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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: tonyg on February 01, 2007, 11:57:00 PM
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:) What lovely weather we are having :)
The crocuses think so anyway ... and it is brighter with cool nights so they are looking better than they did a few weeks ago. I have noticed signs of a good seed set on the autumn taxa perhaps this mild spell will help the spring ones to set good seed too.
Here is a pick of the current crop.
Crocus antanlyensis
Crocus biflorus biflorus - interesting as it has greyish anthers (normally yellow)
Crocus biflorus creweii - very small, also has greyish anthers (it shoud have!)
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And some more
Crocus biflorus iasuricus - very variable
Crocus dalmaticus - one flower has darker markings than usual, rathre like Franz's Iris Katharine Hodgekin in a recent thread
Crocus chrysanthus - ex wild. Note the variationin colour of flower and style.
Crocus corsicus - definately true. Note the feathering and shape/colour, different from C imperati (discussed in January!)
More tomorrow - if time allows!
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A lovely start to the month Tony. Many thanks. No sign yet of autumn flowering ones down here.
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Great plants, Tony!
Maybe the dark markings of your C. dalmaticus are caused by a virus?!
Many of my crocus are out of the ground, but due to lack of sunshine they are closed
most of the time. Yesterday I had half an hour for a few shots when sun came out.
Crocus adanensis
Crocus biflorus ssp nubigena, still looks great with its black anthers
C. angustifolius with variable markings on the outer petals
C. biflorus ssp isauricus - also very variable plants
C. alatavicus from Leonid Bondarenko - his new catalogue is online NOW
C. olivieri ssp olivieri - wonderful bright yellow plants collected on Chios
And three different form of C. etruscus:
Rosalind, a Dutch selection
from Janis Ruksans:
from a German nursery:
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Hi, John Gennard posted these wonderful shots in the "DownUnder" page, by mistake. I repost them for him here. John lives in the heart of Leicestershire, England where it does seem that the season is well advanced!
John asked, !Is it Spring already"
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As Thomas Huber replied to John : "WOW"
I must say, it looks a lot like spring to me!
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Hello Tony and Thomas, wonderful flowers
Thomas, is your olivieri ssp. olivieri not a Crocus flavus ssp.flavus
olivieri has few broad leafs.
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Yes, Dirk - I also wondered about these relatively small leaves.
But I'm sure, that I've seen the correct corm tunic, when I received them!
Will have a look at it when dormant!
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Tony & Thomas some superb snowdrops - whoops I mean Crocus ;D ;D ;D.
I am quite warming to the idea of growing more Crocus - yes, in spite of my white blinkers, I do grow Crocus at the moment, but mostly tommies, but the forms that you are both showing greatly encouarge me to be more adventurous!!
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Thomas - your crocus always look better than mine. It is so good to see them growing in a garden rathr than pots :)
I am hoping that the dark markings are not virus. There are no other signs (twisted petals, streaky leaves). The other flower is older and has become paler as it has aged which exaggerates the difference.
I have to agree with Dirk, your Crocus olivieri does look exactle like Crocus flavus ... and not just in the flowers. The yellow/brown cataphylls extending well above ground along with the plentiful leaves are all much more typical of C flavus. Here are a couple of pics of my plants to back up the idea.
Dont be fooled by the pictures - C olivieri flower is quite a bit smaller than C flavus.
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And here are some more from the February Flower Fiesta!
Crocus graveolens - narrow petals and unpleasant scent.
Crocus imperati - seedlings ex De Jager, variable markings.
Crocus paschei - very similar to C adanensis as I grow it.
Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis - fantastic shape as the flowers open and I love the slight bicolour effect
Crocus versicolor - 2 forms
I bring the majority into the greenhouse as the flowers open to enjoy them, record them and hopefully help them set seed.
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I have one or two crocuses out and today the best were Crocus tommasinianus and C. flavus - both grown from seed.
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Hello for everybody..
I am posting some photos of olivieri olivieri from wild. Maybe it can help a littile. The style always divided to six. There are two or three broad leaves just grow out. Some times dark flower tube.
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And my flavus flavus the style is very simple and short. Five or four leaves same longer with flowers.
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This is the last from yellew series which I have seen this week. Chrysanthus; these were small like biflorus, bright yellow, some times deep purple fower tube, five or four fine leaves and always three divided red style. They are small but always with very big amount. Flavus and olivieri just with little amount.
best regard.. for the moment.
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Here are some photos from biflorus grp. To identify is realy complex. They are all known by the name biflorus adamii with short filament. I am not sure if they are enaught short.
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This one I have seen between b. adamii which is very common in this area. It was only one with very long five leaves. In my opinion it should be biflorus biflorus.
regards..
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Very helpful, Ibrahim and very beautiful, too. Thank you.
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A close up of my clump os C tommasinianus 'Roseus' showed some suspicious-looking stripes. Is this bad news?
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Super pictures everyone.
John Gennard, very nice sea of crocus you have there. How many years did it take to make?
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Ibrahim - great shots of your wild plants. It would be nice to see any pictures of the habitat where they grew and of the plants in quantity.
Anne - I dont think you have a lot to worry about, your plants look vigorous. This kind of colour break does occur in C tommasinianus occasionally. It may even be a seasonal freak. I have a plant distributed by John Grimshaw (Colesbourne) which he named Wandering Minstrel which he thinks is a hybrid with C vernus. It has extensive random streaks on the outer petals. If it was virus would it not effect the whole flower?
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This is our C. t. 'Roseus' taken yesterday in bright sunshine. (lesson for David, don't take pics in bright sunshine)
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Ibrahim - those are really great shots - and I agree with Tony:
Show us where they live, please!
Re flavus-olivieri, I've checked the Mathew-Bible:
Crocus flavus was not known on Chios in 1982 and Brian mentions, that
olivieri from Chios (near the Turkish coast) has rather narrow leaves, up
to 5 in number while the plants from mainland Greece have the typical
broad, few leaves.
But I wonder about the 3 devided style (see Ibrahims 6 devided style)
and again I agree with Tony that my plant really looks like C. flavus.
I promise to have a look again at the corm tunic in summer!
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Brilliant, just brilliant! you guys have been so busy in my absence.
In just 3 days while I was away masses have come in to bloom in my greenhouse
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Fabulous ! All your crocuses are fantastic. I'm particularly happy to see natural variations, and I didn't know C. olivieri ssp. olivieri...
May I ask some basic questions :-[?
How do you differenciate easily C. flavus and C. chrysanthus ?
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Hello Bio.
First of all I want to say welcome. I have been in your country for some years. I like
paris so much.
The difference between chrysanthus and flavus ssp flavus, while chrysanthus has three diveded red style, flavus ssp flavus has very short and simple one and chrysanthus is smaller and brighter then flavus ssp flavus.
I would like to your other crocus pictures too. (specialy vitellinus)
Tony & Thomas :( This time unfortunately I don't have long distance pictures. I'll have next time. The all pics are from region Kırklareli (nw corner of Turkey) where my parents live.
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Now I'll continue with very small one. I could say it was a danforiae but they don't
have yellow throat. I don't know if they have to have. My all white danfordiae have except Tony's one in the crocus pages (largest one).
I will prefer to call them biflorus weldenii which is not regestered in turkish plants data service. one thing more my b. weldenii pics have not anthers with black lobes.
Can somebody confirm me?
lots of thanks..
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Merci Ibrahim :D ! I will observed scrupulously my plants.
Please find here the photos of my C. vitellinus : it is from a french nursery, don't produce seeds and don't seem to have vegetative multiplication as these 5 bulbs are planted for years...
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a lateral view
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I visited Chios twenty years ago in March. In the screes sumless of yellow Crocuses flowered.
Crocus oliveri ssp.balansae
Crocus oliveri ssp.balansae
Crocus oliveri ssp.balansae ?
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Franz, are these photos from your visit to Chios twenty years ago? I ask this because if so, then you did not have a digital camera in that time, and so these must be from scanned slides... is this so? The quality is excellent, as all your photos are. If you have scanned slides of such quality, perhaps you are still using slide film, now, and not digital? Please tell us a little about your camera etc. If you have mentioned this previously, please forgive me, I try to remember, but I am not always, or even often successful these days!
