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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: johanneshoeller on February 04, 2007, 04:27:39 PM
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The first Pleione humilis in 2007
Hans
Austria
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How lovely, Hans. It is a matter of regret that we grow hardly any pleiones nowadays. This was a firm favourite when we did. So dainty.
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That flower is drop dead GORGEOUS.
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beautiful humilis Hans, here my first Pleione in flower: Pleione 'Eiger'
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That flower is drop dead GORGEOUS.
Not for me it wasn't David, just drop dead!
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Great to see the Pleione show getting started for this year.
Some great shots already, thanks Hans and Chris.
I hope to do my penny's worth in a couple of weeks - problem is, my camera gave up on me on Saturday and it will be 3 to 4 weeks before I get it back repaired.... :'(
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That flower is drop dead GORGEOUS.
Not for me it wasn't David, just drop dead!
Lesley,
not sure if you were giving me an instruction, or you just don't like Pleiones? :P
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Dearest David, I'm sure you're very well aware that I was NOT giving you an instruction. Good Lord no! And I love pleiones of every colour and kind but that one, the one time I grew it from an imported psbulb, died almost immediately. (Which is what I meant.) I think it was because it was out of season on arrival, and growing, proved tender in our fast approaching winter when dormant, it would have probably been all right. It was a lesson learned though, to keep pleiones in growth protected but they're OK while still dormant. Here anyway.
So don't even think about dropping dead!
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Here are my openers for this season.
My camera is still in the repair shop - I had to borrow my daughters compact Olympus - still the results are quite reasonable I think.
Pleione eiger (same clone as Chris V)
Pleione forrestii
I hope there's lots more to come
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Lovely photos, luc, with your borrowed compact camera. There were a couple of Pleiones at Dunblane yesterday, brought down on the bus from Aberdeen by John and Rosemary Lupton, fine flowers, some making two per stem, I just cannot think which they were! I 'll find out, since J and R may read this, or I'll phone them.
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Wished that J & R posted some pix of their Pleione Maggi - that would be great.
Here's another clone of Pleione forrestii - quite a bit smaller than the one posted a couple of days ago, but just as beautiful I think ! Still with my daughter's little compact camera, so glad it does such a good job.
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I will ask them to, Luc. Rosemary takes a fine photo, they both do, and in every sense of the word, they are a photogenic pair, themselves! With this flattery I will see if we can get a photo!
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Luc, that is BEAUTIFUL.
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What a cutie! No David, I mean the Pleione.
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Well. John and Rosemary have said they don't have time to get posting in the forum meantime, so they have given some pix to me to post for them. These pix are all of plants grown by John and Rosemeary Lupton and photographed by John.
The first two are the two they had at Dunblane Early Bulb Day.
First, Pleione 'Piton'
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now Pleione formosana 'Clair'
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Here are two more, not flowering as yet, pictured last year:
Pleione humilis 'Shantung'
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and P. 'El Pico Kestrel'
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Thanks to John and Rosemary for these pictures and for the top-up of frogspawn for my pond!
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Maggi, do thank John and Rosemarie from me (and the other Pleione adepts) for the good pictures. And thanks to you for going through all that trouble to get them on the forum ! Fortunately you made some personal benefit from the operation in the form of frogspawn ;D ! I'm happy for you !
Piton and Clair look very nice but they are way ahead of their brethren overhere.
I am puzzled by the name P humilis "Shantung" though - I've never heard of it in that context and the flower looks like the normal Shantung (formosana x confusa) ? Maybe something got mixed up somehow ?
Anyway, thanks again for posting the pix, I hope there will be much more Pleione shown as the season progresses.
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Re humilis Shantung ; yes, you are correct, Luc, the mistake is here. Was thinking more of photos than of names!
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Ok Maggi - that's a relief ! I thought I had missed something somewhere... ;D
By the way - have you noticed I am no longer a junior member ? :D
Quite proud of myself I have finally turned "full"... 8)
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Luc, it is a sad fact that as time goes by, many of us DO turn fuller!
