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Specific Families and Genera => Primula => Topic started by: ChrisB on April 02, 2009, 07:20:23 PM
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Hi Maggi et al, I couldn't see that anyone had started an April slot for primula, but if they have, could you move this to it please? And Mal, if you are still lurking here, time to come out and say hello to everyone. The primula pictures I'm showing are all from those you've kindly sent me over the past year!
1. P. 'Boothman's var.
2. P. Primula 'Fairy Rose' KRW 180/48
3. P. allionii H19ENo.12 x Appleblossom (thank you Mr and Mrs Smethurst!)
4. P. 'Lady Greer'
5. P. 'Freedom'
6. P. 'Lemon Drop'
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And just a couple more. All are wee still, but I hope they will grow and become more domed with time and patience. When I see what can be achieved by the experts, I am left agog. But they are all very jolly and I'm acquiring more, with encouragement from Sue and you - Mal!!!
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I'll think of you at re-potting time Chris, I'm sure to have a few spares. Glad to see you're hooked on them now ;D
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A Primula from Turkey (Instanbul; Primula vulgaris ssp. sibthorpii?) and a nice hybrid.
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This is Primula 'Johanna' in a large trough.
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Very nice Jo and Anne! I have Johanna too, but it has never looked like that!
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This is Primula 'Johanna' in a large trough.
Anne, is Primula 'Johanna' hardy - would it survive alpine winters? It looks so relaxed and pretty against the rock in your trough
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This is Primula 'Johanna' in a large trough.
Ooooooh!
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This is Primula 'Johanna' in a large trough.
Anne, is Primula 'Johanna' hardy - would it survive alpine winters? It looks so relaxed and pretty against the rock in your trough
Robin, Primula 'Johanna' is named for the daughter of Henrik Zetterlund of Gothenburg Botanic Garden who made the hybrid. It is a cross between P. warshenewskiana and P. clarkei. These species come from the north west Himalayas and so are pretty hardy!
The plant is not so easy to find these days .....it has always been said by Henrik that the plant does best out of doors and split regularly to keep it robust and flowering well.
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I grew this Primula once upon a long time ago. At a guess it would be intolerant of very dry summer conditions, what say you Maggi & Anne?
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Yes, Tony... and very tasty to vine weevils...... but Anne has cracked it.... hers looks FAB!
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Very nice pictures from all!
While crocus fade :'( primulas appear :D...
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Johanna has been in that trough for about 8 or 9 years without splitting. The original compost was acidic to neutral, and I don't think I've ever fed it. P warshenewskiana grows at the end of the same trough. Now it has received all your kind comments, it will probably be the target of all the neighbourhood vine weevils!
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Forgot to say, it is on the north side of the house but does get sun from midday in summer, and I do try and keep that trough watered regularly.
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Very nice primula's everyone,
some that are flowering here now:
Primula auricula 'Argus'
Primula auricula 'Broadwell's gold'
Primula hirsuta ssp valcuvianensis (now flowering fully)
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Very nice, Wim. Your P.hirsuta valcuvianensis is a bit different to mine! I'll wait 'til its out a bit more before posting.
Some others:
P.rosea (cheap and cheerful, the sort of pink that glows in the dark).
P. gracilipes (just starting)
P. magasaefolia (Ian Christie dug it up from his garden for me last June, and it has been in flower continuously since)
In one of the cold frames.
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This is Primula 'Johanna' in a large trough.
Anne, is Primula 'Johanna' hardy - would it survive alpine winters? It looks so relaxed and pretty against the rock in your trough
Robin, Primula 'Johanna' is named for the daughter of Henrik Zetterlund of Gothenburg Botanic Garden who made the hybrid. It is a cross between P. warshenewskiana and P. clarkei. These species come from the north west Himalayas and so are pretty hardy!
The plant is not so easy to find these days .....it has always been said by Henrik that the plant does best out of doors and split regularly to keep it robust and flowering well.
Thanks for all the info Maggi - I think it's a beauty to be sought after and I have taken note of Anne's comments too.
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Lovely sight in your frame Giles.
Wim, did you expect your Primula hirsuta ssp. valcuvianensis to be that colour, or was it a surprise?