Thank you,
Maggi
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Maggi,
The photos are from scanned slides and the slides are 20 years old. I used at that time a Nikon FM2 and an AGFA CT18 filmstrip. I scan my old slides with a CANOSCAN FS2710. At present I make only digital photos with a four years old Nikon D100 camera.
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Franz, this is very exciting, Ian has been having difficulties about scanning slides to get quality results and this will be of great interest. Many thanks for your help.
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Crocus oliveri ssp. balansae in my garden.
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Maggi, look at my web site 70 % are scanned pictures.
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here is another Crocus supplied as wild type C. chrysanthus. Remember I said I wont see the garden for 22 days? Well yesterday I sneaked home while doing an errand for work. I had to and I'm sure you'll agree when I tell you it was a cloudless warm day
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here are a few more sneaky photos
Crocus minima
Crocus sieberi 'Ronald Ginns' - I must buy more
Crocus cvijicii
Crocus tomm. 'Lilac Beauty'
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Franz, I never realised you were using so many scanned photos on your site... one which I enjoy VERY MUCH and would encourage everyone to visit, I might say!
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Bio I thank you for your nice photos. Yours vitellinus look nice this year the weather is very nice too I hope they will increase rapidly. I have some fall crocus
they already have started to set seed.
Franz your photos very wonderfull like always. I have visited your marvellous website.
I will attach one bettter pic of pestalozzae and its native location.
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Ibrahim its wonderful to see plants in the wild . Thank you
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And this one is present for the croconuts. First one is not very showy but it can tell
details. When I found it was just waiting for me.
It made me an extra flower it was also quite like first one. I will keep my eyes on it. I'll call it olivieri white till find a better name.
best regards..
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What a lovely blue in the stem! Very elegant.
You are making this croconut very happy, Ibrahim!
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Very nice crocus pics from everyone. Always so good for us at home to see plants in the wild.
Ibrahim - your biflorus ?weldenii looks very like a plant I have from a good source. He named it biflorus alexandrii but that is not listed for your area either! This only shows us that there is much to be learnt about the plants, new forms and new distribution patterns to be discovered. I have seen black lobes on the anthers of C danfordiae but I am unsure if this a stable feature or just a seasonal one.
The white olivieri - at first I thought it might be C candidus which has the same broad leaves but is white flowered ... but that must have a yellow throat. I think you are correct to call your find C olivieri. Almost all crocus have albino forms. I have seen a pure white C cvijicii, another taxa that is normally pure yellow.
Mark - your yellow mystery is C angustifolius.
Bio - I have grown C vitellinus (stock form Holland) but I do not find it easy. My corms split into many small ones which no longer flower :( Where and how do you grow yours?
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Tony thanks
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Ibrahim, what a privilage to see these little beauties in their natural state. Perhaps you can also take some pics of Ophrys spp. and Galanthus spp.? Thank you so much for posting them.
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Ibrahim,
I am always happy to see plants in the wild. Thank you for showing us your find.
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Here are pictures of a crocus I have grown as C. oliveri from Chios.
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My thanks also to all crocus posters while I wait for the temperatures to rise enough to open our crocus flowers. There are plenty in bud but with no warmth to open them they just grow taller and fall over before withering. I do take some into the kitchen but there are too many to take them all in and I do not like to disturb the root tips that may be through the bottom of the pot into the sand plunge too much.
Ibrahim, I especially like your white olivieri and how good to see the habitat for pestalozzae.
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Ian wrote: There are plenty in bud but with no warmth to open them they just grow taller and fall over before withering.
The same happens in my garden
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Crocus sieberi 'Ronald Ginns' - I must buy more
Where is it possible to buy this beautifull plant ?
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Very nice crocus pics from everyone.
I think too !
Bio - I have grown C vitellinus (stock form Holland) but I do not find it easy. My corms split into many small ones which no longer flower :( Where and how do you grow yours?
Mine is from this nursery http://www.bulbargence.com
I grow C. vitellinus in a pot placed in the earth, against a ancient wall faced to south. I don't remember precisely but I think they are at about 7-10 cm deepth.
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Hello Ibrahim, grown also blue forms between white Crocus pestallozae?
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Tony I be grateful to you...
It is realy very satisfying for me. You are right for leaves of olivieri white. They are exactly like c candidus.
Dirk I realy tryed to find one blue forms of pestalozze but I couldn't :( They were all white.
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It's been a few days since we last saw the sun here either.
We now have 5 cm of snow since this early morning - it should be changing into rain soon though... Not likely that any crocus will open up today or tomorrow... :(
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Here are a few pictures of currently crocus flowers in my garden:
Crocus fleischeri
Crocus biflorus ssp. crewei
Crocus imperati ssp. suaveolens
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Great pictures Franz !
That Imperati is my favourite !
I think I detect some sunrays on the flowers though so your weather does seem to have improved ! ;)
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Hello Franz,
very nice Crocus imperati, is the second a ssp.imperati `Albus`?
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Hello Dirk,
I grew Crocus imperati ssp. suaveolens from seeds which in Apennine Mountains was collected. I have different colour variants.
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A few pictures from last week.
This is what I have as C. olivieri ssp. balansae,
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with striped outer segments,
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looking just as good closed and when open.
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Also C. minimus
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Andrew, can you reach out and wipe my chin please, I'm drooling again ;D
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sieberi Roanald Ginns is available from Potterton http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_plant.php?pid=1174 (http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_plant.php?pid=1174) "Pale pink to white petals with dark purple feathering on the outside and a yellow throat. An excellent recent introduction raised by Mr. Ray Cobb from Nottingham. Hardy
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Andrew, your crocus pics are just beautiful but would you kindly be a good lad and do as the Goddess asks? She'd like them in thumbnails, as we can click on the pic or the file name to enlarge quickly. All you need to do is add the word "thumb" to the word "attach." Thanks a million.
Lovely pics from everyone. Crocus minimus is my most favourite of all I think and with a very long season but the white imperati is a winner.
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When typing the post immediately above I wrote "all you have to do is write [attachthumb=(the number)] "and this is what came out in the post
In fact, I can't repeat what I wrote because the formula for attaching a thumbnail actually LOOKS for the thumbnail and if it doesn't find it, gives the above message.
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I think my daughter is right, when she says:
Daddy, you have tomatoes on your eyes!
WHERE DO YOU SEE A WHITE IMPERATI?????
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Andrew, your crocus pics are just beautiful but would you kindly be a good lad and do as the Goddess asks? She'd like them in thumbnails, as we can click on the pic or the file name to enlarge quickly. All you need to do is add the word "thumb" to the word "attach." Thanks a million.
I'll not sure how to word this to be diplomatic and we have been here before so, the two pictures of C. minimus I posted are both smaller in size than the thumbnails above and below them. This means they are quicker downloading, take up less space - which was a problem recently and you have a large image ready downloaded saving wear and tear on your mouse/wrist :) ;)
Thank you
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Thomas, see this post by Franz:
« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2007, 09:52:42 AM
I repost the pic below, I believe that this pale version is the one to which Lesley refers.
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It is a beauty and is paler than the one shown below it in Franz' post.
Andrew, yes, we have been here before. The matter of file sizes is "beyond the ken" of many readers here and so the protocol is for the thumbnails. Please bear with me!
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Here is a shot of our C. imperati, to show the darker colour more usually found
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Thanks, Maggi!
OK, it's paler than the others,
but to call it "white" or Albus..... ???
In every case it's a beauty!!!!
Don't worry, Hubi, Lesley was only calling it "white" in passing, to distinguish it, she's not goingto be publishing any papers appending the name Albus to this lovely crocus in any official way!
Err....are you , Lesley? :P Maggi
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Please forgive this heresy (Franzs plants are always correctly named) but this pale imperati has a couple of features which resemble C biflorus ssp biflorus. The pale blue shade is more biflorus than imperati which is commonly that bright lilac seen in other shots. The style looks bright red and club-like at the end. Its a beautiful crocus - Franz have you another picture of the inside of the flower?
PS - I grow a white imperati ... very white! (But it looks very like C malyi - the source of my plant is as unimpeachable as Franz though!)
