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Title: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Mariette on March 22, 2022, 06:54:39 PM
Hi Nik, I think this is luciliae, as there isn´t much of a defined white zone in the center. This hasn´t more than 2-3 flowers, usually,
whereas forbesii syn. siehei may have many more. Also, the flower of luciliae is larger and of a more wavy form. The pic shows siehei above and luciliae below.

(https://up.picr.de/43248834kh.jpg)
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Mariette on March 22, 2022, 07:00:05 PM
Two unusual finds of Chionodoxa / Scilla sardensis.

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Other view.

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And a more double one.

(https://up.picr.de/43242557mg.jpg)

A blue tinted Scilla bifolia ´Rosea´- seedling.

(https://up.picr.de/43242566of.jpg)
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Maggi Young on March 23, 2022, 06:57:05 PM
The Scilla (Chionodoxa) National Collection is  looking good ready for the open weekend this Sat. 26th & Sunday 27th March  at Tinnisburn Nursery.

  The nursery, garden and Old Byre Cafe will all be open 10am-4pm.     https://tinnisburn.co.uk/

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Tinnisburn Nursery
Upper Millsteads
Canonbie
Dumfriesshire
DG14 0RY


 (Please note- SATNAV leads to nearby farm, not the nursery!
 https://tinnisburn.co.uk/pages/visiting-tinnisburn  )
Tel:         013873 71453

Email:     helen@tinnisburn.co.uk
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Mariette on March 23, 2022, 08:55:16 PM
Thank You for Your hint, Maggi! It would be great to visit this show!
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Nik on March 23, 2022, 09:45:26 PM
Spring is on its way here.
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Nik on March 24, 2022, 11:24:32 AM
Thank you for the ID, Mariette! They are volunteers.
The ones I just posted in bud are forbesii. I planted the bulbs last fall.
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Guff on July 19, 2022, 03:45:54 AM
My patch of Puschkinia didn't flower very well this year, but it sure is getting bigger.

Second picture is Scilla Siberica Alba, I don't think it gets enough light. Lily of the Valley is thick in that spot. It's seedling around in the grass. Collected all the seeds that I could and made another bed.

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Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Yann on September 12, 2022, 07:36:25 PM
Scilla lingulata

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Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Mariette on March 07, 2023, 04:44:35 PM
I like the way my Scilla bifolia tend to produce interesting seedlings.
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: LucS on March 07, 2023, 07:24:01 PM
A very good flowerer - Scilla decidua
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: LucS on March 07, 2023, 07:25:39 PM
Probably the best pink flower - Scilla bifolia "Chris's favourite", named after Chris Brickell
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Mariette on March 20, 2023, 06:15:00 PM
Very nice, Luc!

Scilla greilhuberi does well in my garden, even self-seeding.

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Scilla mesopotamica survived two winters without protection, I hope it will prove hardy in future years as well.

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A chance seedling, probably Scilla x allenii.

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What I once bought as Scilla bifolia fl.pl. ex Norman Stevens doesn´t really look like Scilla bifolia with its white anthers and pollen.

(https://up.picr.de/45369485fh.jpg)

Does anybody know which kind of species this is?

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Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Mariette on February 15, 2024, 09:55:57 PM
Some years ago, I buyed Scilla bifolia ´Alba´. Since last year, blue forms with white ovary are popping up in my garden. Are these Scilla bifolia or hybrids, as a friend suggested?

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Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: hannah_rh_ on February 16, 2024, 05:59:44 PM
Hello,

I am a PhD student working on the taxonomy and evolution of Hyacinthinae and currently I am specifically looking at the Scilla siberica group, or more recently classified as Othocallis.

I am wanting to know about the leafing time of species in this group, specifically if the species leaf before, with or after flowering. However, literature is thin and I don't have access to living material of all the species. Therefore, I am really hoping that people on this thread might be able to help.

The species I am interested in are:

- Scilla siberica
- Scilla cilicica
- Scilla mischtschenkoana
- Scilla mesopotamica
- Scilla siberica subsp. armena
- Scilla ingridiae
- Scilla amoena
- Scilla melaina

I really do appreciate any help you can give and always happy to chat more about my project!

