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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Tristan_He on May 12, 2020, 08:44:57 PM
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Haven't seen a thread yet this year...
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Edraianthus graminifolius
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Edraianthus montenegrinus
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Edraianthus niveus. I think putting it next to tufa was a mistake, it makes the flowers look sort of dirty. Have to raise more from seed....
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Campanula cf. bellidifolia. (got this from Vlastimil Pilous, does anyone out there know what it might be? Very pretty but slugs are very fond of it!
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Hello Tristan
Great pictures. A little remark about Edraianthus niveus. I don't think it's your tufa that makes the flowers look dirty to you. Because that's exactly what it looks like to me... but without the tufa. Maybe this species has a little variation in color?
Here's a quick photo from last year...because my plant needs some warm days to bloom.
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Hi there Leucogenes - yes I see what you mean. Previously I had grown this plant against the local slate, which is a dark grey - as you can see it looks much better than with the tufa (well I think it does).
It's interesting that your plant doesn't flower too reliably as I have had no problems in that regard, even though we don't often get any real heat in summer. We often get a dry spell around April-June though, and I grow it in very poor sandy soil.
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I think you guys are beating yourselves up unnecessarily! I've never seen E. niveus that is pure white - it always looks a bit grubby, because it is really a green/cream colour rather than pure white. I suspect photos showin "snowwhite" niveus to be altered! ( Suspicious me?? Sure!)
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Tristan that's great to grow this little jewels, they don't like my soil.
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I think you guys are beating yourselves up unnecessarily! I've never seen E. niveus that is pure white - it always looks a bit grubby, because it is really a green/cream colour rather than pure white. I suspect photos showin "snowwhite" niveus to be altered! ( Suspicious me?? Sure!)
Maggi... You confirm my earlier suspicions... thanks for that. I'm definitely not beating myself up over this... on the contrary... I like this dirty color. ;D
Edraianthus tarae is very pure. Both are beautiful and I am grateful that they grow and bloom very well with me.
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Phyteuma nigrum is very abundant on the rockery at the moment - pretty but it just tends to self seed a little more than I would like. I also have P. album and it looks as if there has been hybridisation as some of the plants are a bit paler. The bees absolutely love these at this time of year. It's hard to believe this really is in the same family as Campanula, the appearance is very different!
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Edraianthus graminifolius. This one is flowering a good three weeks later than the one I posted up thread. I should say that the one above had a labelling mishap at one stage so it's possible it's something else... then again with the taxonomy of these being so muddled I suppose it's also possible this one is something else! ???
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A bellflower from Slovenia, probably C. carnica, where it was growing in limestone cliffs. Any opinions welcome! It's like a harebell (or bluebell if you are north of the border) but flowering much earlier and with slightly larger, more open flowers. It seems to have a naturally rather trailing habit.
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Jasione montana (sheep's bit scabious). When it is happy this is a lovely thing - thanks to Ian McD for sending me seed of this. The bees and butterflies love it too - worth a place in anybody's garden.
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Campanula barbata. Some plants I planted were short-lived, but most (including this one) seem soundly perennial. It likes well-drained rather dry soil and seeds around modestly. I can never totally make up my mind whether the colours on this one are 'refined' or 'wishy-washy' - I think it depends on the light! It definitely shows up better against a dark background.
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Campanula label lost from Aberconwy Nursery (I have emailed Tim to see if he knows the name). This beautiful little thing is really dwarf. I am afraid I have sorely mistreated it, but after fighting its way through a patch of Androsace 'Susan Joan', this year it has finally got big enough to make an impact (the drought probably helped too). I'm pretty sure it's a hybrid. Does anyone recognise it?
Update: this is C. 'Timsbury Chimes' - a selection from C. rotundifolia subsp. arctica 'Mt Jotunheim' (it says here). Well worth seeking out.
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Campanula spicata. This pretty biennial with unusual upward facing flowers is too rarely seen in gardens in my opinion. This is from seed collected the first time we visited Slovenia some years ago and the plants seed around gently including on top of our wall in very harsh conditions.
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Finally a flower of Cyananthus farreri, which I obtained this spring from Aberconwy just before lockdown. So far the individual flowers are more impressive than the overall effect, but hopefully the plant will make a more impressive show as it grows.
Also my C. lobatus has been in flower for a couple of weeks already! Has anybody else noticed this? Usually this plant doesn't flower until the end of July - August.