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I feel I must return to the point about picture sizes and the use of thumbnails. I apologise to Andrew for a rather sniffy reply I made to him earlier. The point about his picture sizes is about pix which are large (pixel dimensions) but size small in compression(Mb)
Thus, Andrew's pictures ARE smaller, in MB size than our thumbnails, so he has a valid point.
There is, of course, more to compression of files than meets the eye, if you'll forgive the phrase......depending on the way files are saved the size can be much reduced in Mb size, while retaining quality.
A quote from a helpful chum, "In a digital image that is being displayed on the web you can get rid of an awful lot of the data in the image without affecting the quality - a screen is very limited, relatively, in how much information it can display. By getting rid of information by correct compression you don't effectively degrade the quality." Thus 2 pictures can have identical pixel sizes but very different Mb sizes.
I had hoped to avoid all this technical stuff, because, for the most part, the perception of readers is that larger pix mean longer downloads and it is just simpler for all to stick with the thumbnail plea.
The friend quoted above has raised very handy points about forum settings that we will be looking into which may mean better download times for the forum. I thank him for his assistance in this matter.
Main gist of all this stuff is: Andrew, sorry if you were put upon unduly. Everyone else, just follow the protocol set out in the help/advice threads, please!
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See some imperati forms from the Crocus pages: http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/imperati%20imperati.htm
Yummy, ain't they?
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Now why didn't I think of linking out to Crocus Pages? ::)
And there is the white imperati too :)
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Yes indeedy! :P
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Maggi
There is loads of stuff on posting pictures scattered all over the forum. I know you are one very busy lady but could it all be gathered together so that those of us who are less experienced with pics can find it all in one place?
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David where have you been all this time.
Click here, Maggi did it months ago.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=41.0
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My sincere apologies to Andrew and to Maggi for apparently raising a storm in a teacup, I'd better learn to keep my mouth closed on issues about which I know next to nothing.
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Nothing wrong with a storm in a teacup Lesley ... mixes the sugar in nicely!
Just a few pics today.
Crocus baytopiorum - my 'best' form
Crocus graveolens - open flower from the form pictured earlier with stippled outer petals.
Crocus corsicus 'trade' form (left) and Crocus imperati seed raised (right) - side by side - showing some differences between these closely related taxa. Thomas point about the yellow throat of this corsicus has raised real doubts in my mind. However you will see that these two are quite different.
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More great pix, Tony. we're getting more crocus opening here ,but not at any great speed... never mind, with the pix from the forum and ours still to come, we are getting a super-long season to enjoy!
Lesley, no need to apologise, you raised a point which has been made before and which we would prefer forumists to adhere to. The fact that neither you, nor I , fully has the grasp of the finer points of digital image manipulation matters little really, since most folks here are in the same boat, I reckon!
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Tony,
Here are other pictures of the inside of the flower of C. imperati ssp. suaveolens.
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Super Crocuses from Tony and Franz who obviously grow in the 'banana belt'. Mine are very slow to surface in comparison or are damaged by the weather. Those in pots which are protected are making no real effort despite words of encouragement from me. Just this Crocus korolkowii Kiss of Spring taken before the grey skies came over.
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Thanks to Franz for posting the extra pics of C imperati suaveolens. I think the colour that looked so unusual may just be a trick of the light. They are beautiful plants and the variation is interesting as always.
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I spotted this crocus hiding in the greenhouse. It was labelled 'Unknown', but looks like a cross between Crocus heuffelianus and C. sieberi, but it could just be a variant of C. s. sieberi? It opened in the warmth of the kitchen.
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Whatever it is Anthony : it's a real beauty !!!
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Never thought I would be posting on the crocus forum as I have only grown those that do well without my intervention in the open garden. However, a recent foray into a few different ones has seen then flowering in a cold greenhouse. Is it a catching disease?
Crocus aff sieberi (corrections accepted!)
Paddy
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I think yours is C. sieberi ssp sieberi Anthony. There's a pic of mine on the old Forum Southern Hemisphere, winter June to August. (Maggi, how do you add a link here from somewhere else, like the old Forum? I see a little icon next to the insert email icon - yeah, I'm looking now - but how do you actually GET it there?) Last year mine had a little more colour than yours but the previous year it was marked exactly the same.
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Lesley, while there may be a whizzbang gizmo to insert such a link, I do not know which it might be, nor how to use it! I just find the page I want to refer to, right click in the address bar at the top, click copy and then return to my post and click paste where I want it.
Loving all these crocus, thanks chaps!
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I think Lesley meant this page: http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/283/34386.html?1157263318
Her post is from Saturday August 19th.
There are NZ and Aussie crocus in both the southern hemisphere/down under pages of "Flowering Now" as well as in the Crocus section.
This is the main page for the old forum and where to start any search:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=topics
Many many hundreds of pages there with all sorts of great plant photos and tips about cultivation from wherever our forumists garden---If you haven't seen the old forum, I commend it to you. It is now "read only", any comments etc must be posted to this new forum.
I know I've said all this before, but there are always new folks visiting and I want them to feel welcome to join in fully.
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So it's as simple as that? I never really got my head round the Copy and Paste bits. (Now I want to hide my head in a hole in the ground, I'm so embarrassed to admit that.) Better do some homework with a manual but I'm already becoming pear-shaped with the amount of time I spend sitting in this chair.
I do agree about looking back at the Old Forum. Seeing it as if it were new and fresh is a revelation and a great thrill.
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Don't fret, Lesley, I've just been struggling with Google earth to find something that Susan says it "right there" as it were, not for me, it isn't!! See the" How High "etc thread! We shouldn't worry about our shape either, look at it this way, we are to pears what those giant onions are to onions.... the biggest and the best ::)
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Anthony's crocus is indeed a form of the variable Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi. As you will see below it can vary from almost pure white to almost completely dark purple on the outer three petals ... with any variation in between! It is more unusual for the inner petals to be marked or shaded purple, I wonder if this is just feature of cultivated plants where hybridisation with other subspecies of C sieberi is possible. If anyone has experience of this in the wild - let us know. In 'Flowers of Crete' (Fielding & Turland) there is a picture of 12 very differently marked flowers all from a small area, all have white inner petals. I have over a dozen different forms.
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Tony- very nice and indicative pics as usualy.
I would like to post some more photos from last week. these are bigest size which I have seen before.
That may cause of soil. It was a black sticky kind of soil which is number one for agriculture. Whatever they were realy attractive. That may gives me some ideas for growing. If I am right they are all c. biflorus biflorus.
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Here is my best find from last week. It is a real pearl maybe from vanish. at least for me.
I looked all around for second one but I didn't find. it was wery small slope of hill which has been closely pressed by agriculture field.
I distinguished from many long leaves and as double washed. I tryed to take photo. then I saw it does not look at all like others. You will see just below.
Last shot is for Maggi..
kind regards..
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These are exquisit Ibrahim, such a snow-white flower and so finely marked. What a lovely find. I'll likely never see crocuses in the wild (unless Thomas takes me some day), but this Forum must be the next best thing.
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Lesley - of course I will. Tell me where and when ;)
Ibrahim, needless to say, your photos are great as always.
The last crocus with the white style and without the biflorus-typical yellow centre could be a
form of albinism which I have seen in some other species (minimus, pelistericus).
Franz' imperati-colour is not only a trick of light. After a phone-call with Dirk Schnabel at the
weekend we found out, that it also is a trick of screen. The first photo appears blue on my
screen and white on Dirks screen.
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Ibrahim - more great photos from the mountains - Thanks!
Thomas' observation on albinism is a good one.
Have you considered leading a small party of visitors on one (or more) of your walks? ;) .... flights from London Stansted - Istanbul daily, £100 return :)
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The true colour on pictures to show is always difficult. Each camera produces another colour and the true colour is determined by some factors. The colour of this crocus is a very pale blue that is the colour which I see.
Two further pictures of Crocus imperati suaveolens.
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All is forgiven and I look forward to when the thumbnail size issue is sorted out.
Thanks, Andrew, but bad news_ thumbnail setting is just that---set! M
We have seen some C. tommasinianus before but this is 'Eric Smith', not looking very different from the side,
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but showing its true form from above.
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Fantastic pics!!!
