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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: mark smyth on January 09, 2009, 02:38:23 PM
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Here's C. kesselringii in it's natural form and white form
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awesome pix Mark !!! :o :o
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Camera and sunny day! The blue sky is a perfect backdrop
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Marvellous photos, Mark.
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The first flowers to show color in my bulb bed is as always the white Colchicum szovitsii. Today it looked like this.
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very nice indeed Mark both the plants and the photographs.its not one I have grown and I definitely prefer the normal form.
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Next time I have spares Tony I'll try and remember you.
Kenneth you Colchicum szovitsii are well ahead of mine. I must go and put out some slug pellets because they ate mine last year.
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Mark,
Great, those C. kesselringii. Beautiful. I never saw a white form!
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Kenneth, nice Colchicum szovitsii. Could you please tell me how you grow them. I got one last year but I'm not sure if it was put into the right conditions.
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It is planted in a well drained, raised bed in full sun. In the bottom of the bed is a layer of gravel, over it a layer of rich compost and at the top 5- 10 cm of pure sand. The bulb is planted in sand so that the roots can reach down into the compost.
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Thanks, Kenneth. :)
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Kenneth,
Your growing way seems very nice. Do you apply this for all bulbs or only for colchicum? or only for C. szovitsii?
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Is this Colchicum really munzurae ? (Paul Christian origin)
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I use that way to grow most of the summer resting bulbs. It is a must in our rainy climate. (But it does not always help anyway)
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I can't find the old Colchicum thread so I am opening a new one.
The first spring colchicum here.
Colchicum hungaricum albiflorum.
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I can't find the old Colchicum thread so I am opening a new one.
The first spring colchicum here.
Colchicum hungaricum albiflorum.
I think it is a bit too soon for talk of Spring, Michael ( :o 8)) ....so I have merged your page with the existing Colchicum thread and re-named it!
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Well, some more pic !!
From Colchicum pusillum, Crete.
(http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/84/35/03/30090810.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=289&u=11843503)
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Hi Fred!
Very late for Colchicum pusillum - is it sooo late each year?
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Very narrow foliage for pusillum.
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Now then, Friends, here is a Colchicum puzzle for you..... A forumist in the Southern hemisphere was given bulbs from a friend to grow and identify but is having trouble doing so..... an experience I can certainly sympathise with regarding Colchicum!!
Some progress has been made in that some years ago our friend found that the original collector of these bulbs was Henning Chrisstiansen, who remembered sending, "DownUnder" some bulbs collected Puerto del Pico Western Spain on April 5th 1971. Trouble is how to indentify them!
" I have a tiny corm about half an inch long ( 13mm ) that has flowered and set seed which I am now growing. The next one is up in size but the tiny flowers pale pink--- I can't tell the difference. There wasa coll. no. HC1051 --Henning thought the first one was lusitanicum but I cannot see any faint chequering.. According to my information lusitanicum is 4-6cm long Anther deep yellow style short and pale. Leaves appear in winter. But all my flowers are very small and short.
The other numbers are ABS4362 WC 2080 -- can anyone help with an idea of who these collectors ABS and WC were/are? And has anyone ID for these collection numbers ? "
Here's hoping some one on the Forum can help!
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Thoams,
It's not in flower now !! ;D
Picture was taken on october!
Anthony,
I think C. pusillum has narrow leaves no ?
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Maggi, ABS stands for Archibald, Blanchard and Salmon.
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Thoams,
It's not in flower now !! ;D
Picture was taken on october!
Anthony,
I think C. pusillum has narrow leaves no ?
See top of this page Fred.
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My Colchicum hirsutum were flatten by heavy rain over night.
One bulb of C. hungaricum is producing many flowers
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No matter how hard I try, I can't get it to rain in my greenhouse. ::)
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I can,it drips in everywhere in spite of my best efforts to stop it.
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They were outside.
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Very floriferous C. hungaricum Mark !!
Good value !
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I just realised I posted these in the wrong place. It's now 2009. doh!
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No you didn't Mark. You're brave growing these outside.
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That's where all my Colchicums grow or are kept in pots. Those in pots come in while in flower and then go out again.
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Here are a few more forced to open today
luteum x kessellringii - I cross pollinated both parents in my own collection last year but no seed was set.
luteum 'Vahsh'
luetum 'Minion' - brownish tube
'Vahsh' and 'Minion' at the back
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Ah, a Colchicum luteum that opens its petals. Do you grow these in pots outside too Mark?