Not too many look likethis: [attach=1]
I like you just the way you are, a full and fully valued member of the Forum!
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:-[
Thanks Maggi - and as you can see from my avatar - it's not exactly my silhouet you've pictured above. ;D
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Some interesting Pleione forrestii - different forms.
Hans
from Austria
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Most interesting to seethese different forms of P. forrestii, Hans. The first one is a very beautiful portrait.
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Beautiful shots Hans and what variations - the second one is quite distinct - some P. forrestii alba blood there ????
I've got my Pleione rainier flowering at the moment (P. shantung x P. humilis)
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Two more Pleione flowering for me today :
1) Pleione San Salvador (P. Shantung x P. forrestii) - quite colourful I think
2) Pleione formosana alba "Polar Sun" - they don't come any whiter than this one...
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Luc, wonderful Pleiones. I have lost my Polar Sun.
And here is my Ranier
Hans
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Hi Hans !
Glad you like them - Your Ranier seems quite different from my clone - much more brown markings on the lip ! Beautiful
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Hi Luc,
Thank you for pointing me here.
This is one of my favourites,
Pleione Harlequin Norman.
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Another favourite partly because it is my Daughters name,
Pleione Doreen.
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Now I have got started 2 more, I think Avalanche is a bit plain but OK in with others
Pleione Orinoco.
Pleione Avalanche.
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Your Doreen is a lovely girl, Derek!
I think Avalanche is simply beautiful!
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Rakata Rock Dove, ?? and Hekla Locking St. (?)
Hans
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Hi Derek,
Nice to see you here in Pleioneland. Some beautiful plants you have there - I have a Doreen too, but she's not my daughter ;D It's Britania Doreen and she'll be flowering in a couple of days..
Harlequin Norman is very colourful to that's another one to put on my wants list.
Adn I'm with you Maggi - all the alba forms of formosana are very beautiful indeed.
Hans, Your nr 3 is definitely hekla Locking Stumps.
Nr two does look very much like a Rakata, but I don't know the clone Rock Dove - so I can't confirm.
What's nr 1 ????
I hope to be able to post some more of my own tomorrow or the day after - the higher temperatures (we had 15 °C today) are speeding things up now.
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Luc, the first is from Mr. Butterfield and should be Rakata Rock Dove. This Pleione is very large (15cm high).
Hans
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You've got me all puzzled there Hans - I'd say the third picture (DSCF 8778) is Locking stumps... not the first one.
I don't know what the first picture is though (DSCF 8692) ???
Or are we mixing things up ? ???
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3 more Pleiones flowering right now and a lot more to come the following days.
1) P. deriba
2) P. hekla "Locking Stumps" - that's my specimen Hans
3) P. pleionoïdes
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Some more Pleiones flowering, safely inside, while hail is making a mess outside :'(
Hope you enjoy them
1 & 2 Pleione yunnanensis
3) P. britannia 'Doreen' (this is mine Derek)
4) P. paricutin - rather small flower but I love the strong coloured lip
5) P. x barbarae the natural hybrid of P. grandiflora and P. bulbocodioides
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Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh again!!!!!
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Luc,
These are extraordinarily beautiful and a plant I do not grow except for a few of the more ordinary cultivars.
Many thanks, Paddy
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Thanks Paddy and David - glad you like them - you should think about starting to grow them - gives you a great winter occupation repotting them when there's not much else going on in and around the garden.
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Luc, I would love to have a go but at present I just do not have the space available under glass.
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I guess that's a problem we all share David - we have to make choices in life....
Mind you - they spend most of their time outside ....
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This is the last of mine to flower,never had one to have two blooms I am not sure if that has made them smaller.Luk have you grown this one before as it does not seem to fit description it came from Ian Butterfield.It is P.Tal`Red Tailed Hawk`
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Hi Derek !
Very nice Pleione - and it's not unusual for a fully grown bulb to produce two flower stems - you should have two bulbs next year !
