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Specific Families and Genera => Cacti and Succulents => Topic started by: Hans J on June 07, 2009, 01:09:54 PM

Title: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
Hi all ,

before some days I have ordered from a german nursery a really strange cacti :

Astrophytum caput -medusae ( = head of medusa )

This plant is realiv new descriptet ....and it was difficould to name it ....
In year 2002 descript it Velasco & Nevarez as Digitostigma ....and in 2003 make Hunt a new combinations as Atrophytum.
It has not any thorns ( very well designed for all cacti lovers which not like thorns ) and it has a roots like a bulbs (very well for all bulb friends ) .....but the flowers is a typical Astrophytum  :o !

Enjoy
Hans

I hope to make a pic in some days when the flower is open .... ;D
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Maggi Young on June 07, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
Amazing cactus.... not even like a plant, really, more an alien!  ;D
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2009, 02:44:40 PM
Maggi  ;)

I agree with you ....but it is really from Mexico  8)
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Tony Willis on June 07, 2009, 04:30:50 PM
Hans very interesting,it does not look like any other astrophytum.
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Paul T on June 08, 2009, 12:03:19 AM
Fascinating, Hans.  Certainly different to the others in that genus.  Obviously easier to graft it that grow it on it's own "bulbous" roots?
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 08, 2009, 07:16:55 AM
Thank you all for your interest !

Paul - I think it is a must with grafting this plant  :-\
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Paul T on June 08, 2009, 07:21:50 AM
Hans,

If it has bulbous roots I would have thought that it might have done OK on it's own roots?  Then again, maybe it just won't strike as cuttings and so has to be grafted.  Very nice looking plant.
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 08, 2009, 07:46:21 AM
Paul ,

maybe more a challenge for a expieried bulb grower than for a cacti fan ?

I know only that people grow it from seed ....and soon as possibly the graft it ....
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Paul T on June 08, 2009, 07:56:58 AM
Thanks for the info Hans.  Obviously just too difficult to grow by itself.  At least we have grafting, or else we'd never see these things out of their natural habitats. Thanks so much for showing us. 8)
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 08, 2009, 08:33:43 AM
Hi Paul ,

I have just looked on a list from well know german seed seller :
the price for 10 seeds is 18 Euro ......( similar like Worsleya )  ::)
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: ruweiss on June 08, 2009, 09:19:12 PM
Hi Hans, the flower looks like this, I showed the plant last year in the forum
under the synonym Astrophytum caput-medusae. It was interesting, that the
non-flowering buds which formed in autumn did not drop during the winter rest,
but flowered in early spring. A cactus insider told me, that the first imported
seeds were sold for 24$ per grain!
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: ruweiss on June 08, 2009, 09:30:02 PM
Pardon, here is the picture:
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 09, 2009, 07:26:26 AM
Hi Rudi ,

Thank you for your pic ! ....really nice !
Comes your plant from Rommelshausen ?

Yes -I have searched also a bit yesterday and I have found similar informations about prices ....
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: ruweiss on June 09, 2009, 09:50:24 AM
Hi Hans, I live about 3 kilometers away from Uhlig's paradise for cactophiles (a steady temptation), but this plant
is from a very skilled propagator of Eastern Germany; he sold it at the Süddeutsche Kakteentage in Korb last year.
In april this year a man offered seedlings of this plant on own roots at a plant sale in Munich.
Good luck with your plants and enjoy the flowers.
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Rogan on June 09, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
I've often been tempted to buy seed of this plant as I also enjoy growing cacti and other succulents, but I'm afraid the seed prices asked for are way out of my league! In due course the prices will probably come down as the plant becomes more demystified, then it will be my chance!

