Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: mark smyth on March 02, 2007, 10:04:30 PM
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I'll start this new month with a rubbish photo taken on a very dull day. At 7.30 this morning there was bright sunshine and not a cloud in the sky. By 8.45 it was gone and has stayed like it all day
A stand of N. cyclamineus
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This photos hopefully show how 'Candlepower' changes colour
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and lastly a Narcissus that stands 7inches / 18cm and too big for a trough yet it's in one. The trough has been in place two years but there was no flower last year. I may have recycled bulb mix into the trough thinking the bulb had died. I then didnt notice the leaves last year. Does anyone know what this Narcissus could be?
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Now that's how I like to see Narcissus cyclamineus :) I have four flowering - two in a pot with a Cyclamen purpurescens. The thing is I can't remember which was supposed to be in that pot as the label has gone ???
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What a super stand of them Mark? Are they yours? That's just how they always should be.
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if only! I have 12. They belong to Bob Gordon over here
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Don't know what your mystery plant is, Mark, but it's nice!
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Guess what? The second N. eugenae seedling has opened! What an odd couple ???
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Are they as short as they look?
I dont think 'Elka' is my mystery Narcissus. 'Elka' below
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That's a 10cm x 1cm (4") label in the pot.
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Here's Narcissus cantabricus petunioides and a little stunner
Narcissus bulbocodium nivalis - I have this labelled as "Morocco form" - not sure how this differs from the norm? This one almost approaches hedraeanthus with its exerted stamens
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Diane - your N cantabricus is lovely but not very petunioid. Here is one I made earlier - a seedling from some N cantabricus clusii that I raised years ago from AGS seed. I have not seen it this year though :(
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i know a garden where thousands of Narcissus cyclamineus are growing.... maybe not so special , but i like this strange plant...
Wim
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maybe not so special , but I like this strange plant
Wim, I believe N. cyclamineous to be a very special plant! Some people may find it easy, and our SRGC President said just that when he gave a talk to our group last week, but we have never really found it to be EASY, and I do not think we are alone!
There are a few lucky people with good populations of this charming flower, but it is not readily available in any number in commerce, from my experience, and many say how tricky it is to establish. I see Gene M says he gives his some lime... perhaps this is the secret? Any other opinions about that?
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We also have difficulty with N. cyclamineus, but not with its cultivars!
A few years ago we visited at National Trust for Scotland garden about 10 miles south of Oban (cann't remeber the name) and they had a wonderful sweep of cyclamineous in the grass beneath some trees.
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Nothing is easy-they either like you and thrive or don't and die!!!
Narcissus radinganorum was collected by Margaret and Henry Taylor and donated to the SRGC seed exchange.
It was sown Jan 04 and this is its first flowering.
In the monograph on Narcissus by John Blanchard in the AGS journal volume 66 No. 3 he tells us that it is found North of Almansa. He describes it as having stems of 13-15cm but on this first time of flowering is only about 6cm. He suggests that it should not be regarded as a species in its own right but as a ssp. of N. pseudonarcissus and close to N. pseudonarcissus ssp eugeniae.
Whatever its name is I think its rather lovely and will keep the label as it is for the moment.
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A lovely baby, Jof. I do like the little white tips to the petals.
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So pleased you mentioned that Maggi. I thought they were white fly trying out some new kind of circular formation dance.
But a delightful daff John. The colour seems very strong and intense.
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N cyclamineus is one of my favourites too, but wish I could get it to grow in profusion. I have struggled to get any year-by-year increase over the past few years, and this year the plants have come up in ones and twos....
However, the pic below cheers me up - a Little Beauty...
Narcissus 'Little Beauty'
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A narcissus with cyclamineus blood: Narcissus 'Mite'. One of my favourites, a good tough plant and increasing very well in the open garden.
Paddy
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This little dote is pot grown in a cold glasshouse.
Narcissus cordubensis
Paddy
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A few of the smaller narcissus from the open garden.
Narcissus 'Tete a Tete'
Narcissus minor
Narcissus 'Little Beauty'
Narcissus 'Little Gem'
Narcissus 'Topolino'
Paddy
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Narcissus cordubensis is definitely one I must get next season Paddy. Quite a contrast to the N. cuatrecasassii that is just opening in my greenhouse.
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Nice Daffs Paddy, good to hear from you again.
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Anthony, It's a dainty one; I really like it.
David, Yes, I'm back, back to natter on and on and on again. Saw your comment on my return somewhere else but I restrained myself. Thoughts such as 'snake in the grass' and the like came into my mind, but I let it go. Instead, I'll just bore you to death with the length of my postings, natter, natter, natter etc etc.
I was away for a long weekend in Paris, walked the legs of myself but loved it.
Paddy
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Lovely daffs everyone, especially the cordubensis which I had the chance to buy recently from Tasmania. Got several for other people and not any for me. I'll know better next season.
If you had to put a species name with `Little Gem' and `Little Beauty" would it be? Minor maybe?
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I was away for a long weekend in Paris, walked the legs of myself but loved it.
Paddy
I love Paris in the Springtime.......... Where have I heard that before!!
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Beautiful little collection of Daffs Paddy - just bought "Mite" on last Saturday's Harlow show :D
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Luc,
You will not be disappointed. Not only is it a clearly distinct daffodil but it grows very well also. The long trumpet stands out from any others that I grow in the garden making 'Mite' instantly recognisable. It is a lovely elegant daffodil, a lovely sight. I adore it, I must say. Also, as it has bulked up, it shows itself far better in a clump than it did as the three bulbs I purchased originally.
Lesley,
Re breeding origins of the others, I'm afraid I am no help to you but your suggestion of N. minor would certainly sound reasonable. I purchased the bulbs from Avon Bulbs or from Broadleigh Bulbs so if I can lay my hands on their catalogues again I should be able to find out for you.
David,
Paris in the springtime...yes, indeed; loved it.
Paddy
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I've just been out to the glasshouse to smell the flowers. The Narcissus cordubensis has a rich scent and I noticed that there are a couple in the pot (seed grown, didn't check the provenance yet) which have more fully shaped cups than the others. they're a bit more frilly, almost. Will get BD to take photo but he is very busy, so may be left to do it myself. If pic later turns out squiffy, you'll know it was mine!
I was out there to sniff a seedling narcissus of the BDs, which he thought had a very strong lemon scent... naturally, by the time I get my nose out there, there's nothing ! May be an evening thing, or a sunshine thing, I will keep checking!
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Indeed, Maggi,
Narcissus condubensis has a lovely smell.