I love all your Crocus, so, (when possible) send me please a sample of all these marvellous species HAHAHHAHA two/four could be ok, HAHAHHA.
Seriously, I found this afternoon several Crocus carpetanus (little session)
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Raffa,
Very impressive pictures. What a wonderful afternoon
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I am transported by these pictures to a place that must be very like heaven! It is hard to know whether to go hiking with Ibrahim or Rafa or just go to sit quietly in Franz' meadow, where the flowers might be enjoyed with a viennese pastry ! I will resist Hubi or Tony's places, beautiful children in both places, but I couldn't eat a whole one.
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After too many cool days, a little bit sunshine last weekend
Crocus hartmannianus
Crocus flavus ssp.flavus
Crocus biflorus ssp.weldenii 'Fairy'
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Oh Rafa - Not only all those fabulous narcissus that you find but beautiful crocus too! When I get to Stansted airport do I fly to Istanbul or Segovia? While it might be good to swap plants with you, to come and walk with you would be so much better :)
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Dirk,
Please can you show the anther and style from C.flavus ssp. flavus. Thanks
Super pics!
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Ibrahim,
I am always happy, if I see pictures of crocus from Turkey. I wandered several times in the mountains of Turkey but always in autumn. . I like the friendly people, mountains and plants.
Super pictures of crocus! Thanks
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Rafa,
Great photographs of another species - beautiful.
Likewise, Udo.
Paddy
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Maggi wrote: I will resist Hubi or Tony's places, beautiful children in both places, but I couldn't eat a whole one.
Maggi you can be sure, I will not allow you to eat only a little piece of my children ;D
Rafa, I like the pale carpetanus with the 3 stripes - wonderful photos from the wild!!!
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Franz, i hope on open flowers from Cr.flavus next weekend.
Cr.abantensis
Cr.biflorus ssp.biflorus
Cr.gargaricus ssp.gargaricus
Cr.sieberi ssp.nivalis
Cr.pestalozzae
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More lovely pictures and thanks to everyone. It (almost) seems as if spring is here too, with so many lovely things on the Forum. And the incorrigible Thomas now has me ordering more crocuses from Australia for him.
Dirk, is your C. abantensis really that soft blue shade or is it much deeper? I find when I photograph mine that the result is quite disappointing and the richness of colour is down played to a large extent. Hard to achieve that really vibrant and glowing blue.
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It feels like spring here! At home for a few days as it is my son's half term hol, and today has been glorious. Great to see crocus opening - makes a huge change from the past week or more. A couple from the alpine house. I really like C corsicus with its outer stripes and lovely inner colour. For the last 5 or 6 years this has been in flower around the time of the Dunblane show, so this one's normal for me. However, C cvijicii is way ahead of its normal flowering time???? Cream Beauty and the tommies are from the garden.
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Hello Lesley, the colour from the open Crocus abantensis is correct,
buds are little darker.
This crocus is sold under the name Cr.aerius, is never true!!
What is it?
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Crocus chrysanthus from Irmasan Pass, Turkey
Crocus biflorus ssp.pseudonubigena
Crocus dalmaticus
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Hi Dirk.
Are you sure for c. biflorus ssp.pseudonubigena? has it anthers blackish before dehiscence?
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regards...
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Here is Crocus Chrysanthus VV. GB 235. I was told this was better than Uschak Orange and it does seem to stand up well
Here also is a shot of what I have as Olivieri ssp Olivieri. Leaves seem to match description
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YESSS - sun is back to Germany!
After two weeks of heavy rain without any open flower
they gave a glorious comeback in todays sunshine:
ist four pix are garden views.
pic5 Crocus biflorus Weldenii Fairy
pic6 C. chrysanthus Skyline
pic7 C. biflorus ssp.nubigena
pic8 C. tommasinianus Claret
pic9 C. kosaninii
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Here are some seedlings which are caused by my impure planting.
They are Crocus chrysanthus hybrids
The first one is my favourite:
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I am glad the sun is shining somewhere, Thomas, it is very grey here in Aberdeen :(
Your display is looking very fine, I am amazed they can look so good after so much wet weather, it is the stamina of the crocus that is so appealing to me, so strong but looking so fragile.
I will try to pick a favourite from your seedlings... difficult choice but I will choose the second one, lovely shade and shape. Sad that those people who do not grow from seed or allow plants to seed themslves are missing out on these pleasures.
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Thanks Maggi!
If I have increased your favourite well in a few years I could call it:
Crocus chrysanthus MAGGI
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That would be fun, Thomas. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope that she grows really well and makes a big success and earns you lots of money!
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Very nice Thomas
My favorit of the hybrid is number 3 maybe only due to the great picture but I love the pointy crown formed flower.
Just a comment it is good if the name is in the text as well since it is possible to search for it then.Maybe not a problem yet but the forum grows fast :)
Thanks for those pics.
Here they are only growing and not flowerig and the weather is just gray today.
The heat we have had lately made them really grow good roots that is coming through the pots. Maybe I will have to put a sandbed under the pots :(
Thanks again
Joakim
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So the name for the third one will be:
Crocus chrysanthus EUROSTAR ;D
Will try to fulfill your wish in my next postings, Joakim!
Maggi, I don't want to earn money with'em.
It's just the pleasure that makes me love them!
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Just a comment it is good if the name is in the text as well since it is possible to search for it then
This is a valid point. The search facility can only find names in the text of posts, not in file name attachments. I will edit Thomas' post to reflect this.
Thomas, it would be nice for the children though, would it not, if their Papa could make money from his flowers to take them to the mountains extra times? !! ;)
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Thomas I did not know when I posted that You where naming them. :-[
I hope it grows with the speed of the train and that is no changing of tracks in the propagation. ;D
It is a fitting name with it also crown/star shaped. 8)
Are You playing anything Yourself with a brush to get mixes that the bees misses. I meen in a more deliberate way but still lating nature take care of the seedling and growth etc. It would be a way of making sure that they are farely vigourus.
I hope to settle in one place to put the bulbs there and also be there when they bloom :)
Joakim
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Joakim I also didn't know that I'm searching for names
when I was posting the photos.
I had the idea, when Maggi replied.
No, I don't use the paintbrush on my lawn, this is job of
the bees. But I use it in my rockgarden, where the rarities
are growing.
Maggi, two mountain holidays are booked in 2007!
But you're right - why not 3!?
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Apologies for taking advantage of so many of you currently being live online, but do you know of any members who have a particular interest in C.chrysanthus cultivars? I am trying to collect together as many as I can.
Thankyou. Giles
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Yes, that's (only?) me, Giles!
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I was all enthusiastic when I read the article in The New Plantsman 4(1) March 1997, but have found it very difficult to track down a source for many of the varieties. Not many are not listed in The Plantinder. Brassband and Brunnette were two varieties I was paticularly keen to find. Do you have either of these?
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Thomas, you are not alone.
I am sure you are a member of the Crocus group, so you must have read about the E.A.Bowles Society trying to form a C. chrysanthus/biflorus cultivar collection in the Summer2006 bulletin ?
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Giles, such a coincidence: we were just showing Mark that very copy of the Plantsman to whet his appetitie for Crocus even further ,after showing him something of Thomas' obsession!
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Andrew,
I have only just joined the Crocus Group, so was not aware of the Bowles Society. I will contact Ann Borrill and see if I can get a back issue of the relevant news letter.
Thankyou
Giles
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Thomas, your sea of crocus is looking great!
I was wondering about the crocus in the background in picture three, the white/purple petals?
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Thomas,
I think that apart from the Chinese Wall - your Crocus meadow must be the second man made realisation visible from outer space. ;D
Marvelous !!!
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Thomas, what fabulous pictures, especially of the lawn. It was great last year but seems even better now. I really MUST come and see it. Thanks so much, you deserve a slice of birthday cake.
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Thanks Andrew - I already have contact to Myddelton House of Bowles.
Guff, the purple white crocus in the background of picture 3 is Crocus biflorus ssp alexandrii "Major", another lost cultivar.
Sorry, Greed, I don't have Brunnette and Brassband so far, but I hope to get Brunnette this summer!
Luc - I have tried to find my meadow on google earth, but the photo wasn't made in spring.
And Lesley, your invitation is still valid!