I have to admit the temptation to grow Worsleya at USD2 a seed was too great for me to resist - I now have six seedlings of varying sizes bursting out of their pots and doing quite well - even the "home government" (read: "wife") has come round to the idea and is looking forward to them flowering - one day...   8)
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 09, 2009, 11:16:24 AM
Rudi :

Is the name of this man from east germany maybe Steffen ?
...from him comes my plants too ....
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Paul T on June 09, 2009, 01:22:37 PM
Rogan,

I'll have to remember the "home government" comment.  I like it!!  ;D
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: ruweiss on June 09, 2009, 09:05:45 PM
Hi Hans, the name of the Cactus-man is Heinz,but I have no information where he lives.
He was not at our annual plant sale this spring, because he got seriously ill.
You can phone me, if you want more information.
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 13, 2009, 05:30:22 PM
Hi all ,

today has now flowered the second plant  :D

enjoy
Hans
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Heinie on June 13, 2009, 05:56:48 PM
Hans,
That plant and flower is really special. What a beauty. It is a first timer for me.
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 13, 2009, 08:09:02 PM
Hi Heinie ,

thank you for your compliments  ;D

all the best
Hans
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: cohan on June 17, 2009, 07:35:19 AM
it is a very nice plant :)
i have several cactus friends who are growing this--some prices have come down over several years, i could ask, but i dont think my friends paid more than around US$1 per seed, and i think they are all or mostly growing them on their own roots...
i'm going to ask one of them for an update...
btw, transferral to Astrophytum is still controversial for some people, and many consider it a 'theft' of sorts from the people who originally published the find..so many still call it Digitostema...( sp?)
of course, nothing unusual there, lots of disagreements about many names, certainly in cactaceae!
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on June 17, 2009, 08:05:07 AM
I have before some days sent my pics to other cacti friends ...a good friend of mine wrote me back :

                          "oops -I did not know that it's possibly to graft tails of rats ...."

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: cohan on June 17, 2009, 06:28:49 PM
I have before some days sent my pics to other cacti friends ...a good friend of mine wrote me back :

                          "oops -I did not know that it's possibly to graft tails of rats ...."
 ;D ;D ;D

lol--your friend clearly has no taste ;)
i checked with one friend who is growing the seedlings: hers are in communal pots of 3 or 4 plants, on their own roots at 2 years old, and she has no intention of grafting;
she has the advantage of being in florida, and growing cacti in a greenhouse, warm(hot!) and sunny all year, and uses a very simple potting mix of commercial potting soil (soilless mix) with added perlite..
at 2 years old, they are making some kind of tufts--buds?
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on July 04, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Hi all ,

here is a short update from today :

first : my pollination was good ( I have stored pollen from the first flower for one week and than carefully pollinatet -it was succsessfull !!!

second : I have made a try with grafting - it looks also well

Greetings
Hans
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Paul T on July 05, 2009, 01:52:48 AM
Congratulations, Hans, on both counts.  With the cost of seed you could start financing your gardening habit just by selling the seed.  ;D ;)  Congratulations on the successful graft!
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on July 05, 2009, 11:09:26 AM
Congratulations, Hans, on both counts.  With the cost of seed you could start financing your gardening habit just by selling the seed.  ;D ;)  Congratulations on the successful graft!

Paul ,

those plants are not for me ....I have it only ordered for a friend in a other country !
.....so I'm also not interestet for those seeds ....
with the grafting it was just for fun - I found one broken 'arm' in the parcel and i dont know ....so I have made a test ( I have alsways a lot of Trichocereus schickendantzii for grafting )
My idea was to graft it horizontal ....to have a better chance with growing
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Gerdk on July 05, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Hi Hans,
Looking at your grafted cactus it seems to me you'll never stop to work
like in your former occupation - but remember: teeth are directed upwards!
 ;)

Gerd
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on July 05, 2009, 05:34:39 PM
Hi Gerd ,

the reason for this kind of grafting is there is a much better chance to meet the 'Leitbündel' ( sorry but I dont know the english word )
If I had a other cacti ( p.e. Peireskiopsis ) so I would try it vertical ...

But you are right : one time in this occupation -ever in this occupation  ;D
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Rogan on July 05, 2009, 08:48:39 PM
'Leitbündel' = vascular bundle / conductive tissue, i.e. the xylem and phloem.
Title: Re: a crazy Cactus !
Post by: Hans J on July 05, 2009, 08:51:09 PM
'Leitbündel' = vascular bundle / conductive tissue, i.e. the xylem and phloem.

Many thanks Rogan !

...your german is perfect !
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