John Blanchard makes a comment on the name - he cannot see how it became named as 'cordUbensis' when it grows around CordOba and should then, perhaps, be called N. condObensis. One of the peculiarities of plant namers, I suppose. Maybe a spelling mistake?
Paddy
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The attached photos are from a pot of AGS N. bulbocodium seeds sown in 2001 and which have flowered for the first time this year!
As you can see, one (the first to open ) is nicely flared and measures 4 cm in diameter, the other which opened a day or two later is just "ordinary".
I was hoping that it would resemble the first.
Unfortunately, a since departed slug has had a snack.
How do they pick the most interesting plant?
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David,
what a monster flower !!!
But a beautiful monster at that - very good colour too - good thing you caught the slug before she could any more damage.
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How do they pick the most interesting plant?
David, this is very simple: pests, be they slugs, mice, whatever, always eat the most interesting plant, rarest plant, most precious plant for the same reason that we are unlikely to order beans on toast in a Michelin- starred restaurant: they fancy a change and something exotic! ;) ;D ;D
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Many narcissus species from the spring brigade are looking good now. Here are some which have featured in earlier posts. Not sure if all of them are correctly named - what do you think?
Narcissus longispathus - ex Mike Salmon seed, about 13 years ago. Nice medium sized (10") daff, the spathe is not especially long though ... perhaps it is N hispanicus?
Narcissus radinganorum - from exchange seed. I think it looks very like yours JoF.
Narcissus pseudonarcissus eugeniae - Anne W, mine is roughly intermediate between your two in colour. Much the same slightly 'dumpy' flower. I like it.
Narcissus jacetanus - originally from Mike Salmon this is the next generation after the original 1994 raising went west after being ravaged by Narcissus bulb fly. I still have one of the originals in the garden but they need careful placing being so small. Here the garden has become a bit wild and overgrown.
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And a few more - shorter posts keep the thumbnail pics on the screen with the text.
Narcissus cordobenisis - raised from AGS seed in 1998. Quite variable in flower form.
Narcissus wilkommii - small spares planted out 2 years ago are now flowering well in the garden.
Narcissus x susannae - from a friend of a friend who I met through this forum. Proof if it were needed of what a great meeting place this is :) I think it is N triandrus x cantabricus form memory, certainly looks that way. Not sure which one is the seed parent ... answers please!
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My goodness, that N. wilkommii is early in the garden, Tony! Lovely daffs, all of 'em.
The wild x susannae are thought to be cantabricus x triandrus, it is not really known which way the cross goes, I think! Ian says he thinks triandrus is the seed parent. In Ian's cross he used N. triandrus and N. cantabricus petunioides
I have seen a result of the cross made by Rannveig Wallis. This is 'Eira' which looks rather bigger and less dainty than x susannae. Officially the resulting hybrids are still all x susannae , there is an RHS note stating, of 'Eira' : Declared not to be a clonal cultivar and may show some variation within the parameters of the cultivar. Falls botanically within N. x susannae.
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Thanks for the info Maggi. The wilkommii are ahead of the ones in pots round the back. I think the south facing wall 3 foot behind them might be to 'blame'
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Great pics Tony. Thanks!
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Great flowers and photos Tony - thanks for this glance into your Narcissus world.
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Tony I didnt know you were infected with Yellow Fever!
This Sunday a few of us, in cluding Ann Borill, are off to Brian Duncan's to see this miniature breeding results. It better be a good day for photos. It's been rubbish for the last two years
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Here is Narcissus cuatrecasassii (with flowers 2½cm across) and another pic of N. (triandrus) pallidulus.
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Very nice Anthony. I saw today what looked like a host of golden daffodils but unfortunately it was a paddock full of ragwort.
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Anthony,
N.cuatrecassassii and N. (triandrus) pallidulus - is this a name change? - are two to die for.
All the daffodils posted above, Tony's etc. are fabulous. I think David has shown the valus of growing from seed. What a great trumpet flair on his N. bulbocodium above. Very nice indeed.
Paddy
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Very nice Anthony but 2.5cm seems very wide for Narcissus cuatrecasassii.
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Very nice Anthony but 2.5cm seems very wide for Narcissus cuatrecasassii.
Blanchard says "flowers 1 -2, usually soitary, 27 mm in diameter", which fits. He also says the "corona yellow, cup shaped, almost entire, often slightly incurved at margin, 6 mm hih, 10 mm diameter". Mine are 5 and 8 mm respectively. It is also slightly incurved as per description.
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Narcissus cuatrecasassii, the flower is normally 2,7 cm in diameter but Narcissus cuatrecasassii var. segimonensis is a higher altitude variety. It tending to have smaller more drooping flowers.
Narcissus cuatrecasassii var. segimonensis
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I have two buds on my Narcissus scaberulus, which is seriously small flowered.
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Although this Narcissus 'Trena' isnt a small , yet classed a dwarf at over 12 inches 32cm, I have added it to my garden because of it's beauty. I've just check Daff Seek http://daffseek.org/ (http://daffseek.org/) and see one of the parents is good ole N. cyclamineous.
Checking Daff Seek for 'Fairy Gold' it says the petals should be signifficantly reflexed. I wouldnt call this significant
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'Trena' is lovely, Mark.
You've got some nasty looking brown bits on the foliage of your insignificantly relexed 'Fairy Gold'.... not this stagonospora thing, is it?
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hey! I'm working! hehe
You got me scared. Those are battered Muscari leaves that didnt die down over the winter
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That's what I was trying to think of as a possible cause of nasttistuff on Tony G's Sternbergia sick-ula in another thread (?). As is frequently the case, I am having senior moments today. Went to the post office in Mosgiel a short time ago and when I came out, couldn't for the life of me remember where I'd left the car. Took 10 mins before the penny dropped.
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hot off the press before I dash for work. Taken this morning
Narcissus 'Duiker'
N. 'Englander'
N. 'Queen Anne's Double'
N. 'Fuco'
N. 'Fuco'
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Oh, I like that N. fuco, lovely creamy colour, nice.
But why should I pass by N. eyetennensis as if it didn't matter? Well, like many of us, I suppose, the one which isn't in the garden always catches the eye and attracts attention.
Lovely daffodils, Mark.
Lesley, whatever about 'senior moments', you are not to forget the cake.
Paddy
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of course you are right. 'Fuco' is on the list for getting twinscaled this year. I like the yellow base to the petals
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Here are 4 that are new to me. I especially like Rosaline Murphy at 8cm high. Next is x rupacycla Mortie - the flower is about 2.5 cm across, but the stem (at least under glass) rather too long in comparison at 13cm.