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David,
I expected it to look like that although I find it having a bit more blue in it's colour then the ones I see photographed on the net.
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This is what mine looks like at the moment....
also P. warshenewskiana - as it is SO pink.
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These are my P. hirsuta ssp. v. (Mte. Nudo, Italy) - older pics. Nearly all flowers have the same colour.
They seem to be a little difficult to grow for a long time. So you must grow them from seeds or repot often.
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Primula marginata (Italy)
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Hans,
your P. marginata is suberb 8)
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Lovely P. marginata Hans.
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A few more Primulas from the greenhouse today.
The first couple are of Primula auricula. Last year Hans Hoeller in Austria sent me a batch of cuttings from the wild Primulas he grows, (thank you Hans), and these are the first two to flower. I always think that the colour of Primula auricula takes a lot of beating in the plant world.
Next is a primula allionii hybrid 'Wharfedale Crusader'
Primula marginata 'White Linda Pope' nowadays seems to be called 'White Lady'. This one I originally bought as the proper 'Linda Pope'!
This one is the real Primula marginata 'Linda Pope' which some would say is a hybrid.
To finish Primula allionii x 'Aire Mist'. I'm fairly certain there is a botanical name for this particular plant but I can't find it.
As a grower of lots of Primula cultivars it is becoming more and more difficult to keep track of whether plants are, for example, marginata selections or marginata hybrids and it is just the same in the case of Primula allionii. Room for a new book here someone.
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David,
nice primulas!
I'm sad I lost my auricula after 5 years. Finally, did not like my heavy, loamy soil of my garden:'(
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Lovely shots, David. I really like that auricula, and White Linda Pope is very nice too!
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Primula farinosa (or is it frondosa?) and Primula auricula. Both raised from seed sent here by Franz Hadacek. Thanks Franz!
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Wow, there seems a real momentum building up on this thread now.
Tony, your P. auricula is particularly juicy - the rounded petal margins, and lack of paste around the corolla tube, being particularly classy.
I posted a pic of P.scapigera (a plant supposedly not in cultivation) with a single flower on, which I got from Cluny last year, and can now post
a much improved pic - it turned out quite a decent species.
Also a minute 'P.aureata fimbriata' (about 2cm diameter) picked up at Kevock a while back - again a supposedly impossible species down here which grows easily in my primula alley.
The 3rd one is P. sessilis, not much at the moment, but may get better later I guess. (from Lamberton, again supposedly not in cultivation).
4 thly a little collection of petiolarids, just to show what's out now.
(PP's bracteosa, scapigera, sonchifolia,sessilis, gracilipes,sinuata)
Tony I have no idea what your mystery primula is, I've pots full of little mauve jobs like that, all incorrectly labelled!
I've just realised I've been given a 'label' (!!) You flatter me enormously, Maggi, and I love it!
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Primula petiolaris. (Nice species from Ian McEnery.)
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FANTASTIC Pete.
Midlands petiolarid growers fight back.
WE MUST DISPEL THE MYTH THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT POSSIBLE.
LONG LIVE THE REOLUTION!!!!!!
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Or even the ReVolution ;)
I think you have got a good scheme at your place , Giles, to utilise your "primula alley"..... that will funnel cool air, and keep 'em shaded..... I would hope you'll have continued success with it.
Even here, in what feels again today like the frozen north, we are not having as much success with the asiatic primulas as we once enjoyed :'(
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P.clusiana
P.villosa infecta
P.pedemontana
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Some super show plants in the making there Giles!
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A few more Primulas from the greenhouse today.
The first couple are of Primula auricula. Last year Hans Hoeller in Austria sent me a batch of cuttings from the wild Primulas he grows, (thank you Hans), and these are the first two to flower. I always think that the colour of Primula auricula takes a lot of beating in the plant world.
These Primula auricula are so incredibly beautiful David and I'm wondering if they would grow here in my raised bed where I can create the conditions they like? I grew auricula in pots for many years but never in the ground before. Can you advise me?[/quote]
Next is a primula allionii hybrid 'Wharfedale Crusader'
Primula marginata 'White Linda Pope' nowadays seems to be called 'White Lady'. This one I originally bought as the proper 'Linda Pope'!
This one is the real Primula marginata 'Linda Pope' which some would say is a hybrid.
