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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Tim Harberd on January 01, 2022, 11:11:38 AM
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Happy New Year!
Here are some more Mrs Macnamara seedlings. This time crossed with Three Ships.
Tim DH
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The above clump is a collection of 'chuck outs' which seem to like it in a corner of the Allotment.
I have read somewhere that MrsM is thought to be triploid and therefor sterile. However she regularly sets good seed pods for me. Of course maybe mine isn't actually MrsM!!
The MrsM x Diggory seedling shown last month is something of a bonus cross. I bought Diggory from a commercial supplier. The plants looked so sickly that I binned them before they had even finished flowering! However I salvaged the pollen first!! I have MrsM growing all over the garden in various different environments, so she is in flower, somewhere, for a very long time!
Tim DH
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Happy New Year to all.
Today’s Snowdrops - Franz Josef and Three Ships
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The same to You and all other forumists!
Susan, I know ´Hoggets´ Narrow´, but ´Hogget´s Round´is new to me - would You mind showing a fully opened flower?
Today we enjoyed splendid weather with 16°C, the snowdrops enjoyed the sunshine, too. ´Mrs Macnamara´starting to flower with the last ´Barnes´in the background, and ´Kyre Park´to the right.
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Happy New Year!
Here are some more Mrs Macnamara seedlings. This time crossed with Three Ships.
Tim DH
A rich harvest, really!
Are there any seedlings with marks other than Mrs M ?
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Mariette - this is the best photo I can get of Hoggets Round - it doesn’t open much as we don’t get much sunshine here in Bonnie Scotland as this time of the year - only rain!!
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Thank You, Susan - Your foto is perfectly alright for me! Definitely the kind of elegant G. elwesii I prefer and one for my wish-list! The very special mark of the inners adds much to its charm. :)
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The first snowdrops in my garden :)
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Galanthus elwesii 'Dickkopf'
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Galanthus elwesii Unnamed
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Galanthus Godfrey Owen, always one of my first snowdrops to flower
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Gosh your Godfrey Owen is way ahead of mine. Do you grow it in a hothouse??
Galanthus rizehensis ‘Lady Latife’ here;
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Gosh your Godfrey Owen is way ahead of mine. Do you grow it in a hothouse??
Galanthus rizehensis ‘Lady Latife’ here;
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I grow it in an outside plunge bed, with overhead protection from the worst of the rain
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A rich harvest, really!
Are there any seedlings with marks other than Mrs M ?
Hi Mariette,
I went back to the allotment to check. See attached photo. The lower line is from another clump of seedlings from the same pod, but those ones are not in such a favourable location, so all together less substantial.
Tim DH
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Hi Tim,
thanks for taking pains to show the impressing range of different marks ! I don´t grow that many hybrids with ´Three Ships´, but three from a cross with a G. plicatus with a single mark are starting to flower and clearly show the influence of T.S. - to be seen here in a few days. :)
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"Pumpkin Beth's" great list of snowdrop events planned for this season.....
https://www.pumpkinbeth.com/2021/09/snowdrop-gardens/?fbclid=IwAR0gcMPs4_GBSKtipyV4pGBowVwmlgjGro7qYbQEaZeBDIfmO-I-IBhDVRs
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Tickets for the AGS Online Snowdrop Day lectures are now on sale: AGS members and non-members welcome
Book here: https://www.alpinegardensociety.net/shop/snowdrop-day-lectures-2022/
PROGRAMME
2pm Michael Myers – Snowdrops – October to April
3pm Jim Almond – Snowdrops at Spring Shows
4pm Vojtĕch Holubec – Snowdrops in the Wild
5pm Q&A session with our panel
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Galanthus 'Ronald Mackenzie'
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I recently got a new book, "A Passion for Snowdrops" by George Brownlee.
Rather a nice little book, covering many aspects of snowdrops from different varieties their timing in the year, the flower in art and information about galantamine.
https://www.whittlespublishing.com/A_Passion_for_Snowdrops
£15.99
978-184995-493-8
216 × 138mm
160 pages
90 illustrations (photographs, drawings paintings) colour throughout
Softback
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Just curious about these Galanthus, pictures were taken on an old churchyard, now public green. The first picture shows how close they grow together, pictures 2,3 & 4 of the individual clumps. I think picture 4 is Elwesii, I’m not sure about the other two.
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Akke, I think no 2 and 4 are G.elwesii, but no3 has so short leaves it is hard to tell. It is nice looking, I like snowdrops which have short leaves when flowering. :)
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Thanks Leena, it’s just that the colours are so different. Not being very good at photography, the pictures and colors do them justice. Who knows, they are on an old graveyard.
In my own pots Galanthus Reginae-olgae ssp vernalis is just opening up while G. Reginae-olgae is fading away, the swaying here is not as impressive as in your video, Leena but I take a few more moments to enjoy it now, thanks.
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Here is another of those MrsM X ?Diggory? seedlings which doesn't have a MrsM mark. .... So hopefully they ARE a Diggory cross.