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Next is Picoblanco (I'm not sure it looks quite right - any thoughts?) Again rather too tall. THe flower is 4cm across, stem 20cm. Lastly is a beauty right in proportion, x johnstonii (now properly called x taitii). The flower is again about 4cm across but the stem shorter at 15cm.
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all very nice. I like the darker background for Narcissus. 'Pico' is tall in my garden too. I'll post a photo later
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Anne,
Four delightful daffodils, despite your reservations about proportions.
By the way, I ordered and received a pot of 'Julia Jane' the other night. There were two withered flowers still to be seen but I now have to wait a whole year to see if I have the real 'Julia Jane' a la your previous posting. Live in hope?
Paddy
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I haven't forgotten Maggi's 1000th Paddy, but give me a few days. I'm snowed under at present by a thousand other things I should be doing.
Lovely daffs all.
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I haven't forgotten Maggi's 1000th Paddy
Sitting here chuckling away to myself at the thought of Maggi throwing 1000 tantrums! ;D :D ;)
(for those not familiar with British slang - a 'Paddy' is slang for an emotional outburst).
John
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I didnt even notice
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Believe me Mark, when I throw even one little tantrum, you WILL notice!
But I'm pleased to see we are weaning you from your numerical fixation!!
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oooooh yeessss LOL
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I didn't even notice that one John. I should have; when I was a child my mother was always telling me not to throw a paddy about something. What is it about the Irish that we "use" them so? Throwing a paddy, taking the micky.....
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I thought taking the Micky had something to do with a certain mouse, but it could predate M. Mouse?
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Fascinating to see the derivation of some common sayings. Wikipedia gives "taking the Mickey" as either cockney rhyming slang for Mickey Bliss or micturition, both of which mean the same thing to be extracted.
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According to my book of slang "take the Mickey Bliss" is rhyming slang for take the piss. "take the Mickey" is from the 'genteel' version "extract the Michael"
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.... And back to the daffs (sorry, but...) A couple in flower today
N minor in the garden
N jonquilla henriquesi
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Lovely pics everyone. Can't beat the sun shing through the flowers
Narc Henriquesii
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After seeing it for real at Brian Duncan's it's now on my mental wants list
'Camborne' for Anne.
I have copied Paddy's idea of photographing flowers against a blue(ish) sky. I think we all had a great day today?
A species that needs a name found growing in the same old garden as the snowdrop 'Mark's Tall'. It has bicolored petals
A couple of 'Fuco'
'Gipsy Queen'
'Mitzy'
'Snipe'
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Here's Nn. scaberulus; rupicola and cuatrecasassii for comparison.
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It really is difficult to surpass the simple elegance of the species narcissus but N. 'Mitzy' is surely a contender. Beautiful photographs.
Paddy
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Tony D - your N scaberulus is very different to the plant that I have grown (Past tense - no digi pictures) Mine had several flowers to a stem and the corona was less open faced. The flowers were very small!
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I think you may be right Tony. It should be very different from rupicola and more like a small cuatrecasassii? Apart from the size, and a green stripe down the backs of the petals, it is just a small rupicola. Heigh ho.
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I don't have a lot of luck with narcissus which is a great pity because I really do like them! This one is N.rupicola marvieri and is fairly new here. If I keep it going I will be very happy.
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I wonder if anyone could ID this Narcissus please, I like it and have lost the details I had of the variety. It is about ten inches high.
Note: found packet on 16/03/07... it's N. 'Jenny'
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It's very elegant.
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Here are some curious Narcissus jacetanus shown at Loughborough - we were amazed at the width of the frilly edge to the trumpet of some of the flowers.
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looks like Trena.
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Hello friends,
Some wild pictures: Narcissus cantabricus, Narcissus confusus and Narcissus rupicola "The Suicide Narcissus"
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Many thanks for sharing. I know that's how many bulbs grow but I still haven't quite got my head around these cliff dwelling species! Does it usually grow in crevices or does it grow elswhere?
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Hello,
I have allways seen Narcissus rupicola in granite, but never in the ground. On the contrary, these Narcissus cantabricus is the only population that I have seen growing in limestone shelves, very rare.
Regards
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Extraordinary photos, Rafa, thank you. These cantabricus are stunning, so white and perfect.
When we see the beauty of these small N. confusus, we must ask why anyone ever thought that a huge hybrid was any improvement?
Your pictures of the crazy rupicolas are the best, that last one is just SO beautiful! Nature has so many ways to astonish us and I am grateful to you for showing us.
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Many thanks Maggi, I agree with you
Here Narcissus rupicola and Narcissus triandrus subsp. pallidulus growing together, but N. triandrus pallidulus usually grows in the ground, aswell.
These pictures are from a marvellous day in Ciudad Real, looking for Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae. Unfortunately deer, sheeps, wild boar, goats... ate the plants and I couldn't take pictures of this specie.
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Rafa, have you seen any signs that N. rupicola and triandrus have made hybrids?
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Also, Rafa, what is your opinion of the naming of Narcissus bulbocodium viriditubus ? Is this still a valid name or should it be called something else now?
I ask because this little hybrid, 'Twin Stars' raised from seed MS204 in 2000 (in New Zealand )was registered as N. triandrus var triandrus crossed N.b. viriditubus.in 2003.
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Yes it is Maggi, I have seen several hybrids between Narcissus triandrus subsp. pallidulus, Narcissus rupicola and Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. bulbocodium, unfortunately I have not pictures of that beacuse camera batery went flat :-\
I don't know wich species it could be Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. viriditubus.... there are so many changes in this genus... I will ask J. Fernández Casas to know his oppinion.
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unfortunately I have not pictures of that beacuse camera batery went flat
When will we have a camera that can be wound up to make battery power, like we have now wind-up radios and torches? ::) And how many hours would we need to stand and wind the handle to make a day's pictures? :o It doesn't matter how many batteries you have, they will always run flat before you have finished your photos, it is a law of photography, I think!
I will ask J. Fernández Casas to know his oppinion.
Thank you, Rafa !
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Wonderful, wonderful pictures of wild things, especially N. rupicola which was the first daffodil we ever bought, and is a special favourite. Re Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. viriditubus, There is no mention of this subsp in the Internation Register's classification list, even as a name now superceded.
One more thing, and I write with great trepidation, but you know the greengrocer's apostrophe (potato's, apple's etc)? Well I makes me squirm everytime I see bulbIcodium, instead of bulbOcodium. OK, now you can hate me forever!