To finish Primula allionii x 'Aire Mist'. I'm fairly certain there is a botanical name for this particular plant but I can't find it.
As a grower of lots of Primula cultivars it is becoming more and more difficult to keep track of whether plants are, for example, marginata selections or marginata hybrids and it is just the same in the case of Primula allionii. Room for a new book here someone.
wild primroses grow well here at this height and in a wild part of our garden they are beginning to establish now the building has stopped!
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Hi Robin,
Primula auricula should do exceptionally well for you in your mountain setting - we have seen it thriving in the Bernese Oberland and, especially, on high exposed ridges in the Dolomites. A beautiful 'true' alpine of great merit.
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Thanks Cliff - I'm really pleased! ;D They are some of my favourite plants and it's good to know they would like it here! I'm slowly coming to grips with what will be happy in this environment and can see what will work in different parts of my mountain garden.
I have been through your photographic journals of the Dolomite trips in SRGC and the landscape is a stunning setting for the alpine plants
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Due to the warm weather (24°C) the first Primulas have started to flower.
All plants are grown from wild collected seed or are nameless hybrids from my garden.
7077 shows a dwarf form of spectabilis.
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Some pics more. The last 2 pics show clusiana.
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Nice!!!!
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Just gorgeous - against the grey of the rock the colour of the clusiana is beautiful - how long until they flowered from wild seed, Hans?
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To grow P. clusiana from seed is a little more difficult (compare auricula, allionii or hirsuta). They are growing very slowly and it takes time 3 (or 4) years until they will flower in my garden where I have very alpine conditions. Hirsuta, auricula,... will flower after 2 years.
Enclosed 2 pics of seedlings 2007 (these flowered in September 2008 and then in April 2009 - see pics).
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A couple of mine in flower both from Switzerland seed from 2001
Primula villosa a little slug eaten
Primula auricula
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Some primula's in flower in my garden:
Primula auricula 'Dale's red'
Primula auricula 'Dusky Yellow'
Primula auricula 'Rajah'
Primula rosea 'Grandiflora'
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....and a primula from the other side of the world (Japan).
P.kisoana alba.
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Keep 'em coming lads !
Great variety !
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Giles that is lovely,it is many years since I have seen it.
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To grow P. clusiana from seed is a little more difficult (compare auricula, allionii or hirsuta). They are growing very slowly and it takes time 3 (or 4) years until they will flower in my garden where I have very alpine conditions. Hirsuta, auricula,... will flower after 2 years.
Enclosed 2 pics of seedlings 2007 (these flowered in September 2008 and then in April 2009 - see pics).
But the wait is all the more satisfying when the resultant p. clusiana is as beautiful as yours are Hans
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I do love this thread. Lovely pictures during the past few days folks. Most of my Primula marginatas and pubescens are now beginning to look past their best but here are a couple of Primulas just coming into flower.
Primula 'Blue Wave' is the seed parent of a number of seedlings I have shown previously which I shall grow as P. x pubescens forms. In Primula and Auricula circles 'Blue Wave' is sometimes Shown as a pubescens and some times as a Border Auricula. From a size point of view it is, perhaps, on the large side for a pubescens.
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I now grow very few Auriculas but I have kept those I have grown from seed. This is one of them which was grown from open pollinated seed from Alpine Auriculas, however it wouldn't qualify as an Alpine Auricula as it has farina on the leaves (Alpine Auriculas must have no farina on leaves or petals). I think it has a reasonable form and will make a good garden Auricula.
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David, the blue one is a stunner!
Here are two white primroses which I want to add here:
1. Primula hirsuta alba
2. Primula marginata ' Casterino '
Gerd
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I agree with Gerd, David, Blue Wave has bowled me over !!
Gerd, the hirsuta looks brilliant !
Showed this one in the flowering now thread as well, but I guess it has it's place here as well...
Primula auricula 'Van Delft'.... Luit ??? ;)
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David, really enjoyed your wonderful photos of your auriculas - Blue Wave is the most stunning indigo colour I have ever seen - like Bristol blue glass :)
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Yes, David, your 'Blue Wave' is very nice! I have 'Bluebell' a much lighter colour than yours. On the screen it looks to be an ultramarine blue. Here is Bluebell:
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2 Primula allionii from Italy/France
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You are up bright and early Hans ... and posting some lovely things.