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I know the invitation is valid Thomas - one of my small treasures - but unfortunately, my bank account ISN'T!
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Thomas your carpet is real one!. and hand made!..
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No carpets here, ...... but a couple of images from today.
Crocus biflorus 'Weldenii Fairy'
Crocus chysanthus 'Zwannenburg Bronze'
Crocus olivieri
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Dave very nice pictures specialy chrysanthus z.
Thomas I think this one is yellow mamouth that come from mixed deuch. There were
some corms most of them are same. only one is very dark purple.
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And here are some shots of c. pestalozzae pale lilac before shower and then.....
It looks realy happy..
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Simply stunning pics, Ibrahim!!!!! Thanks for sharing them.
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Great pics again Ibrahim
Dave - your Fairy seems to have lost her lilac flecked outer clothes. See an earlier pic in this thread for the 'usual' version ;) You might have the plant traded as C biflorus weldenii albus.
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Ibrahim, you're right, your yellow Dutch one is "Golden Yellow" also called "Yellow Mammoth"!
Tony, you're partly right with Dave's white Crocus: Yes, it's not "Fairy", but it's NOT weldenii "Albus"!
The soft grey blotch points for biflorus "Miss Vain".
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Thanks Tony and Thomas for your input. I had failed to connect my plant with the previous post mentioned. I took several other pics and they all show very clearly the grey flecking to the lower part of the outer tepals and a soft grey hue fading down the upper part of the tube. Sounds almost as naval gazing as with those little white flowers with green splodges ;D
The distribution of named varieties sounds like a nightmare at times. I got this plant from one of the major supposedly reputable British bulb companies. It's not as if the plant I have is near to true Fairy!!! If they can't be trusted to get the name right, then ........
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Crocus michelsonii, pale form from Iran
Crocus flavus ssp.flavus ( for Franz )
2 x Crocus biflorus ssp.pulchricolor
Crocus graveolens
bed with over thirty species ans subspecies
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Udo, you must have a lot of hybridization : how do you do to have good seeds ?
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Nice pictures Dirk, I like your pale michelsonii very much and also your crocus bed. You must have a very large garden?
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Thank you Dirk, Show these pictures Crocus flavus ssp flavus too. Any suggestions, please?
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slight hiccup somewhere. I posted photos in here but they appeared minus text in the aerly Feb postings. Here goes again
Like I said elsewhere today was a great day for photos so I sneaked home for half an hour. The Crocus in the garden and glass house were wide open. Good news is the glass house now gets sun in the mornings for about an hour and in the evening for about 3 hours. Here's a selection of what was looking good. Firstly a few tommies
'Bobbo'
'Pictus'
'Roseus'
'Whitewell or Barr's Purple'
vernus ex ex Yugoslavia
minimus
abantensis
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Franz that is an intense orange and very nice
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This Crocus chrysanthus Hyb. is flowering in my garden but the label has gone missing. Any Idea what those Crocus could be? Thanks for looking.
Beautiful C. abantensis Mark.
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Franz, everyone, of course Thomas Huber is our expert for the crocus hybrids but he will be away from the forum for a little while so we may have to wait for an answer from him. It seem that his son has to spend some time in hospital and so Thomas is there with him. I know you will all join in sending our very best wishes to the family and to young Chris for a very speedy recovery. We send lots of love to get well soon, Chris :-*
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Hi David, i have a very large garden, place for many crocus
Crocus albiflorus, blue forms
Crocus angustifolius `Bronze`
2 x Crocus sieberi ssp.sublimis
Crocus sieberi ssp.sublimis f.tricolor
Crocus baytopiorum
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Crocus baytopiorum is a stunner. Is it actually that colour? You beat me to posting angustifolius 'Bronze' although mine came to me as just C. angustifolius
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Why do everyone elses Crocuses look so much better than mine and in full flower so much sooner than mine :'( Must try harder next year!
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David in theory your should be well advanced. In what way do they look better?
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OK, too big, please can I try again
2 orange crocuses:
Crocus cvijicii
Crocus garganicus
Diane
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Diane, even though they may have been too big at your end, they arrived here just right. So well done. Took me months to get my first pictures right. That was on the old Forum though. Hey - do we miss it? well, maybe a little, but this one is great!
I hope someone knows what Franz' gorgeous chrysanthus var is. I WANT it! And does anyone have or know where to get, the old variety called `Kittiwake?' It was my most favourite of all but I haven't seen it anywhere for years. It was the colour of heavy cream, shaded on the outer 3 with a soft greyish lavender and the petals were rather pointed. It was quite lovely, though maybe not so vigorous as some other forms of chrysanthus.
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And yes Mark, C. baytopiorum really IS that colour. There's not the slightest hint of any purplish shade, all pure, soft almost turquoise blue.The colour the sky is towards evening when there hasn't been a cloud all day and the sky over the horizon turns to a clear delicate shade rather like - but cleaner than - duck-egg blue. Golly, I should be writing poetry!
More prosaically, mine flowers mid July when the sun is very weak so it needs to be in a place that gets as much full sun as possible or the flowers are reluctant to open fully. Pot probably is best so it can be moved to the best aspect.
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after the pure white Crocus I think the intense orange flowered forms are my favourite.
I could be wrong but Franz' lovely Crocus could be 'Advance'
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I don't think it is `Advance' Mark. The colour in Franz' pic is bluer and covers more of the petal. The flower shape is different too. I recall `Advance' as being quite a tubby little flower. Franz' one looks more elegant. (There's nothing elegant about TUBBY, believe me.) Unless Tony G has a thought, we'll have to wait until Thomas is with us again.
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David in theory your should be well advanced. In what way do they look better?
If we ever get a day when it is dry enough or light enoug to take pictures I will. As this is my first attempt at (serious!!!!!) crocus growing I opted for easily obtained (and inexpensisve!) varieties grown in pots under glass. I opted for this because anything small in the garden gets battered to bits by the rain and winds. Bud opening on the crocuses has been sporadic, but much better on the Iris reticulatas, leading to some fairly sparce pots. Marks tommies are weeks ahead of mine. I have already learned from previous posts that my watering regime has not been good enough and I will improve this next year. All part of the learning curve I suppose.
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we must get much more of the Gulf Stream than elswhere. All my spring Crocus have been outside until the first flower is out. They then move under glass so I can enjoy them like this. The last image is 800 pixels wide!
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when I was in Devon a few weeks back tommies were out everywhere - Garden House and East Lambrook
Anyone know where King Croconut Tony is?
here are few more from my glasshouse
chrysanthus 'Prince of Orange' note the tiny style. All are the same
a mixed pot of dalmaticus ex Potterton's
one of two rogues in a pot of minimus - any ideas? The styles are like chimney brushes
veluchensis with two virused corms
This should read C. flavus Prince of Orange
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Garden House is dryer than my climate, it's nearer the coast and further from Dartmoor, East Lambrook is in Somerset, much much drier than Devon, that may have had an affect on my stuff. Nice show in your plunges Mark.
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I think also, it could be Crocus Advance. Mark, your crocus looks beautiful!
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Mark, the colour from this baytopiorum is real.
Crocus veluchensis from Mt.Olymp, Greece
Crocus corsicus, native form
Crocus olivieri ssp.balansae
Crocus dalmaticus from Petrovac, Montenegro
Crocus scepusiensis f. leucostigma
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thanks. It's only in the last few days thay have come out in numbers.
One, ex Gothenberg, is a mystery. It's in the middle photo showing the plunge beds at the lower end. The label says sieberi Got. These Crocus were brought to the Dublin AGS discussion weekend last November by Henrik. Any ideas what they could be? Tomorrow I'll get a good sharp close up
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What a great splash of colour this thread turns out to be : Great pix Dirk, Mark and everybody else.
It was this thread in last year's forum that made me get into Crocus a little bit more - so here's my humble contribution : nothing very special or rare, but I like them !
Crocus chrysanthus "Prins Claus"
Crocus flavus "Yalta"
Crocus sieberi "Bowles White" : I love it
Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis "Tricolor"
Best wishes to Thomas and little Hubi for a speedy recovery so that they can both come home and enjoy the Crocus meadow !
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I agree, Luc, C. Bowles white is a beauty.