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Rafa, you are the undisputed wild Narcissus Champ !
Thanks a lot for sharing these wonders of nature with us !
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I'm sqirming with you Anne.
Rafa, so many thanks for these wonderful pictures. The little patch of is especially fine. Is it the "suicide"
daff because of its precarious habitat? like the suicide gladiolus, G. flaniganii?
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Rafa I think miniature solar panels for charging mobile phones could work for cameras
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I always carry spares, but last October week's holiday I took over 300 pics and didn't need to recharge the battery once. 7dayshop.com sells batteries very cheaply.
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Many thanks for your coments and for battery info. When you are walking in the most difficoult, hard and wild places that I remember, you think in solar devices to not depend in convencional electric sources...
Lesley, pecisely, I have invented this name The Suicide Narcissus as a joke, comparing Narcissus with Gladiolus flanaganii as they ar also "fisuricola" plants wrowing in the most inaccesible places, like fisures in granite walls.
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I know the feeling Rafa. When my daughter Lucy was born my camera had no battery and no film, both situations discovered separately, and involving separate dashes to a shop. I found this out when we were in the delivery room and the hospital shop didn't sell batteries (it did, however sell film), so I had to drive very quickly to a newsagent's half a mile down the road for batteries. ::)
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300 photos on one battery!! I must order new batteries today. My camera will go through three batteries during a full days of garden visits. http://www.7dayshop.com (http://www.7dayshop.com) £10 for a battery compared to £30-£40 on the high street is an excellent deal for my battery
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Rafa I suppose ants carry the rupicola eggs in to cracks and crevices.
I feel a SR trip to Segovia coming on after a visit to Germany
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I can just see Mark galliv'anting about those cliffs. 8)
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Huge apologies to all "squirmers" I see that I am the main culprit ! Just carelessness on my part :P, though over thirty years with the dyslexic BD may be a contributory factor ::)
I have adjusted all references in the new forum.
Anthony, how did Vivienne feel about having to "wait" while you fetched the batteries?
Thanks again to Rafa, the BD is drooling over these photos!
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Things moved too fast for her to notice. When Lucy arrived there were a total seven people in the room,including a trainee doctor who had been one of Vivienne's pupils! :o
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I'm about to digress, again... is "Lucy" simply "Lucy" or is this short for Lucinda or Lucille etc?
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looks like Trena.
Mark, thanks for trying. I found the empty pack this morning (I knew it would come in for something!!) and it's name is Narcissus "Jenny".
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just Googled 'Jenny' http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=narcissus%20jenny&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi (http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=narcissus%20jenny&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi) Looks like it should turn white. I also checked Daff Seek http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Jenny&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Jenny&lastpage=1). Classed as a dwarf but how small/tall is it?
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Just Lucy. Long story, short name.
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heeeer's Lucy! comes to my mind. Showing my age LOL
Here is the cute Candlepower just before it goes over and how it was at the start of the month
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just Googled 'Jenny' http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=narcissus%20jenny&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi (http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=narcissus%20jenny&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi) Looks like it should turn white. I also checked Daff Seek http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Jenny&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Jenny&lastpage=1). Classed as a dwarf but how small/tall is it?
Roughly 8-10 inches?
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Is it a garden centre bulb?
This is N. moschatus taken yesterday
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It is, and I know now that you rarely get what it says on the packet. I have learned a lesson and shall buy most of my bulbs in future from specialists even though my pocket will be lighter.
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Not sure what you mean. If they turn white they will be 'Jenny'. This could take a week.
Not all bulbs from specialists will be true either. Look at this pot of 'Mitzy' supplied by a UK bulb supplier.
See anything wrong?
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Yep, there appears to be conifer growing out of the pot? ;D
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Such a rubbish day I had to try and get a decent background. 3 bulbs bought as Mitzy - the tall one - and when flowering shows three different bulbs.
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I don't think my 'Jenny' are ever that yellow, or that shape, and are generally taller too.
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via Daffnet comes the news that one of Brian Duncans superb miniature seedlings got
best miniature and best unregistered seedling
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That is a beauty.
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A photograph of Narcissus 'Jenny' from January in my garden. Like Anne W. I find it is not all that low growing, certainly over a foot high. Here I find it is one of the earliest of the garden daffodils.
Paddy
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A few of the smaller garden daffodils in flower at the moment.
Narcissus cyclamineus 'Quince'
Narcissus canaliculatus
Narcissus 'Itzim'
Narcissus minor
Narcissus 'Midget'
Narcissus bulbocodium
Paddy
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A few from the glasshouse, pot grown.
Narcissus bulbocodium 'Lee Martin'
Narcissus obesus
Paddy
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via Daffnet comes the news that one of Brian Duncans superb miniature seedlings got
best miniature and best unregistered seedling
I'm not at all surprised, that 3110 is a real stunner. What a beautiful little thing, I think it has a great fututre ahead of it. Well done, Brian!
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I should have said the photos of Brian's seedling is mine and not from Daffnet.
As some of you will know I got a major telling off off forum but lots of lurkers on Daffnet came out in support
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I should have said the photos of Brian's seedling is mine and not from Daffnet.
I knew that, it is one of those you posted the other day after you visited Brian.
As some of you will know I got a major telling off off forum but lots of lurkers on Daffnet came out in support
Why, don't the Daffnet folks want their awards publicised and do they not want the growers to get wider recognition?
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Paddy, I'm sure your `Jenny' isn't `Jenny.' As Anne says, it should be tallish and much whiter and is very elegant, not rather chunky as your version is. A little bit (though not entirely) like `Dove Wings' and probably around 15" (45cms) in height. Nor is it particularly early.
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From the RHS daffodil register: Jenny
Fl. 90 mm wide; perianth segments ovate, blunt, slightly mucronate, reflexed, a little twisted and with margins incurved, smooth, overlapping one-third; the inner segments only very slightly mucronate, more strongly twisted; corona cylindrical, lightly ribbed, opening pale yellow (4C or 4D), becoming white, mouth more heavily ribbed and a little flared, loosely frilled, rim crenate and minutely dentate. Scented but unpleasant.
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I dared suggest the miniature booklet becomes a "proper" book taking advantage of the digital age
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suggest the miniature booklet becomes a "proper" book taking advantage of the digital age
Nothing too dreadful in that, was there? It is clear that anything published before the current availability of digital photo printing and produced with an eye to canny usage of a group's resources, as I suspect was the case here, will appear less than ideal today. This doesn't stop the booklet being a most valuable resource in itself, merely that now, more could be done. Perhaps you were less than tactful in your wording, Mark, and so upset the daffodil cart? Folks get very protective over the results of their hard labour, you know, and who can blame 'em?