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Many lovely primulas, thanks to all posters. The white kisoana is especially nice, so elegant. I like the more usual form but find its colour a little well, vulgar, actually. :-\
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Two photographed today in my garden:
Primula auricula 'Blue Velvet'
Primula x pubescens 'Freedom'
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Very nice Wim.
A couple of my Auriculas today.
The first is a Yellow Self 'Coventry Street' one of the few named varieties I now grow.
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The second is a Dark Self I have grown from seed. For my record purposes it has a code 09-04-03
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David,
both are lovely. The second is almost black 8) :o
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Now the Primula saison has started and nearly all plants are flowering
Primula auricula x hirsuta (from seed near Innsbruck)
hirsuta (Italy, Jaufenpaß)
auricula seedling (x hirsuta)
allionii hybrid (white)
allionii x marginata (Fritz Kummert)
hirsuta seedling
allionii alba (Italy)
villosa seedling
allionii (Italy)
clusiana (Austria)
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Today bloom P. auricula Star Flower.
Your collection is beautiful.
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Ewelina,
wow, very interesting :o 8)
Hans,
like your P.hirsuta seedling 8)
Very nice.
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Some more interesting... :)
1. Bella Zana
2. Blue Chip
3. Brookfield
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Superb :o 8) 8) 8)
Congratulations!
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Lovely display Hans.
Ewelina, you have some beautiful plants. The flower head on Bella Zana is magnificent.
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It is difficult to choose the most beautiful, but Bella Zana is really extraordinary. I like all with meal on the leaves.
Thank you for your comments.
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Not sure if anyone can help this was grown from seed J.J 145. the flower is less than half inch across and stem is 8 inches high.
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Derek,
Try http://www.primulaworld.com/PWWeb/Index.shtml
Have a look at P.szechuanica and P.orbicularis and see what you think.
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It's very pretty Derek whatever it is.
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A lot will depend on the foliage Derek. Can you show us that please?
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A lot will depend on the foliage Derek. Can you show us that please?
Lesley sorry only just seen your post this photo shows the leaves, Derek
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Closer to orbicularis then, than szechuanica.
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My Primula carniolica caused doubt in some minds last year. The leaves seem to be right but John Richardes describes the flower as pink with a mealy ring on the throat. No mealy ring on mine.
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Another of the 'named' Auriculas I keep, Alpine Auricula 'Divind Dunch' bred by one of the doyens of Auricula breeding, Derek Telford. Derek is a 'Geordie' (ie. born in the Newcastle area though he nows lives in Huddersfield my home town and that is why I kept the plant) and roughly translated from the Geordie dialect divint dunch means 'don't push'
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David,
Your P.carniolica looks like the one on the Primulaworld website - that's good enough for me!
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Thanks Giles, I've just had a look. Of the four pictures the fourth one doesn't look anything like mine, the others do but have the mealy ring around the eye.
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Primula calderiana subsp. strumosa
Primula lilacina
(apologies, very dull weather here today)
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Two lovely examples Giles. I haven't seen lilacina before, any chance of seeing the leaves please?
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David,
The leaves are totally different to P.flaccida.
They have a pale green glossy upper surface, and a felty undersurface with farina.
Note the subliminal advertising for a well known Scottish nursery!!!
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Some Primulas from my garden, all grown from seed.
Primula x pubescens (Gschnitztal/near Innsbruck, seed of a P. hirsuta)
P. latifolia (France)
P. hybrid of P. auricula (looks like "Pear Drop" or "Old Red Dusty Miller")
P. auricula (Upper Austria)
P. hirsuta seedling
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Thank you Giles it looks a lovely little plant.
Hans, a beautiful selection.
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....having posted those pictures, I'm just hoping 'forensics' can't match the fingerprint.....
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....having posted those pictures, I'm just hoping 'forensics' can't match the fingerprint.....
'Evenin' all!
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...........if only I could think of a suitably witty riposte .........(but I can't!!!!!)...
