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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: annew on February 08, 2007, 05:32:22 PM
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Readers of the old forum might remember my search for this elusive creature. Bulbs from many different sources had not turned out to be the right thing - see http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/321/23059.html
Last year I bought from 2 more nurseries and HALLELUJA!!! One is the real McCoy. So, the winner is......... :o
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Rannveig Wallis! Well done, Rannveig. ;D
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Anne, maybe in my advancing years my eyesights going but could you tell me please what the differences are between the two varieties? They must be pretty subtle ???
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It's in the shape of the corona - Julia Jane is supposed to be petunioid ie the 'skirt' opens out flat and even recurves. The dud had a much more conical corona.
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Anne,
They both seem to be exactly the same to me, just two yellow things.
You should try growing some nice flowers for a change.
OK, 'Julia Jane' is very beautiful
Oh, revenge is sweet!
Paddy
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Where's my sling. ;) Julia Jane is a cracker.
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I have experienced the same problem with Narcissus hedraeanthus, which you cleared up for me, Anne. That which I photographed last year, from a Cotswold nursery, is a monster imposter compared with the genuine article which you sent me, and has produced two flowering bulbs for me. I will photograph them at the weekend.
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I don't recall that Anne said a single rude word about snowdrops, unlike some others on this Forum. So your revenge comment Paddy, is unwarranted. Besides, what reasonable person couldn't tell the difference between the two above? One is a very nice flower: the other has CLASS!
I'll forgive you David because you and I are radipdly approaching our dotage, failing eyesight and all, but Paddy doesn't have this excuse, being still, the broth of a boy.
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I believe you are right, Lesley, I don't think Anne has said anything BAD about snowies, though she may be guilty of damning with faint praise !!
I'm pleased Anne has finally met Julia Jane, she is an elusive soul, and no mistake. We have pots full of a lovely flower we actually call 'Not Julia Jane'. Then there's 'Not Joy Bishop'...which we have to keep far from the real JB!
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And Viola `Maggie Nott' which one nursery here sells, to distinguish it from the true `Maggie Mott.' I think it should be `Princess Mary' though.
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Anne,
the imposter is possibly a seedling as I have raised something similar from JJ seed.
I notice in minute typing in Paddy's message the words "OK, Julia Jane is very beautiful" was that meant to be a sneaky confession, Paddy?
cheers
fermi
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It's in the shape of the corona - Julia Jane is supposed to be petunioid ie the 'skirt' opens out flat and even recurves. The dud had a much more conical corona.
Ah! I see it now. Thanks Anne. Having said that I think they are both lovely.
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Touche, Paddy! Here's one I bred specially for you.
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Glad you have tracked down Julia Jane Anne, it is a beautiful selection from the very variable seed collection JCA 805 introduced many years ago by the legendary Jim Archibald.
We have many hundreds if not thousands of flowers from subsequent generations from the original JCA805 and they still show a wide variation from narrow funnel shaped to wide petunioid coronas. Many cultivars have been selected and named that can trace their origins back to this one superb introduction.
And Paddy surely you noticed the green markings at the base of the tube and on the tips of the petals ;)
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Now Anne you will start a stampede, a collecting frenzy.
Here is a good petunioid form several generations down from the original JCA805 introduction.
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To be fair to Paddy I also had problem seeing the difference or that it would be so big that it would be considred huge. I think it is more training then age that is the clue.
I also agree with Ann when she in her comment 131 in "galanthus February" said that snowdrops are very alike even though I can admitt to seeing more than just two types (Green and Yellow), I also see single and double. :)
So here I think both are right and the solution is training so that all can see the subtle differences that is the difference between good and excelent.
I am not sure I am willing to go that far, in my training, and I think I am more prone to get the differences that I might see in any snowdrops for sale as Ian did in a recent bulblog rather than the real named versions unless they are very different and comes at an affordable price.
But then again I like my narcises double and in all coulors and in the garden not under glass to a price of only 2€ per pack of five so my taste might be questionable.
Hope I did not affend both snowdroppers and narcissers
Joakim
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Fermi, The Eagle Eyed - well spotted. You must have legal training as you were the only one to spot the "small print".