Best,
Hannah
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Tomte on February 17, 2024, 08:43:07 AM
Dear Hannah,  typically armena flowers arise between very short leaves. So something between before the leaves an with them, I would say. Hope this helps!
I‘m hampered by the file size restriction of the forum software, but perhaps I’ll try to upload a typical image of armena emerging later.
BR,
Tom
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Akke on February 17, 2024, 04:55:03 PM
Hi Hannah

At the moment these are starting here (all pictures were taken today).

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Scilla bifolia ‘rosea’ growing in my neighbours container. Bifolia should be there, so either it’s gone or will be following shortly.

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Scilla armena flowering here, but some bulbs are just starting to flower.

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Scilla siberica in the park. Just a few early ones, I think it will take three or four before this field (50-75m2)  will be best.

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Scilla amoena, new this year in one of my containers. Just showed up about a week ago. No flowers to be seen yet.


Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Akke on February 17, 2024, 05:24:00 PM
A few more.

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Scilla mischtschenkoana ‘tubergeniana’.

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Scilla mischtschenkoana ‘tubergeniana’ in a container at my place and better conditions.

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Scilla mischtschenkoana, another new one.
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: hannah_rh_ on February 20, 2024, 04:42:01 PM
Thank you to those who have replied! I have found it super helpful.

I am also wanting to look at seed morphology. If anyone who grows the following species from seed (see below); I would really appreciate some photos of said seed.

- Scilla melaina
- Scilla ingridiae
- Scilla mischtschenkoana

My email is hannah.hall@pgr.reading.ac.uk, if you want to send me any photo.

Thank you in advance!

Best,
Hannah
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: ashley on February 20, 2024, 04:48:59 PM
I am wanting to know about the leafing time of species in this group, specifically if the species leaf before, with or after flowering.

The species I am interested in are:  ... Scilla cilicica ...

Hi Hannah,

S. cilicica leaves appear well before flowers, both in the garden and under glass.
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Yann on February 25, 2024, 09:49:26 PM
In the garden the battle between slugs and Scilla is unfair, hopefully in the greenhouses pots are in safe place.
Scilla morisii sown 3 years ago from mother plants started to show its nice flowers. Plants in the garden survived the cold weather we had, so more hardy than litterarure wrote.

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Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Maggi Young on February 29, 2024, 06:05:45 PM
Thank you to those who have replied! I have found it super helpful.

I am also wanting to look at seed morphology. If anyone who grows the following species from seed (see below); I would really appreciate some photos of said seed.

- Scilla melaina
- Scilla ingridiae
- Scilla mischtschenkoana

My email is hannah.hall@pgr.reading.ac.uk, if you want to send me any photo.

Thank you in advance!

Best,
Hannah

Read Hannah's report for  her Hardy Plant Society Bursary  ( https://hardy-plant.org.uk/hps-bursary-reports-for-february-2024/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter-_   KBBS-K57
Author: Hannah Hall, George Ryan, Dr Alastair Culham and Evita Kypraki University of Reading
A Cretan Odyssey: In Search of Hyacinthinae, Narcissus and Cyclamen -  here: https://hardy-plant.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Hannah-Hall-KBBS-LR.pdf

You will see that SRGC has also given grant aid to Hannah  - see these pages on the main srgc.net website to learn more about grant aid available: https://www.srgc.net/add-exploration-awards.asp  and https://www.srgc.net/add-training-awards.asp
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Yann on February 29, 2024, 06:12:48 PM
ah thanks Magi. reading for a cold and wet evening.
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Tomte on March 01, 2024, 06:52:15 AM
In the garden the battle between slugs and Scilla is unfair, hopefully in the greenhouses pots are in safe place.


It’s bad, ain‘t it? Scilla rosenii seems to be particularly appetising. Last year I had some in the garden, but the slugs ate them all down to ground level, none came back this year  >:( >:(
Suppose I have to keep the remaining seedlings I got in the pot..
Title: Re: Scilla and relatives 2022
Post by: Mariette on March 01, 2024, 07:58:37 PM
Most scillas in my garden are not of interest to slugs, it seems - it´s good to learn there are exceptions!

A pale-blue form of Scilla / Chionodoxa sardensis (?).

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For many years I grew a species which is said to come from Demirkent. It´s taller and larger than other scillas, as demonstrated by what I got as Scilla caucasica, on the left.

(https://up.picr.de/47174516hd.jpg)

Maybe Scilla winogradowii?

(https://up.picr.de/47174518eg.jpg)
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