I have'nt grown Tall "Red tailed hawk" - but from the Butterfield catalogue, it does seem to fit the discription :
"Dark purple pink flowers with lips which are almost solid dark red with yellow keels"
I hope to post some more of mine tomorrow - today was too dark to make decent photographs.
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Pleione forrestii, not perfect, but semi-alba
Pleione pleionoides (3x)? (an extraordinary dark red, not a hybrid)
Pleione formosana Iris?
Pleione Eiger Cream Form? (white)
Hans
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Hans, By the looks of those I have a long way to go.
Derek
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Some great specimen Hans !
I love the alba form of forrestii but have never been able to find one :'(
I love the dark red lipped pleionoides too Hans - beautiful - I'm posting one myself later on.
As to formosana Iris, I believe you can remove the question mark - it looks very much like mine anyway.
Here's my harvest for this week :
1) Pl. pleionoides - dark red form (Wit my thanks to Jozef Lemmens.)
2) Pl. irazu "Cheryl" - very soft colours
3) Pl. shantung "Ducat"
4) Pl. rakata "Shot Silk" - it doesn't open completely - it has two petals that are attached to one another..
More to come in a few days and hoping for other contributors.
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The next Pleiones
P. grandiflorum : P. Hekla Berg : P. Hekla Locking Stumps Berg ; P. Britannia Doreen
Hans
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Nice flowers Hans, but what do you mean with "Hekla Berg" and "Hekla Locking stumps - Berg" ???
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Luc,
these Pleiones are from Mr. J. Berg who was an excellent grower of Pleiones. I am very sadden he died the last year.
Hans
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The next Pleiones : Pleione grandiflora 1
Pleione grandiflora 2
Pleione Irazu Cheryl
Pleione Shantung
Pleione Shantung Ducat
Pleione albiflora Pinchbeck Diamond ? (R. Potterton)
Pleione formosana Snow White
Hans
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Great show Hans ! I love the grandiflora's - I'm not all that succesfull with them - mine are hardly showing a bud and I don't think there will be flowers inside :'(
I hope to be posting some others tonight or tomorrow.
Thanks for sharing
Luc
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Here's some more from me - season slowly nearing its end... :'( and the forecasted heat (25° C on Friday !!!!) won't do them much good - but here we go :
1) Pleione shantung 'Ridgeway' - an all time favourite !
2) Pleione alishan 'Mt Fuji'
3) Pleione shantung 'Topscore'
4) Pleione kilauea
Luc
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Absolutely gorgeous all of you. I shall have to give them a try.
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Hello David,
If you really want to get hooked, just go and have a look(if you don't already know it) at Paul Cumbleton's site :
http://www.pleione.info/
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Luc,
Noo........ don't give me more websites to look at. The pics you post HERE are bad enough to get me addicted to the darn things. I don't need MORE of them!!!!! :o
Veeery nice pics you've posted. I must admit I haven't actually gone to look at the website. I don't think I want to start crying from jealousy right at the moment. ;D
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Hi Paul,
I could send you some very small bulbils if you were interested, but I don't think they will be considered as seeds by your health services.... :( .... and do have a look at the website... if it's too much for you, you can always consider getting drunk... ???? ;D
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Luc,
More smashing pictures of Pleiones,I have now got a long list for next year.
It is easy writing a list more difficult paying for them.
Derek
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Glad you like them Derek - here's some more - this heat is making them go over much faster than they should though... :'(
1) Pleione stromboli "Fireball"
2) P. bulbocodioides, a clone with a very long and narrow trumpet...
3) P. tongariro
4) P. vesuvius "Tawny Owl" - a new favourite for me.
Come on Hans - I'm sure you've got some more up your sleeve as well ???
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The next Pleiones. I hope all names are correct (chunii???).
Hans
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And the last for today!
Hans
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Wow - that's quite a series Hans - I like that Surtsey a lot !
What you call Chunii might very well be Yunnanensis though - if it's a small flower (impossible to say from the picture) then I would go for Yunnanensis.