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For Jenny, see http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Jenny&lastpage=1
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Lesley, Maggi, Anne,
Certainly my plant which I posted as 'Jenny' is decidedly yellow in trumpet while the photographs on daffseek show a clearly whitish trumpet.
The fact that the trumpet, of my plant, fades from the yellowish colour to a creamy white is not a help in clear identification. At the end of its flowering season my plant looks quite like the daffseek Jenny.
I think I shall just have to enjoy it as a nice daffodil without a name for the future.
Paddy
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Re my posting earlier of N. bulbocodium 'Lee Martin' and N. obesus Reply No 117: I would welcome comment on both of these - do they look like the real thing? These are both new in flower for me and I could not comment on their authenticity.
Paddy
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Paddy your Lee Martin looks more like the obesus I saw at Brian Duncans last weekend. No photo. It was a case of soo many daffs so little time
Here's a wisp of Snipe.
At snowdrop time there is always much discussion about Mitzy and Snipe ie which is which. Mitzy left and Snipe
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Lesley, Maggi, Anne,
Certainly my plant which I posted as 'Jenny' is decidedly yellow in trumpet while the photographs on daffseek show a clearly whitish trumpet.
The fact that the trumpet, of my plant, fades from the yellowish colour to a creamy white is not a help in clear identification. At the end of its flowering season my plant looks quite like the daffseek Jenny.
I think I shall just have to enjoy it as a nice daffodil without a name for the future.
Paddy
Paddy and all,
since I started this ball running by asking for an ID for my plant that I had lost the label for (subsequently I found the packet and the packet says the bulbs were Jenny) I have to agree with Paddy in that my plant is also "decidedly yellow in trumpet" and as they age the flowers turn whiter. The average height of mine are 8-10 inches although the odd one may just about reach a foot (sorry about the "old money" measurements but as far as possible I avoid all use of EEC inflicted measurements-I still order things in pounds and ounces too-you are allowed to do these thing as you age, I think!!) I will repeat the pictures I originally posted which were taken about a week ago, and when I am able to bend down without swearing I will take another picture of the ageing flower.
Whilst I'm feeling grouchy I have just been looking at Daffnet (as a way of perhaps learning more about Narcissus) and read through the List joining instructions. I notice that you are given a whole range of Languages to choose from to receive messages in one of which is English (USA), I looked in vain for English (UK). It was ours before you claimed and abused it!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Paddy I would have some doubts about your N. bulbocodium v. obesus. I'm sure there is some variation but in all plants I've seen including my own, the foliage is quite prostrate and snaky while the very large flower is short stemmed and, as the name suggests, very wide or fat. It's possible that if yours was grown from seed there could be another bulbocodium form included in the parentage. Here's mine.
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The 'Bulb Exchange' at discussion weekends is a great source of interesting bulbs. Last year I got really lucky and found these two narcissie donated by the same generous person. The donor left a message on the ackage to conact him for more info on Queen of Spain but although I know his name and I think he visits the forum I have not been able to get in touch. I would like to know more and my e-mail is avaiable on the forum.
If they come up in the order I anticipate they are
Queen of Spain (reflexed petals)
Douglas Bank
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Hi Lesley,
I've been scrutinising my Narcissus obesus with a copy of John Blanchard's 'Narcissus' in hand and find the following: the foliage is prostrate on the compost surface. John Blanchard says that 'the leaves are prostrate, or arch over towards the ground after rising only a short way above it.' This amount tallies with N. obesus at any rate. He also notes that the flowers are 'horizontal or ascending' The flower is very definitely upward facing - I actually wondered if they had been grown in congested conditions before I purchased them recently. He describes the corona as being 'slightly incurved at margin', which mine is.
However, the flower stem is certainly taller than he describes, 15 rather than 10cm. He describes the corona as 'deeper yellow than the petals'. I couldn't see any noticable difference in mine.
In conclusion, I see certain of the traits of N. obesus but see other traits which are not associated with this species.
These bulbs were bought only two weeks ago from nurseryman in England. I think he would be quick to admit that these small bulbs or alpines are not his speciality and that he offers them for sale simply to provide choice on his sales list.
From my point of view, I would simply like to know the accuracy or otherwise of his labelling. N. obesus doesn't strike me as a plant to get greatly excited about, nor did it cost a fortune, so my queries are purely in the interest of accuracy.
What do you think?
Re. N. bulbocodium 'Lee Martin': can anyone tell me of the origins of the plant? It has a good big and widely opening corona which is very attractive. Bought from the same nurseryman mentioned above.
Paddy
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David,
Isn't N. 'Queen of Spain' very beautiful!
Lovely long trumpet.
Paddy
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Paddy, re your N. Lee Martin, Lee and his wife grow many fine show plants and their form of Narcissus bulbocdium is one they have won a Farrer Medal with ( maybe more than once) I would say it looks very much like the smaller flowered of the two in your picture. The one with the really huge hoop, bowl-type flower is something other! Really nice and fat, worth bulking up, in my opinion. The Martin's bulbocodium is a good regular sized, increasing form, not markedly different from the type, as far as I can see. It is just a really great growing show plant!
Re; Queen of Spain,
see the old forum for lots of chat about this variety. Somewhat confused history and there are those that would say that David's plant was 'Englander'. Another of those plants which has so confused a past that it is nigh impossible to be definitive about it... super little plant though, David. I reckon Q of S to be a bit bigger, but, hey, who am I to say! :P ::)
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Many thanks, Maggi.
Where does Lee Martin hail from? I suppose now that I have his name I shall watch out for him in the AGS journal and will surely see him mentioned now and again.
Re N. 'Englander', Mark Smyth had a posting with a photograph of this earlier in this thread. After looking back at it I would comment that his 'Englander' has more of a flare to the trumpet than David's 'Queen of Spain'. Of course, I could not comment on what the significance of this is, other than saying that this seems to be a difference between the two photographed. Both are excellent plants.
By the way, why do the negative comments which normally go in the direction of those who like snowdrops not go likewise in the direction of those who love these hopelessly mixed up daffodils? There is obviously a similar level of confusion re identification and equally obviously those who like them become similarly obsessed.
And as for those crocks interested in crocus - beyond help!