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Yes. Do yours not open? These were open today when I got home from work but I brought them in to open them further. They are on my display table facing south.
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I have never seen luteum with its petals open. The one I had was so pitiful I killed it with neglect. :(
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These were open today when I got home from work but I brought them in to open them further. They are on my display table facing south.
I think it's a SUN thing.... we just don't get enough! Our glasshouses are in the wrong place at this time of year :P ::)
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Awesome pix Mark !!
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Thanks Luc, but it has to be the camera and the weather
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A colchicum flowering for the first time with me. It is small and delicate in flower.It is from Nemrut Dag in the SE of Turkey and I have been unable to decide which species it is. Jim in Delaware has sent me the latest keys but I have not yet recorded the corm tunics and so will have to investigate when repotting.
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Here is my C. luteum, increasing each year.
(http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/84/35/03/710.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=371&u=11843503)
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Must get some more. ::)
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What lovely bright happy blooms - I must increase my meagre collection with these beauties.
Pat T
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Fred that is a beautiful one!!!
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Fred is your C. luteum in the open garden? Maybe I'll plant mine out. Brilliant photo of Crocus baytopiorum in the Crocus thread.
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Yes Mark,
It's in the open garden since many years, and it seems to be very happy.
I also have some in pot, in the frame, growing well.
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Fred - a beautiful picture of your Colchicum luteum - is it in flower in the open now? It is very early, isn`t it?
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Yes hans,
it's in flower now, last year 20/01, and in 2007 : 15/01 !
Winter was cold but it's warmer now and a lot of bulbs are growing quickly, outside and in the frame.
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Thanks Fred - so could be a wonderful/strange sight together with Sternbergia candida ::) Should try to grow this species here...
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Thank you Mark Tony and Fred for the pics. Mine luteum are always under ground in the garden;
Tony, is your Colchicum perhaps szovitzii ( page 8 of this thread, reply 112)?
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Dominique
no it is not C.szovitsii, I tried the key in Flora of Turkey and it did not fit. In any case its growing conditions were completly wrong.i found it on a dry hillside and C. szovitsii grows almost sumberged in water at flowering time.
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Hans
I grow Sternbergia candida outdoors in the garden and it has not frozen (-11). Leaves have to day 3cm over the ground
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Thank you Mark Tony and Fred for the pics. Mine luteum are always under ground in the garden;
Tony, is your Colchicum perhaps szovitzii ( page 8 of this thread, reply 112)?
Mine is always underground too Dom-in a pot, I can never get it to flower.
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Here is my Colchicum hungaricum albiflorum, I posted this last week with only one flower showing.
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Lovely Michael, and a cracking picture as well.
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I think everyone in to bulbs should grow C. hungaricum. I used to have the pink one but since planting it out there has been no sign of it.
I have a Colchicum roaming/running across one of my troughs. I only noticed it in flower when the sun was about to set. Does anyone know it? I can spare some in the summer if you remind me
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Nice little Colchicum Mark.
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Michael make a note in your diary to remind me
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Anthony, this is from the heat of the sun today. Do you have a sunny area of your garden? I bought an aluminium stage from B&Q, very cheap, and have it straddled over a raised bed when choice plants can see the sun.
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Colchicum szovitsii has finally decided to grow and open
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A particularly nice white flower with green bits you have there, Mark! ;)
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Very nice Mark ! Any idea how tall the leaves grow ??
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Luc, I dont pay attention to Colchicum leaves. If you want them we have to be willing to put up with the leaves. I can nswer you query in the summer if you can wait.
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I realise these poor things look ratty, but you have to give them points for stamina. This clump of C. autumnale alboplena (I think) has been in flower continuously since September.
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Very nice Mark ! Any idea how tall the leaves grow ??
They would be smallish - rather like cupanii I think?
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I realise these poor things look ratty, but you have to give them points for stamina. This clump of C. autumnale alboplena (I think) has been in flower continuously since September.
I'd give them points for more than stamina, Anne, you really have to salute a plant which will give that kind of service at this time of year! And probably only able to do that because it is double ... no sex, no death :-\ :-X
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Very nice Mark ! Any idea how tall the leaves grow ??
They would be smallish - rather like cupanii I think?