I just had to take the opportunity to poke fun at Anne. And to clarify the situation - I am only a recent galanthophile. It was my wife, Mary, who started collecting snowdrops a number of years back. Since then her interest in gardening in general has waned a little and their care was left in my hands. Naturally they grabbed my heart and I continued to add little by little to the collection.
I also grow narcissus, especially the smaller ones that do well in the open garden. Ranvieg Wallis came to one of the (reasonably) local garden clubs two years ago, I think, and I took the opportunity to purchase a basic selection of the very small narcissus which are coming on very well in a cold greenhouse. However, I am not yet confident with them and look at the pots at the turn of the year and wonder if anything will show or not. They are coming along now and some are just coming into flower. Of course, Julia Jane is an absolutely fabulous narcissus and one I would certainly welcome into my garden at any time.
NOW ANNE, Are you being really serious about that snowdrop. It looks to me as though someone has been at a narcissus flower with a child's colouring marker and added a few very artistic green marks to the tips. Is this a novel method of introducing new cultivars? Is this a case of 'pull the other leg, it has bells on?'
I have plans to show a good snowdrop next week, one that will attract even those who profess not to love snowdrops. At present it is just developing and should be at its full glory after a few days of good sunshine. Watch this space!
Galanthus and the hundreds of varieties: it often seems, as Chris Sanham said to me yesterday, that we can end up simply collecting names.
Paddy
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Anne, you will have to bring it to Early Bulbs and put it in front of Joint Rock, then you can collect some seed for Paddy!
I agree with Paddy's last para. Occaisionally we are all guilty of buying a 'name'.
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David,
Worse still is when I look at pots or in the garden and find that what I have collected is a nice selection of labels.
Paddy
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Anne I knew you were an artist but had no idea that you were also good in photoshop. Lessons please
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Ah, Paddy, I also noted the small print! And, yes, I admit it I do have a mild case of white fever (only 3 or 4 dozen vars), but my levels of daff-ness are much higher!
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What did you say, Anne? Your level of daftness is much higher?
Hope you recover soon.
Paddy
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As a brush, Paddy.
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AHA! I have been puzzling for some time for a suitable "title" for Anne, now I have it: Daff as a brush !!
This alludes to her talent as an artist, as a hybridiser and a champion of daffodills. I love it, hope it works for you, Anne? ;D
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:P Works for me!
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Anne,
Believe it or not, I have come on a source for 'Julia Jane' and now I just have to wait to see her in the flesh to be sure it is really her.
Paddy
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Similar discussions have been appearing elsewhere and I have been in communication with Brian Duncan and John Blanchard who gives this interesting background to Julia Jane.
'Julia Jane' is a selection from Jim Archibald's Moroccan collection JCA 805, which was a very mixed bag from Ifrane. It is by no means certain that they were "N. romieuxii without admixture of any other", by which I mean that either there may have been some hybrid influence or that N. romieuxii is a species which can show wide variations. I am not suggesting that the collected bulbs were mixed with others from another source. I once tried to get to the type locality at Itzer but failed because the track was awful and hardly fit for a 4x4 which we didn't have. We then went to the next pass at Tizi-n-Rechou and found some very weather beaten bulbocodiums which did not look to me typical of what we knew as romieuxii, but the bulbs which I collected (all in flower, I thought) turned out to be another very mixed bag. Some of the ones I saw in the wild may have looked a bit like your images but I can't be sure and I don't think I sent you any of my own collection , which would have had a JWB number. So much for history.
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Thanks, Ian, I'm not sure whether that's very helpful though - I'm almost confused again! Good luck, Paddy, it took me 6 or 7 acquisitions to come up with something that matched both photos and the description in the International daffodil register.
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the description in the International daffodil register
where mention is made of the important little green bits, as I recall ::) :)
Edit to add : https://daffseek.org/detail-page/?cultivar=Julia%20Jane
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Yes I saw the fine print too, in Paddy's post but I thought it was the first bit of a picture that hadn't come through properly. Says it all about failing eyesight I suppose. Paddy I'm pleased you concede `Julia Jane' is beautiful. She truly is and I'm looking forward to seeing the first batch of seedlings from her this coming winter/spring. I hope there's a lot of variation and NO, I won't be distributing them as `Julia Jane,' in case anyone's worried.
I also loved Anne's Galanthcissus. Something to look for in the future. Thanks Anne.