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Title: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 19, 2006, 11:10:53 PM
So this is where I came in. It was while trying to start this new thread last week that I was, I think, the first person to realize there was a major problem.  I was trying to post at 4pm while you were all asleep at 3am. But I thought the problem was only mine until Ian awoke and found it was everyone's.

My Northland holiday (2nd-7th November) was an amazing lesson in what they UP THERE can grow that we DOWN HERE, can't. NZ is small geographicaly but the variety of species cultivated here is enormous.

As always when I visit Ray and Theo, I brought home masses of seeds, cuttings, potted plants and assorted sub tropical fruit. Many I won't be able to grow but Ray always insists. "You never know..." he says.

Ray is 82, a retired GP from Auckland and widowed about 15 years ago; a good gardener with an all-encompassing knowledge of all kinds of plants, and much fitter than I am. If a large pot or chair is in his path as he walks though a garden, he doesn't walk round it, he jumps over!

Theo is 63 and another great gardener, brilliant propagator. He and Allan his partner had a large old-rose nursery near Auckland until they sold it around 10 years ago and moved north to beside Ray, their good friend. Allan died 4 years ago and Theo sold their very large house and garden and built an annex or "granny flat" onto Ray's house and they garden together now. In theory, Theo looks after Ray - who doesn't need it - and he does all the cooking, which is excellent.

The other members of what is a mad household are Mark, 34, chartered accountant who lives with the others at the weekend but with his girlfriend in Auckland during the week and Teddy, 18, corgi x fox terrier would be close, and waiting for God.

Paw-paws, bananas, various different passionfruit, tamarillos, kiwifruit, avocados, several different citrus fruit and the incredible cherimoya or custard apple are all picked fresh from the garden for dessert and either before or after every meal except breakfast, there are large gin-and-tonics - not optional! - but with ice and lemon juice, quite sour and just how I like them.

The garden is some 20 acres bounded on one side by the Pacific Ocean, on another by a mangrove swamp, a third by an enormous bamboo hedge (20 metres high!) and the fourth by a dusty road, lined with olive trees. It is very peaty and when Ray had some samples drilled recently, at 63 metres the drill was still bringing up pure peat. Originally it was probably kauri forest (Agathis australis)

The garden is frost-free and so many tropical and sub-tropical plants grow rampantly here (about 1 and a 1/2 hours north east of Auckland) but Ray also grows alpines of the easier kind such as campanulas, phloxes, dianthus, helianthemums and many more.  In fact, this was how I met him in the first place as he has always been an enthusiastic supporter of my own small nursery. One time I visited, he had Iris cristata and Pulsatilla vulgaris both growing happily beneath an equally happy banana!

So, to some pictures -



Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 19, 2006, 11:14:33 PM
This is one of many modern spuria iris hybrids. They grow to 2 metres up here
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 19, 2006, 11:21:59 PM
OK, stop right here Lesley. Maggi or Ian, I need help please. How can I get pictures into the preview because there's no way to know where to write the text which applies to individual pictures. I open the attachment and don't know whether it has uploaded (no upload instruction) until the post appears in the thread, so I can't see in the reply box, where the text should go. And every pic wants to be a separate post, instead several in a column in one post.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: tonyg on November 20, 2006, 08:43:24 AM
I can't wait for the next installment .... hope you've already had a reply from Ian or Maggi.  I have started to rename files for posting with a short descriptor.  This way they can be referenced back to the text which appears above the thumbnail pics.  Also I have started to post just a few at a time to help keep the text closer to the pics.  See the crocus thread ... I would have put all the pics in one post on the old forum but chose to split them this time.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Ian Y on November 20, 2006, 09:19:43 AM
Lesley
The pictures do not appear in the preview like the old forum but they do appear in the post. At the moment all the pictures appear at the end of your post and the caption that appears with them is the actual file name. Tony's suggestion on naming the picture is a good one as we cannot insert the pictures into the text yet. We are looking into this and it may be possible for us to change the settings.
As for the time out this happens to me as well and there is a reason for it, you do not have to retype your message just hit the post button again.
This is a new forum to all of us and it will take us a while, as users, to work out how to navigate around and use all the features.
From the administration side we are also learning and we will have an ongoing program of adjusting settings and features within the limits of the software to best suit all our needs.
Thanks to you all for your support, please keep your comments and problems coming and be patient as we try and sort them all out.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2006, 08:29:14 PM
OK, sorry for my impatience Ian, I'll see what happens here. As with the iris above, these first are temperate things which I can or do grow in Otago