But actually it was the Diggory outers I was interested in, and this seedling shows no sign of that! Some of the other seedlings are a bit more rounded so maybe in the next generation. .... You can live in hope!!
Tim DH
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Thanks Leena, it’s just that the colours are so different.
Well, yes. You are right that the colours are different...
Hopefully someone else knows better. :)
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Thanks Leena, maybe time will tell :), I’ll keep an eye on them. In the meantime masses of Galanthus (mostly nivalis) are waiting to pop out.
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Already booked on the snowdrop day. Very excited to watch.
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Galanthus elwesii
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Nice clumps, Herman!
This one I selected for its pale eyes.
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With ´Green Eyes´they are better defined, and the leaves are green, also.
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From 'Discover Scottish Gardens' - news of the 2022 Scottish Snowdrop Festival
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The Scottish Snowdrop Festival is now live! With events happening across the country in dozens of gardens, woodlands and estates, visitors are invited to enjoy the sheets of white flowers and collections of special varieties of mid-winter’s loveliest bloom.
The Festival runs throughout the peak of snowdrop season, from Tuesday, 25 January until Friday, 11 March and during that time visitors can discover snowdrops growing in all kinds of places, from Teasses Estate in Fife, where there will be opportunities for candlelight walks in woodlands filled with snowdrops, to 10 Pilmuir Road West in Forres where a specialist collection of more than 150 different snowdrop varieties will be on display.
Click here (https://discoverscottishgardens.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=375bb227a87de9fdbdc421950&id=57a43f44b4&e=d0b4d88086) for the full list of Snowdrop Festival Events
No matter the weather, you can experience the joys of Scotland's gardens and woodlands this winter. There is a range of incredible gardens open all year round offering quiet space to reflect, the chance to connect with nature and family, and even adventure for the thrill seekers. Whether you're looking for a day out, a romantic weekend getaway or a wonderful place for your next staycation, visit www.discoverscottishgardens.org/days-out and make a plan that is sure to offer fantastic memories for all.
As always, please plan ahead to ensure the garden/grounds are open and to check whether tickets must be booked in advance. Please also be aware of the weather forecast and how this may affect events.
Garden of the Season
Cambo Gardens - Kingsbarns, Fife
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Cambo House and Estate is one of the most exciting gardens in Scotland. It mixes high-end horticulture and atmospheric woodlands, with a busy calendar of craft fairs, moonlight walks and artistic events. Its reputation as a garden grew from the 1980s onwards when Catherine and Peter Erskine brought in pigs to clear ivy from the 70 acres of woodland and allow the snowdrops that grew there to flourish. They also built up a collection of rare and specialist snowdrops and they started selling bulbs ‘in the green’ to other snowdrop lovers. Read the full article here (https://discoverscottishgardens.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=375bb227a87de9fdbdc421950&id=44ed56719a&e=d0b4d88086).
Tickets: £6.50/Free
The gardens are open daily 10am-4pm.
Website: www.discoverscottishgardens.org/garden/cambo-gardens
Wake up to Scotland's winter wonders
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Discover Scottish Gardens hosts a number of fantastic hotels, B&Bs and self-catering providers who have beautiful gardens and grounds for you to enjoy during your visit. Whether it's moody skies, hidden secrets of the woodlands or perhaps trails of snowdrops and the quiet of winter gardens, visit our website to explore and book some of Scotland's best escapes and getaways.
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Mariette, did I understand correctly that those are your own grown snowdrops? Congratulations.
'Green Eyes' has very green leaves, quite special.
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Sorry, Leena, if I didn´t put it right: the first one is a nameless selection; ´Green Eyes´came from Anglesey Abbey.
These were actually raised in my garden and are crosses between a namless G. plicatus with a single apical mark and ´Three Ships´. The inners of all the hybrids show a mark influenced by ´Three Ships´, unfortunately not the bigger size of the latter.
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The mighty Glenorma is doing its thing again. I took a little bunch to last night’s Burns Supper where at least one of the guests thought they were artificial!
One thing I’m curious about is that I’ve never read of anyone else reporting on Glenorma’s tendency to display signs of fasciation. I’d say (year on year) about 10% of my blooms are affected to a greater or lesser extent.
Does no one else get this?
Tim DH
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A few snowdrops blooming in my garden. The relatively mild weather for the time of year is bringing them on fast.
Last flowers on Galanthus corcyrensis. The ones inthe front garden in full sun and drier soil are long gone but this patch at the back door are in shade most of the time they are above ground and beneath a large hosta in the summer.
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Galanthus 'Fred's Giant'
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Galanthus 'Fly Fishing'
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Galanthus 'Mrs Macnamara' - I must get round to moving her this year to smewhere I can see her better.. She is tucked in behind Moraea alticola against a wall in a place not easy to see.
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Roma, 'Mrs Macnamara' does very well also here though it flowers later, but still it is very cold tolerant and good snowdrop. And increases well.
Mariette, it is nice to grow snowdrops from seeds. I enjoy my seedlings even though they are open pollinated, how exciting it would be to wait new seedlings to flower when you have crossed them by hand!