I think Franz' crocus is Advance and I think that the dark one may be Prins Claus: see Luc's pic above and these C. chrysanthus/biflorus hybrids, in this picture of Thomas Huber.
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David in theory your should be well advanced. In what way do they look better?
If we ever get a day when it is dry enough or light enoug to take pictures I will. As this is my first attempt at (serious!!!!!) crocus growing I opted for easily obtained (and inexpensisve!) varieties grown in pots under glass. I opted for this because anything small in the garden gets battered to bits by the rain and winds. Bud opening on the crocuses has been sporadic, but much better on the Iris reticulatas, leading to some fairly sparce pots. Marks tommies are weeks ahead of mine. I have already learned from previous posts that my watering regime has not been good enough and I will improve this next year. All part of the learning curve I suppose.
Further to my post above we had an hours break from rain this afternoon so I rushed out to take some pictures to illustrate the points I made above. The pictures are part of my photographic improvement project so there is no need to mark them out of ten! Not a patch on Marks crocuses.
Crocus chrysanthus Romance
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Crocus tommasinnianus Ruby Giant under glass
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Crocus tommasinnianus Ruby Giant planted on the same day as the above but kept outside
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Perfectly fine pix, David. A crocus is a thing of beauty.
I have tweaked your post to set the pix amongst the text. You still click to enlarge the image.
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OK Since Mark asked ... I've been away for half term then back at work ... then opening box with laptop (+powerpoint) ... then AGS meeting last night (Tibet - local lady speaker who must be a h*ll of a lot fitter than I am given the hikes she undertook!)... then work AGAIN!!
I did visit a local cemetry yesterday looking for crocus (NOT snowdrops Mark :-*) - I'll post a few pics in a while.
Mark - Nasty when virus spoils the flowers like that. Really nasty when there is no other outward sign. I tipped a pot out to remove a couple of sick ones yeaterday.
Your rogue is likely a tommy - they pop up everywhere!
Prince of Orange has style and anthers rather like C flavus.
Luc - Sorry, your flavus Yalta looks just like a (very nice) form/hybrid Crocus vernus that I grow ...and your C sieberi Bowles white really ought to have an egg yolk yellow centre. When Thomas returns he will be able to tell you what it really is.
Dirk - WOW - you have a collection of crocus to be envied :) :)
The C sieberi sublimis with the feathered outers and almost white inside is the BEST crocus that I have seen on the site!!! If you have a spare you can ask for ANYTHING from my collection! Is it as vigorous as the other C sieberi?
David - my early crocus pots were just like yours .... I'd stop now before the fever really gets a hold ;D
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On Sunday - just I got a call from a local NCCPG member who reported that there were some good stands of Crocus tommasinianus in a local Cemetry ... too many to count. The weather here (and my available time) do not do justice to this amazing sight ... but I think you'll get the picture :)
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And then I noticed the Crocus vernus .... :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Judging from the headstones these could have been growing here for around 100 years. Seeding around to cover quite several large areas and making many interesting intra-specific hybrids. Heaven might be like this.
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Tony, this is a wondrous sight and a wonderful site! How absolutely breath-taking a scene. You must try to visit again very soon on a warm sunny day, the fragrance from those millions ( surely) of flowers must be delicious! You've made my day with hese pix, thank you....and thanks to your NCCPG contact! Sounds a bit like the bird twitchers, doesn't it? Dashing off to a churchyard as the result of a phone call.
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Warm sunny days are in short supply here - and I don't have the car this weekend :(
One way or another I'll get the pics for you ..... even if we have to wait for next year.
I'm going to ring the Council and arrange a meeting with the superintendant there. They seem to be doing the right things to keep the plants happy but no harm in making contact. I'll reserve a plot for when my time comes too!
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the feathered Crocus in image 10 looks great. Did you see any that are need to being brought into cultivation?
I'll relabel my Chrysanthus as flavus. Thanks and many thanks for the awesome site of the cemetery
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Mark, I agree picture 10 is very nice.
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why are the Crocus absent from the other side of the path?
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My God (well chosen isn't it ;) what an awsome sight Tony !
This definitely is Crocus heaven !
Thanks for your info on the names of my crocus' - they were all bought at a local garden center and are produce of Holland - but as I said, I like them and they do match the pictures that were on the packaging. But I will gladly await the correct naming from Thomas !
Thanks for pointing it out.
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And to think I've picked out a tatty old trough to be buried under. I'll take these any day. I'd know that at least Tony and Thomas would visit me.
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Mark:why are the Crocus absent from the other side of the path?
I think that is where the more recent burials are taking place, so there is disturbance to the ground. You can see a few appearing from the other, flowery side, where I think the graves are very much older and not being re-opened.
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David - my early crocus pots were just like yours .... I'd stop now before the fever really gets a hold ;D
Tony, it's too late, it has got me. I'm already planning for next year, when I SHALL do better. I think I shall follow Mark's plan and leave them outside until the buds show and then put them in the greenhouse.
Loved the pictures of Earlham Churchyard. We always spend a week with friends in Hethersett, normally it's the weekend in which the East Anglia Show is on in Wymondham. I haven't managed to get them there yet, they are not gardeners, but I shall have a real go this year, but I do get to have my annual "fix", and spend a fortune at Hythe Alpines.
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David you will need to be quick Hythe is closing down! - allegedly
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Mark, on my visit last year they did say that they were thinking about retiring but they are still maintaining their Web Site, last update today, so I hope they are still in business on my next visit. Age must be catching up with Alpine Nursery trade in general, I have heard that another of my favourites, Lydford Alpines here in Devon, are retiring. I shall have to see if they are at the South Western AGS Show in Exeter on 31 March.
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Hi friends!
I'm back from hospital and I can calm everybody who was concerned about
the news of Chris - HE IS WELL!!! It was only a little problem, but it
took lots of time for the doctors to locate it - 4 nights for father
and son together in hospital - only one was planned ??? >:(
I was very touched about the sympathy I obtained from all over the world
via SRGC-forum, private e-mails or personal messages
MANY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU - too much to name everbody!!!!!
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Coming back I've found lots of new crocus in my rockgarden and lawn,
but I don't think I will be able to post photos today, maybe tomorrow
or on Monday. But I will try to reply to some of your questions later this
afternoon.
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Great to have you back Thomas and very glad to hear that Chris is well.
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So many beautiful photos while I was away - took me lots of time to enjoy
them worthy! :o :o
Mark - your Crocus tommasinianus Whitwell Purple looks like Ruby Giant.
Whitwell Purple is dark purple in the upper part of the stem and has broad leaves.
The last one's name is Crocus minimus not minima.
Franz mystery chrysanthus cultivar is indeed Advance. I think Marks Advance
looks somewhat ill due to bad weather.
David N - You can be lucky that your crocusses are NOT out of the ground at
this time of the year - many of mine were battered by heavy rainfalls in the
last weeks. Yours are cute and wait for "true" spring! ;D
Lesley - Kittiwake is out of cultivation since many years. I know only a few
persons having this beauty, but not me! Wish I could send you some Advance
seeds, but mine have never set any seed :-[ Did you ask Marcus for both?
Again Mark - I agree with Tony, that your Prince of Orange looks like flavus.
Chrysanthus should have orange-red styles. I would recommend to have a
look at the corms in summer. Crocus rogue is surely a tommie - I've often received
mixed stocks of minimus and tommies in the past!
Luc - Crocus Yalta should be Crocus vernus Harleem Gem a fine and vigorous
selection of Crocus vernus. And Tony is right about sieberi Bowles White.
From what I can see, I would say it's Crocus biflorus Miss Vain.
David N. - Your Crocus Ruby Giant shows the dark stem and broad leaves
of Whitwell Purple.
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Thanks for shedding some light into namegiving darkness Thomas - our Dutch friends in the trade don't seem too concerned about it !
Thanks again and welcome home and back on the forum !
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So good to have you back, Thomas. Lots of love to Chris from us all.
I had just obviously not looked closely enough at Luc's "Bowles White".. when I checked back I did see that there was only a little pale yellow in the throat. I am pleased to learn it is 'Miss Vain'...for it is very pretty and I will look out for it. I must take more time to study things properly first time round.
Still very wet and grey here, so no open flowers today!