Thanks Anthony - it is now on my wants list... ;)
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Anthony, the leaves would be larger. The flower is about the same size as Tulipa humilis
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But not like the big weeds that take over a flower bed. I bought Colchicum graecum from PC because he said it would grow nicely with Leucojum autumnale. Aye right! ::) My Yucca has smaller leaves. :o
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the last babies !!!
Colchicum kesselringii
Colchicum munzurae
Colchicum szovitzii Tivi
Colchicum szovitzii Tivi
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VERY beautiful plants Dom, specially Colchicum kesselringii :o
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Nice plants Dominique ! as usual !
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This photo shows the lovely green tube of Colchicum szovitsii.
One of my very dark C. kessellringiis. I really need to get a tiny paint brush to cross this with C. luteum.
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Nice colchicums, Dominique.
As I mostly like goblet shapes with rounded petals, colchicum szovitsii is more appealing to me. Here bisides common pink and less common white forms of it, there are sometimes bi-coloured (white with pink edges) and dark pink forms with dark tubes (as with colchicum speciosum Atrorubens) accur in nature. Though I never seen them offered in trade.
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Here are my first Colchicum kesselringii :
'MY CHOICIE'
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/eos5dm27.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=418&u=11843503)
And a white form : 'SNOW OF HIGHLAND' which I found quite different in shape from the type
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/eos5dm28.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=419&u=11843503)
They don"t want to open widely....it's a bit cloudy here today ;)
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Those are very well grown.
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Fred what lovely photos.
Pat
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Here is Colchicum triphyllum , waiting for some warmth to open
Gerd
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splendid group Gerd !
Isuppose you grow theml in a glasshouse or bulb frame ??
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What a lovely group of delightful plants. 8)
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splendid group Gerd !
Isuppose you grow theml in a glasshouse or bulb frame ??
Yes, they are in a glasshouse. Same conditions as for south Iberian/Moroccan daffodils - totally dry in summer.
Gerd
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Not one I've tried, but it is lovely pics like this that really bring them to ones attention.
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My first white form of Colchicum hungaricum is just flowering now.
Pretty flower with nice white border on the leaves :)
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/eos5dm32.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=424&u=11843503)
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Wonderful plant and pic Fred, as usual :o
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I second Ashley here Fred ! Gorgeous pic and plant !
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Here is now the pink form, named 'VELEBIT STAR', of Colchicum hungaricum.
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/colchi10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=427&u=11843503)
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Gee wizz Fred, those pics are almost 3D, especially the white form! 8) :o
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May we enquire about your camera please, Fred?
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May we enquire about your camera please, Fred?
I have it on good authority that while Fred's camera did a sneezing fit last month, it is now in the rudest of health... as can be amply demonstrated by his photographs...... ;D ;D ;)
Sorry, couldn't help myself !!!
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What are you Leica, Maggi? :D
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Maggi's Nikon my jokes! ::)
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Cliff, I love plants and also photography.
I have a CANON 5DMKII with macro lenses or wide angles.
But you know, the secret of a picture is to take time, no more difficult :)
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Fred I just did a google search. You are a serious photographer!!! :o Well the photos tell us that anyway.
The photos are superb.
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Many thanks for the information, Fred ... another silly question ... are you satisfied with this very expensive piece of kit ... anything you would change (apart from the price, of course)?
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A friend of mine gets his 5D MkII this week. He reckons there are only 5 in the whole of Scotland! :o How does he know that? ::) Serious bit of kit and less than half the price of the 24.5mp Nikon D3x.
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Cliff, the body is really good, the main problem is now with lenses which are not good enough in my opinion !
The construction is a bit too light for me for travel but... what can I do ?
CANON 1DS or NIKON D3X are too expensive without increasing picture's quality ???
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Absolutely stunning plants and pics Fred. Thank you
Dom
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Colchicum szovitsii 'Tivi' started flowering here. :D
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A nice little potful of Colchicum hungaricum Valentinum
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Fred,
Your photos are just stunning! What a quality!!! I get great pleasure out of looking at them. Indeed, good camera, 'shows it character'.
ArneM,
Your colchicum szovitsii 'Tivi' is pleasant. I am testing some native merenderas and colchiucums under cold glass and now some pink forms are in bloom. I am lazy to photograph, but always forget my camera, when go to my glass house. Will do it soon. The most exciting for me, is see ing colchicum szovitsii var, giganteum 'Alla's Giant' - a huge plant that we selected among ordinary plants in nature. I passionately wait when it will decide to increase vegetatively.
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My 'Tivi' is growing outside. I hope this tiny plant will do well.