Paddy
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Paddy, Lee and Julie live in East Sussex and are very successful exhibitors.
The reason that the Galanthophiles take more stick than the rest of us is that they are too polite to strike back!
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David - your 'Queen of Spain' may be a Narcissus called 'John Wall'. I had Q of S from a very good grower in Lancaster many years ago but a local daffodil expert who has attended RHS commmitees told me mine is N John Wall'. Apparently the real Q of S has some triandrus in its blood and this cyclamineus imposter (which looks very similar to Englander) has been quite widely distributed. It is a really nice plant though!
Maggi - Lee and Julie Martin have won FMs with two forms of N bulbocodium. The best known one is a form close to N b obesus with very fat coronas on short stems which flowers quite late. The other form is one that I gave them. I have a form with longer, narrower corona which was in the running for a Farrer one year. (Closest I ever got to one.) Lee admired it so I gave him a few bulbs. A couple of years later while I was busy raising children he won a Farrer with the same plants!
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Here's a picture of Lee and Julie Martin’s Narcissus bulbocodium winning the Farrer in 2004:
http://freespace.virgin.net/kate.almond/Ex04farrer.jpg
and Lee and Julie themselves with the late Jim Lever, holding another Farrer plant, Dianthus Eileen Lever at East Anglia show 2003 photographed by Tony G
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/servlet/htmlservlet/shows/results/shows2003/shows/anglia/images/Tony_Goode/sizedHurry_up_this_is_heavy.JPG.html
I love the title of this one "Hurry up this is heavy"
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Thats the N bulbocodium I gave them!!
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Anyone any ideas what this narcissus is? It grows quite small and was rescued from a patch of brambles in a nearby area of managed woodland a year or two back and I have split the clump several times since (it is also still growing in said bramble patch).
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Maggi, Tony & Diane,
Many thanks for the information on Lee Martin. It always adds to the interest of a plant when one has some background information.
Wow, Diane, that pot of N. bulbocodium is out of this world. No wonder it did so well in competition. In another 10 or so years I might be in the same position.
Tony, as you say, this bulb has a very wide-mouthed corona and, is indeed, very close in appearance to N. obesus- well, the plant I have as N. obesus at any rate. Have a look back at my posting with both of these plants shown in photographs.
Many thanks. Paddy
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'Englander' is quite different
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PAddy, N. b. obesus is a real honey, because it's so short and stout, a big flower and has great substance in the corolla. I think it's one of the best species forms. And it's always among the last to flower here so that I often have it in flower for a show when all else is past or nearly so.
Anthony, how about your basic N. pumilus/lobularis/Little Beauty? Can remember which is which or which names are valid but everyone has it and it naturalizes nicely.
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Crikey, Mark, they look identical!
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yeah but no but look how Englander holds it's head. On Daffseek they show one with it's head down too http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=d0600252617c85333c8fe981d8d32b59 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=d0600252617c85333c8fe981d8d32b59) No photo for Queen of Spain on Daffseek
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Hmmm ... It would be so much easier if one of them had a distinguishing green mark inside ;)
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oh if only. My Englanders are tall compared to Queen of Spain. I'll take measurments when I get home
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Someone out there to identify this narc i recieved from an old garden
Cheers,
Guy
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Re, Narcissus Queen Of Spain, after extensive research I am convinced that the picture below is the original plant introduced as Queen of Spain.
We also have the other one shown by David and Mark dirtributed by the same grower and it is a superb plant but I do not think it is correctly named.
Google searh for images to get the bulb log pages and search the old forum for much more discussion on this plant.
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Not sure if this will help – this description is in the book Narcissus by Michael Jefferson-Brown published in 1991:
"The first hybrids to be noted were the wild progeny of N. triandrus and N. pseudonarcissus. These attractive plants were given the name N. johnstonii, but were better known as ‘Queen of Spain’ and ‘King of Spain’. Under these names they were introduced into our gardens. With long stove-pipe coronas and swept back petals, and standing around the height of the ‘Lent Lily’, they make a distinctive picture in pale primrose-sulphur shades. A few gardens still retain bulbs of these plants which were originally imported towards the end of the last century, and topped up in the earlier years of this one. As they are such distinctive and sought-after plants, they make natural candidates for artificial increase by bulb chipping or tissue culture."
regards
John
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pale primrose-sulphur shades
You will see that the plant which Ian believes he has traced back to Q of S has indeed got the pale primrose colour mentioned in M. J-B's book.
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Oh well straight in from work and out for a photo. Englanders have now raised their heads. Supposed Queen of Spain stands 9" 23cm Englander 8" 20cm
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Mark, if you went out to take a photo here you'd need treatment for hypothermia.. its flipping 'orrible! Sleet, hail, YUCK!
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As you can tell the sun was shining when I went out. Same nasty weather as yesterday but very warm in between. Here is another photo. These two cyclamineous hybrids are slightly different especially petal length and shape
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Ian will have to get one of his bulbs twinned so we can all have some or get someone to repeat the cross
from Daffnet
Seed Parent: N. pseudonarcissus
Pollen Parent: N. tri.pallidulus
Comments: N. x johnstonii selection; Name cannot be applied with certainty to any one of several clones of N. x johnstonii, per RHS 14th Supp.; *cc: 20 or 21; petals reflexed, sulphur colored
This is x johnstonii
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With permission from Keith and Sandy Fridler I can show you this photo they showed recently on Daffnet
"This gives you an idea of the immense numbers of n. Jonquilla blooming along the roadside there in Pine Mills Texas. This one drift stretches along about 1/2 a mile of highway right of way. This shot was taken 3-16-07. You could spend a week sorting through the different shapes and sizes of these"
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Tony
I cann't find any info or pictures of John Wall to compare, but my Queen of Spain (8") is much deeper coloured than the ones shown by Ian.
Whatever, it's a super flower.
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Wow! The scent from those jonquils must be quite something!
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That was my first thought, too, Anne, when I saw those drifts of Texan jonquils! Oh to be able to catch that fragrance on the air!
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No, I don't believe it - just a low growing form of gorse. On the other hand, I can just about smell them from here.