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Great pics. THe Pleiones are so far off here it is really great to see them. ;D
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Hans and Luc it has been a privilage to see all Your pics. 8) :o ;D
I have no pleones myself since they are not really hardy in Sweden but I might concider them in Portugal outdoors. I do not know if they can stand high summer temperatures. Does anyone know?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Hi Joakim !
Glad you liked the pix.
My experience is that Pleione suffer a lot when it becomes very hot in summer - we have (more and more) spells of quite hot weather (a couple of weeks per year of over 30°C - with max. around 36°C) but this is only Belgium... By your standards this might only be reasonably warm ;D ???
From what I know, they don't appreciate temperatures over 30°C - a humid atmosphere can be helpful, but it remains a problem
You can find lots of information an the site I already mentioned earlier in the thread : http://www.pleione.info/
You can always have a try with some easy ones (PL. formosana ?) and see what happens.
Luc
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Thanks for the info Luc
To me that have not been in a long hot Portuguese summer yet I think +35C is warm. I am used to Sweden with maximums (one every few years) slightly above 30 and then the country is only working in half speed. Normal good summer temps are 25C and I am in the south part of Sweden
I will be on the look out for pleones in Portugal and if I can not see anyone I think that is a sign that they are not easy here. So far I have not seen any. They might still be possible but not that easy. Things that grow well have a tendency to be popular and spread.
I am not sure if I dare to look at the link. I am almost hooked and I want to let it stay like that untill I know it is possible to grow them here.
Joakim
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Joakim,
I get to around 40'C most summers here, with plenty of 35'C each year (and often a solid week of them during Feb). The Pleiones don't seem to have any probs at all with the heat, but they are grown somewhere that they get protected from afternoon sun (under a large deciduous Magnolia x soulangeana). I seem to recall that the worst I've had is some browning of the tips on weeks of extreme heat, but that is all. Certainly the most basic varieties sail through without a problem at all. I am only recently doing more collecting again so I have to find out whether others have any problems. We had plenty of heat this summer nad I haven't lost any of them to heat yet...... only ones I have lost are to the damn possums back when they were freshly planted. 3 varieties mysteriously disappeared one night! <sigh> Everything else is growing fine at the moment, even those that were given to me as quite small bulbils from the top of a bulb (rather than the larger proper bulbs with roots etc).
I hope that is some help.
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If we have a cold (max. 30°C) and rainy summer here in Austria, I will propagate my collection (2x). Otherwise I will lose many plants like forrestii, yunnanensis, hookeriana, scopulorum,...). But maculata and other Pleiones do like higher temperatures, so they do grow better in Italy than in the Austrian Alps.
Hans
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Some unknown Pleiones - maybe x barbarae and Vesuvius Phoenix
Hans
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Another beautiful series Hans !
I agree with you that they must all be x barbarae - and good ones too ! Vesuvius 'Phoenix' looks very good too !
I hope to post some of mine tonight or tomorrow - I'm pretty much nearing the end of the season though.
Luc
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Here's some of my last for this season :
1) Pleione asama
2) Pleione species (I think it is a pleionoides clone, but not absolutely sure - but I love it anyway)
3) Pleione yunnanensis - unbelievably strong flower - the flower to the right lasted for at least a month !
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Some new Pleiones. Some Pleiones do not open the flowers. Too dry substrate?
Hans
Austria
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I have the same problem Hans - quite some buds have dried up without opening - I have watered them occasionally but I think it has simply been too hot - we've had 23-29 degrees here - and under glass a lot more - I don't think they like these conditions.
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The last flowering Pleiones?
Hans
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Some different Pleione hookeriana with very different bulbs (very small or tall). All have started to flower during heavy rain
Hans
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Hans, 3 more lovely Pleiones I think the first is best.
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Lovely pics everyone!
I have a few small bulbs from the AGS seed exchange. Nothing fancy, just unnamed hybrids. I was wondering how long do I have to wait for them to flower, so my question is which would be the average bulb size at flowering time?
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Hi Hans !
Nice pix once more - my hookeriana doesn't seem to take the trouble to flower this year :(.