Boyed,
Please don't be so lazy, I am quite excited about your giant szovitsii and the other ones. :D
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My 'Tivi' is growing outside. I hope this tiny plant will do well.
Boyed,
Please don't be so lazy, I am quite excited about your giant szovitsii and the other ones. :D
ArneM,
All bulbs of Armenian origin are very hardy and can even survive frosts -35C. So you can freely grow your colchicums outside. They are quite easy in the garden.
I will make some photographs of native colchicums to show in the forum. The giant form of colchicum szovitsii is not in bloom yet, but if you're interested I can show last year's pics until it blooms this season.
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... but if you're interested I can show last year's pics until it blooms this season.
Yes, please post some pictures from last year. :)
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Colchicum doerfleri in the bulbframe today.
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Never seen it before !
Thank's.
Look's great and fine foliage too.
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Colchicum hungaricum and C. doerfleri flower for some days in my meadow.
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I have hungarium outside in a trough. I should have added more bulbs when I was doing them.
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I have spilt off the posts from January to this new thread.... and here is a photo from our friend Viggo in Norway, showing a good form of Colchicum szovitsii 'Vardahovit' that he got from Janis a couple of years ago. It seems to be increasing well.....
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Apologies for the fact that this page now seems to have been read by a very few people.... the view count stayed with the old page!
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hats off to Maggi! ;D
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Merenedera trigyna pink form blooming under cold glass.
(http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0903/dd/df7e903daa82t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s39.radikal.ru/i085/0903/dd/df7e903daa82.jpg.html) (http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0903/1f/9e5bee5b7a03t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s54.radikal.ru/i143/0903/1f/9e5bee5b7a03.jpg.html)
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Especially for ArneM, some photos of colchisum szovitsii
1. colchicum szovitsii in wild
2. colchicum szovitsii in wild
3. colchicum szovitsii dark form
4. colchicum szovitsii in my place
5. colchicum szovitsii in my place
6. very nice form of c. szovitsii with long tubes growing in St. peterburg Botanical garden
7. colchicum szovitsii (giant form) - very showy huge specimen equaling in sisez to autumn-blooming colchicum byzantinum. It seems to be polyploid, doesn't set seeds, has very big bulbs and produce from 2 to 3 beautiful flowers. the ordinary samples produce up to 20 blooms from very large bulbs.
8. colchicum szovitsii (giant form)
(http://i070.radikal.ru/0903/57/84caba3790c0t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i070.radikal.ru/0903/57/84caba3790c0.jpg.html) (http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0903/6e/a0a451eb8db3t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s48.radikal.ru/i119/0903/6e/a0a451eb8db3.jpg.html) (http://s61.radikal.ru/i171/0903/11/d8e898466289t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s61.radikal.ru/i171/0903/11/d8e898466289.jpg.html) (http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0903/be/ba1b06300d6dt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s51.radikal.ru/i131/0903/be/ba1b06300d6d.jpg.html) (http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/0903/85/5da92071ff50t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s42.radikal.ru/i095/0903/85/5da92071ff50.jpg.html) (http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0903/64/e8ad4ef157d0t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i164/0903/64/e8ad4ef157d0.jpg.html) (http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0903/2b/ee3c5b683a65t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s46.radikal.ru/i113/0903/2b/ee3c5b683a65.jpg.html) (http://s42.radikal.ru/i096/0903/32/821a4b0a98b9t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s42.radikal.ru/i096/0903/32/821a4b0a98b9.jpg.html)
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This clump was seen in a great plantsman's garden last weekend, Colchicum kesselringii.
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This clump was seen in a great plantsman's garden last weekend, Colchicum kesselringii.
OOH! Lovely plant!
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Colchicum falcifolium in the bulb frame and a somewhat squashed kesselringii 'Prosperity' newly emerged from the snow.
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In 2007 I seperated my Colchicum kessellringii bulbs in to seperate troughs. Maybe I'll bring them back together :-\
Colchicum mirzovae - I must buy more of this little beauty
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I'm speechless :o
What a lot of stuning plants and pics of Colchicum
Every day I discover new species : thank's to all of forumists ;)
And special thank's to Boyed for wild pics !