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Tristan, you certainly grow many nice bellflowers!
Jasione montana is native here. It is very drought tolerant. Each plant is short lived but it pops up here and there in dry sites. (Here with raspberry leaves.)
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Regarding Campanula barbata, it is my experience also that some specimens are shortlived while others are more perennial. But no plants here is that light blue!
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Thank you Trond! I don't exactly collect them, but it is a group that I am very fond of and they seem to do well here, by and large. Exactly why is a mystery to me because round here we have wet winters, cool summers, acid soil and slugs the size of sheep! But the soil is very well drained and fairly poor, which probably suits them.
Jasione montana is native here too, but rarely grown in gardens. Which is a shame. I see the small copper butterfly is enjoying yours.
Re C. barbata - this form originates from Switzerland, and all mine are this pale blue colour. I think I like your form better. I wonder if there is a white form?
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Codonopsis clematidea often masquerades as other species in the seed lists. I had a few attempts before I got the true Codonopsis ovata which I think has a much prettier flower.
Codonopsis clematidea
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Codonopsis ovata
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Campanula thyrsoides which is aiming to be another of the 'weeds' in my garden where I leave far too many seedlings.
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Posted the wrong clematidea pictures. That was a nearly white one. This is the normal form with stronger markings.
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Roma, wonderful pictures!. Is the pink flower on the right side of C.thyrsoides a Gladiolus species?. Your C.thyrsoides would remind me to a whitish foxglove from a distance. Your picture has changed my mind about it. Now I want to give it a try in combination with Digitalis and some other spiring flowers. My next question mark is Codonopsis a trailing plant here. Do you grow it as part of a border and let it mingle freely?. I'm very partial to all Campanulaceae , although I'm very new to their collection yet. Thank you for posting these.
Arturo
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Campanula latifolia 'Hidcote Amethyst'
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Campanula moessiaca
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A darker campanula, could be a cross of C. moessiaca with C. glomerata, or just a darker C. moessiaca
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I like your C. thyrsoides Roma, but it's a lot taller than I thought based on photos from the wild. Is it always like that? I haven't grown this one to flowering yet but have some strong looking seedlings coming on from the last seed exchange.
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Roma, wonderful pictures!. Is the pink flower on the right side of C.thyrsoides a Gladiolus species?. Your C.thyrsoides would remind me to a whitish foxglove from a distance. Your picture has changed my mind about it. Now I want to give it a try in combination with Digitalis and some other spiring flowers. My next question mark is Codonopsis a trailing plant here. Do you grow it as part of a border and let it mingle freely?. I'm very partial to all Campanulaceae , although I'm very new to their collection yet. Thank you for posting these.
Arturo
Thank you, Arturo. The plant next to the Campanula thyrsoides is Gladiolus communis which has spread over the garden but does not become a nuisance. The Codonopsis do tend to sprawl. The clematidea is growing in a border which is very weedy and it leans on the grass. I meant to dead head it when I planted it but don't always remember in time so it is spreading. It has a tap root so is not easy to get rid of if you let it get big. The C.ovata is a more delicate plant. I only have the one planted out but have a few in small pots where it has self sown in the frame.
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Tristan, I got the Campanula thyrsoides carniolica, wild collected seed from the SRGC 2010-2011 seed exchange. It was sown in January 2011. The potted seedlings never got planted out and flowered in the open frame in 2013. They did not grow very tall. I did not think any seed had been set till I saw seedlings appear in neighbouring pots the following year. I think some flower as biennials and some take another year. I think the height varies with nutrition and water supply. The one I photographed is 30 cm. high. Two on the raised bed last year with very good drainage and not much rain were much smaller. There are two in the frame where seedlings and bought plants linger till I get round to planting them. They are quite big because they get watered when it doesn't rain. I notice lots of small seedlings there so must remove them before the overwhelm the rightful occupants of the pots.
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A Campanula I got many years ago as Molly Pinsent. It grew well in the rock garden and it took remarkably long before the slugs discovered it. Two years ago I salvaged what was left and planted it in a trough (shallow, round glazed pot) where it has made good comeback.
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A message from dear Erich Pasche about this Campanula ....