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Just draw a face on it ;) ;)
Eric
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Flowering today in the woodland garden- the plant I have always grown as Primula cortusoides. I have been growing it from it's own seed, for nearly 20 years now. The original was from Chilterns Seed- so forgive me if it is misnamed.
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It's very nicely grown Simon.
Here's something nice.
Pinky and perky..
(Primula gracilipes)
and a Primula hirsuta.
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Fine plants everyone.
Here P. simensis
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Interesting and fine species - thanks for the pic!
Gerd
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The Primula lilacina looks abit more convincing today.
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Fine plants everyone.
Here P. simensis
The grey leaves with the lemon yellow of the flower head of this primula held so high are really outstanding - I imagine it likes full sun and would love to grow it here?
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The grey leaves with the lemon yellow of the flower head of this primula held so high are really outstanding - I imagine it likes full sun and would love to grow it here?
With me it prefers light shade and to be kept fairly cool but watered sparingly. There should be abundant seed in due course Robin so PM me with your address if you're interested.
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The grey leaves with the lemon yellow of the flower head of this primula held so high are really outstanding - I imagine it likes full sun and would love to grow it here?
With me it prefers light shade and to be kept fairly cool but watered sparingly. There should be abundant seed in due course Robin so PM me with your address if you're interested.
Thanks for the offer, Ashley, will be in touch when I've found out more about growing it from seed as I need to provide the right conditions..
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Some for me very interesting Primulas
Primula auricula auricula (wild, Austria) x marginata (leaves from a typical auricula)
Primula auricula ciliata (a very tiny plant from Italy)
A typical seedling of the Austrian auricula in the garden
Primula albenensis
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Very nice Hans, I particularly liked your Primula auricula x P. marginata.
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A few more Auriculas.
The first is a Border(Garden) Auricula 'Eden Blue Star' which has never been a strong grower for me and is still in a pot.
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The only Double Auricula I grow is 'Lincoln Sparkler' and I never seem to be able to get it to flower strongly. Oh!, and it's not as 'fuzzy' as my picture would suggest!
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The remaining two I grew from Alpine Auricula seed and as they were not Alpine Auriculas I planted them out in the garden and they seem to have done reasonably well apart from some soil splashes on the frilly pinky/white one.
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I remain puzzled with all these primulas!!
I have several 'albenensis' from different sources, and several 'recubariensis' too.
By the strict botanical criteria they are all true, but look very different!!
Anyway, here comes:
P.recubariensis
P. grignensis (not recognised as a distinct species by some authorities)
P. x loiseleurii 'Coy' (from Martijn)
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Ashley,
What did you do with your P.simensis over the Winter?
I got rather fed up with mine, and left it out over the cold weather - it survived a foot of snow, and temps down to -15 C -and admittedly I was surprised
it survived at all!
(and it doesn't exactly look as inspiring as yours !!).
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Wow Giles - what a daring experiment :o ;D
Mine just lurks in a sand tray on the greenhouse floor, out of the way and rather neglected.
A month or so ago I finally rescued and potted up some seedlings from the sand.
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Ashley,
What did you do with your P.simensis over the Winter?
I got rather fed up with mine, and left it out over the cold weather - it survived a foot of snow, and temps down to -15 C -and admittedly I was surprised
it survived at all!
(and it doesn't exactly look as inspiring as yours !!).
Well there's hope for me then as if this lovely P simensis can survive all the winter can throw at it then I'll definitely have a go ;D
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Robin - unless you want to be locked up for cruelty to poor innocent plants, I really wouldn't recommend 'my' treatment.
Having seen Ashley's fine plant, I rushed out and rescued it, repotted it, and put it in the greenhouse! ;)
(and I see my 'name' has changed again ;D)
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Wonderful primulas! 8) :o 8)
Congratulations!
Enclosed one wild parent of many beautiful garden hybrids - Primula elatior - .
The picture was taken during a trip in the Eifel mountains.
If you like to see more wild Primulas, Pulsatilla, Narcissus ect., please click http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3424.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3424.0) ;)
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I don't know P. lilacina at all. It looks like a sort of poor man's P. flaccida but I haven't seen the foliage yet. The farina on the stem looks to be outstanding.
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Wonderful primulas! 8) :o 8)
Congratulations!
Enclosed one wild parent of many beautiful garden hybrids - Primula elatior - .