For the rest, my season is over - I posted the last of my P x barbarae to flower in the flowering now thread last week....
All my pots are outside now hoping for a good season to get them really big for next season. ;D
Hi Razvan,
Welcome to the Pleione club !
I suppose you planted the bulbils out earlier on this year, if they respond well, you should have little bulbs of abt 0,5 cm diameter by the end of the season - no flower yet to be expected in 2008.
If they develop ok again next year, depending on the species, you could have some flowers in 2009, if not, then in 2010 for sure.
Once the leaf has developed fully, feed them some liquid tomato fertilizer every 10 days or so - that will help.
At least, that's the way I treat them.
Good growing ! ;)
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One of my last flowering Pleiones. An excellent red, the colour on the photo is not true, it is much darker! Today we have +34°C and this is not good for most Pleiones. We expect a thunderstorm with heavy hail (like hen's egg).
Hans
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My God Hans, that's a late one !!! It's a quite good one though - nice firy red.
I hope you got through the thunderstorms ok with not too much hail... :-\
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Spathoglottis ixioides, an orchid like Pleiones.
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What a strong, bright, yellow flower for such a small plant! It is only about 8 to 10 cms high, is that correct?
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Yes, it is only about 10 cm high.
Hans
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What is that? Will it be a flowering Pleione grandiflora??
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Very strange Hans - plants seem to loose their minds and their sence of seasons in this funny year ???
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And here in my garden in Canberra, Australia we have buds almost showing colour on the first of the Pleiones!! Looking forward to some of their wonderful flowers. Looking at this thread from time to time reminds me of just how gorgeous they are!!
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Don't forget to show them Paul - we still have five or 6 months to go before we can enjoy our own again ! :D
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Luc,
I'll try, just don't be expecting the wonderful and exotic types that have been posted in prior pages!! ;D Then again, some of the varieties I have are still pretty spectacularly coloured.
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The first flowering Pleione praecox in autumn 2007
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Hans,
And this morning I discovered P. pleionioides (I think that spelling is wrong, but I'm guessing you'll know what I mean) had opened. Forgot to photograph it unfortunately so I can't post a pic of it. Rather cool to have your autumn species opening the same day as my spring species down here in the Southern Hemisphere. ;D
Up until the Pleione threads on the SRGC I hadn't realised that there were even autumn flowering species!!
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Hi Hans !
Even for a P. praecox this is verrrry early isn't it ??? ???
I don't grow any autumn flowering specizes so I'm not that familiar...
Looks good though !
Paul,
Forgetting to photograph something is no excuse >:(
I suggest you run out right now (oop's I guess it's dark overthere now ;D) - and make that picture ! ;)
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Pleione x laggenaria (Nachzüchtung)
Hans
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Beautiful Hans.
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Hans,
Very nice!!
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Lovely flowers, Hans. My equivalents are all lopsided this year, pity.
I say equivalent because I believe the name for the man made hybrid between Pln maculata and Pln praecox is Confirmation, only the natural hybrid is known as Pln x Lagenaria. :)
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Beautiful flowers Hans - I should give these autumn flowering pleione a try - so far I haven't got any.
Maren,
Welcome to the forum and to the Pleione club ! :)
Always great to find another fellow Pleione grower - We all hope to read and see more of you !! ;)
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Hi Maureen glad to see you posting, the ones I had from you last year have done well thank you.
Derek
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thank you for the welcome, much appreciated. Derek, I'm glad to hear that your pleiones did well. I have just started lifting mine, and I am very keen to see the results of my change in culture this season. Basically, I doubled the feed and there are some real whoppers, especially the formosana and aurita liked it, huge bulbs with 2 to 3 buds. But not all responded well eg. forrestii, so there's a lesson there.
By the way, the name is Maren. ;D
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In the distant days when we used to grow a lot of pleiones, we made the mistake one year of feeding them up... we got huge bulbs all right, but at the expense of flowering... lots of lovely big leaves, that's all.... so beware of going down that route, Maren! ::)
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Howdy All,
I've taken some pics of others recently, but this is the only one I've processed so far.....