"Dear Plantfriends,
In February 2010 I received seeds - supposed to be Campanula 'sosnowskyi' from the NARGS, which obviously represents an other species. It developed leaves every year but flowered for the first time this year. It is about 40 cm high and flowered profusely. It was collected in Georgia, but according to "The Caucasus and its Flowers" it cannot be this species. So far I was unable to find out which species it really is. Perhaps somebody has an idea about the plant shown on the pictures, and I would be very grateful for any advice you can give.
Best wishes and have a nice summer,
Erich"
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photos are from the 26th and 30th June
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A message from dear Erich Pasche about this Campanula ....
"Dear Plantfriends,
In February 2010 I received seeds - supposed to be Campanula 'sosnowskyi' from the NARGS, which obviously represents an other species. It developed leaves every year but flowered for the first time this year. It is about 40 cm high and flowered profusely. It was collected in Georgia, but according to "The Caucasus and its Flowers" it cannot be this species. So far I was unable to find out which species it really is. Perhaps somebody has an idea about the plant shown on the pictures, and I would be very grateful for any advice you can give.
Best wishes and have a nice summer,
Erich"
I wonder if this may be Campanula sarmatica? But should the foliage be more grey and pubescent?
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This is what I grew as C. sarmatica for several years, and the flowers in Erich's pictures certainly remind me of it. The leaves on our plants were indeed a greyish green and 'felty', but the shape quite similar to Erich's plant.
Please give my best wishes to Erich, Maggi.
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From my comparisons with pictures from the Russian site for C.sarmatica, photos look very much like the pictures you have posted:
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https://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/113141.html (https://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/113141.html)
https://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/428130.html (https://www.plantarium.ru/page/image/id/428130.html)
A very valuable contribution! Sergey Banketov offers it in his current seed list!
Arturo
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Thank you Knud and Arturo for your input. I also asked Vojtech Holubec about the plant and he too thinks it is a form of C. sarmatica.
I'll be letting Erich know the conclusions we've come to here - and will of course pass on your good wishes to this good friend of SRGC.
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Just in, this reply to my query to Graham Nicholls- a man who has forgotten more about Campanulas than most of us knew was possible!
Graham writes : " I have been through several books including 'Ornamental Plants from Russia and adjacent states' and I keep coming back to your initial ID C. sarmatica. If the flowers were white I would have said C. dolomitica or C. alliariifolia. The leaves seem to be quite large just like C. dolomitica though. Googleing C. sosnowskyi and checking it in 'The Caucasus and its flowers' the plant in the photo cannot be it. So.... C. sarmatica does seem to be the answer but nothing like seeing it in real life to ID it properly. Hope that's some help. "
Thanks, Graham!
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Does anyone have any idea which Campanula this is? The flowers are very small (about 1 cm) and have a striking pink stripe.
Thanks
Thomas
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This looks like a form of Campanula cashmeriana.
Gerd
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If it's that small it could be Campanula lourica.
I grew a white form a few years ago http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=207.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=207.0)
cheers
fermi
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I have a similar Campanula seeding around in my greenhouse. I think I got it many years ago as aff. cashmeriana. I decided, according to Graham Nicholls' book it was probably Campanula samarkandensis. I find it behaves like a lot of Violas and produces lots of apomictic seed.
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Thank you for your efforts Gerd and Fermi...
I think I found the right name...Campanula cashmeriana var. alba...I found a photo near Pavelka of which the seeds probably were. Indian Himalayas, 3300 meters.
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Cyananthus integer x sherriffii - from Jack Drake's nursery a very long time ago.
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This is from the 2013 seed exchange, listed as Campanula versicolor.
I have just read about C versicolor - its leaves are used as a winter salad. From one website: A delicious mild flavour with a slight sweetness that reminds people of freshly-picked garden peas - they can be added in quantity to salads and are usually available in winter
Well! No one would want to eat my plants. Prickly stems, prickly leaves. Even the deer won't eat it.
So it is obviously not C. versicolor but what is it?
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I don’t know what it is, but what a brilliant colour!
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Well, Carolyn, I wish it really was so blue. My iPad improved the lavender colour for me.
I've searched my three campanula books and the internet.
I think maybe it could be Campanula primulifolia. The flowers look similar. Lewis and Lynch's book says the stems are "hispid", which means "bristly". Tomorrow I will go out to see if the plant matches the rest of the description.
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Campanula cashmeriana is still flowering. It seeds into other pots in the greenhouse. This one sharing a pot with Polygala calcarata is doing much better than the one I put into its own pot. Maybe it prefers to have company.
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