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So many nice colchicums. Thanks Boyed! :D
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Perhaps someone would be so kind as to give me a correct name for this little colchicum, bearing in mind that we are just starting autumn and this is the first. It was rescued with 30 brothers and sisters from a paddock a year ago, in flower and the patch where it came from is in full flower now. I'm assuming it is probably C. autumnale as where its parent patch is, was once an old farmhouse, long gone now but various plants are still in what was the garden. It is unlikely that anything more exotic than C. autumnale was growing here perhaps 100 or more years ago.
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Merendera mirzoevae in my Ukrainian friend's garden
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This clump was seen in a great plantsman's garden last weekend, Colchicum kesselringii.
Thomas - this must be the clump in Erich Pasche 's garden ?
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Lovely pics guys. Thanks for sharing them. ;D I like the clumps of the varied Colchicum szovitsii etc. I like that little Colchicum mirzovae too Mark. Do you grow that in a trough too? I'm beginning to be brave and put more outside. I think the secret must be very free draining gritty compost?
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[/Thomas - this must be the clump in Erich Pasche 's garden ?
You're right, Otto :-*
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(I've already posted this to the Southern Hemisphere Thread but thought I'd repeat it here)
Hi everyone, Otto has asked me to post some pics for him;
first some colchicums:
Colchicum "Violet Queen"
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Colchicum davisii from Greece
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And one he got as Colchicum liparochiadys
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he got it as seed from the Moscow Botanic Gardens in 1968 labelled Colchicum liparochiadys Woronow ex Czerniak but can't verify the name; can any aficionados please help?
cheers
fermi on behalf of Otto.
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Would someone please confirm or deny Colchicum autumnale for mine, posted above please. I can't believe no one knows it! :)
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Two Colchicum enjoying the sun of yesterday
1. Colchicum trigynum (or as some might say Merendera trigyna)
2. Colchicum hungaricum 'Velebit Star'
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Perhaps someone would be so kind as to give me a correct name for this little colchicum, bearing in mind that we are just starting autumn and this is the first. It was rescued with 30 brothers and sisters from a paddock a year ago, in flower and the patch where it came from is in full flower now. I'm assuming it is probably C. autumnale as where its parent patch is, was once an old farmhouse, long gone now but various plants are still in what was the garden. It is unlikely that anything more exotic than C. autumnale was growing here perhaps 100 or more years ago.
Sorry, Lesley.... I had been looking at your pictures and I was undecided...... now I'm jumping off the fence and saying that I think these are Colchicum byzantinum ..... "ye olde hybrid" known for hundreds of years in the trade .... the styles with the shepherd's crook purple tips are the giveaway.
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Really Maggi? Well that's quite exciting for me. I've not seen byzantinum before. I'll zip out and put a label on it. There are a dozen or so out now, quite pale pink as they emerge, with deeper tips, then opening to a nice pinky/purple. Unfortunately a certain large dog has taken to using the patch as a toilet. I've applied cayenne pepper.
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Just posting some pics from Otto which I've already posted to the "April in the SH" thread,
"Now for some colchicums,
A C. speciosum with a large white centre,
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C. polyphyllum,
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C. lusitanicum,
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And lastly one he got as C. troodii (=C. decaisnei) JJA Seed 2002, col. HATAY, Turkey.
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But which Otto thinks is definately not C. decaisnei as it has very long stigmas and a pale line down the centre of each tepal - is it C. cilicicum? I'll also post this to the ID section.
cheers
fermi on behalf of Otto."
And from our Redesdale garden, here's the first flower up on Colchicum bivonae grown from AGS Seedex many years ago!
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cheers
fermi
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Sorry , Fermi -your bivonae {syn. bowlesianum ] is certainly not that species , it is
a larger species ,deeper in colour -tesselated with a white centre.
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Sorry , Fermi -your bivonae {syn. bowlesianum ] is certainly not that species , it is
a larger species ,deeper in colour -tesselated with a white centre.
Thanks, Otto, after posting the pic I read Marcus's description in his new seedlist and realised that it didn't fit the picture. Any suggestions as to what it might be? C. corsicum?
cheers
fermi
P.S. if anyone wants a copy of Marcus Harvey's seedlist (yes, he will post to overseas) please send me a PM.
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Here is the Fermi's first colchicum taken yesterday from Lake Abant
C. speciosum syn bornmüelleri Abant
C. szovitsii almost in the water!
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Super !!
This is the never ending story ;D
Fall is comming .... 8)
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Yes Maggie C.lusitanicum HC 1051 is very faintly chequered. Rosy pink 4to6cm anthers dp yellow, Style short and pale. Leaves appear in winter.