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ummm the scent of Gorse on a warm, late spring day, bees a buzzin', larks a singin'
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Here are two urls that will be helpful to those of you interested in narcissus but new to this world!
http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registerpages/intro.asp
The International Daffodil Register and Classified List
An introduction to The International Daffodil Register and Classified List (1998), comprising:
Daffodil classification
Cultivar registration
Scope of the Register
Interpreting the Register
Illustrations and glossary of descriptive terms
Amending the Register
Acknowledgements
Horticultural classification
Botanical classification (124KB PDF document)
Botanical names in alphabetical order (249KB PDF document)
Use this link to search the Daffodil database:
http://www.rhs.org.uk/seedlist/registerpages/DaffSearch.asp
The American Daffodil Society :
http://daffodilusa.org/
has DaffSeek, where one may search many registered daffs:
http://daffseek.org/
Hope this helps some newbies out there!
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Narcissus aplenty both at home and at the AGS Kent show on 17th March
First the show plants
Narcissus bulbocodium
Narcissus rupidulus - I presume a cross between N triandrus pallidulus and N rupicola
N ? triandrus x fernandesii - this is the name suggested by Bob & Rannveig Wallis who raised it.
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These were at the show but now they are at home!
Narcissus bulbocodium - the form I gave to Lee M.
Narcissus calcicola - raised form AGS seed
Narcissus cuatrecassasii - lost its label but Bob Wallis agreed my choice of name! Not typical of N cuatrecassasii but it could not be much else. (Tony Darby posted a plant acquired as N scaberulus which looks rather similar ... my lost label might have said the same thing!)
Narcissus dubius - seed raised.
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And this one stayed at home
Narcissus cuatrecasasii var segimonensis - larger and more upright than the plants in the previous post.
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All very cute. Thanks Tony
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Some information please Tony about N. dubius.
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I think the narcissus I have in the trough is Narcissus minor? N. dubius is found into France (Pyrenees) and I'm finding it very difficult to please.
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Lesley - Narcissus dubius. I've consulted my copy of John Blanchards book 'Narcissus'. Here is the distilled wisdom. It is in Section Tazetta, the smallest plant in the section, 15-25cm high with flat, glaucous leaves. Chromosome analysis suggests that it originated as a hybrid between N papyraceus and N assoanus. This would have been a very long time ago as the plant we grow today breeds true from seed and thus has status as a true species. JB suggests it might belong in its own subsection, dubii. Native to S coastal France and down E coast of Spain. (Perhaps not Pyrenees, except eastern coastal end of same.) Grows among limestone rocks in exposed places. In cultivation needs a good bake in summer to flower well.
I grow it in a greenhouse with the winter flowering narcissi from section bulbocodium. It gets much hotter here in summer than it would in my cold frames where the other narcissus live. (It probably gets much hotter down here in S UK than it does in Tony Darbys neck of the woods.)
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Thanks Tony, exactly what I wanted. I've not come across it before but will certainly grow it if I get a chance. It looks delightful.
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pix from my garden.
The N. seedling is the first time in flower after 4years and in full bloom 12cm in diameter. The largest ever in my garden... :D
It grows between my rose bed.
One parent is likely "Carlton" growing close...
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more pix...
N.x odorus: a few open yet but many leaves and buds
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Nice narcissus every one.
I just have 3 to show at the moment but there are buds at the balcony so hopefully there will be more.
One is a comon tete a tet that is only 3cm high. That was done by not whtering the plant pot for a long time. Maby a treatment that should not be recomended.
The second is from my mother in laws place similar to n. poetica but with bigger "trumpet" and more orange.
The third was what have bloomed (so far) from mixed narcissus pack from a gardencenter.
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I was at a daffodil show last Saturday. Do you want to see big blousy daffs?
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Yes Mark I would like to see them ;D
I like big flowers that are almost vulgar, maybe not a Rockie at heart then :( but I am happy anyway 8)
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Yes, go on, Mark... it'll make us realise why exactly we prefer the little cute ones!
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I may have said this before but the daff breeders are trying to breed split corona miniatures and various coloured trumpets. Included here are some miniatures
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The one named after an Italian dessert is ? I forgot to take a photo of it's name tag
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and a few more named but in my excitement I forgot to take a photo of the label
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Mark
the Italian dessert may be "Cassata"; I have one by that name but can't remember if it looks like your pic.
cheers
fermi
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you are correct
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Thanks Mark
There where both nice narcissus and nicely vulgar ones if I may say so.
I love them both 8)
Joakim
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Mark,
Nice pictures but I dislike split coronas. They are ugly.
Rape of nature.
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I am with Armin on the split coronas!
Here are is Narcissus nevadensis flowering here.
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Specific Genera / Primula / Re: Primula March 2007 on: March 25, 2007, 06:29:49 PM
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Mind you, nearly everything looks nice planted with small daffodils....
Yes, that's true.... especially erythroniums and little rhododendrons!!
We saw a garden last night when walking Lily that had mixed clumps of daffs in the lawn... some clumps of larger types, some of small ones and some of mixed, large and small.... you'd think it might look odd, but it was very attractive and not the usual thing you see.
For reasons which now escape me, i made this post the other day in the primula thread! Here is the fuzzy flash pic to show the mixed clumps of daffs in the garden we saw...
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I like it
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Dear Mrs Young,
about the house I own in Aberdeen and therefore the intellectual property rights on such dwelling and its grounds. I am sure we shall be able to reach a suitable pecuniary agreement in respect of your recent photographic expedition. My Accountant will be in touch forthwith.
Yours very sincerely, and financially productively,
Fred Splodge (Knight of this Realm which I am reliably informed currently includes Scotland)
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Dear Lord Splodge,
I will be pleased to hear from your solicitor but would venture to ask you, before you proceed further with this matter, if you are familiar with the saying "like getting blood from a stone"?
Yours, in poverty,
M.Young (Mrs)
PS I do like your garden!
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I am with Armin on the split coronas!
Here are is Narcissus nevadensis flowering here.
Tony,
thanks for sharing my opinion. Your N. nevadensis is striking tall.
What height in cm has it?
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I have a clump of 20 Narcissus "Little Jem" from Garden Centre bought bulbs but have had only one flower and all of the leaf tips are quite brown and withered. The question is should I feed 'em and hope they are better next year or dig up the clump and start again with a fresh stock?
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Some of you may have read a post I did on the General Pages on a visit to Cotehele House in Cornwall (see http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=338.0 ) In the post I mentioned that the area around Cotehele was (and still is to an extent) used for commercial daffodil production and that the verges and hedgerows are said to be full of very old varieties.
On a more recent visit to Cotehele I picked up a national Trust publication entitled "Phoenix, Pheasants and Fortunes-the Story of Cotehele Daffodils" which gives quite a bit of information on those old varieties. Unfortunately I picked up the booklet on the way out rather than on the way in.