The picture was taken during a trip in the Eifel mountains.
If you like to see more wild Primulas, Pulsatilla, Narcissus ect., please click http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3424.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3424.0) ;)
Thanks for posting this image of P elatior in the wild - this is the sort of effect I think would work on my steep, wild, half-sunny, moist bank at the back of our chalet - I love the view up into plants above you as you pass below.. I shall enjoy a trip to your link later Armin
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Robin - unless you want to be locked up for cruelty to poor innocent plants, I really wouldn't recommend 'my' treatment.
Having seen Ashley's fine plant, I rushed out and rescued it, repotted it, and put it in the greenhouse! ;)
(and I see my 'name' has changed again ;D)
Giles, I have nothing but goodwill to all plants and it seems you do too; even though they can be very puzzling at times ;D
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(and I see my 'name' has changed again ;D)
My, so it has!! ;D ::)
I'm glad you rescued that abused primula , Giles.... not sporting treatment forthe poor thing ..... I believe you have been fortunate to get away with that treatment... I'd have expected it to die overwinter outside.
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Flowering today- Primula species Chola Shan, China. Any ideas?
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Lesley,
The P.lilacina is easier to grow than P.flaccida.
It has tough leaves. The soft hairy leaves of P.flaccida tend to wilt and rot in hot weather with me.
It was only 'discovered' a couple of years ago.
Giles
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A new auricula blooming now. It is not so intense as the foto, but a strong green-yellow. I can't seem to really grow these plants, but the few I keep going I simply love! :-\
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Primula auricula ssp. monacensis (grows in moors)
Primula x grignensis (Grigna, Italy)
Primula auricula alba
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Could someone please name this Primula in the Petiolaris Section , could it be a hybrid? It flowers in spring and again now in autumn here ,
thanks Otto.
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Could it be a form of P.boothii?
Some flower both Spring and Autumn.
The leaves look like mine, but mine has never flowered.
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Thanks Giles - I also now think that boothii could be the correct name - I imported a
plant of it many years ago from Scotland , but the name vanished from the label.
It grows very easily here in lots of leafmould ,shadeand moisture and flowers freely
each spring and again in autumn.
Otto
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2 primulas:
1. P.kisoana
2. I've no idea. (It reminds me of earwigs!).I've put it on the AGS website for JR to have a look at.
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These little guys were passed on to me from a friend in Krefeld. I know they are common, but I have forgotten the name. Lovely little affairs that are already seeding around after a season. Can someone provide a name. I really should put a little tag beside them.
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Jamie,
They're Primula sieboldii.
Very classy primulas - the Japanese are very keen on them.
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Thanks, Giles,
I can see why the Japanese are fond of them. They have an elegant simplicity coupled with clarity of colour.
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Giles, your unknown primula was at the Perth Show..... let me think...... :-X
Perth Show 2009, page 1 reply No. 8 : Primula yuparensis
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3412.0
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Thankyou Maggi - it looks spot on.
I've just found another weird one:
Primula iljinskii
(I can't confirm this one - as all I've found is a bad line drawing in Halda's book - it hasn't made it to primulaworld yet)
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Never heard of or seen P. iljinski, Giles! ???
Pretty flower but the foliage looks like a cross between a bellis perennis and a lewisia.... very odd!
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A lot will depend on the foliage Derek. Can you show us that please?
Lesley sorry only just seen your post this photo shows the leaves, Derek
Derek,
I was looking through the Primulaworld index and found P. handeliana. It looks like a dead ringer for your curious yellow. Check it out.
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A lot will depend on the foliage Derek. Can you show us that please?
Lesley sorry only just seen your post this photo shows the leaves, Derek
Derek,
I was looking through the Primulaworld index and found P. handeliana. It looks like a dead ringer for your curious yellow. Check it out.
This one? ( Derek's primula question from earlier in the month)
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yep, that's the little beauty!
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A wild collected Primula auricula (Totes Gebirge, 2000m). This Primula changed the colour after 10 years! Any idea?
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The only things I can think of that might lead to a colour change, (apart from mutation), would be: Virus; Temperature; pH; Mineral Nutrition;
Light Intensity. I can't believe that any of them would be likely though, Hans. It's a mystery 8)