This stunning blue ixia is Theo's selection from a bunch of seedlings. The colour is like the best forms of Crocus baytopiorum. Happily, I brought a few home.
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I've forgotten the cultivar name of this variegated euphorbisa. I think it's a form of E. characias and is around in perennial nurseries here
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A lovely tawny-gold ixia hybrid, very tall. It is a named plant but Ray couldn't remember which.
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Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2006, 08:37:48 PM
Well, that worked a little bit! I went to insert image and two little thingies came up with the cursor between them. Then to browse, opened the pic file and the cursor disappeared so I figured maybe the pic was in the right place. It seems that's the case, but right clicking on the show picture cross, doesn't work for me. The last of 4 pics, appeared all right.

Two native plants are Raoulia hookeri, a selected form which I posted the other day as R. australisMakara Form, under which name it is usually seen, but I have been corrected by yet another local lurker. Time he came out of the closet. (Sorry Stuart.) Cordyline `Red Fountain' is one of several new cabbage tree hybrids. This one grows with no trunk and here, is in a tall pot where the fountain-like foliage is shown to advantage.

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Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2006, 08:49:21 PM
OK, another lesson learned! Even though the text box was empty and so a post couldn't be made, the attachment remained in the system and uploaded when the NEXT text was posted, along with the attachment I'd tried in the first place. Yeah, right!

Before the lads moved north, Theo and Allan had a very large "old" rose nursery on the northern edge of Auckland. and the present garden is filled with many species and old varieties. This below is a climbing seedling of Theo's, great multitudes of flowers, very compact and with a fantastic scent. Cuttings came home.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2006, 08:56:16 PM
So if I don't go to Insert image (thanks Thomas, but no thanks) I get the picture without the little square with a cross in it.

Two lovely trees in bloom were Magnolia sieboldii and Malus ioensis plena.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2006, 09:00:21 PM
It seems I just can't get two pics posted at once. Only the second or last one comes up. Here's the Magnolia
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Maggi Young on November 20, 2006, 09:04:06 PM
Lesley, thanks for persevering. We'll all get there eventually..... I hope!  I don't know quite what is happening with the uploads not taking several pix when, as you found out, it is happy to take the same one twice when you didn't really ask it to. I did get it to take two photos at once, as have others, so there MUST be a WAY. I just don't know WHY or HOW I managed to get the two pix ...... :-\
Thomas, we have been trying already with that "upload image button by the smileys... can't figure out WHAT it is meant to do.... I think Ian may be right... again..(tsk!).. we just haveto regard the whole exercise as a bit of fun while we get to grips with the new system.

I'm enjoying my virtual visit to Ray and Theo's place... I hope you will thank them for their hospitality on our behalf?
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Susan Band on November 20, 2006, 09:08:36 PM
try after you attach the first pic,pressing the blue more attachments next to the browse button.
Ihad the same problem first.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Ian Y on November 20, 2006, 09:51:04 PM
Ok When you click 'Additional options' you get the Attach: box with the browse button to the right.
Clicking on the (more attachments) opens another browse box, the more you click the more boxes open, up to a maximium of 10 per post. You then browse each box and attach the pictures you want.
I hope that solves your problem Lesley.
And another great thing about this forum is I know you are there just now Lesley. ;)
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2006, 09:56:16 PM
Susan, I did try the more attachments thing a couple of days ago and had no joy but will try again, having learned at least a couple of things in the meantime. (I just read these new posts and hopefully, everything will fall into place this time.)

I was taken to lunch one day at the relatively new Mahurangi vineyard near Matakana. So new infact that they are not yet serving their own wines in the restaurant there but from the nearby Matakana estate winery. Many of these are award winning and quite delicious.

Note from Ian Y: Don'tyou just love it when a plan comes together?
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 20, 2006, 10:16:13 PM
Yeah and tally-ho! Nothing will stop me now!

These to follow are some reasonably hardy (for NZ) species but which certainly do better in the north. The Metrosideron excelsa (pohutakawa) is known as NZ Christmas tree because usually it flowers then, many ancient specimens in Northland and on the Coromandel Peninsula becoming great crimson beacons, overhanging steep cliffs on the coast. It tolerates salty gales. There are many new forms available including pinks, oranges and yellows and some species from the Pacific islands such as Tahiti and Hawaii are also grown in the north.


Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2006, 02:15:35 AM
Another batch and that will do for today. The dog keeps hanging around to ask why don't I get a proper life? by which he means come out and throw the ball for me.

These are big, bold and spectacular things, mostly shrubby or small trees. I should think all are tender with me at least.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2006, 02:43:13 AM
Well, those were SO quick and easy that I'll do some more before signing off for today.

These are all edible. The Annona cherimolia is cherimoya or custard apple, up to 3kg in weight so that the bag of 6 I brought home caused a few raised eyebrows when I boarded the plane. The flesh is creamy white, very sweet but with just a little tartness which stops it from being sickly and has the texture of icecream but not cold, though it's best when taken straight from the fridge. I ADORE it.

I don't think the fruit of Passiflora coccinea is edible but who would need it to be, with flowers like that. The others definitely are, and P. antioquiensis is the best of all with big, sausage-shaped fruit which hang on 30cms threads, as do the flowers. It is incredibly good to eat. This one is held up to have its picture taken. The paw-paw is in flower though others were fruiting but we'd eaten everything ripe before I got that far into the picture-taking.

Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2006, 02:50:18 AM
Yes, that was easy too. Just went to modify (used to be edit post) then unchecked the one I wanted out.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Thomas Huber on November 21, 2006, 08:20:42 AM
I will try admin's tipps in Ian's "Where have I been" thread here:

This is Sternbergia lutea:
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Next my Sempervivum corner:
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Cyclamen purpurascens:
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Crocus banaticus, my best form:
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Rockgarden in October:
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Thomas Huber on November 21, 2006, 08:21:33 AM
YESSSSSSS!!!!!
I have it!!!!!!
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: annew on November 21, 2006, 08:26:22 AM
Lesley - great pictures of beautiful things, and thanks for the (sympathetic) chuckle reading your attempts at mastering the forum. When you couldn't get that pic to post, and then it came up twice, I had a vision of you, the computer and a sledgehammer having a party! What a fighter - I'm proud of you. I might try uploading an image or two today, so you can have a laugh at me later.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Thomas Huber on November 21, 2006, 09:44:23 AM
Hello Anne - nice to meet you  ;)

Thanks to Mr. Admin for the secret, to post photos within the text.
But  I can't see, how many times they have been opened  :-[
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2006, 07:44:51 PM
As they say Anne, all things come to him who waits! But I felt I should have swiped Mr Admin's posting portrait (head smashed into keyboard) and taken it for myself!

Well done Thomas, it's easy once we know how isn't it?
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Ian Y on November 21, 2006, 08:16:46 PM
Well done Thomas, Admin has custom added that into the forum.
I will look into the loss of the counter thingie.
If you leave the last image of the post below the line as previously, then it will have the counter and so give you a total views figure for that image as a guide.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 23, 2006, 08:00:36 PM
I've been badly side-tracked by the need to attend to 2 seedlists (AGS came yesterday) and doing a newsletter for my market, a Publisher document which took hours as I'm still teaching myself - without a manual - to use that. Looks good though when finished.

So back to the far north (of NZ) and yes, I'll forgive Ian and Thomas for putting other stuff here. I don't mind at all but if someone needs it later, they won't know where to look.

First a few of Theo's orchids. I can't love these but they are certainly spectacular.

Then a member of the cactus family, Pereskia aculeata or aculeatissima. It's very tender with its greenless leaves which are thick textured like a hoya. I have a plant home to try though. It climbs.

Hibbertia volubilis is also a climber and one I've grown before so I hope I can get my new cuttings going. The lower pic is Thunbergia mysorensis, very tender and unfortunately just beginning to flower. It opens red and yellow from dark red calyces. The racemes lengthen until they are a full 3 metres. Ray said that last summer the flowers fell in a curtain right to the ground, totally enclosing their patio. It can be very rampant if happy.

I used the same method as before, of including text with relevant pics but this time it didn't work. Also forgot to upload the pereskia. Trying again.



Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Maggi Young on November 23, 2006, 08:15:06 PM
Love the orchids, so rich on colour.
Still working out how to move things around this forum......I had cracked that in the last one, eventually!! So we may be able to shift Thomas and Ian's "extras" elsewhere...one way or another!
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 23, 2006, 08:45:35 PM
Mmmm, yes, well, all right.

