to flower this year. I got the bulb early this year from Ian Butterfield and potted it with most of the other bulbs which already flowered. This one just sat there and did not much so far. I guess it is the latest as Pleione saxicola as the earliest of the autumn-flowering ones might start in september.
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That is late and any bulbs I had from IB flowered before my own collection as I think mine were kept colder over the winter.
I may have a P. saxicola in flower next week!!!!!
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I'm not quite sure whether this is still right for 'Pleione Spring 2010' as summer has already begun some time ago.
Well, quite! I've changed the thread title and any flowers from now on can go in a new thread!