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Mark, in view of Thomas' reply I think you and I need to swop plant labels?
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Mark, in view of Thomas' reply I think you and I need to swop plant labels?
Laudable recycling effort, there, David, but then ther are the postage and packing expenses/pollution to take into account... perhaps you should just scrub the old lalbels with a brillo pad and start again?
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Tony, Crocus sieberi ssp. sublimis has the first flowers this year,
i hope, he is a good grower.
without words !! ( a gift to my birthday )
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Dirk, you can't leave us in the dark without a translation? Or am I the only Brit suffering from the typical Brit disease of having only one spoken language-and not very good at that either?
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Paraphrasing, David: "garden as much as you can, do housework only when you have to"
The German is "as much gardening as is possible, as much housework as is necessary"
Works for me! ;D
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Thanks Maggi. I am making a copy of Dirk's sign for my wife.
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I have it engraved on my heart, already!
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was it Quinten Crisp who said after /10 years the dust in a house doesnt change
welcome back Thomas and son
My rogue Crocus is supplied from a well know UK supplier who must have bought elsewhere. Today in the garden I see I have about 50 of the rogue LOL. I need to get my tommies in the garden properly labelled. I have Roseus which is easy, Barrs Purple and Whit(e)well Purple and the one with pale tube.
In the Plant Finder it lists forma Albus, Barr's Purple, Eric Smith, Lilac Beauty, var pictus, var roseus, Ruby Giant and Whitewell Purple.
To add to the confusion I remember buying Lilac Beauty twice. Once from a garden centre, planted in the garden, and once from a bulb supplier planted in a pot. Both are different. Only Thomas can help but I can wait
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Welcome back Thomas and son. Thank you for the ID of Crocus chrysanthus.
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Mark, Quentin Crisp said that the dirt didn't get any worse after the first four years . He was quite right.
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This came up in an unlabelled pot. It must be a form of Crocus vernus?
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I would think so, Anthony. A fine upstanding flower, let's you see why this species has proved such a good parent for so many of the large Dutch hybrids.
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My warmest welcome back to Thomas too, and so pleased all is well with Chris.
I'd better apologise for thinking that `Advance' WASN'T `Advance.' I remember it as being less blue and more lavender on the outside. So memory is failing along with eyesight, knees and just about everything else.
I think Dirk's sign is great and I've been practising Maggi's paraphrase for years to good effect and can just about prove that the QC quotation is true.
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Hi Mark
the dust comment was indeed Quentin (but it was after 4 years) - I met with him many times and have photos of his apartment to prove that he believed it to be true!....
He also had a theory about how often to wash dinner plates - needless to say I always arranged to meet in a local cafe for lunch!
regards
John
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Hello everyone and thank you for the warm "welcome back"
We're both happy to be home again!!!! :D
Mark, please post photos of your different "Lilac Beauty" and I will try to help you!
Dirk, your sign was exactly made for me, too!!! ;)
Here some impressions from my garden in yesterdays sunshine: 8)
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Hamamelis ? with the Neustadt church:
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Crocus lawn and Iris in the rockgarden:
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Anthony D - you're unlabelled crocus looks indeed like Crocus vernus.
The dark tipps point for ssp heuffelianus!
Yesterday I also found a lot of new chrysanthus/biflorus seedlings
in my lawn. First one is my favourite - enjoy them from the in- and outside:
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lovely hybrids.
Here is what I showed recently as tomm. 'Lilac Beauty' and at the bottom the rogue among the minimus
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Mark, these look true, but you talked about TWO different forms?
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Thomas they are different colours. One has a silver/cream outer petal and the other is all purple. If I had time I would get out the RHS Colour Chart but I was supposed to be elsewhere an hour ago. Both were bought as 'Lilac Beauty'. The two coloured one came from a bulb supplier. The other came from a garden centre
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Of course they are different - did I misunderstood you?
You wrote about the Crocus rogue among the minimus in your
first message, which I understand as: you bought them as minimus
NOT as Lilac Beauty like you mention in your second message ???
The purple one looks like "Barr's Purple" from flower shape, but
the colour is more intense than in mine, so maybe it's a seedling?
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Glad to hear all is well with your son, Thomas. Your crocuses look fantastic - even the upside-down white and green ones !
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When plants are settling so happily in their situation, as Thomas' are certainly doing, it is a particular delight to see these charming hybrids arising. It gives an extra frisson to the pleasure of raising from seed when your plants are so obliging as to assist you with your work. Actually, even if the results of self-seeding are not pretty new forms, but faithful reproductions of their parents, that gives us a special satisfaction. I don't feel the same about the Tropaeolum speciosum or Cotoneasters in our garden ,though >:(
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What a fabulous set of pics since I was last here. Your yellow iris is, Thomas?
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tomorrow I will pick all 5 tommie flowers and lay them side by side for a photo to see what you make of them. I need to get one big label among each group to remind me each year.
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Great pictures Thomas and lovely flowers.
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Outside the Norwich cemetry with the Crocus vernus and tommasinianus the main road has a massive planting of the smaller hybrid cultivars. This stretches for half a mile or more along the verge. The yellow shades are dominant now but I remember more blues in previous years. Perhaps they will come later ... or perhaps I was just fooled by the myriad chionodoxa which will follow later! Here is a flavour of the show (again on a dullish day :( ) including a couple which I think are seedling hybrids ... but not as good as Thomas' though!
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While the putative hybrid in my last post might be have the dubious honour of being the first brown crocus, the plants below are pure species.
Crocus aerius - from a reliable source and matching quite closely the only other true aerius that I have seen which was ex Gothenburg. Often C biflorus pulchricolor is grown under this name.
Crocus corsicus - several different seed raised forms. Note that not all have the creamy ground colour on the outer petals.
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And some more ...
Crocus cvijicii - two seed raised forms. The flowers definately get bigger as they get older!
Crocus etruscus - Note the the flecking in the petals, quite common, sometimes (but not always) a sign of virus. What do you think of this one?
Crocus pestalozzae - var caeruleus ... will I get seed this year? This species has the smallest seeds of any crocus, in very distinctive long capsules.
Crocus reticulatus ssp reticulatus - Thanks Dirk, its a beauty!
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I know its late - I'll be brief!
Crocus sieberi ssp sublimis (& one ssp atticus) - quite a lot of variation. The eagle eyed will notice the two specials I have picked out.
The 'dumpy' C 'Tricolor' which is raised from wild seed. This is a single corm which I have worked up, quite distinctive in its shape, different from the trade clone.
Then there is the veined form ... again wild seed, hopefully others in the pot will match it.
Crocus tommasinianus various forms - you've seen them all before!
Crocus vernus vernus - Heuffelianus Group (for want of a name) A really nice form with a cream wash on the outers.
And to finish, one for Thomas. Crocus vernus albiflorus, Susten Pass form.
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Crocus malyi with a very large flower!
Hans
from Austria
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Tony, your photos are great as always, many thanks.
The hybrid you found along the road is a real rarity, although
its NOT the first brown crocus. There were several brown chrysanthus
cultivars in trade some years ago: Brunnette, Brown Surprise, Brassband.
I don't have any of these so far :'(
Anthony D - my yellow Iris is danfordiae, the trade form, flowering in
its second year now.
Johannes, are this the parents of the seeds you sent me?
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Thomas,
yes, I sent you the seed of this plant.
Hans
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Tony, does your white Tommy have a cultivar name? It's much better than my 'albus' which is very wishy-washy.
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Here are pictures of Crocus angustifolius. Style 3 branched. Is the ID correct?
Great plants, Tony!
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They look OK to me, Franz.
But the most important feature is hidden underground:
Coarseley netted corm tunics.
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Thomas, thank you. Perhaps do you know this Crocus chrysanthus hyp. too.
It grow very well.
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Crocus versicolor, 3 forms from Dep.Var in France
Crocus versicolor `Picturatus`
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Crocus neapolitanus. There is only one location in Austria where they grow.
Hans
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Anne - No cultivar name for my white tommy. It is a nice one as you say ... but the nicest shaped tommies may have some vernus in their genes. I'll take a closer look and let you know what I think.
Johannes - Beautiful!
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Johannes - very beautiful pictures even if first one is one year old!!.