I've had another look at Admin's notes re posting pics in text and tried to print it for reference but 3 pages printed, all of the first part of that Q and A thread (such a good idea) and the last bit but the Admin bit was missing so I'll have to write it by hand. Later.

Now, some leafy, trunky things.

Monstera deliciosa is edible of course but usually grown as an indoor plant. Ray's has fruit but not ripe at the moment. My mother who ate this in Australia years ago said that the fruit ripens in segments which can be prized out individually and consumed.

Two figs. The first started as an indoor plant but threatened to take off the roof so went into the garden. Mature leaves are black and very glossy but the new foliage is bright scarlet. It is 6 metres high now.

The second fig has magnificent foliage too. It is Ficus auriculata and the fruit looks good but isn't edible or not these anyway, the right insect to pollinate not being present.

I very much liked the paw-paw trunk (above) but this is a stunner. Ray says it is called Colissa but I can't find any reference by gooling or elsewhere, except people's names and a fish.


Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Maggi Young on November 23, 2006, 09:04:11 PM
Great stuff, Lesley.. and how nice to "see" you!
In one of your earlier posts, No. 44. the other day on this thread, before you conquered the multiple posting snag, you said :
"these   ......  are temperate things which I can or do grow in Otago :
A variegated euphorbia whose name I've forgotten. It's around though
A lovely tawny gold ixia hybrid"
We got the text but not the pix.... can I ask you to post them now, seing you're doing so well?
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 23, 2006, 09:15:54 PM
Oh God, she's done it!

A few oddments now then a winding up with what surprisingly turned out to be my favourite plants in the whole garden. Trying Admin's method here but not sure if I've got it right.

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On the beach the grass is rough and sandy but at this cottage gazanias had seeded into the grass to make it more interesting

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This is Amorphophallus kukushima, which I think is a Japanese speces. Forget the giant and rather ugly species that are occasionally grown here in warm gardens, or in tropical glasshouses. This one is quiet, unassuming and dwarf (about 45cms high) and would be very much in keeping with a group of arisaemas. I brought home a pot with about 300 seedlings, from last year's fruit which Theo says are pink to start with then red and fully ripen at magenta.

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This is the lovely house which Theo and Allan moved - in three pieces - to their garden then spent 3 years totally renovating it. It is quite beautiful inside and out and sits in a formal garden now, courtesy the new owners.

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A little bit of not very wild life, Teddy and a fantail who flitted around me everywhere I went. Because they move all the time, twisting and turning as they catch airborne insects, they're hard to photograph.


Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 23, 2006, 10:18:17 PM
Still lots to learn.
 
Had my last post done but got the pics tangled up so went to modify (back and forth several times) and well, to cut a long story short, have been told a) I couldn't post any more pics (presumably because I'd done 10, but had already deleted 7 of those, just trying to re-post the ones in the wrong place) then b)that the page was now expired..... so, have removed the text bits and will try again tomorrow. I'll try the ixia etc too Maggi.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Maggi Young on November 23, 2006, 10:29:36 PM
Thanks, Lesley. It's appreciated
M
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: annew on November 25, 2006, 12:29:09 PM
Crikey, Lesley, you wouldn't want to climb that Colissa trunk, would you?
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Maggi Young on November 25, 2006, 12:37:16 PM
I was thinking that about the Colissa, Anne.  I don't know it, Lesley, Is it a fruiting tree? If it has lots of tasty fruits at the top, I can see it would need all the protection from climbing hungry critters it can get. Won't stop the flying ones though. Hmm. This is an interesting one!
Drooling over lovely house, too, hard to believe it was MOVED, but there was a TV programme here a little while ago about how houses, railway stations, you name it, are routinely moved in USA... fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 26, 2006, 11:28:49 PM
Houses are frequently moved here too, on very long trucks and with police etc in attendance, power lines occasionally cut then joined up again etc etc. My late husband and I moved one in the last 70s so I know it can be a bit traumatic, wondering if the darned truck will slide down a bank or the house topple off. Usually it's a case of old, often decrepit house bought cheaply, then moved, renovated and renewed into something much better. Many turn out beautifully, as the one above. Ours was a single storied version.

