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Title: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Gabriela on August 21, 2020, 06:59:28 PM
A lucky find which is worth showing - a large boulder covered with a nice colony of Asplenium rhizophyllum, the walking fern. This species is found only limestone or dolomite boulders in Ontario and Quebec (and more states in US).
It reproduces clonal with the elongated leaf tips acting like 'stolons' and also by spores.
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Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: cohan on August 21, 2020, 09:12:24 PM
Very cool! No boulders in my immediate area, and not many ferns.. this would be fun to re-create in the garden :)
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Gabriela on August 22, 2020, 01:09:45 PM
Thanks Cohan. This was not close to my home unfortunately. And, it is too dry in SW Ontario to try to reproduce the sight. But for those living in a bit cooler region and with more humidity is definitely something worth trying!
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: cohan on August 22, 2020, 02:30:32 PM
Certainly not dry here, this year, but next year, who knows?  lol.. I'd probably have some concerns about winter shelter, too- probably need a site with no wind exposure or something... the biggest problem here would be getting a suitable boulder ;) second would be getting the ferns/spores...lol
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Hoy on August 22, 2020, 08:02:10 PM
A lucky find which is worth showing - a large boulder covered with a nice colony of Asplenium rhizophyllum, the walking fern. This species is found only limestone or dolomite boulders in Ontario and Quebec (and more states in US).
It reproduces clonal with the elongated leaf tips acting like 'stolons' and also by spores.


A very interesting fern. Nothing like it here!

But I have very moist climate and lots of boulders around. Not limestone though :)
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Rick R. on August 22, 2020, 08:55:53 PM
I have seen this species too, on east bluff sides near the Mississippi River in southeast Minnesota.  I find them on moss covered limestone rock, too.  I remember thinking what an interesting habitat, as they never ventured off the rock substrate into surrounding soil.
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Gabriela on August 23, 2020, 08:14:19 PM
Certainly not dry here, this year, but next year, who knows?  lol.. I'd probably have some concerns about winter shelter, too- probably need a site with no wind exposure or something... the biggest problem here would be getting a suitable boulder ;) second would be getting the ferns/spores...lol

Hardiness may be a bigger problem maybe Cohan; as far as the boulders you don't need to use such a larger one. Anything smaller in size can work; you could practice with Polypodium virginianum first :) Too dry for it here as well. I still have it but is not very happy.
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Gabriela on August 23, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
A very interesting fern. Nothing like it here!

But I have very moist climate and lots of boulders around. Not limestone though :)

Yes, I think your climate is right Trond. I've read an account of the species, which is more frequently growing in US, and apparently any alkaline substrate will work. Also they say that in rare occasions was found growing on the ground (probably thin on top of rocks) and on decayed logs.

Rick - see what I answered to Trond. Here it was only growing on boulders though.
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: cohan on August 24, 2020, 07:59:49 PM
Hardiness may be a bigger problem maybe Cohan; as far as the boulders you don't need to use such a larger one. Anything smaller in size can work; you could practice with Polypodium virginianum first :) Too dry for it here as well. I still have it but is not very happy.

I wouldn't think they would 'need' the big rock, but that is the biggest part of the fun ;) I don't really have limestone (very small pieces in the mixed glacial stone around here.. of course it could be bought, but that is another issue), though when artificially grown, they might not care that much? I find many plants in the garden are much more adaptable compared to very specific niches in nature-- eg I have a couple of plants from the Dolomites happy in mixed stone (my soil is probably basic enough).
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Gabriela on August 25, 2020, 07:03:04 PM
I wouldn't think they would 'need' the big rock, but that is the biggest part of the fun ;) I don't really have limestone (very small pieces in the mixed glacial stone around here.. of course it could be bought, but that is another issue), though when artificially grown, they might not care that much? I find many plants in the garden are much more adaptable compared to very specific niches in nature-- eg I have a couple of plants from the Dolomites happy in mixed stone (my soil is probably basic enough).

Some species are more adaptable than others in the garden Cohan but in general the ones with a very strict substrate requirement don't usually fall in this category.
Saxicole fern species especially, are very hard to grow in soil or a different type of rock. This is the reason why some are growing localized, or are/become rare, just because they require a particular habitat.

Besides A. rhizophyllum and Polypodium virginianum, A. scolopendrium var. americana, A. ruta-muraria and Polystichum lonchitis are few other such examples.
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: cohan on August 26, 2020, 06:19:22 AM
Those will be the sort of plants hardest hit by climate change...little chance for them to move...
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Tristan_He on August 27, 2020, 03:32:55 PM
Those will be the sort of plants hardest hit by climate change...little chance for them to move...

Certainly specialists will tend to be hit by climate change, and many have already been hit hard by habitat destruction. On the other hand some of these ferns are pretty good dispersers via spores, and therefore seem good at 'finding' suitable habitat. Species with poor dispersal mechanisms (e.g. ant dispersed seed that rarely moves between populations) seem very vulnerable.

On a side note, it has just occurred to me that although I have seen thousands of A. ruta-muraria growing in walls around the place, I don't think I have ever seen it in the wild! Presumably it likes limestone rock crevices..?
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Hoy on August 27, 2020, 05:55:24 PM

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On a side note, it has just occurred to me that although I have seen thousands of A. ruta-muraria growing in walls around the place, I don't think I have ever seen it in the wild! Presumably it likes limestone rock crevices..?


It is common where I live both oin walls and in crevices (in limestone).

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Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Gabriela on August 29, 2020, 01:14:38 AM
Those will be the sort of plants hardest hit by climate change...little chance for them to move...

I tend to agree more with Tristan's line of thought Cohan. Species with a 'healthy' propagation via seeds/spores are/will be the least affected. Then, from what I've seen both in North America and Europe, destruction/loss of habitat due to human activity is one of the biggest threats for species conservation (which A. rhizophyllum is not anyway).
Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: Gabriela on August 29, 2020, 01:17:53 AM

On a side note, it has just occurred to me that although I have seen thousands of A. ruta-muraria growing in walls around the place, I don't think I have ever seen it in the wild! Presumably it likes limestone rock crevices..?

A. ruta-muraria can also be common in various localities of Carpathian Mts - yes, limestone crevices; including in walls of nearby houses. Here's a picture I had handy from last year.
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Title: Re: Asplenium rhizophyllum
Post by: cohan on September 16, 2020, 05:38:36 AM
I tend to agree more with Tristan's line of thought Cohan. Species with a 'healthy' propagation via seeds/spores are/will be the least affected. Then, from what I've seen both in North America and Europe, destruction/loss of habitat due to human activity is one of the biggest threats for species conservation (which A. rhizophyllum is not anyway).

Sure, if the seeds/spores easily travel they are better off, assuming there is another suitable or more suitable spot if climate change has made the old spot unsuitable, within whatever distance the spores/seeds can travel, and if all the potential habitat is not taken up with human 'development' or blocked by intervening human habitat change/destruction... fragmentation of habitat obviously makes it much harder for species to naturally move as they once would have, whether that is north or higher altitude or whatever
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