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Franz - I don't know any cultivar, looking like your Crocus!
I think this must be a seedling. Is that yellow hint true or
just in the photo?
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last weekend I mentioned a sieberi bought at the AGS Dublin Group discussion weekend. It was donated by Gothenberg Botanics. Can someone confirm this is correct. I just checked Tony's web site. Could they be sieberi sublimis?
I also made a mistake when posting my chrysanthus 'Prince of Orange'. It is flavus 'Prince of Orange'.
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one last Crocus for today. Another bought at the Dublin Group weekend ex Got. Bots
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Mark, on my visit last year they did say that they were thinking about retiring but they are still maintaining their Web Site, last update today, so I hope they are still in business on my next visit.
It says they will close end of May 2008. About the time of the AGS East Anglia Show, unless it is early like this year.
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Andrew, thanks for that. I might get two visits in before they close. Don't know if they are moving (I will ask when I go ) but it would make a nice little set up for someone. Ah! if only I were younger and had the skill :(
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Mark - yes looks like C sieberi ssp sublimis
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Thanks Tony. Do you know the orange one?
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Hi Mark, did you get my email?
Not many Crocuses have flowered for me this year in pots. Perhaps due to weather or less than careful attention but this one I bought from Tony is very nice. C. jessopae hyb
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It doesn't rain everyday. Yesteday was fine and I got this picture of a crocus purchased as chrysanthus Goldilocks. Should Goldilocks be a semi-double? It wasn't until I looked at the picture that I noticed the singles. Could I have a mixture of Goldilocks and Goldmine. I don't mind either way as it is an unusual flower.
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Thomas, the yellow hint true.
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Crocus veluchensis from Bulgaria
Crocus reticulatus x angustifolius ``Ego``
Crocus pelistericus
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David, 'Gold Mine' is double
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Here is my another dutch hybrid vernus ssp vernus. (gladstone)!! while it just bloom my other natives are so far. They already made nice seeds even spring sipecies!
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Hello,
I monitor this forum since quite a while and I got "the crocus fever"!
Thanks to all for the great pics!
Franz, your Chrysanthus looks like my "Snow Bunting" I purchased from a Dutch nursery. Almost no yellow in the throat.
Here is my contribution:
Crocus sieberi seedling, similar to cultivar "Firefly" but smaller flower and feathered
Crocus sieberi sublimis "Tricolor", 2wks later in flower than "Firefly" in my lawn
Crocus imperati "De Jager", last flower of its kind in my lawn
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Welcome to the wonderful Forum Armin. It's great when another "lurker" finally takes the plunge and joins the mad gang that we all are. Obviously bulb lawns and meadows are a big thing in Germany and no doubt you'll have many conversations with Thomas, and with Franz in Austria. We'll all look forward to hearing more from you and seeing more of you lovely crocuses.
From your profile picture, you look more like a stockbroker or a lawyer (my own lawyer) than a crazy gardener, but I guess you're happy to get your hands dirty?
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Please can you Croconuts identify this one, sent to me by a friend?
Unknown crocus
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Diana, I would make a stab and suggest Crocus chrysanthus Advance, it has a very nice colour combination and should be readily available.
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I'm with David. It is 'readily' available except everythime I buy it something else grows.
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Welcome Armin! Why did you hide for so long ;)
Crocus fever seems to be a widespread illness in Germany!
Snowbunting HAS a yellow throat and 5 long stripes on the outer petals. I guess your
plant is Miss Vain, but this doesn't have that yellow hint like Franz' plant has. It is
completely white with only a small grey bloch on the outer Petals. Don't worry
this seems to be standard in Dutch bulbs. Nearly one third of my plants was wrong!
David, your yellow Crocus IS Goldilocks. They sometimes form semi-doubles, but only for
one season. Goldmine is the only permanent double Crocus I know!
Diane, you already have the correct answer for your unknown crocus!
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Hello Armin, welcome to the forum
view pics from me
Crocus reticulatus ssp.reticulatus
Crocus danfordiae
Crocus x jessopae
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Hi at all,
Thanks to everybody for the warm welcome!
Lesley, don't doubt - I'm a crazy gardener and not hesitant to get my hands dirty!
Thomas, thanks for your advice - it could be "Miss Vain", too. It's indeed misleading.
If you search i.e. Google for Crocus "Miss Vain" or "Ard Schenk" or "Snow Bunting" you receive many different pictures... ???
Do you have a reference picture of a "true" Snow Bunting for me?
I doubt "E.P. Bowles" attached is the true cultivar,too. It looks like "Fuscotinctus" I have too, but it has a larger flower. You may help to identify the proper name.
Udo, great pics...
Pics:
C.chrysanthus E.P.Bowles
C.dalmaticus Petrovac ->I'll be happy to see them soon in full flower
C.dalmaticus Petrovac (darker violet)
C.chrysanthus Gipsy Girl
C.etruscus Zwanenburg
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Here I am, making free with Thomas' reference pictures again! I only do this because Thomas posted them in the old forum and I merely repeat them here to make life easier for us all. Thomas, you must tell me if I annoy you by this, but I hope I am helping :-\
Crocus chrysanthus and biflorus hybrids, white:
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No problem, Maggi - no annoy for me!
Armin you're right - your EP Bowles is Fuscotinctus.
I'm not sure with your Gipsy Girl - do the stripes on the outer
petals continue down to the tube? It's not clearly visible from your photo.
There was an interesting article about chrysanthus/biflorus cultivars
in the New Plantsman in March 1997. Including photos of the most
important plants. This is the best reference I know.
Here two photos of Snowbunting. Often the flowers are tattered
like the plant on the left:
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Hello,
Maggi & Thomas, thank you for your help and source hint.
I did not receipt Snowbunting for sure, my ones look like "Miss Vain".
E.P Bowles became Fuscotinctus... :(
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`Gipsy Girl' as I have it (originally from Van Tubergens in Holland) is a paler yellow I think but the striping is very dark, almost black.
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At the end of long struggles I had chance to see this nice noble. First level endemic.
It looks stonger, bigger and with wider leaves then standart olivieri. It was watching the
confusion of Istanbul from 350 mt altitute with its small family.
And another one who wants share same place!!!
best wishes......
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Here I am, making free with Thomas' reference pictures again! I only do this because Thomas posted them in the old forum and I merely repeat them here to make life easier for us all. Thomas, you must tell me if I annoy you by this, but I hope I am helping :-\
Crocus chrysanthus and biflorus hybrids, white:
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Thank you Maggi,
I have used these pics to confirm that "snow bunting" that I bought from a market stall in Norfolk in late august 2006 and a well known garden centre in Kent Oct 2006 are both "Ard Schenk" which I also bought from the same garden centre.
How can you rely on the labelling?
David m
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How can you rely on the labelling?
As you have found, David, mostly, you cannot rely on it at all. Look at the so-called Galanthus nivalis that Ian featured the other week which were a mixture of G. elwesii and G. wornowii..... since then I have heard of other pots of these Galanthus, probably all from the same supplier, that have been bought all over the country, some of which not only did not contain any Galanthus nivalisthey also had, Ornithogalums, Scillas and other assorted bulbs in there! So much for the "grown on a british nursery" label!! That is just out and out mis-representation, I believe of wild collected bulbbs just potted up for a while in the UK to qualify for the labelling, but I don't know whether the mis-naming of Crocus etc is fraud, to make you buy more varieties, or just stupidity...it is certainly one or the other!
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Cant remember who told me but bulbs can be called British if they are potted up and grown on over here.
Misnaming is extremely annoying. I bought C. angustifolius from a well known English company. They bulbs are mixed and the pots now contain angustifolius and the bronze form. What's even more worrying is I managed to plant the corms on each side of the pot. I have two pots the same. Dare I seperate them out now?
I also bought two sets of biflorus ssp weldenii 'Albus'. Both are different. One with an egg yolk centre and a blue tinged petal base and one pure white with a grey base
exhibit 1
exhibit 2
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Mark you can seperate them now but keep root damage to a minimum, they will probably make smaller corms for a season but you won't kill them. The alternatives are plant 'em singly in small pots next year - tiresome and small pots dry out fast - or enjoy the mixtures!