I don't know if information on old varieties is of any interest to modern day Narcissus afficianados, but, if it is I would willingly try to precis the information into 3/4 posts. Unfortunately the varieties available in the grounds of the House are not labelled and therefore apart from a guess I have made from the photographs I have taken, on two varieties, I have no supporting pictures.
What's the general view please??
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Old Daffs from Cotehele House What's the general view please??
Go for it , David!
The question is should I feed 'em and hope they are better next year or dig up the clump and start again with a fresh stock?
Re your Narcissus 'Little Gem', David....since you only got them last year, you really should have had more flower out ofthem if the bulbs had been grown properly before you bought them. If you had been growing them for a few years and they were dwindling, that is a different matter and I would suggest feeding them up. Because they are only one year in your ground and have only one flower and dodgy foliage, I would be suspicious that the bulbs were suffering some kind of infection or at the least , chronic weakness. So, Dig 'em up, burn 'em and treat yourself to some new stock.!
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....... So, Dig 'em up, burn 'em and treat yourself to some new stock.!
And me a Yorkshireman, is there no alternative use for duff bulbs? ;D Good advice Maggi, I will comply.
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And me a Yorkshireman, is there no alternative use for duff bulbs?
well, there is one use... daffs are pretty poisonous, so if you want rid of someone who is fond of onion soup.....................
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can somebody help me to identify the cultivars - lost my records.
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can somebody help me to identify the cultivars - lost my records.
I think the second one is Professor Einstein. Sorry, I can't help on the first one.
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Diane, thank you for "Prof. Einstein", I remember now.
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Armin - The N nevadensis pictured earlier is 20-25cm high. I shot the picture from ground level to get the blue sky background, this makes them look taller than they are!
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Did anyone buy N. 'Kath's Clown' from Kath Dryden last year. I'm sure she listed it as miniature but it isnt at 28cm/11". Looking at daffnet anything under 32cm/12.5" is. Maybe they miniature needs to be revised
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Didn't know Kath Dryden had a commercial operation.
Given what Kath Dryden had done for alpine gardening over many many years it is surely time that she was given recognition in an Honours List, what about Dame Kath?? And so say all of us! M
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Hi all ,
Knows anybody this name : Narc. "Ken's Favorite" ?
I got some bulbs last year as present -but I can nothing found in my books about the provenance and the breeder .
Thanks in advance
Hans
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Hans here is some info http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Ken%27s%20Favorite&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Ken%27s%20Favorite&lastpage=1)
A large image is here http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=88688dc0b2316720e3dcb986eb122e37 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=88688dc0b2316720e3dcb986eb122e37) Bred by Murray Evans in 1978
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Armin - The N nevadensis pictured earlier is 20-25cm high. I shot the picture from ground level to get the blue sky background, this makes them look taller than they are!
John, I thought from the picture they are ~40cm. But I like thoses tinies too.
I've put them on my wish list.
brgds
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Mark ,
Thank you for your help - this is exactly my plant !
Greetings
Hans
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Hans here is some info http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Ken%27s%20Favorite&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Ken%27s%20Favorite&lastpage=1)
A large image is here http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=88688dc0b2316720e3dcb986eb122e37 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?photo3=88688dc0b2316720e3dcb986eb122e37) Bred by Murray Evans in 1978
Mark, thank you for the link. You unintentionally helped me to find the name of my second "unknown" - it is "Ambergate". Regarding your issue. I'm sorry - no clue.
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Didn't know Kath Dryden had a commercial operation.
Given what Kath Dryden had done for alpine gardening over many many years it is surely time that she was given recognition in an Honours List, what about Dame Kath?? And so say all of us! M
Maggi, if you are serious (and personally I really do feel an honour is richly deserved) surely it is worth the higher echelons of SRGC giving some serious consideration to making a Nomination, perhaps after discussion with and in conjunction with AGS. Making a Nomination is not that difficult see
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_rights/civil_rights/nominations_for_the_honours_list.htm
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Thanks for this, David. Let's just say I'm making enquiries :-X
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2 unusual daffs
1. Narcissus perez-chiscanoi - I believe this has now been absorbed in N hispanicus. Mine seems to have a rolled back edge to the corona - is this usual or have I mistreated it at some point?
2. ditto
3. Narcissus yepesii - this one has been recently introduced into cultivation by John Blanchard. Mine was grown from JB's seed.
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I'm going to have to get a collection of species
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Oh-oh, Mark's going to go down with yellow fever now!
Diane, I think that N. perez-chiscanoi does have a tendency to roll back like that. I think some of ours, outside, don't seem to roll so much, perhaps they're too cold! I'm not sure I like that roll feature, it's like those petunioide romieuxii types... I don't really like them, either :P
I've never met a Narcissus yepesii... pretty thing, and from a good "home" in John Blanchard !! Is this the first time you have flowered it?
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actually sitting in the garden today I was amzed at how many different daffs I own. It's a sea of yellow and white. If only the TV crew could be here now. I'm worried about what will be showing in two weeks time. I did tell them to come in May, pre Czech trip, but they are coming on the 18th.
I need a name for this little beuaty that only opened today.
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Mark Did You meen post Chech tripp so that You could stock up with a good excuse? May pre Chech seems to very litle of May.
You will have to hope for cold but clear weather for the plants to stay nice 2 more weeks.
Best wishes
Joakim
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Mark, yours looks pretty much like N. bulbocodium obesus, if the foliage is low and arching. The large flowers vary somewhat with some forms wider than others, but yours still look quite large, which they should be. It usually has a good heavy texture too.
I have some fellow feeling for this lovely daff, but would prefer it to be re-named as N. b. var plumpus or perhaps var cuddliensis.
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True Joakim it doesnt make sense
Lesley the leaves are flat on the ground
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I'd still go with obesus. Maggi? Ian?
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I'd prefer to see the flowers when they are fully open, Mark. Their shape could change quite a bit from the stage you show them at. If there is still a "curl out and round" to the bell then, then obesus is fine. I, too, prefer 'cuddliensis'... so much friendlier!
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I went to Brigsteer woods near Kendal Cumbria to see the wild daffs Narcissus pseudonarcissus, which grow in profusion amongst the trees. They were just at their peak and it was a beautiful sight.
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very nice. I think Country File featured them recently.
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John, wonderful habitat.
Is it under nature protection?
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A few years ago I stayed in a farm cottage in Derbyshire and one of the fields was full of N. pseudo narcissus.
The farmer told me he was paid an annual grant not to do anything to the field which might harm the bulbs.
I must admit it was money well spent!