The Colissa looked very ordinary above the trunk and I doubt if its fruit/seeds would be edible. They looked like nothing much that I could see.
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Maggi Young on November 26, 2006, 11:37:31 PM
Hi, Lesley, you are the first person I've known to have moved house so literally!
Not quite so easy for us in my area, with houses made of granite stones that can weigh hundreds of kilos each ! 
I can't find anything about Colissa yet, either... I'm intrigued, though, so will have another rootle about to see what I can learn!
I take it you got your Market day and its newsletter safely out of the way?

Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 27, 2006, 09:29:21 PM
I did indeed thanks Maggi but my site Co-ordinator had a day off (she's American and needed to cook a turkey for a Thanksgiving party. Thanksgiving for what? Freedom from the Brits?) so I filled in which meant getting up at 4.30am. I'd got out of the habit recently and was shattered by the time I was home again. Sore feet, back and head (I really must stop going out late and drinking on a Friday night!) so I didn't make the party.

I've successfully managed to modify that early post with the pics in the right order at last. To start with, the bottom pic had moved to the top which meant the captions were out of order. Got those sorted OK then because it happened with that post, assumed it would again with the next post of which I modified the text, but it didn't so had to modify that as well, then found the Cordyline pic appeared (twice!) under the line as a separate post so had to remove that one. Hopefully I've learned something with all that but I'm not sure what.

Now, the last group of pics from my northern holiday. These turned out to be my favourite plants of all in Ray's garden. And I don't even like bamboo! My chums grow about 30 different species from very small to whopping great things, some clumping and others running. Ray tried to persuade me to try some but I resisted.

I like this one because of its wonky stems
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I think it is an edible species but I didn't get to try it as it's a young plant and being nurtured for now. This below was very tall, perhaps 10 metres or more and in fact I never did see the top as it was growing among trees which crowded around.
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These plates are, I suppose, bracts and they peel off the stems as the stems mature. I was tempted to bring a few home as they'd make marvellous platters for outdoor finger food or to serve barbecue food on. I didn't though as they's have to be flattened to pack them They were around 40cms long
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I was able to climb into the centre of the clump and looking up I saw something wonderful. The photo's not great because I couldn't get far enough under to look through the screen, just had to hold it in front of me, pointing straight up
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This little guy is a morepork, a native owl whose cry is, surprisingly, "more pork." He's only about 20-25 cms tall and was sitting perhaps 8 metres above me. I'd often heard a morepork in the night but never seen one before, so a great thrill.

This is a small section of the tall boundry fence bamboo. It is some 25 metres in height. Ray measured a fallen stem at 24.6m. I lay awake on windy nights - and have done several times before - fascinated by the sounds it makes: clicks, grunts, whistles, whines, hoots, howls, and many different singing sounds, truly an orchestral plant. I think someone, Tan Dun perhaps, should write a concerto for bamboo and orchestra. It could be premiered in the garden during NZ's next International Arts Festival and enjoyed by a large audience, all drinking much rice wine.
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Thankyou for your patience with all my stops and starts and for persevering with this long thread.

Lesley
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Maggi Young on November 27, 2006, 10:54:38 PM
Thank YOU, Lesley, we've been enjoying our trip!
I'm very taken with the little "more pork". These diminutive owls are so cute.
 (remember Rafa's Otus scopus?  see this page in old forum: http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/1078/38358.html?1159628825 ) 

 I don't think you've got the identity of the bamboo "bracts" quite right, though... I nkow that growing on the stems they LOOK like bracts but, it is quite obvious when you see them on the ground that they are, in fact, organic false fingernails for giantesses. They'e all the rage at the top of the beanstalk for well groomed giantesses and lady ogres! They'd be even more popular if it were not for the frightful expense of buying enough nail polish to paint them!
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: SueG on November 28, 2006, 02:20:58 PM
Hi Lesley
Thanks for the pictures of a morepork - I'd never realised they were real, only knowing about them through the Terry Pratchett Discworld books - and I thought he'd made them up!
Sue
Title: Re: Short Holiday/A lesson in Northern Horticulture
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 28, 2006, 08:19:56 PM
Sue, I don't know Terry Pratchett but no, they're definitely real, and cute, as Maggi says.

I think you're right Maggi about the false fingernails. I suspect some people see me as an orgress (?) but these are still a bit big for me. Just as well as I doubt if they'd stand the weed pulling and general gardening.
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