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It's Pleione 'Tiger Fire' with it's strongly marked lip. Has become a favourite of mine... thanks Rob!! Apologies for the background muck. Didn't notice it at the time obviously, and too late now to retake the photo without withered floral remains in the background. ::)
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Don't worry about the background when you're treating us with Pleione pix Paul !
This one looks a lot like P. stromboli 'Fireball'.
Hope there's a lot more to come ! after all, we've got 5 or 6 more months to go before ours flower again.
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Shantung, which isn't as yellow as I had expected, but we've had hot weather and it may have faded somewhat even before it opened?
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Looks good and healthy to me Paul - despite the heat !
It almost looks like a P. grandiflora colourwise.
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So how yellow should it be? Is it the right colour?
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It depends which clone you have Paul. x Shantung is a grex, i.e. all the seedlings from the cross but many seedlings have been selected and named. Some, like `Mikki' are very pale yellow and ever so slightly pinkish, others like `Ducat' or `Ridgeway' are much closer to pure yellow. `Apricot Brandy' is soft yellow and pale pink, and so on. But I've never seen one with real white like yours. Are you sure of its origins?
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Lesley,
I was looking at it yesterday when it was raining (well wasn't actually raining, but it was a mucky day) and the flower actually is a very pale creamy yellowy colour, not white, so there definitely is yellow parentage in it. I was given it as 'Shantung', without any additional moniker associated with it. I had realised that there were other 'Shantung ...... ' but assumed this was just an "original" type or parent of those etc (if you know what I mean), not realising that there wasn't actually a 'Shantung' itself.
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Paul, Lesley,
Looking at my records, this came originally from the Gillanders. It's not impossible that the name got swapped there (my Calycanthus floridus came to me as Sinocalycanthus for example), but they didn't offer that many other Pleiones to mistake it with (if you understand me).
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Rob,
Was about to email you about it, as didn't want to mention where I got it from without checking first. How yellow does it appear in your climate? You guys don't normally get the spring heat like we do (high 20'Cs last week here for example, for those reading who are wondering) so I figure yours may be higher intensity of colour due to less bleaching.
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Paul,
Not as yellow as I remember it from previous years, but still more jaundiced than yours & with a pink tinge to the outer petals. I got this back in 2000; pretty sure I remember Ken saying they'd originally imported them straight from Europe. I think it's just an unnamed seedling from the grex.
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You guys don't normally get the spring heat like we do (high 20'Cs last week here for example, for those reading who are wondering)
??? ??? ??? We are to have 8C today - if we're lucky. It certainly isn't that yet (mid day) and there are a few flakes of snow falling. Up to low 20s last week tho'. Don't we just LOVE this weather. :-\
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Paul & Lesley,
Well it was in the mid 20s a few days ago - warm enough to open the first flower on the Thelymitra in the garden. Back to 7 or 8 overnight with a high in the teens the last couple of days. I think they were forecasting mountain snow at the end of last week. Just off to post the Simpliglottis Paul, good luck with it.
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Rob,
Sounds like you're posting me some sort of disease!! :P Yes, I'm hoping they will do OK as well. At least there will be enough to have a bit of an experiment with them hopefully.
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Hi Paul,
An unexpected discussion developping here ;D
What makes me doubt the most about the correct name of your (beautiful) Pleione is the markings on the lip. Shantung is normally spotted brick red.
There are white (or almost white) Shantung around though but all are spotted much darker. Look higher in the thread (pages 3-4) where you'll find Shantung 'Topscore', 'Ducat' and 'Ridgeway' from myself and more from Hans. There are also some Grandiflora pix from Hans, they come pretty close to your specimen.
Whatever the name though, it's a nice flower and after all, that's the
main thing.
I hope you show us some more. ;)
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Now the last Pleione praecox is flowering
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Such elegance!
I see you have some snow already, Hans .
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Great flowers Hans !
I really have to consider having some of these autums/winter flowering Pleione...