The mighty Glenorma is doing its thing again.
I planted 'Glenorma' last summer, and I'm really looking forward to seeing it flowering. :)
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Mariette, it is nice to grow snowdrops from seeds. I enjoy my seedlings even though they are open pollinated, how exciting it would be to wait new seedlings to flower when you have crossed them by hand!
Yes, it´s more exciting for me to see what results from deliberate crosses, and I learn a lot about plants that way. :)
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Hi Leena,
I hope your first Glenorma flower doesn’t disappoint. With me it is a rather unsatisfactory garden plant, because of its variable flower quality. HOWEVER the good flowers are absolutely stunning, so it’s good for cutting.
Hi Mariette,
I do try to keep a record of my crosses, but I’m never quite sure if some insect didn’t beat me to it! I think this one is Bill Clark x Sandersii, first flowering this year. No sign of the Sandersii in it!!
Tim DH
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Hi Tim, usually, I do not work as meticuously as Anne Wright taught us here, but some crosses convincingly show features of both parents. For instance, a cross between a G. elwesii var. monostictus and peshmenii resulted in 75 % plants with the slender leaves of peshmenii, to my surprise.The seed was harvested from the G.e. The others show supervolute vernation, but some show the marks of a G. elwesii var elwesii, which should be impossible, as the cross was done in September, with no G.e.e. around. The same happened when I crossed an autumn-flowering G.e. var monostictus with G. reginae-olgae ´Cambridge´. Some of the seedlings look perfectly like G. e.e.
From Your pic I cannot judge if Your seedling shows the vernation of a G. plicatus - anyway, it´s different from ´Bill Clark´, and I´d be always glad to achieve another nice yellow snowdrop! :)
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G. graecus (Bulgaria), I've got 3 clones all very similar, from Edulis.
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Does anyone know what is happening about the paper describing G. graecus as an accepted species?
Back in 2017, it said in the Daffodil, snowdrop and Tulip year book, that a paper by Aaron Davis and Dimitri Zubov was in preparation at RBG Kew. But I'm not aware of it being done yet.
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G. graecus (Bulgaria), I've got 3 clones all very similar, from Edulis.
Does anyone know what is happening about the paper describing G. graecus as an accepted species?
Back in 2017, it said in the Daffodil, snowdrop and Tulip year book, that a paper by Aaron Davis and Dimitri Zubov was in preparation at RBG Kew. But I'm not aware of it being done yet.
Seems this rumbles on! https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16811.0 and also
https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8904.msg241758#msg241758
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Seems this rumbles on! https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16811.0 and also
https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8904.msg241758#msg241758
Latest news about this article: Aaron Davis is very busy and has not had the time to cooperate on it as yet, however,
I am told by Dr Zubov that there is phylogenetic proof (DNA assay) they are different, and that there 3 different clades: elwesii in S Turkey (1), graecus in N Greece and several Greek islands, Ukraine, Moldova, Bulgaria (2), and gracilis in W Turkey (3).
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Thanks for this update Maggi.
That distribution, is what I've read was the likely case. Good to know that there is now DNA evidence.
I hope the paper won't be too much longer - it will be good to read about the actual differences.
What ever, all 3 of my graecus have a wonderful fragrance.
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Galanthus plicatus 'Wendy's Gold' and Galanthus nivalis 'Galatea'
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Having started late, with Christmas drops flowering in January, I now think the season is running a bit early!
This is the last of my new seedlings. Another Bill Clark x sandersii. It put up one flower last year, and three this year! So gets a mark for vigour. Sadly its a bit short for my liking, only 8cm to the top of the flower. (The one I showed earlier is 12cm high.)
Tim DH
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Hi Leena,I hope your first Glenorma flower doesn’t disappoint. With me it is a rather unsatisfactory garden plant, because of its variable flower quality. HOWEVER the good flowers are absolutely stunning, so it’s good for cutting.
Bulb I planted wasn't very big so I'm prepared to wait a year or two to see it in full glory :) when the bulb has grown more and it has grown used to my soil and climate. Many times snowdrops from warmer climate come up earlier and are prone to frost damage in their first year, and from second year on they come up later and tolerate our climate better.
Herman, you have a very nice clump of 'Wendy's Gold, it seems to like your garden.
Tim, very nice seedling. To me it looks better than 'Bill Clark', maybe the shortness makes it look better in my eyes. :)
Here I have had trouble with 'Bill Clark'. I bought one bulb in 2013 and for many years it tried to come up too early and suffered from cold damage. Also I think I had it in too dry spot. 'Mrs Macnamara' grew right beside BC, and increased well and never suffered from cold even though it came up also early (in my experience flowering 'Mrs Macnamara' can take -10C night temperatures and still continue to flower, it is one of the best in that regard).
In summer 2020 I dug BC up ( it had increased to only three small bulbs in 7 years) and moved it to more moist and humusrich spot, and I think it was better last summer. I will see this year if it has increased and how it will flower. Right now all are under 40cm of snow.